Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[Flameaxe]

I don't have the motivation though, I read through 30 pages and got nothing from it.

I vote someone I scumread? Get accused of scum for it. Honestly say I can't get into the game at points? Get accused of scum for it. Fuck am I supposed to do?

Find a way to get into it?

[Davsto]

I don't have the motivation though, I read through 30 pages and got nothing from it.

I vote someone I scumread? Get accused of scum for it. Honestly say I can't get into the game at points? Get accused of scum for it. Fuck am I supposed to do?

Find a way to get into it?

Oh man, I wish I'd thought of that!!!!! I didn't try that, thanks for the useful advice!!!!

[Davsto]

Fuckit, I'll try giving a brief readslist but ya know. Incoming!

[pirate mollie]

This whole Reck/mollie argument is making this game real fuckin hard to get into.

[Spiffeh]

It doesn't have to be super elaborate just give detail on your strongest reads atm

[notscience]

Town-Marquis, Bins, Mollie, Davvyboy, Spiffeh, catboi

Mebbetown- Reck, MattP, Zito, flameaxe, ckd

UNVOTE:

Mollie can we go for scotmany

[xRECKONERx]

disliking the distinct lack of spiffeh in these pages

also bins gives me heebies

Btw Reck I find it odd that you say this and my first post after this you yell at me for disrupting discussion or something.
And I wasn't even gone that long anyway? Idk why you singled me out like that when I've had a pretty consistent level of activity.

i chose an arbitrary page to start reading and it felt like i read through several pages without anything from you

[pirate mollie]

caught up:

town - ckd, mattp (he is much better than sc and i don't think replace out is suspish - been burned by that before), reck, zzito
probtown - aj, bbm

mid - others (i can't read cdb for shit so don't wait for my read on him)

maybscum - mollie i guess if i'm following reck?
scum - notscience, spiffeh, catboi

huh

[Davsto]

Flameaxe - Concern about me is genuine, gonna lean town.
mollie/Reck - Either TvT or TvS, unless they're opposing scum factions in the chance that it's multiball. Cannot see these both knowing that they are the same alignment. Not sure about singular reads, but that's for sure.
AJ - I've got a pretty bad view from a lot of his posts, hence the read.
Nexus - Town for coming in late and providing a list of reads totally at odds with the popular consensus.
Spiffeh - Town for helping me when I'm just struggling rather than trying to get me lynched into oblivion for it.
Zito - I've expressed my reasoning for him being scum, his vote on me following that helps him not-at-all
scotmany - his "your mom" jokes are terrible fluff and ew.

Main things that stuck in my mind, those were.

This whole Reck/mollie argument is making this game real fuckin hard to get into.

To explain why, whenever I get to this in the last few pages, I go on and start scrolling through and go "oh look there's mollie shouting at Reck [or vice versa] and my eyes just gloss over and I scroll through without taking anything in.

[Spiffeh]

mollie you seemed to have dropped your SC slot suspicion ever since MattP subbed in. What are your updated thoughts on that slot?

[Flameaxe]

WAIT NOW I CAN SAY IT CAUSE IT ENDED

I WANT GREATER IDEA DAV BRING THAT GUY TO THE THREAD

[Spiffeh]

Dav what do you think of scotmany's push on AJ?

[Davsto]

WAIT NOW I CAN SAY IT CAUSE IT ENDED

I WANT GREATER IDEA DAV BRING THAT GUY TO THE THREAD

You'll hopefully get it in a day or two once I get back to sleeping well and IRL shit stops bothering me as much. Really sorry.

[Spiffeh]

disliking the distinct lack of spiffeh in these pages

also bins gives me heebies

Btw Reck I find it odd that you say this and my first post after this you yell at me for disrupting discussion or something.
And I wasn't even gone that long anyway? Idk why you singled me out like that when I've had a pretty consistent level of activity.

i chose an arbitrary page to start reading and it felt like i read through several pages without anything from you

Aw you missed me <3

[notscience]

mollie what do you think of my reads

[Starbuck]

On top of actually having tasks to complete at my fellowship last night, I needed to take a step back because I was letting mollie pull me into her wheel of emotion. It feels like everything that I read of hers is nothing but AtE. Of the little that I read going on between her & CDB (which I need to read more of after this catch up) and then her interactions with myself and others, I just don't feel like this is town play. Before I was even completely caught up with the game, she was already freaking out and jumping all over catboi for saying that even though he disagrees that he believes my play to be genuine. She couldn't even direct questions towards me so that I could further explain my reaction. During my catch up, I even went back to the posts, that she was flipping out about, to re-read them and give further insight, to which I expected some kind of response. I don't find that to be asking all that much. I don't understand this whole big drama BS for what simply should be expected when playing mafia.

