A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

First off, 18 posts analyzing/questioning/pushing you isn't even close to the "no justification AT ALL until case" stuff you were pushing earlier.

914 isn't an abrupt end, look at 918, Cerb explained it better and then you took the discussion to him.
1194 (response to 1177) was missed looks like but I most definitely did not "duck out" there, I continued to engage you on the next page.

18 of 115 is about fifteen percent, that's a pretty low number if you ask me.

And calling all of those as relevant is probably a stretch as well. The most relevant thing in there is probably your question about my stance on TWL, but you dropped that. Also the thing you engaged me about on the next page was pretty pointless.

I feel like I shot pretty big holes in cerb's reasoning as well, but you never came back to help him justify his point despite saying you agreed completely with it. You seemed all too happy to let him argue it instead of you.

15% is pretty good if you aren't deathtunneling.

It was analysis/engagement/whatever, it =/= "no analyzing or pushing".

Yeah I didn't go back to keep arguing with you when Cerb was explaining it well, I had already said what I meant.

[Dwlee99]

So stress free.

hah ok

who wants to talk. tell me who scum is

[davesaz]

Also, you're right. The gradient is annoying. It's pretty, but it makes quoting you SO hard.

If you highlight some text with your mouse and press quote, it will quote only that part of the text (and get rid of the formatting, but that's fine.)

It even grabs text across quotes and spoilers. New toy!

[Friendless Seniors]

I am currently both Plotinus and Nacho; come talk to me. I remember in the future that hiplop says something like he didn't like Plot's clumsy wagon handling but that doesn't exactly seem like a scum tell to me (and especially not like a Plotinus-specific one); did you have a different reason for being uncomfortable with Plot? What did you think of their reads?

It is. they are playing very akin to butterfly mafia. And I expect yall to be going after someone...better than skybird? who is like consistently mislynched in games? It seems very planned, which is the defining quality of plotscum. Someone else said this is nachscum sooo.... their ways of interacting with me just seem way off!

other one is for ep, idk

[Dwlee99]

18 of 115 is about fifteen percent, that's a pretty low number if you ask me.

And calling all of those as relevant is probably a stretch as well. The most relevant thing in there is probably your question about my stance on TWL, but you dropped that. Also the thing you engaged me about on the next page was pretty pointless.

I feel like I shot pretty big holes in cerb's reasoning as well, but you never came back to help him justify his point despite saying you agreed completely with it. You seemed all too happy to let him argue it instead of you.

15% is pretty good if you aren't deathtunneling.

It was analysis/engagement/whatever, it =/= "no analyzing or pushing".

Yeah I didn't go back to keep arguing with you when Cerb was explaining it well, I had already said what I meant.

ooooooohhhh fanccyyyyy

[davesaz]

I think Mirhawk's recent line of questioning on Cakez is completely hollow.

What do ya think of my line?

Forgot Podo said this.

I'm going to admit I'm super convinced Cakez is scum and I'm pushing him more or less on everything I can.

Some of it is kind of stupid.

nonono you dont understand. Cakez is being genuine. He oozes it.

Are you trying to say he's town? Because I've seen scum appear to be very "genuine".

[Mirhawk]

I find 15% to be pretty low, deathtunneling or not. And as I said, a lot of those posts are just along the lines of "mirhawk is scum", which I don't really think is useful for anything aside from reminding people of your opinion.

The "no analyzing/pushing" thing was pretty obviously a gross exaggeration, I mean I retracted that comment almost immediately after I said it. It was just too much of an exaggeration for me to stand by it. You keep bringing it up, but it's pretty obvious that's not my actual opinion. My point is (and has been this whole time) that you did very little analyzing or pushing, and I don't think I'm off base in saying that.

The only person who had a case on me based on that whole scenario that made any sense was Podo. Cerbs case didn't make any sense as it assumed that I had information that there was no way I could have. I pointed this out at the time so I'm not sure how Cerb was explaining it well.

