A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[The Pied Piper]

As scum, to convince town that you are useful.

And why would I do this when the town already thinks that I am useful?

Wonder how long Nacho can pretend these posts don't exist.

Your posts? A pretty long time; not like they have an impact on the game.

[Dwlee99]

I"m already on tpp, podo. lol

[podoboq]

Meta. You're appealing to knowledge I don't have. I see clear scum motivation here. But hey, fair argument. Taken note of.

I'm appealing to what was happening earlier in the game; people were already looking at us as a leader before the whole claim business, and it's not like there's a player in the game who would go "they say they know things! they must be town and a leader!" and not "they're busting their ass this game and look at all that pushing they're doing! they must be town and a leader!"

I was looking at Marquis as a leader, because she had information. Actionable, real information. When you claim to have the same, it elevates your position from being a good player with strong reads to being more than that.

[podoboq]

I"m already on tpp, podo. lol

Doing a lot of stuff at once, oops.

[Cerberus v666]

You're going to no lynch.

And podo, mirhawk waa up to 8 votes at one point

Axel has at least 5, more like 7/8 people who have him among the people they're willing to lynch today.

It's very disingenuous to suggest that FS and TPP are anywhere close to the slots most likely to be successfully lynched today.

[The Pied Piper]

I was looking at Marquis as a leader, because she had information. Actionable, real information. When you claim to have the same, it elevates your position from being a good player with strong reads to being more than that.

But, as scum, this is not a risk that's worth the reward. The only way that I can get anywhere by lying about information on ROLES that I don't have is by people not questioning it, and the benefit is that I'm elevated slightly above where I already am, and the place where I am is good enough where I can still push mislynches and get shit done. As scum, I wouldn't lie about something like role speculation when I could tell the truth instead and where a risk of that magnitude gains me basically nothing. I don't know why you think that I as scum would lie about Cakez being vig if I wanted to act like I knew things when I could just focus on the tictac neighborhood, and I don't know why you think that I would tell tictac to activate their bulletproof if I didn't think I knew who the vig was.

[davesaz]

13 hours.

Who should be lynched dave?

I'll be making the biggest wagon bigger right before I go to bed, unless I'm already on the biggest one. Deadline happens before I wake up.

[Cerberus v666]

I was looking at Marquis as a leader, because she had information. Actionable, real information. When you claim to have the same, it elevates your position from being a good player with strong reads to being more than that.

But, as scum, this is not a risk that's worth the reward. The only way that I can get anywhere by lying about information on ROLES that I don't have is by people not questioning it, and the benefit is that I'm elevated slightly above where I already am, and the place where I am is good enough where I can still push mislynches and get shit done. As scum, I wouldn't lie about something like role speculation when I could tell the truth instead and where a risk of that magnitude gains me basically nothing. I don't know why you think that I as scum would lie about Cakez being vig if I wanted to act like I knew things when I could just focus on the tictac neighborhood, and I don't know why you think that I would tell tictac to activate their bulletproof if I didn't think I knew who the vig was.

Umm, as scum, you tell tictac to use their bp so you can shoot or roleblock them the next night, when they try to use their investigate.

[podoboq]

You're going to no lynch.

And podo, mirhawk was up to 8 votes at one point

Axel has at least 5, more like 7/8 people who have him among the people they're willing to lynch today.

It's very disingenuous to suggest that FS and TPP are anywhere close to the slots most likely to be successfully lynched today.

We started a wagon on Axel, and obviously it wasn't happening. Everyone on the Axel wagon would vote for TPP, making the TPP wagon larger, so.......

As far as Mirhawk is concerned, it's probably viable. I don't want to vote there anymore, shrinking the pool a bit. I think I showed with the Ranger lynch that I'm unwilling to accept a no lynch. Mirhawk is basically a no lynch when compared to the lynches of FS or TPP. That's how we move the game forward, so that's what needs to happen.

[Cerberus v666]

You're going to no lynch.

And podo, mirhawk was up to 8 votes at one point

Axel has at least 5, more like 7/8 people who have him among the people they're willing to lynch today.

It's very disingenuous to suggest that FS and TPP are anywhere close to the slots most likely to be successfully lynched today.

We started a wagon on Axel, and obviously it wasn't happening. Everyone on the Axel wagon would vote for TPP, making the TPP wagon larger, so.......

As far as Mirhawk is concerned, it's probably viable. I don't want to vote there anymore, shrinking the pool a bit. I think I showed with the Ranger lynch that I'm unwilling to accept a no lynch. Mirhawk is basically a no lynch when compared to the lynches of FS or TPP. That's how we move the game forward, so that's what needs to happen.

Cakez would easily move back. I would easily move there. Talah and dave are both going to the biggest wagon.

So yeah. Axel is fucking easy.

Mirhawk is even easier.

[podoboq]

You're going to no lynch.

And podo, mirhawk was up to 8 votes at one point

Axel has at least 5, more like 7/8 people who have him among the people they're willing to lynch today.

It's very disingenuous to suggest that FS and TPP are anywhere close to the slots most likely to be successfully lynched today.

We started a wagon on Axel, and obviously it wasn't happening. Everyone on the Axel wagon would vote for TPP, making the TPP wagon larger, so.......

As far as Mirhawk is concerned, it's probably viable. I don't want to vote there anymore, shrinking the pool a bit. I think I showed with the Ranger lynch that I'm unwilling to accept a no lynch. Mirhawk is basically a no lynch when compared to the lynches of FS or TPP. That's how we move the game forward, so that's what needs to happen.

Cakez would easily move back. I would easily move there. Talah and dave are both going to the biggest wagon.

