A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Ranger]

get your head out of your ass please.

Oh? What happened to your scumread on me? This is not how you talk to a scumread.

[Friendless Seniors]

please don't let ranger last long. This is embarrassing ranger2

Yes it is. It's fucking frustrated town who has been backed into a corner all game for no fucking reason

[beeboy]

I could lynch ranger before FS I am starting to think out of the 2 ranger is more likely to flip scum

[beeboy]

That is if other townies can show me the wagon is possible I don't want to lynch outside ranger and FS today

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

oh cake - bread and butter scum read means that I expected that I'd be the exact type of person you'd scum read.

This still makes no sense
Like I don't think you're scummy? Why, should I be scumreading you?

[SirCakez]

Ya this counterwagon on me stinks. Both Seniors and Mirhawk got on, but both waited until two townish people, Spiffeh and Tammy, voted.

[dramonic]

I could vote you, that would probably divert the lynch away from you

[Rob14]

podoboq has been prodded.

[beeboy]

Oh dang the prods are op in this one.

[podoboq]

On the upside, the prod pm has flavor in it.

So I think Ranger is obvtown here, but even if she isn't, what does it honestly matter for today's lynch? We were probably going to lynch Mirhawk or FS anyway.

I suggest we proceed as normal. If today's lynch flips scum, what does that say about Ranger? If they flip town, we can reassess.

In case this is some super complicated bussing, I'd suggest FS as our lynch tonight since Ranger is voting Mirhawk. Plus, this way we can get beeboy on the wagon.

VOTE: FriendlessSeniors

If there's a flaw on this logic, someone please point it out to me.

Oh my God I want to throw up

I wasn't given pause by beeboy, but this is making me reconsider. I still think the best course of action is to continue as normal for the day, and reevaluate during the next day. One of Mirhawk or FS is almost definitely scum, and scum!Ranger would probably deflect onto the townie, so why not move forward with the person who wasn't her target in case it's a ruse?

GUYS

DID ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?

I REALLY DON'T THINK I CAN WRITE THIS OFF AS NOOBTOWN

IT'S SO BAD

Hey Spiffeh, I still see literally no problem with this logic, and you're not really pointing anything out to me.


As far as the Cakez things goes, I'm torn, because I was kinda town-reading Tammy, and obviously Cakez. I'm open to reassessing the Cakez thing, and if someone can make a (real) case on him, I'll consider voting their, but I still think FS has been the right lynch for a while now.

[Friendless Seniors]

EP is
at long last
here.

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm really busy right now so i'm kinda multitasking -EP

FS - I don't like the amount of time they spent complaining about your (BBoy) push on them. I also don't like that they are scum-reading me off one post. They like Ami's case on me even though that consists of Ami not liking my questions and assigning a scum motivation to it. EP and Hippy have both played with me before so they know how I am D1 in a large. Their position on me feels a lot like a slot keeping their options open to be able to jump on a lynchbait wagon. Leaning scum here.

Respond to 723

1450 is okay but

The EP slot knows how mad I get at this game and tried to get me mad anyway and even pointed out that it was a problem which is backwards logic.

this is just a straight up lie

And so much of it is meta but you don't give any examples so I struggle to see how anyone could be convinced by it
like comprehensive analysis of both our town game and scum game

also Ranger vote is good

cerb is... probably town?

Congrats beeboy, your shitty nothing noise throwing convinced tammy.

hiplop you rock

actually Ranger vote is maybe not good

sorry hip tammy thinks i'm dragging you down

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm gonna do the beeboy readslist thing in a bit because i'm awesome

-ep

[Mirhawk]

@Podo
Cakes is scum because he isn't looking for scum, rather he's coasting and has been doing so for most of the game.

In the last game I played with him (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594) he actively scumhunted constantly, in this one he vote parked on me over a thousand posts ago and hasn't done much of anything since.

How much time does he spend pushing the scumread he's had all game? Almost none. He doesn't analyze any of my posts and the extent of him pushing my wagon consists of him occasionally reminding people that he thinks I'm scum.

Also his reaction to Rangers readslist was outrageously fake.

That's why I'm voting for him at least. Not really sure as to the reasons for the other ones.

[Friendless Seniors]

TOWN
Tammy- Good

Amihan- Good

Spiffeh- Good

beeboy- Good

True Ogre- Good

WON'T LYNCH FOR NOW
The Pied Piper- I think some of the Nacho posting (at least I think it was Nacho) was good, but I honestly have no idea with this head, I want to say town but I think there were some things that prevented me from thinking that.

Mirhawk- the case on mirhawk I don't understand and early game was strong enough so that I will wait to see more from Mirhawk before considering lynching.

Ranger- This is really really "For now" because Ranger hasn't really pinged me enough to say I want to lynch her and there were a few posts that I did really like. I will talk to hiplop a bit about this

Cerb- Good, I think this is town play but I'm not entirely sure

Wrong Lynch- I don't remember anything making me want to evaluate wrong lynch more honestly. I think I might have to ISO them more though.

pistachio- probably good

podo- really flipping on this slot, so I want to see more before I actually consider lynching, I see a lot of good from podoboq, and clearly made an effort to connect with the game.

SHRUG
Snowman- Not enough to really evaluate this slot?

Dramonic- I'd rather not lynch Dramonic, I don't think that anything he did really merited a scumread so it confuses me that people want to vote him, it kinda shows me that people are targeting the low-content people because they don't actually have strong reads they want to push

Sakura- I don't know enough about this slot to actually say something of note

davesaz- don't really know enough about this slot. I'll ISO him when I have time

COULD LYNCH
Skybird- Hippy thinks skybird is town but 723 bad. Skybird seems to continually use the "my playstyle is just like this, don't scumread me" thing which is bad.

