Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Plum]

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

It's the opposite of what you said, Yukari - Hydrangea defending Frogmollie increases odds of Hydrangea-scum if Frogmollie is Town, not if they're scum.

see, I don't think scum!hydraflower is a particular wonderful premise to operate from when we flip town. cld you unpack your reasons for me as to why this might be the case?

Oh, it's not a premise so much as an illustration to Yukari re his doling out scumpoints, of the fact that I don't think the very fact of Hydrangea's defending you is much of a scumtell if you're scum, and in fact is perhaps less so than if you flip Town (i.e. scum in Hydrangea's position are more likely to defend than attack a Townie in a position like yours). Not that it's a strong scumtell itself. I would not, if you flipped Town, go straight from that to Hydrangea scum, but I would scrutinize her behavior and defense towards you, because it would be pretty relevant.

this is weird cos you have given andy a pass but are looking at bella? also cld you plz elaborate on what that "something" means?

If you mean gave Andrius a pass by mentioning stuff that made me think his replace out was probably null? Mostly null? I'm happy to scrutinize the slot, but I don't think anyone's read is improved by not having the information I put forth when speculating whether the replace-out from Andrius was "weird" or scummy or whatever.

But especially in light of what Grib pointed out, which I agree with, I'm definitely interested in pursuing ZZZX.

VOTE: ZZZX

[ZZZX]

But especially in light of what Grib pointed out, which I agree with, I'm definitely interested in pursuing ZZZX.

VOTE: ZZZX

The only thing he pointed out was me and X not scum together and PoE.. how does that push you to vote me tho is beyound my understanding.
VOTE: Plum they call dis da great omgus. I wana see you talk w/me about dis so I can dissect you soul uh I mean you true allignment.

[ZZZX]

you can say that for hte last 2 days my activity here dropped to dangerous levels but that was because I am in a big number of games right now,(Disclaimer: Talking about number of ingoing games is legal. Talking anything beyound that is not)

Sometimes int he week I might just lurk here for a day or two.

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[Bellaphant]

Oh right, the Bookitty wagon. It topped for a little bit, but then the MS wagon was pushed harder.

*snip*

Bookitty may have been a scum counterwagon, since I think mollie is town and MS is townfirmed. The wagon on Bookitty was all town, and then ZZZX and Yukari popped in for a bit.

Does this make you more suspicious of the last two? Also, the jump on of hydra/plum makes me concerned.

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

And just because a couple of people have mentioned this, Andrius mentioned to me before the game even filled, in response to me saying something about my prior hiatus, that he didn't know how long he himself would be on the site, so I wasn't surprised when he replaced out. Could it have been influenced by his alignment? Possibly, probably had more to do with stuff unrelated to that, so &c.

One thing that strikes me looking back is the Day 1 Bookitty wagon. As it forms, even at four players {Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination} I don't think the unflipped there are scum and the flipped are both Town. This was when Bookitty was away V/LA. Still. So I was looking at the Bookitty wagon. Don't really trust Bellaphant via that. Started typing out what was wrong with her trajectory re Bookitty, but now I'm not sure at all. It's weird. Whatever. Basically the whole Bookitty wagon looks like it was Town-driven and either entirely or almost entirely (?) Town. Doesn't make Bookitty scum. But in light of the MS flip and the nature of competing wagons, it means something. Although to refocus on Bellaphant, her unvote and revote on MS seems a little bit sketchy to me. We never see what she processes of the info, which is why she unvotes in the first place . . . eh.

Sorry, I'm not following this: what have I got to do with Boo? I never voted that slot...Also, I unvoted, thought about the claim, realised it didn't change much, and the stuff about being mod-confirmed seemed like a gambit. I did explain that.

Based on Grib's view of how Yukari/Frogmollie Night stuff played out, at this point I think a Frogmollie lynch would be fine pending any exciting new revelations from Yukari's slot. Bookitty also looks like a good choice just based on wagons from Day 1, but I'll reread her regardless. The other under-the-radar players in due time.

Why is a mollie lynch good? Also, why Boo?

*snip*

I think boo is a terrible lynch at the mo unless you want to argue with me about the nature of her waffling.

and I really don't understand why you do not want to sort the under the radar players right now when there are actual town willing to play the game and not go into /apathetic mode.

pressure and questions to the lurkers are a beautiful thing. it gets them back into the game which is what i want.

I keep bringing up zzthing and somehow I can't seem to get any1 who shld be looking at him to talk about him.

This post from froggingmollie was good.
My initial read on letters was scummy, and maybe the yuk/frog/ms/wni nonsense distracted me from this day 1. I'm happy to

VOTE: zzzx
p-edit, zzxxx's posting did nothing to reassure me about that slot.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 2.5

ZZZX (5)

- Frogging Mollie, Grib, Hydrangea, Plum, Bellaphant

[L-1]

dragonspawn (1)

- ika

Plum (1)

- ZZZX

Yukari (1)

- Yukari
Bookitty -
Bellaphant -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Tere -


Not Voting (3): Bookitty, dragonspawn, Tere

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-13 19:30:19), or June 13th, 6:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: Yukari

**Mafia having daychat or not is not public information.**

[Tere]

Ok so I have read up and spreadsheeted and shit and quite frankly I am exhausted, I am going to drink some wine, go to bed and have fresh eyes on it tomorrow.

You can have soul reads tonight.