In all actuality, I was waiting for her responses because her reaction was going to help me gauge my read on her. For example, Marquis came back to my questions very eloquently and respectfully. I couldn't have asked for a better response. I have no qualms with Marquis. On the opposite side, mollie's flat out refusal, subsequent insults, assumptions, and dancing about show to me that she doesn't seem to care what I think or that she wants to be helpful for our team. Hence, why my vote went to her.

When you play as town, you should answer questions. Yeah, you might get some from folks who may be testing you or that you may deem as scummy, but it doesn't help our town as a whole to completely avoid things when information about both parties can be learned and examined later on in the game.

I am also not a fan of the way that she keeps trying to discredit my play and my input as a clash of playstyles due to my long absence from the site, that I'm only "glancing at the surface," and that I haven't "read her posts." I'm fairly certain that the effort that I put in all day, yesterday, to get caught up and to add my thoughts to the game prove all of that otherwise. Just because I haven't played in a long time, doesn't mean that I forgot HOW to play.



So that's the basis of my case on mollie, and I'll get back to reading through.

[Spiffeh]

^ That post is super town.

I'm gonna compile a list of reads soonish so all of you can stay tuned!

[Papa Zito]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

[notscience]

zito don't you be a toaster strudel

[Flameaxe]

U wild berry piece of shit

[pirate mollie]

On top of actually having tasks to complete at my fellowship last night, I needed to take a step back because I was letting mollie pull me into her wheel of emotion. It feels like everything that I read of hers is nothing but AtE. Of the little that I read going on between her & CDB (which I need to read more of after this catch up) and then her interactions with myself and others, I just don't feel like this is town play. Before I was even completely caught up with the game, she was already freaking out and jumping all over catboi for saying that even though he disagrees that he believes my play to be genuine. She couldn't even direct questions towards me so that I could further explain my reaction. During my catch up, I even went back to the posts, that she was flipping out about, to re-read them and give further insight, to which I expected some kind of response. I don't find that to be asking all that much. I don't understand this whole big drama BS for what simply should be expected when playing mafia.

In all actuality, I was waiting for her responses because her reaction was going to help me gauge my read on her. For example, Marquis came back to my questions very eloquently and respectfully. I couldn't have asked for a better response. I have no qualms with Marquis. On the opposite side, mollie's flat out refusal, subsequent insults, assumptions, and dancing about show to me that

she doesn't seem to care what I think or that she wants to be helpful for our team.

Hence, why my vote went to her.

When you play as town, you should answer questions. Yeah, you might get some from folks who may be testing you or that you may deem as scummy, but it doesn't help our town as a whole to completely avoid things when information about both parties can be learned and examined later on in the game.

I am also not a fan of the way that she keeps trying to discredit my play and my input as a clash of playstyles due to my long absence from the site, that I'm only "glancing at the surface," and that I haven't "read her posts." I'm fairly certain that the effort that I put in all day, yesterday, to get caught up and to add my thoughts to the game prove all of that otherwise. Just because I haven't played in a long time, doesn't mean that I forgot HOW to play.



So that's the basis of my case on mollie, and I'll get back to reading through.

wrt the bold: huh

[Papa Zito]

At least I'm not a pop-tart like bbm :3

[Starbuck]

In response to mollie's #609

cdb said that, not me

He may have said that you were distracted, but you proved it to be true by not acknowledging it.

I don't particularly feel inclined to respond to you until you stop acting like a douche. ignoring/avoidance is the best way to deal with such behaviours I have found, that is why cdb is freaking out about me cos I used to never let this shit go but it is prozack's game and I don't want to shit on it cos prozack is my friend. so mostly I am just ignoring your anklebiting bullshit cos that is basically what it is. your play has been surface, it still is surface and I really don't see it getting any better cos you are completely unaware that there is something wrong.

1. I haven't insulted you once. I may have snarky back at you, but your nastiness is dragging the ENTIRE GAME down. Please stop.

2. How can you even know what my play is if you aren't even reading what I've said?

3. Ignoring does NOTHING but hurt the town and prevent the flow of information.

4. So asking you to respond to well-thought out responses is "ankle-biting bullshit?" I even went back to the post in question to re-read and give further insight, and you seemed to completely ignore it.

