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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:16 pm

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podoboq wrote:
Friendless Seniors wrote:sorry guys beeboy sucked the fun out of this for me a bit.

is it still just a lot of unproductive noise or

See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.

This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.


I agree that it's not much content wise but I certainly don't think it's a scum response. Any tunneled town will often feel that way and express it publicly. Scum who's being tunneled and demotivated because of that, I think would likely both address their strongest detractor while just transparently floating along. I mean the post serves no purpose for scum other than appealing to emotion (which also still comes from town)...
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:19 pm

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Skybird wrote:I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.


...to be fair that is exactly what I said. It is a tiny struggle right now.

If something town or scum or interesting pops out at me I'll pursue it, but if not, I don't really feel like... trying to produce motivation that isn't there at the moment.
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:04 pm

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Skybird wrote:p-edit: TWL, what am I missing? Ami's post struck me as weird. Why does it not bother you?

It's super blatant. Scum doesn't often say shit like that. Town doesn't usually care.

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Tammy wrote:I eagerly await your omgus and further exaggerations though!

I have so many problems with this.

I don't really know if I can articulate them well, but they boil down to: 1. we are not omgusing by any stretch of the imagination and to use a phrase both inflammatory and inaccurate to describe our play is Not Good; 2. you are acting like you've never played with Mala before which is not even slightly the case.

I'm not going to pretend I have a very good handle on your play, because I don't, but it's problematic to me that you seem to be pressing your advantage like you're on the other side of the net.

How's this again? My response was a bit snarky sure, but considering you haven't omgus'd I wasn't describing your play up until that point but was a bit venting my frustration with mala's response and what felt like to me I'd get in response. I don't think that my questions to her were rude in any way. This is a mafia game after all, but what I do get from you guys, even here whoa with the exaggerations batman, is expressions that I should understand something that was not clear or I wouldn't have asked and a claim that I'm making a "really big deal" out of something I asked a couple questions about and was trying to understand.

Where am I acting like I haven't played with Mala again?

I don't play volleyball there sorry champ care to suggest a game I do play? Or slow it down on the sugar or caffeine or whatever is causing this hyperbole station?

It's interesting to me that the bit where you admit we haven't omgus'd is in the paragraph people are least likely to read. As the two questions of yours I could answer were answered semantically, I still don't understand why you didn't or don't understand the things you asked about.

Everywhere you act like an emotional or somewhat exaggerated response is super unusual for her.

I was thinking tennis actually but the terms of the metaphor aren't as important as its actual meaning.

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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:29 pm

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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:10 pm

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Tammy wrote:
THE WRONG WAGON wrote:You already said it yourself that you're harping on the subject. So I fail to see how I'm exaggerating anything.

Like I already answeeeed it all, but not sure what you're expecting me to say that's different than the other few times I explained it.

As I said it felt out of place for Sakura, but I already admitted that I haven't played with her in a while? Idk sometime last summer if that?? Like it felt our of place for her to focus on nacho, but that's something I'd expect like Notty to do, or Mollie.

As for nacho I still fail to see why this is such a big deal. If he made a post that was alignment indicative I would have said it, but he didn't


I feel like I'm harping because it's a sticking point for me and I asked you twice about it. Trying to understand why on something is not making a really big deal out of it just like someone perhaps misinterpreting you is not a really big misrep.

Where were the few times you explained it? Pretty sure you answered and I responded. I haven't played much with Sakura either, but her wanting to sort nacho right away is standard. If you haven't played with someone I don't know why it would even spark your notice. Furthermore, you pointing out that nothing was out of the ordinary when he hadn't posted beyond a couple rvs posts feels off.

Right now my concern is that you are either scum with nacho and you did some early discrediting to stop someone from sorting him or you're scum trying to get on his good side.

You being exaggerative when people question you doesn't help that concern.


You asked me, ploti asked me. I answered both.
I'm not saying I haven't played with Sakura. I actually have a lot in the past, but I have taken a break and even when I wasn't we didn't seem to play the same type of games. I just picked up that she seems to have from what I believe picked up a different play style that's similar to nottys. I just thought that if she was going to sort Nacho that she would have wanted to do the same to Ploti, idk. Just felt odd and out of place for her to be like planning on sorting nacho when he wasn't posting as much and there was other stuff going on. It was out of place.

