Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Iecerint]

Also, Katsuki's Miller is tacked on similar to Ceph's. Like, no flavor connection there either.

[Wisdom]

I'm at Tier/Grey/{Reck/Ceph/Tbone} right now

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.35

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

TierShift (4): shos, Cephrir, xRECKONERx, Wisdom
Iecerint (2): T-Bone, notscience
T-Bone (2): TierShift, Iecerint
shos (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (0):

V/LA: TierShift (May 9th)

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	-9
GreyICE	-	-6
Iecerint	-	-7
notscience	-	-2
shos	-	-5
T-Bone	-	-8
TierShift	-	-3
Wisdom	-	-4
xRECKONERx	-	-1

[Iecerint]

GreyICE's flavor makes the least sense.

Relevant because I could see Grey tweaking the claim relative to his role.

[Cephrir]

GreyICE's flavor makes the least sense.

It makes sense to me.

[Cephrir]

Checked my role PM for flavor reasons for being a miller; didn't find any.

[shos]

You getting a day message isn't relevant to your role.

For example, if Wisdom sent me a message and I knew that someone had sent me something, I wouldn't say "that had relevance to my role."

You said this D3.

My role states that. was I not clear. Jesus. (<<<said the jew, btw, shows you my wtfness right now)

Iece, I honestly think by now that you're just repeating a thousand questions in different forms and contexts to get me confused and prey on it. you're half-bussing a partner but work really hard to getting a different, new town wagon to rise.

Wisdom, explain to me the Tiershift vote? also has he claimed? I don't remember by now?...because I remember when reading up that the first three votes were basically reasonless, and they all looked very random to me, especially while he's in V/LA.

The fact that Iece is voting T-bone and not Grey

*proves*

to me that he is scum. I am like 100% sure of that right now.
if Iece was town, he would

know

that there exist a *TOWN* tracker, cop, AND doc. with this, voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

Iece.
Explain to me your T-bone vote.
like, I know why one objectively may think he is scum(obviously), but explain to me how you're voting him over GreyICE?


pedit: ohay ceph is here!

[shos]

eh, that quote was not supposed to be there, it was supposed to be 4116

[Cephrir]

no one is even voting you, shos. so i don't think that's a fair characterization of what iec is doing right now. there are reasonable issues with your claim, that is objectively true. in most games i would be lynching you right now, but fucking everyone is fucking up their claims, so

[Cephrir]

voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

what

[Iecerint]

Someone lurks through the night and can't use their night action, so he knows whether they had one?

Pedit @Shos -- Your explanation was not very articulate to be frank, but Wisdom's gloss made more sense.

Grey was like my ONLY TOWNREAD (and ns by association) as of 24 hours ago. I am kind of getting wishy washier. I thought Grey was town because when I read LLD and then him in iso earlier today I thought they were town. Like, there's clear continuity, in Grey's case there was appropriate frustration and feeling pressured to claim, he had impressions about the game that generally made sense to me, etc.

Compare T-Bone, for whom none of those things are true.

Roleblocker as scum can counter information just as viably as 1 fewer crappy investigative roles counters it.

When I voted T-Bone I hadn't even remembered Bins's flip yet, though.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, explain to me the Tiershift vote? also has he claimed? I don't remember by now?...because I remember when reading up that the first three votes were basically reasonless, and they all looked very random to me, especially while he's in V/LA

Read his claim and my conversation with him and ask me again

[Cephrir]

Someone lurks through the night and can't use their night action, so he knows whether they had one?

yep

[Wisdom]

if Iece was town, he would know that there exist a *TOWN* tracker, cop, AND doc. with this, voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

No because scum-rb also makes sense with there being town cop+doc+tracker. You said it yourself that there's no "follow the cop" in Team Mafia.

[Iecerint]

I am the opposite of Wisdom. I have read inertia, AND the degree of "read sharpness" is always kinda low/hazy. He has read sharpness, but very low read inertia.

Pedit I still don't really understand. I mean vaguely maybe the mod has night go longer until he player is replaced, but the connection isn't as obvious as the others.

[shos]

oh my god this game is so confusing

unvote

can we also have someone unvote from tier until I make sense out of it

[shos]

I'll make order.

[Wisdom]

sure

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

I am the opposite of Wisdom. I have read inertia, AND the degree of "read sharpness" is always kinda low/hazy. He has read sharpness, but very low read inertia.

Pedit I still don't really understand. I mean vaguely maybe the mod has night go longer until he player is replaced, but the connection isn't as obvious as the others.

It took me about as long to figure out as shos' flavor. If X player doesn't log onto the site all night, he can't use his night action. I guess it doesn't line up quite as nicely.

[Iecerint]

But that's not really a mod error.

I mean, I doubt the game is breakable on something so dumb, so not sure why I keep posting about it, but it bugs me slightly.

[Cephrir]

You could argue that failing to replace that player is poor modding.

[Wisdom]

Doesn't replace the lurkers before night ends clearly indicates a slot who is about to not send a night action in and the mod does nothing about it.

It is somewhat relevant to grey's role in that he finds whether they can use a night action. I think it would make more sense if he checked whether they used a night action that night rather than in general, though.

It's right that it's the one that fits the least.

[Cephrir]

If, hypothetically, we actually caught scum with flavor, I don't know how my brain chemistry would react to the mixed feelings.

[Iecerint]

PLAYER ERROR MAFIA.

[Wisdom]

Do you guys think Tbone vs Grey could be scumtheatre? I'll go read it again.