Tere: It's nice to hear that you think I'm competent, but I don't see how that's relevant. I can give you a readslist if you want. I guess I come from an era and/or mindset that doesn't value readslists as such. Having reads, yes. Presenting a whole list just because? Kinda meh. But it's a fair thing to ask, and ye shall receive to the best of my ability.
TOWN
{Grib, ika, Tere}
These are the Town people. Part of me wants to say 'any questions?' and part of me wants to be a try-hard so when all is said and done Tere's expectations of me are realistic, whichever direction that shift will be.
Grib's analysis of the MS situation all the way through was honest as fuck, the whole game he's been that way. Everything he did there is something I can 100% relate to the thought and action process. Basically no question in my mind.
ika is Town. If you want me to point to one thing, everything related to the Neighborhood &c., including the early interactions with MS. Anyway. Sane, logical, useful throughout.
Tere/Elusive is Town. At this point I don't even know whether I can say anymore about why the pretty obvTown players are. I'm sorry. I'm pretty firm on all of them.
{Cho, Frogmollie, ZZZX}
This is the part where I feel bad and I say straight out that it'll be so hard to ever convince me to go after Cho because of Yukari's attempted trust tell. I feel awful because it's borderline cheating but I'm not sure if the site rules extend as far as this particular case? Like by the end of Day 1 I was like, maybe Yukari's a Vig, or maybe they're a, you know, real investigative powerrole, or maybe they're none of the freaking above. They are playing everything like a crazy person, and most of it in the way where crazy means not much makes traditional sense. Besides that bloody trust tell. I trust it, amid the swirling sandstorm of Yukari's play, this is something I have little doubt about working with. Also seriously someone should look into Yukari's use of it post game or something. Cho's actually been fine, too, so nothing there has made me doubt that.
I wouldn't expect Frogmollie to lay themselves on the line by pushing a Frogmollie/Yukari 1v1 today if she were scum, given that many people seem okay on the Cho/Yukari slot and not that many people want to drive it as a true 1v1. I might not expect Frogmollie to pursue MS the way they did Day 1 as scum, but somewhat less conviction on this part of it; extreme vocal pushes by scum on Town Day 1 are not unheard of, after all, but still. This is supplemented by reads e.g. Grib and Tere are holding, which I trust and inform this to some extent. At one point today I was willing to seriously consider lynching them, but that was based on trusting Grib's reading of the Yukari/Frogmollie situation. And I think I'd lynch them over Cho if it were a 1v1 choice.
Re ZZZX, Fuck me for rereading and talking myself around on this one, partly because Bookitty wagon speculah >> who wasn't on MS at the end of Day 1 speculah. Partly because, and here we can kill one bird with two stones, a lot of how he was playing Day 1 makes sense. Fits together. Trajectory if you want to use that term. Maybe I'm bad. I'm sorry. I'll apologize for not meeting the competency standards of whoever.
{Hydrangea, dragonspawn, Bellaphant}
Have these players done anything? I don't bleeping think so. But it's like some sort of hellish carnival ride. All things considered, realistically it's unlikely that they're
all
scum, despite the fact that they seem virtually interchangeable in this game! It's fucking bizarre. Coasting? You want to see coasting? I give you these three. Coasting everywhere. Amazing. I'm like trying, in my head, to mentally rank them just so I can say well one is maybe slightly more likely to be scum. And you know what? I just can't. And every time I try there's that stupid part of me in the back of my head saying 'Plum, but the other two also basically did X? It's all ambiguous! It doesn't matter! The game is just populated with this nonsense and you couldn't actually push any of the three indiscriminately anyway! Somewhere in here you're engaging in confirmation bias and you know it! Some of them are nearly Newbies anyway!' That part of me is demoralizing as all hell and you know what, fuck it.