5. There is nothing wrong with my play, other than you blatantly ignoring and not responding. I placed a little pressure you and YOU BROKE. That seems to be the case here.

your posts are like nails on chalkboard and make my eyes ears and nose bleed. I probably have blood oozing out of my armpits and nailbeds by now cos I actually try to read your posts and discern the motivation behind them. you are the exact type of player that I kind of despise, you grovel before anything that you perceive bigger than you and try to step on anything that you perceive to be smaller than you.

1. I know we're playing an online forum game, but this immaturity is awful. This type of thing would have been damn close to, if not, a banning a few years back. Is this what I should expect of all the new school players?

2. You've played one day of a Large Game with me and you despise me? How does that make any sense? Are you really letting this GAME become so personal?

3. Where have I groveled and where have I tried to step on anyone? What seems to have happened here is that I put a bit of pressure on you and you couldn't handle it.

you used a lot of words to say, "I don't think it is a playstyle approach clash but I don't understand marquis's playstyle approach!" in 1 of your walls and you don't even see anything wrong with it. like in your world that logic makes sense and I look at it and know that any engagement with you will most likely be fruitless, unenjoyable and not further my understanding of the gamestate in any way until I have a more definitive poe list.

1. If you noticed, Marquis actually responded with eloquence and took the time to explain out his take on things. He didn't crumble from questioning and pressure.

2. I didn't see anything anything wrong with it, but I can see it as a way for scum hide behind and to appear to be contributing.

3. My overall goal was to question and pressure the two of you, and gauge my reads off your reactions (as I've already said). His reaction and your reaction are worlds apart.

4. My question is if this was a concern of yours, why did you not direct a question to me to give further insight? Rather than pop off saying that I didn't read posts or that my play is "surface." The former would lead me to think of you as town, but how you've been just seems to me like you're throwing shade. Who is having a problem with "playstyle differences" now?

5. Again, another assumption "I look it and know that any engagement with you will most likely be fruitless, unenjoyable, and not further my understanding of the gamestate." Well if you chilled out a bit and had a conversation, rather than the tantrums that you've been throwing, JUST MAYBE you wouldn't feel this way.

so if it seems like I am ignoring you it is cos I am. it isn't cos OMG I AM SCUM AND I AM SOOPER SKEERED OF UR AWSUM SCUMHUNTING POWAHZ its cos I think that your scumhunting is either woefully outdated or super scummy and I am content to let things unfold naturally that way i don't have to deal with you that much.

1. Thanks for affirming my vote and making CDB's call out of it to be crap.

2. Also, thanks for affirming that you are going out of your way to withhold information.

[scotmany12]

I think I clearly explained it is because Reck knows PM well, and after meeting her in public I think it puts her tone into a very understandable town-oriented context.

I have no interest in voting Reck if that's what you're moving towards.

But how someone interacts in real life is not always the same as on a forum. And just because two people know each other in real life does not mean they can automatically read each other.

I understand your viewpoint for voting bbm now, but I disagree with it. I simply don't find that scummy from him.

I don't have the motivation though, I read through 30 pages and got nothing from it.

I vote someone I scumread? Get accused of scum for it. Honestly say I can't get into the game at points? Get accused of scum for it. Fuck am I supposed to do?

You aren't being accused of scum for voting for someone you have a scumread on. You are getting accused for placing a vote on a leading wagon without providing any justification for said vote instead of "I'm not liking him that much." Town who had actually read through the game would have provided way more reasoning. There was a bunch of stuff concerning AJ on like, pages 22-23. And a bunch before that.

Zito - I've expressed my reasoning for him being scum, his vote on me following that helps him not-at-all
scotmany - his "your mom" jokes are terrible fluff and ew.

You did no such thing with zito. In fact, the only time I see you actually making any type of post directed at him was in #682, which is not expressing your reasons for thinking he is scum. You haven't even called him scummy until that post where you list your leads. If it's because he expressed interest in voting for you, it should come at no surprise that he finds you scummy. I think he made that pretty clear.

And I made two "your mom" jokes last friday night, within an hour and a half of each other, when I'm pretty sure I was drinking. I have since commented on other things, even changed my vote from Matt to AJ. The only thing you have to say about me is that I made two "your mom" jokes?

Yeah, I don't see any of this coming from town who just can't get into the game.

vote: Davstro

AJ's last few post are decent, still find him scummy though. Bins interactions with zito are good. Need to look into the Reck/Mollie thing more, agree that Mollie's original vote was horrendous.

And Starbuck's recent post was amazing.

[scotmany12]

Also, pop-tarts>toaster streudals