Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Zoronos]

Caught back up.
Bulbazoor's post by post's at Woody are very scummy - he's attacking a lot of non-alignment indicating stuff. (It's hard to tell when he doesn't use post links but just uses numbers. [post ] 16 [ /post] will give you auto-links.) Also his state of the game catchup. Would vote him but I'm busy voting Absta. He was ratcheting up the pressure on Woody but was doing so by attacking non-alignment indicating posts, while simultaneously throwing shade on the person who started the Woody train. That seems to me like scum ready to mislynch then blame the initial train pusher for the flip.

I asked Vinkah a question, but I will repeat it since I am going to assume he missed it: Way back pages ago he (Vinkah) had posed a question to Haschel, but he never bothered to follow up. I want to know what Vinkah thinks as a result of that question.

[Zoronos]

Ugh, that came out like nonsense. What is wrong with me. Going to rephrase my Bulbazoor read so it makes more sense.

[Bulbazoor]

So I have a question. What do you make of bbt and his arguments against woodpecker?

[Zoronos]

Working on a clearer explanation of my thoughts, but that's a quick answer - I don't think BBT's case on Woody holds a lot of water. How someone reads a game is not alignment indicating, imo. Woody didn't post between the time the Herschel wagon started and when he voted Hershel so I can totally see him just not noticing that it had started and gathered steam.
My read on BBT himself is a slight-town lean. It seems like he is trying to get reads on most of the playerbase.

[Bulbazoor]

Who are your scumreads? Me, woody, and ?

[Bulbazoor]

If you were woody how would you selfevaluate? No bias please.

[Keyser Söze]

Did Vinkah just beetlejuice?

He may have just been online at the right place at the right time




I will be going through my reads soon.

[Zoronos]

Who are your scumreads? Me, woody, and ?

I feel like you're not even bothering to read what I post. But I guess my post above was a tad unclear, so I will repeat. Absta, you.
I am not scumreading Woody.
However I will shamelessly hammer him if he gets to -1 just to remove him from the game, because his spamposting annoys the shit out of me.

[Bulbazoor]

I agree. I have no tolerance for players like he is playing in this game. Absta is ww or town. Instead of the latter, I believe him to he town because of the linez of thinking he posts. The conversation with kmd was fishy but It does not prove his alignment to be scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Half the time, I can't even understand what Bulba posts.

[Bulbazoor]

Yeah but this time it comes from my town perspective. People can make the choice whether to give me credibility or to discard me.

[Keyser Söze]

TonyMontana

(2 posts) Null-read.
No effort to scum hunt. Need some input from TonyMontana.

Zoronos

(16 posts) Town-read.

Wagon analysis is not something I'm good at. But let's talk - what do you feel you've learned so far from your wagon on Coyote?

Kyser seems to be bouncing around a lot. That suggests, to me, a lack of worry about perception. That leans slightly towny. Agree / disagree?

Commenting about perception shows his awareness of perception - this initially raised alarm bells. I liked his '

what do you feel you've learned

' question, this points to a scum-hunting mind-set. "

Let's talk

" - I will accept this invitation when I want to compare notes with Zoronos.

Haschel's RVS vote on Bulb looked to me like a joke / shared experience nod. 16 looks LAMIST; he is presuming seriousness instead of thinking about tone / context of the post.

A valid point. Only absta101 will be able to tell us the tone on his question and his intentions. But Zoronos' explanation 'fits'.

Absta - Why do you feel Kaiser is town? Specifically kaiser; I am rather uninterested in the reasons for me and BBT.

A willingness to challenge the reasons for people's town-reads - I like this.

Vinkah - BBT asked you earlier about your read on Haschel. You were waiting on a response from him, and he has since responded. Any thoughts?

I asked Vinkah a question, but I will repeat it since I am going to assume he missed it: Way back pages ago he (Vinkah) had posed a question to Haschel, but he never bothered to follow up. I want to know what Vinkah thinks as a result of that question.

Good memory and observation - Zoronos shows an eye for people to follow through with their questions.