SirCakez- Logically, he kinda sucks. It could be because his style is just like that but I really don't understand most of the stuff that cakez scumreads people for

tictac- I see them following the big wagons- us, Ranger, Mirhawk, and going with the flow of the game, seems somewhat disconnected from the game, gives views on things but never really brings up things that she believes should be pushed, not really advancing game state?

Axelrod- I've already posted about Axelrod

-EP

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

I think EP and Hiplop may just be lynch bait imo.

VOTE: Ranger

[Errantparabola]

people are just assuming that mirhawk is scum and I really don't see it. I don't see how people see it.

[Friendless Seniors]

people are just assuming that mirhawk is scum and I really don't see it. I don't see how people see it.

ahhh wtf

[Spiffeh]

Ranger or Cakez is fine with me

Idk which I'd prefer tbh

[beeboy]

people are just assuming that mirhawk is scum and I really don't see it. I don't see how people see it.

ahhh wtf

Like I feel like our thoughts on the game match up too much for you to be scum.

Let's lynch Ranger cause you or Mirhawk isn't a good idea

[beeboy]

actually I lied our thoughts don't match up at all but I like the logic you are using.

I think that is a better way to say why I don't want to lynch you before Ranger.

[tictac]

The only scummy thing they did was calling the Snarky vote a push and somehow getting a read off of him from his naked vote

EP has looked pretty town and hiplop's frustration seems genuine

I keep going back and forth on them and I'm actually leaning towards them being town if I had to guess

First time Spif pings me. Disagree with frustration feeling genuine.
This is not what a null read looks like.

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

I'm actually in class, ignoring everything the teacher is saying. I've nothing to do besides spam the f5 key <.<

So why is this the first time we see increased activity from you? Is this the first time you are bored in class?

if you think someone is legitimately scum then you go for it, that's the best case scenario, not "lynching someone you kinda think is scum but hoping for that information"

Huh. That's a good point from FS.
It's defending Swords/Ranger slot thou :/
Also, info-lynches are bad, but townies go for them all the time so not really a valid reason to scumread Axl.

That's a scum replace out

Ayp.

EP why do you always sound fake to me it makes me sad

Ayp.

Mirhawks post IMMEDIATELY made me suspicious of them. That's a weird sensation for me, it's not normal, but I read the couple posts leading up to him voting, and immediately felt like the slot was terrible.

Why? Early Mir looked towny to me.

I was reluctant because I thought some of his earliest posts had good content and I had mixed feelings about his reaction to Ami's gambit. I don't like his recent posts, though:

Huh. Maybe I was wrong about pist.
Feels insufficient for strongest scumread if your feelings match that closely to mine thou :/

I was scumreading him for playing similarly in a different game, he flipped town. I'm not sold yet.

That does seem to be a thing that happens.

Ugh. I was just writing this..

Finally

at this point.

Snarky is a quality vig shot, no point wagoning him.

Agree with this.

Yuck, bad word choice. Should have proofread that one.

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Exhibit A: "See there's this perfectly reasonable explanation for why EP looks better but I'm going to ignore that explanation in favor of the explanation that paints us as scum"

What explanation is this?

tictac's 1203 I take issue with

What is the issue?

Tictac why is Post your top lynch still?

Response to Amihan gambit.
It wasn't the straight-up countervote of a townie who sees an abvious scum nor figuring what was going on of a townie in a weird situation.
She knew she needed to vote Ami and either made up a reason or looked at her ISO to find arguments.
Also didn't comment on anything else before Ami took back the CC.
I get a strong vibe of last-ditch effort from scum who thinks she's trapped in an impossible situation.
Also I said in 438 that I know her, and she has expressed no curiosity about that at all. I don't think she's the type of player who doesn't read, so I think it's indicative.

That said, I did get some strong sync with her later, so she has dropped in scumminess.

>"Ranger was sketchy for having Seniors and Mirhawk as top scum"
>Has Seniors as a preferred lynch above me.
(Not to mention, Mirhawk below me but still in the lynchable list.)

Yer a replace. I expected you to have fresh perspective and you didn't.

His whole catch up post looks like busy work and he never pushes pistachi0n who he is apparently voting for

Needed to catch up to know I was pushing in a direction I wanted to go. I'm glad I waited.

Still need to look at Rangers progression in more detail, but I'm caught up more or less.

This looks good.
VOTE: Seniors

Seniors>Ranger>pist>Mir

[Spiffeh]

Cakes is scum because he isn't looking for scum, rather he's coasting and has been doing so for most of the game.

In the last game I played with him (viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594) he actively scumhunted constantly, in this one he vote parked on me over a thousand posts ago and hasn't done much of anything since.

How much time does he spend pushing the scumread he's had all game? Almost none. He doesn't analyze any of my posts and the extent of him pushing my wagon consists of him occasionally reminding people that he thinks I'm scum.

Also his reaction to Rangers readslist was outrageously fake.

This is all so true

This is not town!Cakez

Can we please lynch him

[Spiffeh]

I really appreciate everyone disappearing/doing jack shit as it gets closer and closer to deadline

[Amihan]

VOTE: Ranger

I've been inactive due to school-related events, I'm sorry for that. But if Skybird isn't happening this is the way to go. SirCakez is definitely town.