So yeah. Axel is fucking easy.

Mirhawk is even easier.

And FS is obviously easy. So if you aren't voting for TPP, just lynch FS. No stupid half measures. Let's solve the game.

[podoboq]

I was looking at Marquis as a leader, because she had information. Actionable, real information. When you claim to have the same, it elevates your position from being a good player with strong reads to being more than that.

But, as scum, this is not a risk that's worth the reward. The only way that I can get anywhere by lying about information on ROLES that I don't have is by people not questioning it, and the benefit is that I'm elevated slightly above where I already am, and the place where I am is good enough where I can still push mislynches and get shit done. As scum, I wouldn't lie about something like role speculation when I could tell the truth instead and where a risk of that magnitude gains me basically nothing. I don't know why you think that I as scum would lie about Cakez being vig if I wanted to act like I knew things when I could just focus on the tictac neighborhood, and I don't know why you think that I would tell tictac to activate their bulletproof if I didn't think I knew who the vig was.

We clearly disagree on the benefit that you get out of claiming to know about town roles. When you're claiming to have that information based on your reading of crumbs, the risk is also a lot smaller than I think you're making it out to be.

[Cerberus v666]

Also, fuck all of you if you actually lynch fs or TPP for fucking informarion, because that's what podo argument (and others) basically amounts to.

Pedit: naw I'll let a no lynch happen today because you're all acting to shift wagons hardcore with less than 12 hours left, on the fucking weekend, when people are less active.

[The Pied Piper]

the way I view the information reveal on Tictac is that you never had to mention it at all.

Not arguing that I had to, but I did explain why I did.

[podoboq]

Also, fuck all of you if you actually lynch fs or TPP for fucking informarion, because that's what podo argument (and others) basically amounts to.

Pedit: naw I'll let a no lynch happen today because you're all acting to shift wagons hardcore with less than 12 hours left, on the fucking weekend, when people are less active.

One of FS or TPP must be scum, as far as I can tell. Seems obvious to lynch one of the two.

Or you could no lynch because you refuse to take sides like an imbecile.

[The Pied Piper]

One of FS or TPP must be scum, as far as I can tell. Seems obvious to lynch one of the two.

Where did this come from?

[podoboq]

One of FS or TPP must be scum, as far as I can tell. Seems obvious to lynch one of the two.

Where did this come from?

Do you not think that's accurate? You think there's a chance that you v FS is town v town?

[The Pied Piper]

Also, you keep saying trust me. But the thing is, I don't. I don't have any reason to either, you haven't been the townest player around this game. Obviously I'm not either, but I'm not telling everyone to listen to me just cuz.

I think we said "trust me" once. The narrative right now is "leave me the fuck alone and try scumhunting something else because this isn't the only thing we've done this game".

[podoboq]

TPP, weren't you making exactly the same argument just a few hours ago to why you and FS should be the only options to lynch?

[The Pied Piper]

One of FS or TPP must be scum, as far as I can tell. Seems obvious to lynch one of the two.

Where did this come from?

Do you not think that's accurate? You think there's a chance that you v FS is town v town?

That question wasn't about me.

[Cerberus v666]

FS and TPP is TvT as fuck.

And....don't insult my intelligence podo. You do not want to go down that rabbit hole, and the game doesn't have enough time in the day phase for us ro spend time on it. I'm well aware of what I'm doing, and why. Maybe you guys should just lynch fu king mirhawk amd then it wouldn't be a problem..

[podoboq]

One of FS or TPP must be scum, as far as I can tell. Seems obvious to lynch one of the two.

Where did this come from?

Do you not think that's accurate? You think there's a chance that you v FS is town v town?

That question wasn't about me.

You've tunneled FS so damn hard here, that I think it's clearly not bussing. If FS flips town, you're just wrong on a scale that I think points to scumminess rather than ignorance.

[podoboq]

FS and TPP is TvT as fuck.

And....don't insult my intelligence podo. You do not want to go down that rabbit hole, and the game doesn't have enough time in the day phase for us ro spend time on it. I'm well aware of what I'm doing, and why. Maybe you guys should just lynch fu king mirhawk amd then it wouldn't be a problem..

Sorry, I crossed a line. I'm drinking, riled up, and distracted, so suggesting a no lynch just stirred me the wrong way.

I'd like some explanation as to why you think FS and TPP is town v town.

[The Pied Piper]

But what you're doing in regards to our lynch is not helping town. I get that you don't want to face us tomorrow. But you are painting a picture that points to Axel scum, and here we are, agreeing with you.
Is it the fact that we're agreeing with you that you're becoming less confident in your axel scumread?

How is the way that I'm handling your lynch not helping town? I think that you're scum and I want you to die. I think that one of us dying progresses the game far more than lynching outside of us two and playing this same tired game tomorrow. I am not "painting a picture that points to Axel scum", though; I'm scumreading the slot, but it's not an immensely confident one. The only reason I brought it up was because Cerb asked me my read on him. If I was looking to compromise, I'd compromise on Dwlee but people seem determined to clear him but compromising on my third scumread because ??? seems kind of dumb just because some people are asking me to, don't you think?

this definitely doesn't gel with what i'm getting from the other stuff that you're saying about axel. Not one bit.

The other things I've said about Axel isn't really significant; I've called him scum a couple of times but I haven't really pursued him to any significant extent, whereas I've recently and significantly attacked you and dwlee. That suggests distance inbetween those reads.

[The Pied Piper]

You've tunneled FS so damn hard here, that I think it's clearly not bussing. If FS flips town, you're just wrong on a scale that I think points to scumminess rather than ignorance.

This line of thinking is sort of fucked.