[SirCakez]

18 of 115 is about fifteen percent, that's a pretty low number if you ask me.

And calling all of those as relevant is probably a stretch as well. The most relevant thing in there is probably your question about my stance on TWL, but you dropped that. Also the thing you engaged me about on the next page was pretty pointless.

I feel like I shot pretty big holes in cerb's reasoning as well, but you never came back to help him justify his point despite saying you agreed completely with it. You seemed all too happy to let him argue it instead of you.

15% is pretty good if you aren't deathtunneling.

It was analysis/engagement/whatever, it =/= "no analyzing or pushing".

Yeah I didn't go back to keep arguing with you when Cerb was explaining it well, I had already said what I meant.

ooooooohhhh fanccyyyyy

wtf happened here

[dramonic]

Vote: piper

I feel bad for Nacho =/

[SirCakez]

I find 15% to be pretty low, deathtunneling or not. And as I said, a lot of those posts are just along the lines of "mirhawk is scum", which I don't really think is useful for anything aside from reminding people of your opinion.

The "no analyzing/pushing" thing was pretty obviously a gross exaggeration, I mean I retracted that comment almost immediately after I said it. It was just too much of an exaggeration for me to stand by it. You keep bringing it up, but it's pretty obvious that's not my actual opinion. My point is (and has been this whole time) that you did very little analyzing or pushing, and I don't think I'm off base in saying that.

The only person who had a case on me based on that whole scenario that made any sense was Podo. Cerbs case didn't make any sense as it assumed that I had information that there was no way I could have. I pointed this out at the time so I'm not sure how Cerb was explaining it well.

It's pushing at the least.

It wasn't "very little" yeah I probably could have done more at the time but I think you're exaggerating this.

From what I remember Cerb had pointed out basically everything I was thinking only more succinctly regarding that scenario, I'd have to go review it but it made sense to me.

[Mirhawk]

@Dram
Why?

I'm expecting more of an answer then "because he's scum", so don't even.

[Dwlee99]

18 of 115 is about fifteen percent, that's a pretty low number if you ask me.

And calling all of those as relevant is probably a stretch as well. The most relevant thing in there is probably your question about my stance on TWL, but you dropped that. Also the thing you engaged me about on the next page was pretty pointless.

I feel like I shot pretty big holes in cerb's reasoning as well, but you never came back to help him justify his point despite saying you agreed completely with it. You seemed all too happy to let him argue it instead of you.

15% is pretty good if you aren't deathtunneling.

It was analysis/engagement/whatever, it =/= "no analyzing or pushing".

Yeah I didn't go back to keep arguing with you when Cerb was explaining it well, I had already said what I meant.

ooooooohhhh fanccyyyyy

wtf happened here

i did the quote thingy

[dramonic]

Because Plot is making some very newbscum plays lately and I know he's a strong player.

[dramonic]

Unrelated: For fuck's sake stop this awful color-quoting clownfuckery. Especially Itlepip with the nuclear lemon yellow.

[Dwlee99]

Because Plot is making some very newbscum plays lately and I know he's a strong player.

i'm so happy someone is actually reading those walls

[Mirhawk]

It's barely pushing. If you cut out the posts where I asked you questions and the ones where you just called me scum in passing it trims down to 5 posts. That's almost jokingly bad.

The number of posts you made in that same timeframe that had nothing to do with your top scumread was 97. As far as I can tell you didn't do much of anything that entire time.

[SirCakez]

I could go into the ISO of basically anyone on any wagon and not a ton of their posts will be focused on the person they are voting. You're pushing this thing where "he should be focused on me and nailing me to the wall constantly!" which isn't true or the best play. I hate tunneling especially.

[Mirhawk]

@Dramonic
That's cool to hear. You should go into greater detail as I'm kinda interested in that. I don't particularly trust my reads on Nacho, and I have trouble telling them apart.

