@True Ogre
Are you feigning an inability to tell us apart in order to keep your main a secret, or for some other reason? I'm not interested in outing you but I do know who you are.
@Sakura
↑ Sakura Hana wrote:
Interestingly enough I feel like the way Hippy's been treated is similar to how i was treated on "that horrid blitz" with beeboy playing the role of Wisdom.
↑ Sakura Hana wrote:Just like Wisdom was town on Blitz and I kept scumreading him because all he did was say "Scum scum scum, meta meta meta" and pretty much just boxed me in and didnt let me defend myself that i went and ragequit MS.
That game hurt. I should've replaced out too but I didn't want to abandon my hydra partner who was also having a terrible time and we didn't trust a replacement to find our crumbs. For me, it wasn't
just
being tunnelled for 90 pages by Wisdom/hiplop/Expedience/RC/Spiffeh/etc that made it soul crushing, part of it was being put in a box and not being let out of the box but also some of the ways I was being pushed when I was having trouble communicating reminded me of things I don't want to talk about and there wasn't any single post that I could point to and say this crossed the line, there was nothing I could explain coherently not even postgame about what was wrong. I'm sorry I couldn't break out of my own box to help you out of your box. I am glad you came back after all. I had to take over a month break too and I'm still not really over it. I think you are right that seniors may be being boxed in but I think they could be scum this time
But I don't want to do to them what they helped do to me, not even if they're scum, so I'd like to look elsewhere for now. I think it would be easier to read Seniors accurately if they were allowed out of their box.
@Axelrod
Regarding
288, thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense. Being 90% certain seems like hyperbole to me, but I agree that he seems sincere in his hyperbole. Are you still townreading Mirhawk?
@Wrong lynch
I hope you feel better soon! Regarding
397, Sakura has a lot more history with Nacho than with Plot though. You're right that she hasn't really reached out to us very hard yet. I'm hoping this will change when she returns from her V/LA. I'm willing to trust goodmorning on beeboy for now since she's played with him recently but it's ridiculous that someone has written over 25% of the game all by himself, and Tammy and pistachi0n are right that when you boil it down there's just not a lot there. I've been trying to think if this is how i feel about beeboy or not:
The less you have to sell, the harder you sell it!
The less you have to say, the louder you yell it!
The dumber the act, the bigger the confession!
The less you have to show, the larger you dress it!
I mean it is how I feel I just don't think he's scum for it which is unfortunate, because I'd support a policy lynch there if I didn't have stronger scumreads elsewhere, namely: Mirhawk. I'm interested in your Mirhawk push. I was okay with their earlier posting, such as
82 and
93, at the time they were posted, but davesaz is a fairly easy target so I'm not as happy with those posts now as I was when I first read them.
I like that in
117 they point out that being self involved isn't a scumtell because I agree that it's a humantell not a scumtell. I don't like that the rest of that post is semantics and also this post is defending Seniors from beeboy. I've been trying to figure out if Mirhawk is whiteknighting town Seniors or defending a buddy but there's been enough resistance to the Seniors wagon and if Mirhawk has prior experience with beeboy then Mirhawk might have been able to predict that beeboy wouldn't let go once he latched on. Mirhawk does confirm in
300 that they've played together before with beeboy.
I agree with a lot of the points that are being made against them, especially that they seem to be working from too much information. Mirhawk seemed to know that Ami was gambitting when the rest of us didn't and I wasn't impressed with their posturing around the claims, for example
349 and
350 just don't seem natural. Mirhawk first is suspecting that Ami is scum counterclaiming Pistachi0n which someone mentioned would be suicidal if they were scum and I agree and seems to already know that Pistachi0n is town but doesn't mind lynching them anyway. I agree with everyone who has raised these points.
When Mirhawk tried to push Ami to reveal that she's not really a miller, i was thinking that Mirhawk was distancing from her buddy's suicidal scumplay but I think it just makes more sense as a reaction test now that it's been retracted and both Ami and Pistachi0n are probably town. I think Mirhawk knew that they were both town from the start and has been doing a poor job of hiding it. I find it's a lot easier to spot a gambit when I'm scum because it helps that I already know the alignments of the people who are doing it, so it pings me that Mirhawk's first assumption was gambit and was trying to push for the gambit to be revealed before it was when it's better to let as many people react to it as possible. I think Mirhawk felt threatened that a number of people would look town via their reactions to Amihan's gambit and wanted to cut it off early.
VOTE: Mirhawk L-6
pedit: Mirhawk wants towncred for knowing pistachi0n's alignment. I am happy with my vote.
