New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Persivul]

But again Titus, you and ETL were buddies at first. There are plenty of people for scum!ETL to mislynch. So, why does she turn on you? What's her motivation? Don't scum want allies?

[Titus]

But again Titus, you and ETL were buddies at first. There are plenty of people for scum!ETL to mislynch. So, why does she turn on you? What's her motivation? Don't scum want allies?

Gamestate, Ircher was highly scum driven. I called it out. She knew I would be an impediment to mislynching Ircher. Her reads also made sense at first. Over time, they ceased to make sense.

Thoughts on TBG?

[Titus]

Trajectory is also not a buzzword. Trajectory is the line of a person's thoughts from the start of the game until the end. Basically, how the reads evolve.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Trajectory is also not a buzzword. Trajectory is the line of a person's thoughts from the start of the game until the end. Basically, how the reads evolve.

No, it's a buzzword. A game-valid buzzword but still ... you could always say "development"

[TehBrawlGuy]

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

Your laziness has earned you scum points according to my scum points book

Read his two posts.

how is cy the top wagon with only 2 posts?

have you read the posts?

Both Titus and Zakk replied the same thing. I know this should be a null read, but I'm gut reading both Titus and Zakk as town for the moment.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cytheflyguy

and VOTE: cytheflyguy

1. you have your own reasons for voting him, but you try to make it funny too
2. you base your actual vote on the fact that titus and i agree about him
3. you forget you voted him, and vote him again? apparently you didn't really believe in your vote when you did it.

bonus: you made some comment to me about that you like being hard to read, which seemed jokey-scummy in sort of a "ha ha let's laugh at this together even though i'm giving the obvious scum answer ha ha ha look how funny everyone"

vote: heuristically_alone

the cy wagon has gotten stale of late, it's a bunch of me-toos, and a cy flip will tell us too little

the ircher wagon is the definition of a lazy wagon on probtown, buuuut it will tell us a lot based on flip, so i will abide it, HOWEVER

hey other people:

come join me on heur, we have cookies. this is the real juiciness of the day right hurr

Agree with this post/10.
Look at heur iso.

It's the goddamn definition of coasting. Most of his posts are one liners, and his only stated reads are on me (circa forever ago) and Cy, the easiest wagon in the game. It's a Large, and he has one current read, but he's here enough to answer a question directed at cy in 776 for some reason?

vote heur

[TehBrawlGuy]

whoops bbcode

VOTE: huer

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.11

The Aurora Borealis in the sky!

SethYazura (4) - copper223, Nosferatu, Aneninen, projectmatt
TehBrawlGuy (4) - Killthestory, Titus, EspeciallyTheLies, MagnaOfIllusion
Killthestory (2) - I Am Innocent, Expedience
cytheflyguy (2) - Ircher, heuristically_alone
heuristically_alone (2) - zakk, TehBrawlGuy
Titus (2) - drmyshottyiszik, Persivul
Ircher (2) - Egg, cytheflyguy
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell

Not voting (2) - Desmond_13, SethYazura

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Egg is V/LA until May 25.
Zakk is V/LA until May 25.
EspeciallyTheLies will be V/LA from May 25 to May 31.

[Ircher]

Ircher will be V/LA from 5/30 to 6/3

[EspeciallyTheLies]

VOTE: Titus

[Lowell]

No internet again today. Fuck me. Should be back FOR REAL tomorrow... otherwise policy lynch me or something. jesus this is frustrating.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@shotty, voting me because you can't mislynch Ircher. Tsk. Tsk.

nope, I can't mis lynch scum. People were putting pressure elsewhere and you are scum so time to pressure you.

[SethYazura]

TBH tries to misdirect and change the wagon to heuristically_alone just right after Titus said we should gang him up.
Say no more Titus, VOTE: TehBrawlGuy.

@Seth – are you an Alt? Your statements about “new players” when your join date is this month strike me as not new-player based.

Had games of real life party mafia and 200+ games on sc2mafia before I decided to try out forum mafia.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBH tries to misdirect and change the wagon to heuristically_alone just right after Titus said we should gang him up.
Say no more Titus, VOTE: TehBrawlGuy.

@Seth – are you an Alt? Your statements about “new players” when your join date is this month strike me as not new-player based.

Had games of real life party mafia and 200+ games on sc2mafia before I decided to try out forum mafia.