Remind me why you feel the nacho / ploti slot is scum? I mean you seem to have your RVS vote from P1 still in place. You haven't really pushed them for a lynch and I dont really see you trying to convince others either. I really wasn't discrediting Sakura and insure as hell aren't buddying him either. If I was to buddy that hydra I would probably buddy first up to Ploti.

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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:01 pm

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Tammy wrote:
SirCakez wrote:Oh I have you're right derp
But she did wait to claim miller until like day 4 which is super shifty in itself
I don't think I've seen scum claim miller day 1 before


Bert in mafia with a quickness
VI can't remember his name in a cartoon themed game? My Little Pony some time back.

Two I know of off the top of my head.

Flavor claim would help if we have a flavor cop around. Miller claim won't help for cops, but could help for flavor cops.
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in We Didn't Playtest This, too. Claimed it in his first post. Coasted all the way to 5p LYLO. He was basically treated like an innocent child because of his claim.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:30 pm

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THE WRONG WAGON wrote:I personally found his early posts felt too much like drive-by sniping. The questions were all pretty good ones, but none of them really felt like they connected with the gamestate at all.

The Miller stuff definitely makes him very likely to be Scum.
He's also just sort of gone back to dave now that he can't vote pistachi0n anymore. I don't so much mind if someone's pushing something just to push something in the first few pages but it's strange to return an RVS push once the game is firmly out of RVS.

gm wrote:and omg you're town(!)
I am town for once! Counting this game, I've been town in 4 of my last 12 games! The tide is turning :]

Are you town too? I think mala would be playing differently if she were scum together with my current scumreads.

THE WRONG WAGON wrote:(Because beeboy, you literally have more posts than the bottom TWELVE posters combined.)
I love that you counted, though. Some more people have posted so he's down to only 23% of the thread. it was over 30% earlier. WHY am i keeping track of this?

THE WRONG WAGON wrote:Oh and ploti I'm not ignoring you.
It's okay! I know I sometimes write a lot of words. Talk to me when you have time.

THE WRONG WAGON wrote:(Also, to explain why I personally have zero problems with the Seniors wagon: they are acting exactly like they acted as Scum in a game a lot of us just got done with.)
That's good to know.


THE WRONG WAGON wrote:It's super blatant. Scum doesn't often say shit like that. Town doesn't usually care.
Agree. I think that post of Amihan's is too honest to be newbscum. I checked earlier and they don't have any completed scum games. None of the newbies do, except podoboq if that one night ultimate werewolf game counts (I'm not inclined to count it since he didn't know he was scum or who his buddy was). Snarky was scum in o617 but that's it.


THE WRONG WAGON wrote:If I was to buddy that hydra I would probably buddy first up to Ploti.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:04 pm

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Friendless Seniors wrote:sorry guys beeboy sucked the fun out of this for me a bit.

is it still just a lot of unproductive noise or
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I like that what hiplop took from this post was there have been developments to read instead of zeroing in on the first sentence and deciding that probably nothing had changed and that they were still being tunnelled, now by more people. It's been about 15 hours since this post, though, and while we've heard from errant since then, hiplop seems to have disappeared again.
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Friendless Seniors wrote:And mirhawk is cool for agreeing with me, and I like that vote too.
Aren't you worried that mirhawk might be whiteknighting you?

Friendless Seniors wrote:i guess it could be pressure? but davesaz is votable here
You've played with davesaz in a few games now, in ny192 where you were a lategame replacement and he was lynched on day 1 but I know you put considerable effort into your catchup, perhaps enough to get somewhat of a feel for him, and in o615 where you were town together, and for a while in ny183 where you were town together before you replaced out.

You dislike his post and you call him voteable, but is he scummy? Are you scumreading him? Do you think that he is scummy but not scum?

Friendless Seniors wrote:beeboy is oozing this vibe of "HOLY SHIT I CAUGHT SCUM I'M SO EXCITED" he's legitimately getting into the game and I like that, having a really hard time believing that it's faked.
I like this point especially since it's about you.

Friendless Seniors wrote:THIS IS EP
ROB GUESS WHAT!!!! I GOT INTO BERKELEY
Congrats!