Town bloc not lynching ever: ika, grib, Tere

Pretty sure like 95% is town bloc too but we need to interact because I don't know if the not town read of me is hangover from elusive (but they seemed to be reading elusive as town even when fighting), town paranoia or something else. Also I'd like Frogger to talk too!: Frogging Mollie

Stronger town lean: Bookitty, Hydrangea

Probably terrible town, outside chance of scum or SK: Yukari. Sorry Yukari but your play was horrible if town. Thanks for replacing out that's the most town orientated thing you could have done to redeem that slot if town. I suggest you talk to the mods in the newbie queue about the best way to get you back to matrix 6 as that's clearly where you want to be. Please don't troll other peeps games, it's not fun. Even if not on the same team you don't get the same feeling of achievement if people are throwing their wincon.

Leaning scum but probably not on same team as Plumscum: Bella

Probable scumpool: ZZZX, Dragonspawn

Scummy as fuck lynch this: Plum

This is where my head is at right now. I'm gonna check email and other games because I've spent most of the day on this and then mebbe hang out and drunk Tere briefly.

[Tere]

OK Plumscum and Z are not on the same team and Bella is sheeping Plumscum. Switching Bella and Z.


I would much appreciate it if everyone who is town who doesn't want a flashwagon gets the hell off the Z wagon.

[ZZZX]

p-edit, zzxxx's posting did nothing to reassure me about that slot.

Because being logical and making a case on me is too hard votes just come.

Just like that large 3 months back. lmao
I remeber clearly how scum just pushed for a wagon with no explaintion on me and town bit it pretty easily.

[Tere]

Seriously guys, that's L-1. What's the rush?

I don't even like ZZZX's ISO that much (although his insistence MS was town gave me some townvibes) but I hate that flashwagon even more. :/

[ZZZX]

Seriously guys, that's L-1. What's the rush?

Best part is that noone even announced the l1, Scum/ignorent town can just quick hammer me without anyone going after them. pretty much.. And its not the first time I saw it happen.

People attacking me are basically People who i scum read and/or People who just did it without any explination or people just using poe as an excuse without showing how it ended up like that "cus magic"

[Tere]

Vote Count 2.3

Frogging Mollie (1)

- Yukari

Bookitty (1)

- elusive
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
Yukari -
ZZZX -

Not Voting (9): Bellaphant, Bookitty, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Grib, Hydrangea, ika, Plum, ZZZX

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-13 19:30:19), or June 13th, 6:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

12 days to deadline peeps. Take a chill pill or something. Let's do some actual sorting, yeah?

[ZZZX]

zzthing - I think is abandoning me to die which is the best case that I have ever come up with in my mafia career.

Its more of a believe in sonic's words

[ZZZX]

Anyway Fuck sleeping I wanted to sleep but I feel the flash hammer coming, I will give out my reads and then do your shit if u feel like the hammer. But I know at least 2 of the people of this playlist have some hidden love for flash hammers.

[ZZZX]

Actually fuck this I am not staying up anymore later.

If i get hammred before I wake up tomorrow flashwagon the fuck out of whoever hammers. Otherwise grib dies. /hyd is nullish/mollie is null for me/bella is leaning scum.

[Tere]

No cmon, Z - you can do better than that. Give some reads.

[Grib]

Oh, and my reads according to the MS wagon: strong town, townlean, null leaning scum x2, townlean, null leaning scum, null!Vig.

So. Say, three scum: two on, one off. Not accounting for any Third Parties.

grib

in this order of analysis do you realize you have us as null leaning scum? when in 1346 you had us as town?

cld you walk me through your vca?

I have you as a townlean. The null-leaning-scum x2 refers to Bookitty and dragonspawn. Hence the x2.

[ZZZX]

No cmon, Z - you can do better than that. Give some reads.

Fine, Ill dely my sleep until I can get at least some basic level reads in.

[Grib]

You have got to be kidding me.

UNVOTE:

[Tere]

I think two scum just outed themselves personally.

[Grib]

@Bella: yes.

Also ZZZX is town so I'm coming for you.

VOTE: Bellaphant

fake edit: go on, Tere.

[Grib]

If you're talking about ZZZX, we may be interpreting his posts differently.

[Grib]

Actually, I'm probably wrong.

UNVOTE:

Actually fuck this I am not staying up anymore later.

If i get hammred before I wake up tomorrow flashwagon the fuck out of whoever hammers.

Otherwise grib dies.

/hyd is nullish/mollie is null for me/bella is leaning scum.

What does this mean?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

A lot has just happened. But, Tere, I'm not 'sheeping' plum. Don't make stuff up.

[ZZZX]

Scum
Bellaphant << Extreme Gut scum read, also putting someone at l1 without announcing it is something scum does way too often from my personal experiance
Bookitty << scum for reasons I already explainedbefore including how engaged town kitty was.
Yukari << I feel he might eb twon but didnt like most of his posts since long ago
Grib << Just another guy pushing me for "poe" without even going how he got it..
Frogging Mollie << DIdnt like early attacks on sonic. I foudn it as if trying to get rid of future dangers (since sonic reads mollie decently i believe)
Hydrangea << null, Must read
dragonspawn << liked singer's posts mostly. Cant think of much about thsi guy yet. Needs more reading
elusive (tere now) is town. I had a slight town read on elusive and I find teres posts pretty much with good intentions. This is town
ika << I think that is town ika. Didnt see much of ika's scum game but I believe he is too carefree for scum
ZZZX
Town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=55485 << read this if u still think im scum

p-edit: I hated the post you did to push me to l2 for no reason. And if u asked me who would i want to get lynched at that stage if I didnt skim the thread that'd be you. But well after skiming it appears you are more null/towny that my initial thoughts anyway.

pp-edit: Not buying that post bella. totally not buying it. VOTE: Bella

Anyway I can finally sleep in peace..

[Grib]

That

doesn't clarify anything.