Because voting on the only wagon competing with yours when you've never expressed any suspicion of me is suuuuper townie, right? Please tell me someone else sees this is shit.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: NY 195 - D1 Seth ISO MAY 24

1. 183 -

This "clarifucation" really reads as an SK slip. Nonetheless, it is probably just worded poorly. -

0 Points

2. 646 - Derails and defends Cythefly -

I don't like this defense, simply cuz Cythefly is just prod-dodging and/or throwing random, naked accusations at players for whatever is convenient at the time. Apathy? I would think they would help more. Newbie Town? Wouldn't be throwing naked accusations around the entire time. Apathetic Newbie Town? Possibly, but I doubt it. The defense, by association, makes you look sorta bad. -

-1 Point

[/i

Boring, but short ISO.....

Total Score: -1 points
Average Score: -0.50 (-1 / 2)
Final Score: -1 (In range of -6 to 6; includes bias score of -0.5)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ircher, what are your thoughts on his 811?

[Titus]

@Seth, what is your handle on sc2?

[Ircher]

Ircher, what are your thoughts on his 811?

Wording is pretty weird again. I'd say Seth isn't intentionally misrepping you by stating you are misdirecting, but it does sound like Seth knows more than us.

[Titus]

Ircher thoughts on TBG?

[Ircher]

Nothing that sticks out to me really. I think I'm inclined to be leaning town atm, but that could change.

[Titus]

Why do you feel that way?

[Aneninen]

Soon.
Again, so little time and so many pages...

[SethYazura]

@Seth, what is your handle on sc2?

SilverWrath

2. 646 - Derails and defends Cythefly -

I don't like this defense, simply cuz Cythefly is just prod-dodging and/or throwing random, naked accusations at players for whatever is convenient at the time. Apathy? I would think they would help more. Newbie Town? Wouldn't be throwing naked accusations around the entire time. Apathetic Newbie Town? Possibly, but I doubt it. The defense, by association, makes you look sorta bad. -

-1 Point

[/i[/spoiler]

Sure, I won't mind if you tell me that Cy has the possibility of being scum, but Cy is a worser lynch target compared to other wagons, the reason to lynch him currently at the moment is quite lacking, we will get back to him later after we deal with more pressing matters.

[Aneninen]

Scum do not have mechanical day talk

BAM.
Titus is scum. With Ircher.
*dance*

I dont get that conclusion.

I don't get what you don't get. That read had existed from ETL ages before.

Dislike, dislike, dislike. Because in thread coaching would require there to be no Daytalk. Yet there is no way to determine whether scum have daytalk of not at this stage. I direct everyone to the wiki for Normal Standards …

Mafia may have daytalk without an Encryptor as long as it is announced in the game's rules beforehand.

Yes, yes, that works so in theory. But I'm quite sure I've been in games with DayTalk without any announcement.
What's more concerning is ETL assumed no DayTalk but she could have asked about it in the thread.

I don’t like this because ETL is experienced enough to easily be able to look this up without prompting. Yet he / she (yeah, no gender indication in profile … so not going to assume) is happy to just assume away. Inside info leaking out subconsciously perhaps?

Erm... you seem to know a lot about ETL. Yet you had no information that ETL's a woman.

Killthestory (no change on him)

Explain this read in detail.

I already posted about it long ago. However, having taken a quick look on the thread before catching up shows more posts from him. I'll post my current read as I've caught up with the game.

The initial stats discussion between Ircher and Shotty. It felt like artificial, forced conflict rather than genuine. Their interactions still feel off to me.

Re-checked it. I remember being concerned about that and calling it "noise". Being further from those pages in time it feels more like a thing which can happen on early pages in any game.

Not particularly, no. I scumread him but he's not in my top 3, as you can see in the reads list I posted. Additionally, a lot of my read on him is relative to Ircher/Shotty. Scumflips from either of them would make me more sure on Titus, and less if they're Town. I'd rather see them die first - they're scummy on their own and help me read Titus.

I know it's sheer intuition but this sounded scummy. I often post that reasoning as scum so that I could be open for more wagons to compromize on later.

Also, I doubt scum-Ircher would go on with those hard-to read ISOs after the general dislike he got from almost everyone because of them.
What do you all think of this?