Friendless Seniors wrote:I'm getting the feeling that piper is asking a few questions that are somewhat directionless but that feeling is REALLY HARD to grab ahold of and probably nonexistent. basically a real nullread here and I'm really curious as to why spiff thought they were scum
Because I wrote too many words. Like I do in every single game that I play when I forget and post when I'm tired/distracted/not feeling well/upset about something else/etc.

Anyway, I've done two alignment indicative things so far. Someday, someone will be able to read me.


Friendless Seniors wrote:I like mirhawk's entrance posts.
okay i read over mirhawk's current posts and there is seriously no reason for there to be a scumread on mirhawk.
Please address wrong lynch's and my points against mirhawk. This isn't good enough.

Friendless Seniors wrote:podoboq has a potential scum iso.
check it.
I need to think some more about podoboq. What do you think of his reply to your question about whether he feels disconnected from the game?


Friendless Seniors wrote:I understand that you don't have to have cohesion in a group of players that you pick out to be scum, but the fact that you think all 4 [tictac, ogre, seniors, beeboy] are scummy to some degree shows that you aren't actually evaluating and analyzing your reads to see if they are correct via what the game state looks like.

Your current bet for the scumteam is podoboq, davesaz, axel, cakez, and ogre? Can you talk some about the dynamics between this group of players? (or some other group of players if i guessed wrong?)
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:26 pm

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Amihan wrote:I want to prioritize trying to read the hydras but it's so much harder than it seems at first. :/

I like The Wrong Lynch because it's like they're saying exactly what I'm thinking about Mirhawk, but in a more understandable and experienced way. If that's naive of me you can say it but so far that's the only hydra I think I'm actually connecting with.
How do you feel about my points about Mirhawk?

It looks like you don't have any completed games with any of the hydra heads, and you haven't played with hydra before. Why are we your priority sort? As a good place to start as any, or something more? Are there any questions you could ask us that would help you sort us?


Amihan wrote:In most of the games I've played here people tend to just call me aggressive, townread me, and then ignore me afterward.
Do you like being ignored? Why?

Are you seeking to be written off as town or for people to work together with you as town?
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:43 pm

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podoboq wrote:See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.

This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.
That post looked to me like he hadn't read the thread since his previous post. Have you ever played a game where someone got discouraged like this as either alignment? How would you distinguish between scum apathy and town apathy?

podoboq wrote:I don't understand all of your guys vocabulary yet, and I'll try to pick up everything from here until the end, but just wanted to warn you guys that I've missed some stuff.
It's okay to ask questions if you need help.

podoboq wrote:Also post 349 gives me the heebies.
Me too! What about it don't you like specifically?

podoboq wrote:In my skim, I was very confident in my reads on beeboy and Cakez as town. Both of them reading FS as scum makes me question FS pretty strongly.
Which points that beeboy and Cakez made against Seniors resonates most strongly with you and why?

podoboq wrote:I considered replacing out, but I think this is a good opportunity to learn, so I'm gonna stay the course.
I like this attitude.

podoboq wrote:If your last few posts are legitimate, and you're willing to engage in the new things that have happened in the game which are unrelated to the wagon on you, then I'm totally happy to unvote here. If in my reread, I reevaluate your slot more positively, then I'm totally happy to unvote here.
Why are you telling them what to do to earn your unvote? Do you think this task would be too difficult for them to complete, if scum?
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:45 pm

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SirCakez wrote:Yo so I think Podo is town because his posts are actually good and Seniors is tunneling him for bad reasons.
What do you like about his posts specifically?
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:24 am

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podoboq wrote:
Amihan wrote:Fair answer.

I think I'm just curious because I want to be townread by more people so I don't have to scumhunt as "aggressively" this time.

Not scumreading this. I just got out of a game with Ami where she had to play incredibly aggressively because she replaced into the craziest scummiest slot. She had to play hard because we had reason to scumread her.

If she wants to be able to lay back a little bit and relax more through this game, that totally makes sense to me.

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Skybird wrote:I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.


...to be fair that is exactly what I said. It is a tiny struggle right now.

If something town or scum or interesting pops out at me I'll pursue it, but if not, I don't really feel like... trying to produce motivation that isn't there at the moment.


Just noting these two posts because Podo is soft defending Ami here. Possible association?