Hydrangea, like I remember very well her start which was like the blandest readslist (so useful!) that mirrored effective consensus and didn't say anything on page like 5 or something. And it just never got better. It got worse. It got dumb. Basically appeared to keep that super early super light readslist in STATIC for much of Day 1, fussing around with this or that flake of irrelevancy and then this gem,
Post 711, in which, after some prompting from ika, Hydrangea concedes that MS is scummy, noting that he was her 'second scum read', and skipping down the list there shifts her vote to MS. Just weird. Never a real consideration of how one as scum impacts a read on the other &c. &c. when for a long time MS vs. Yukari was positioned by both parties as a 1v1! It's like she made one set of reads that was acceptable at the beginning of the game and bases everything afterward almost solely on that (with a token 'I can understand Mollie's proposition about scum-MS clearly now)! Arghhhhh. And then follows up with this gem:
↑ Hydrangea wrote:also Ika if MS flips town are you willing or inclined to consider Mollie as possible scum? cause I think that is a very viable option. I ask because you seem to be hard reading Mollie as town.
Oh my god you just went from 'I understand Mollie's argument and MS was my second scum read and Yukari's not getting lynched so here we go' to 'let's lynch Mollie if MS is Town' which, seriously, until that point Hydrangea had said the following about Frogmollie:
- Lean Town on Frogmollie
- Frogmollie you say I'm hard to read because Newbish, how can I help you get a read on me
- I disagree with some of Mollie's argument for MS scum
- I now more agree with Mollie's argument for MS scum
So that's out of left field isn't it.
Bellaphant, well, I wish Andrius could have stayed in because him I could probably get something out of, but really who cares. Her take on the MS wagon shortly before the claim seemed similar to mine, but it was summationy rather than thought-processy, so I don't really feel like there's much I can read from that. Maybe that's my problem and I've shifted into summation mode somehow. Nothing here makes me feel like Bellaphant is really Town. It's kinda meh. But in retrospect her content has been slightly stronger than I remembered, but it doesn't really do much for me.
Dragonspawn I'm grateful you asked because I have no read at all, actually, outside of 'this player hasn't done anything has he'. The MS vote is weird and in its way almost feel deliberately contentless, so it's just made hard to contextualize.
↑ dragonspawn wrote:Bella - definitly didn't like bella pushing zzzx to L1 so quickly. I also had a ping day 1 when she sheeped my vote and reasoning for voting sonic day one. I had just entered the game and it looks like she was voting him earlier but backed off. It just didn't feel right.
Huh, how about that? How weird. Good thing to note, I think.
↑ dragonspawn wrote:@plumYou asked which votes to zzzx seemed opportunistic. I'm not sure that's the right word. Off seems better to me. I'm trying to quantify it but the votes from hydra, you, and bella just feels more off than anything.
Huh again, this reads not scummy.
If I had to, I guess from Towniest to scummiest it would be dragonspawn, Bellaphant, Hydrangea.
{Bookitty}
Is it dumb to say many scumpoints on basis literally of having been the right wagon Day 1? Maybe. But it's not like there's nothing in that. And Bookitty is also skating hard. Except arguably that readslist she just posted? Preemptively giving one before Tere asks for one? And multiple players called her out Day 1 for playing more to her scum meta. I can't be certain how relevant it is, but they both had basically the same take on it. And the Yukari vote was for something so obviously Yukari, calling people out for prods when they were V/LA, totally annoying, I get it, but you think that was really some sort of calculated move on their part? And then there's sort of the clusterfuck of 'MS is scummish but not completely and I'll lean scum on him after a few paragraphs of musing either way/due to Ori claim I'd rather be lynched than MS/the idea that if MS flips Town we should go after Mollie is dumb/Mollie is so Town I'd definitely lynch MS over her, vote MS' - Day 2 dawns - 'I really thought MS would flip scum, Mollie hasn't posted yet, vote Mollie/I didn't realize Day had only started less than 24 hours ago, unvote'.
I just think Boo is the best lynch here and that's it.
SCUM
Anyway, I thought today we'd dawn and that with information I could help drive things positively. Didn't happen. Information state is bizarre and confused. Demoralizing.
I believe Bookitty lynch is best lynch here. Hydrangea
narrowly
slightly less narrowly than I thought before some rereading, as per above, captures the coveted #2 slot. Thank you Tere. One way or another you did help.