I disagree. I think if he had stopped after we said it wasn't going to give him townpoints, it would have been a clear indication he was only doing it for townpoints.

Ghhhhhhhhhhh.
Had he stopped, he'd be scumread by you. He didn't do so, and he's... scumread by you. Regardless Of Card.

I assumed no daytalk because Titus' posts to Ircher looked like in-game coaching.

Eiao?
Shouldn't that logic have happened in the other way around?

Who else did you meta research?

Have you ever done this as Town before?

the first 4 alphabetically. I usually copy the list into excel and type notes but I get bored quickly. and yes I have done it before, when I don't have anything else to do and I'm excited about playing another game.

The first 4? Then I must be amongst the meta-ed. And you doesn't seem to engage me at all. Why?

This is just so damn overwhelming and something I need to get used to xD.

What do you need to get used to? Large games?

egg is also scum. his ISO does NOT look like town, whoever asked me that. it looks like scum trying to appease people and avoid rocking the boat.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Lynch me if you want. I can be more use later. Right now I'll just be a potato and see how the votes go

This is so scummy

Having checked your ISO I could see how few players you were actually trying to read.

the cy wagon has gotten stale of late, it's a bunch of me-toos, and a cy flip will tell us too little
the ircher wagon is the definition of a lazy wagon on probtown, buuuut it will tell us a lot based on flip, so i will abide it, HOWEVER

But you were on the Cy-wagon too!

heur only has 4 more posts than cy. If you don't like the cy wagon because the flip wouldn't tell us much, why do you want a heur wagon?

Parrotting this.

heur only has 4 more posts than cy. If you don't like the cy wagon because the flip wouldn't tell us much, why do you want a heur wagon?

i'm guessing this is rhetorical

Didn't like this answer.
Also, I'm a clever

parrot

pigeon. I don't repeat rhetorical questions.

see who jumps on, see how cy acts, see how much steam it gets, see what happens

Okay, that makes sense. And I guess you got no answers.

it's very clearly explained why i was voting cytheflyguy
it's very clearly explained why i am voting heur

Do you have a readlist?

I'm also still not a fan of the Ircher wagon. I mean, yes, the strange numbered system he has is pretty weak, but I'm pretty positive that most scum would not be so bold as to consistently post a bunch of "scored" reads that only he can understand, and insist that it's very important.

Finally, someone!
The scummiest thing I guess was the post linked right above from him. But I can see nothing scummy in those ISO-stats.

I'm becoming more sure that Zakk is town with practically almost every post.

But why?

Same with EspeciallyTheLies. That said though, I think EspeciallyTheLie's accusation of Titus teaming Ircher is kind of weak.

That's not the only thing why doubts crept in.

checking to see if I'm townread yet

nope meaning you get no content yet

Fzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
I really don't like these posts (and I could have linked anything nearby). Aronis did the same as scum with me in Netherspite's. Although he was faking a Jester. Muffinman looked similar on Day1 in a game took place ages ago. He was Mason with me.

I like how the ppl are still on my old posts, my first posts are roleplay, afterwards I made a post that is fucked up by my phone's autocorrect

Having checked your ISO I saw nothing about that autocorrect.
You seem to have been away and have hoped we'd leave your wagon. A pity it hasn't happened.

I said lynching sk as a mafia goon, not me lynching sk as a mafia goon, I did not mention who is the mafia goon, therefore it couldn't be anyone in this game.

You talked about an SK and mentioned mafia

goon

. Information instead of analysis.

At players who thought I am an sk and said the town could use me as a vig, that gave me an idea of a role that functions like an sk, but can win with any faction as long as it survives.

Whut?

This game has 21 players and thus it's completely possible that there is a second mafia or an sk in the game. Otherwise the game would be excruciatingly slow and would last two years. If the latter happens then the mod is either a nasty bastard or he completely sucks at creating a setup.

Possible =/= sure.
There are large games with one single scum faction. Firstly, Vigs can speed the things up. Secondly, if the town's playing terribly, LyLo can come much earlier.

Going on soon.
And there will be shorter catch-up posts.
I have not enough time for producing these walls. And most of you're going to be unwilling to read them.

[Aneninen]

Ircher/Shotty don't fit the description of two scum who decided on a hard distance gambit

I think I said something similar.

roleplaying in early D1

What roleplaying?