Ami, I appreciate your honesty but I'm not sure how to take it right now. I don't believe I've ever played with you so could you link the game where you had to try so hard that you have no/little motivation now? Please and thank you. :)
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:39 am

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Amihan wrote:I want to prioritize trying to read the hydras but it's so much harder than it seems at first. :/

I like The Wrong Lynch because it's like they're saying exactly what I'm thinking about Mirhawk, but in a more understandable and experienced way. If that's naive of me you can say it but so far that's the only hydra I think I'm actually connecting with.
How do you feel about my points about Mirhawk?

It looks like you don't have any completed games with any of the hydra heads, and you haven't played with hydra before. Why are we your priority sort? As a good place to start as any, or something more? Are there any questions you could ask us that would help you sort us?


Amihan wrote:In most of the games I've played here people tend to just call me aggressive, townread me, and then ignore me afterward.
Do you like being ignored? Why?

Are you seeking to be written off as town or for people to work together with you as town?


It's not due to any hydra player in particular, but I feel like hydra in my experience so far just need more time devoted to reading them. If I'm going to be paying special attention to anyone it'll be hydras especially so I can figure out who is posting what.

As for your second question I'd love to be written off as town... who wouldn't? Nobody gets anything done if they just have to keep defending themselves. I'd also want to work together with people as town, but I am still trying to figure out how I can bring that to the table. Some people have issues with my playstyle and I guess I don't blame them.

All of this doesn't matter if I can't get any reads done. I want to take a step back and look at everyone sometime today.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:59 am

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podoboq wrote:
Amihan wrote:Fair answer.

I think I'm just curious because I want to be townread by more people so I don't have to scumhunt as "aggressively" this time.

Not scumreading this. I just got out of a game with Ami where she had to play incredibly aggressively because she replaced into the craziest scummiest slot. She had to play hard because we had reason to scumread her.

If she wants to be able to lay back a little bit and relax more through this game, that totally makes sense to me.

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Skybird wrote:I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.


...to be fair that is exactly what I said. It is a tiny struggle right now.

If something town or scum or interesting pops out at me I'll pursue it, but if not, I don't really feel like... trying to produce motivation that isn't there at the moment.


Just noting these two posts because Podo is soft defending Ami here. Possible association?

Ami, I appreciate your honesty but I'm not sure how to take it right now. I don't believe I've ever played with you so could you link the game where you had to try so hard that you have no/little motivation now? Please and thank you. :)


Newbie 1681. I had to work overtime to flip my position as the universally scumread player and almost certain day 1 lynch, to the most universally townread player and attempted nightkill target two times over. (Btw podo do I get to brag about that? I'm pretty proud of it still... lol no matter how it turned out.) But it's not because of that game that I have little motivation, it's because of the nature of my V/LA... I'm a student. I'm on spring break. I'm traveling. This isn't at the top of my list.

But now I... found this post of yours really, REALLY scummy actually. :/

podoboq isn't soft defending me, he's unabashedly defending me. The way you're spinning this makes it seem a hundred times more sneaky than it actually is.

Secondly this feels so disconnected from where your read on me is at right now. Earlier you just said my post was weird, harped on that for a bit, and questioned The Wrong Lynch for not finding anything wrong with it (they responded by the way as did The Pied Piper and you seem to have ignored both of those reads in my favor). You didn't vote me (your vote is still on SirCakez, your RVS vote).

But now you seem to be convinced enough that you're at the stage where the first thought about someone defending me is that they might be a scumpartner. The first assumption isn't even that podoboq is just wrong on, but that someone defending me makes for a potential scum team association! That is so weird to me.

I am seeing a pattern of behavior that seems less like town growing more convinced a player is scum, and more like scum who has decided who to focus in on as a scumread and knows beforehand where they want to go with their opinions.
It's like you're determined to view the game around a position where I am scum, and selectively ignoring or suspecting people who defend me.

The tone of your suspicion around these posts has also felt more like scum whispering their suspicion to see what flies or to influence town's reads, rather than town just simply stating their reads, but I'm not sure if I can express that correctly.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:02 am

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So I really didn't like that Skybird post, and now looking at her ISO I'm not liking her thought process that just seems to jump from question to question between without any followup on those. That is a playstyle designed by scum to get along with peoples' reads.