I gotta go now, probably won't be back tonight.

[Mirhawk]

I'm not saying tunneling is a good thing, I'm saying that your involvement with your top scumread is ridiculously low.

No matter how many ways you look at it it still ends up looking like you were only there because it was easy. Which looks particularly bad on a player who is supposed to be actually looking for scum ie: the town.

I know you are capable of scumhunting, and you're capable of pushing your reads, but yet you still managed to spend almost the entire day not doing so.

I'm out.

[Cerberus v666]

Mirhawk, podo and I were saying the exact same thing, I simply made further assumptions about possible explanations for thr situation, beyond the base conclusion podo and I arrived at.

Anyways. Hey dram. Why does plot, a good player, doing newbscum things, make them likely to be scum? That doesn't actually make sense.

[Mirhawk]

Gah, stop making me post. I got places to be.

You and podo did not have the same case.

Your case relied on me knowing Ami's claim was false from the start. Which was impossible unless I was scum with Ami (which you weren't saying).

Podo's case was that I knew they were both town and was trying to get towncred (or something like that). I'd have to go back and look for the exact reason for podo's case, but it was definitely different.

[Cerberus v666]

Gah, stop making me post. I got places to be.

You and podo did not have the same case.

Your case relied on me knowing Ami's claim was false from the start. Which was impossible unless I was scum with Ami (which you weren't saying).

Podo's case was that I knew they were both town and was trying to get towncred (or something like that). I'd have to go back and look for the exact reason for podo's case, but it was definitely different.

You're messing up the logic.

The issue we both had was with your knowledge that the claim was false. That knowledge, logically, in both our cases, came from you being scum. As scum, you would know that Ami was town, and could logically deduct that it was unlikely there were two millers, therefore you knew the claim was false.

That is identical in both our posts. You simply misunderstood my original post, and missed how I never said you knew that from firsthand knowledge, but instead said it was simply a reasonable conclusion for scum to draw.

I, too, would need to go back and reread them to remember what the exact differences were from that point forward, but I definitely remember being extremely irritated when you accepted podoboq's reasons as perfectly fine, when they were in fact identical to mine at their root.

That's something very irritating to me in general.

Anyways. Go off and do your things. You misrepresenting/misunderstanding what I said has been handled for now.

[SirCakez]

I'm not saying tunneling is a good thing, I'm saying that your involvement with your top scumread is ridiculously low.

No matter how many ways you look at it it still ends up looking like you were only there because it was easy. Which looks particularly bad on a player who is supposed to be actually looking for scum ie: the town.

I know you are capable of scumhunting, and you're capable of pushing your reads, but yet you still managed to spend almost the entire day not doing so.

I'm out.

We're going in circles on this, I don't think my involvement was ridiculously low nor was I there because it was easy.

[itlepip]

(ftr the reason I think mirhawk is scum here is 100% independent of that whole ordeal)

[Cerberus v666]

everyone needs to adopt my playstyle: You get all your thoughts out in a few sentences instead of making huge walls of text that take 20 minutes to read and write.

My huge walls are pretty stream of consciousness, they just sorta flow out and cover whatever is on my mind at the time, which isn't much now.

So, based on the top wagons right now, I would prefer SirCakez>Skybird>TPP. I don't see TPP as scum at all, Skybird is, well. Meh. I guess they're actually tied with Cakez, in that I've seen things from Cakez that have aroused my suspicions, but also some good things, and Skybird is just generally meh.

Hmm. I'll have you all know, I'm kinda inclined to sheep Rangers reads except where they were totally wrong(as in, on FS, imo), and all the people you guys want to lynch are like, no worse than null to me, and like all town and shit to her.

I kinda wanna lynch Axel.

Itlepip, I wanna lynch Mirhawk too, more than anyone else, I think? But like, I'm just not here enough to push it or to be sure I'm right. Tell me why Mirhawk is scum, indepedent of that.

-Cerb