Bulbazoor's post by post's at Woody are very scummy - he's attacking a lot of non-alignment indicating stuff.

I will need to look at Bulbazoor's accusations later.

[absta101]

Alright, i'm back. For starters, I don't think you need to be making full cases for why certain players seem town (@Keyser).

I'll read back and see what you guys have been saying.

[Bulbazoor]

Working on a clearer explanation of my thoughts, but that's a quick answer - I don't think BBT's case on Woody holds a lot of water. How someone reads a game is not alignment indicating, imo. Woody didn't post between the time the Herschel wagon started and when he voted Hershel so I can totally see him just not noticing that it had started and gathered steam.
My read on BBT himself is a slight-town lean. It seems like he is trying to get reads on most of the playerbase.

I like how you dug into the wagon to analyze it and break it down into short bits to see which were town and which are scum. This is town points for me.

[Keyser Söze]

Kmd4390

(7 posts) Town Read.

I like his observations - he is explaining what he is thinking and likes to share how he sees things from his perspective. I would love to hear his thoughts on my posts/actions so far.

RedCoyote

(1 post) Null Read.

Most of his single post was fluff. I enjoyed reading his thoughts on WoodyWoodpecker though:

Does this game only last a few minutes or did he feel like he was unable to leave the thread long enough lest he get lynched? I'll let y'all in on a secret... when I am scum, sometimes I get worried about leaving the thread if I think I am in a bad spot. As town, I do not feel as anxious.

RedCoyote reads me as "possible scum" which I would love to hear more on. If I could hear the thought-process of his 'possible scum' read it would aid my read on him.

[Keyser Söze]

Alright, i'm back. For starters, I don't think you need to be making full cases for why certain players seem town (@Keyser).

If you think I am town, aren't you interested in my reads?
If you think I am scum, aren't you interested in my reads?

I currently have a scum-lean read on you, so I hope you can appreciate my reads and discuss/challenge them. No one is a closed case.

[Keyser Söze]

However I will shamelessly hammer him if he gets to -1 just to remove him from the game, because his spamposting annoys the shit out of me.

Regardless of what alignment you may think he is?

[Keyser Söze]

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

Please can I have added quote-thought-process analysis on this statement. I am not satisfied with your reasons.

As for red ff, I just liked his posts, but he posted some questionable things now

#168 is a little meh but I shouldnt talk as I pretty much did the same thing
#176 was probbably his best post, both a good question and observation about scum in rvs
#181 is a little forced
#187 is a very good question
#203 kinda concerns me with its tone though

1) What is your current read on redFF?

2) What was it about his early posts that made you announce "red ff is town" in the thread? Please could you quote the posts that made you have such an early strong town read on him.

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

WoodyWoodpecker

(3):

BlueBloodedToffee, absta101, Bulbazoor

absta101

(2):

Zoronos, Kmd4390

Bulbazoor

(1):

WoodyWoodpecker

Kmd4390

(1):

Tony Montana

Not Voting

(6):

Banakai, RedCoyote, Haschel Cedricson, redFF, Vinkah, Keyser Söze

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

[absta101]

@Kmd

I agree with the second statement. But it doesn't explain the first.
Absta- "scum wouldn't be that active"
Me-"why"
Absta-"scum wouldn't scum hunt"

It doesn't flow the right way. He didn't answer the question. He made a new statement.

Unvote, Vote Absta

I actually feel better about this than BBT.

This doesn't work; I already clarified what I meant by being active in post 123 which was

before

you asked me this question.
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@Keyser

If you think I am town, aren't you interested in my reads?
If you think I am scum, aren't you interested in my reads?

I am interested in your scum reads mainly. I just don't think we should spend as much time making cases for why someone is town at this stage of the game.
--

I'm quite suspicious of RC at the moment and I want to see more from him.

@RedCoyote

- Why is KS possible scum?
Why is HC town?

[Keyser Söze]

Vote: Bulbazoor. He knows why.

Vote: Bulbazoor. He knows why.

Explain your vote on bulb.
VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

I'd rather Bulb explained it.