Screw it it's still early. VOTE: Skybird Mirhawk can wait.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:04 am

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Amihan wrote:That is a playstyle designed by scum to get along with peoples' reads.


More accurately, it's just a common scum playstyle. Asking lots of questions that you honestly don't care about.
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:08 am

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The Pied Piper wrote:Agree. I think that post of Amihan's is too honest to be newbscum. I checked earlier and they don't have any completed scum games. None of the newbies do, except podoboq if that one night ultimate werewolf game counts (I'm not inclined to count it since he didn't know he was scum or who his buddy was).


As for this, it's just a weak reason to townread me, sorry. I'm assuming most newbie accounts (like me) have played mafia elsewhere before coming here. I think if you want to categorize people as new, the best way to do that would be to read their personality. Though I have been acting more new than experienced this game so far.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:46 am

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Amihan wrote:It's not due to any hydra player in particular, but I feel like hydra in my experience so far just need more time devoted to reading them. If I'm going to be paying special attention to anyone it'll be hydras especially so I can figure out who is posting what.

As for your second question I'd love to be written off as town... who wouldn't? Nobody gets anything done if they just have to keep defending themselves. I'd also want to work together with people as town, but I am still trying to figure out how I can bring that to the table. Some people have issues with my playstyle and I guess I don't blame them.

All of this doesn't matter if I can't get any reads done. I want to take a step back and look at everyone sometime today.


If you click the names in our signature and skim through our games it might give you a feel for our different playstyles. There's lots of little things like how we tend to format posts that give us away as ourselves. But we are a team and we are collectively responsible for what we post.

In this particular game, the hydras are all made up of more experienced players who will probably not be easy to read.

I think we are defining "written off" differently. The way I define it (dismissed as town, seen as town but not a town member worth listening to, acknowledged to be town and not in danger of being lynched but not being able to secure the lynches I want for whatever reason) would drive me mad.

I want to both be townread and to be able to get things done. It sounds like you do too, you're just using the words differently than I was. I asked, because scumhunting aggressively can be a way to be both townread and able to get things done, and when you said you didn't want to scumhunt aggressively I wondered what you wanted to happen instead.

There will be time after your spring break; large games usually last a few months.

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The Pied Piper wrote:Agree. I think that post of Amihan's is too honest to be newbscum. I checked earlier and they don't have any completed scum games. None of the newbies do, except podoboq if that one night ultimate werewolf game counts (I'm not inclined to count it since he didn't know he was scum or who his buddy was).


As for this, it's just a weak reason to townread me, sorry. I'm assuming most newbie accounts (like me) have played mafia elsewhere before coming here. I think if you want to categorize people as new, the best way to do that would be to read their personality. Though I have been acting more new than experienced this game so far.
This is doing nothing to dissuade me from townreading you. :] I have about three reasons for townreading this post alone.

(Unrelatedly, I was newnew when I joined a year ago. I had been playing mafia for a single day on my homesite when I joined here. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing for at least two months. It can take some time to adapt to a new site meta if you're accustomed to playing elsewhere, but I guess it's easier to hit the ground running if you have prior experience with the game.)
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:48 am

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I haven't re-read yet, that is still coming, but I had this thought. What about a "Musical" claim. i.e.: just what Musical you are from, and nothing else?

Thoughts?
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:09 am

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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:54 am

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Wow, you're just completely useless, aren't you.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:57 am

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Axelrod wrote:I haven't re-read yet, that is still coming, but I had this thought. What about a "Musical" claim. i.e.: just what Musical you are from, and nothing else?

Thoughts?

What does this accomplish?
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:02 am

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Plotinus is V/LA for a week. I've had some bad news.



I may still be posting. we'll see.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:02 am

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Amihan wrote:So I really didn't like that Skybird post, and now looking at her ISO I'm not liking her thought process that just seems to jump from question to question between without any followup on those. That is a playstyle designed by scum to get along with peoples' reads.

Screw it it's still early. VOTE: Skybird Mirhawk can wait.


Go read some of my games Ami. This is the way I play all the time. Just like you, people have a problem with my playstyle too and I honestly don't care. Your decision to suddenly scum read me is noted.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:12 am

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<3 u ploti.
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