I do not know what cedric meant tbh with that statement.

Did we find resolution to this? It was one unresolved post from page 1 I'd flagged in my notes. Or should I move on...

[absta101]

@Keyser - It really doesn't matter, I only asked him that to move the game along.

[Zoronos]

Post 125 is unneeded. Bbt, if you scumread him so much, why not just vote the player right now? Are you afraid of looking scummy?
Post 126 are words of truth. The scummiest thing woody has done is defend himself and argue for his own sake than scumhunt for the sake of the town.
128 is arguably the scummiest thing I have read in my entire career on here. That was totally an unneeded justification. I think we are in post rvs or late rvs, so why bring this up? 133 is a joke?
137 strikes me as town motivated. 142 is another example of him justifying himself insteadmof hunting for the scum.
I like 144 from kmd. Explains motives and actions, unlike bbt and some others. 145 and 147 are easily an attempt to do the above. I agree with 149.
150 is a strawman. Scum can act that way this early, and Im not discarding the possibility. 152 is mostly filler and then it gets to the scumhunting point when he says what posts he likes. I disagree with the keyser read for reasons that were already stated.
153 through 155 are horrible. He is not even caring. 155 tries to discredit something he misreps. Even vink points it out. Woody, you are misrepping. That is not what I think he meant. Another attempt at selfdefense at 164.

I'm turning all the stuff Bulb referenced into post links to make it easier to read. The post links are not links to Bulb posts, in case anyone gets confused. They are the links corresponding to the posts he references.

128 - I find it hard to believe this is the scummiest thing you have read in your entire career. I'd say it's slightly scum leaning at best.
142 - You misread Woody's post; he was responding to Keyser. He said 'if there is scum between himself and BBT, it's bbt' which is a statement you'd get from either alignment. Nobody admits to being scum. He's not flip flopping either. Throughout Woody's post history he doesn't seem to be scumreading BBT. He's arguing with him a lot, but he's not pushing a BBT=Scum narrative.
145 / 147 He is clarifying your misread of the post. That's non-alignment indicating. Town or scum, either way if someone is misreading their thoughts (and indicting them for it) will want to clarify.
150 How is this a Strawman? What false argument is Woody setting up then knocking down. Bulb asked Woody if BBT was scum for attacking him. Woody answered.
153 - 154 Why are these horrible? These just look like more filler. (I kinda agree with the thought on 155, not sure I'd jump to 'horrible', but Woody definitely missed Red's point.)
164 I don't see how this is self-defense. He's questioning one of my reads, that is on a player who isn't him.

Basically, I feel like Bulb is hamming up his responses to Woody's posts. He's attacking a lot of non-alignment indicating posts. This looks to me like the scum pile-on to BBT's train. Ratchets up the pressure, and if pressed gives him a 'case' to explain why he's on the train. But a lot of that stuff is non alignment indicating, imo.

[Zoronos]

However I will shamelessly hammer him if he gets to -1 just to remove him from the game, because his spamposting annoys the shit out of me.

Regardless of what alignment you may think he is?

Pretty much! I'm going to push my scum reads, but if you give me an opportunity to hammer him, I'm taking it!

[Zoronos]

@Zoro

Fuck, my question was answered right above my post. I am bad.
Whatever. Talk to me more about that Kaiser read.

It's a weak read but like I said, he's been really active; that's something I do not expect from scum.
I don't like this post from him though

Question

Who has played Mafia with eachother before?

I know Bulbazoor and BlueBloodedToffee.

It's a pointless question that didn't need to be asked.

Okay, coming back to this post.
So, I asked for Absta's reasoning for his town read on Kaiser, but didn't really care for reasons about his town reads on me / BBT. His response was to say its a weak read, and give a reason to scum read the slot.
I didn't actually say I scum read Kaiser (I didn't / don't), but he's responding to me as though he thinks I disagree with his read. And his reaction to that perceived disagreement is to appease the accuser; he's walking back his town read, and showing me what he thinks I want to see.

It's not slam dunk, but it's more scum points for Absta, imo.