All that analysis, then quickly slaps a random vote on me without an explaination. Elaborate please.

What was not an unexplained vote.

Expedience's 658 is something we should remember later, when there are a couple of flips!

You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

And. That. Is. Not. An. Alignment. Tell.

If you want to parrot, Egg and EspeciallyTheLies are the best ones.

Why need anyone parrot Egg and ETL? Oh wait, I have an idea. Maybe because they aren't scumreading your buddies?

A newbtown's first posts almost always attract suspicion, a newbscum on the other hand, either tries to act like town as much as possible but fails to do so or he is inactive.

Pigeon poop.

I just pick a tone to play the game regardless of role and for better or worse stick with it

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Another intuitive thought, but this feels town. I'm doing the same as town many times, whereas as scum I'm much more "adaptive".

lost in the damn woods

LMFAO!

Shotty is VI town. Too aggressive compared to his scumgame, actually attempting to scumhunt

Could see Copper as scum, tries not to combat anyone, instead chooses to want to gain their support and is running for towncred really hard. Buddies up a lot with TBG a lot too

Brawl defends Copper as well, very notable, pushes BOTH Ircher and Shotty when their whole argument thing read like TvT, not SvS. Reads Titus as scum, wrong, reads Cy as scum, got newbtown vibes from them, otherwise reads are pretty ass. Could see as scum, too

Makes sense after all.

who's scum for you, haven't been reading since I don't care

Why the fuck did you join the game then, you fucking twat waffle?

that's a new one. If you keep harassing me I'll report you to the mod then ; )
I joined cuz SirCakez is mah boy but you got all these stupid ass reasons for scumreading me so I stopped caring.

Need you two do so?
On the other hand, I seriously disliked this for something else.
KillTheStory was willing to answer Titus, BUT refusing to produce GAME-content to ETL. Why the difference?
I don't remember whether ETL was posting similar things in other games before, but I do know KillTheStory's answer was weird. I mean, refusing to produce content (but still doing so by engaging Titus)

plus

talking about reporting? That doesn't add up.
Can anyone follow me?

id respond but I'm not a townread and I don't care about your opinion

Once again, you ignorant child, I haven't once said you were scum.

Adding this to the thing above.

Anyway, this isn't a teamgame. If it was a teamgame then one person wouldn't be able to hardcarry a game.

Listen, and don't take it as an offence.
Mafia IS a team game.
Your goal is to help your FACTION win, whatever it costs.

This whole story, which actually went on for a long time, looks very weird.
Why did KillTheStory get so annoyed?
Why ETL went on?
And why did Titus get involved in the story at all?
Something, I daresay, was not right there, AND I'm not talking about the contentless argument.
Yet again, can anyone follow me?

[Aneninen]

Right now, Titus is attempting to move focus onto me and deliberately mislead others who might be too lazy to actually look for themselves.

Where did that happen?
Why do you think it would work?

titus is the only one announcing me as a townread so i have to blindly follow her to victory unless someone else townreads me

Eeeeeeeew!
FYI, had you read the thread you'd know you used to be a townread of mine for a long time.

Right now, Titus is attempting to move focus onto me and deliberately mislead others who might be too lazy to actually look for themselves.

You could actually show where you scumread Ircher by himself if you think my analysis is wrong.

Your view on Ircher makesno sense.

Ircher is a noob and I cannot read them well.
Ircher is newbtown as fuck.
Titus defended Ircher so they are scumbuddies.
Vote on Ircher after Egg and I highlight that there's a wagon on Ircher and your case required Ircher scum.

Then when you are pissed of at KTS, your response is to get on the wagon we are both on?

Just wtf...

I can agree with this.
And I guess I'll be another scumread of ETL. With Titus, of course. Everyone's scum with Titus.

I like to do jokes in my comments a lot. I do it equally as any alignment. I thought I had remembered voting cy but when I rechecked my posts I couldn't find my vote, which is why I voted. Apparently I had voted and just missed it.

Is that all you can say?

VOTE: titus
i really don't like the way you say ircher is obv town. He is far from it, but you seem to know something I don't.

Pigeon poop.
There have been plenty of players hard-townreading others. Why is Titus's townread on Ircher worse?

Sorry you feel that way. I have a question for you: what do you make of KilltheStory's interaction with EspeciallytheLies in the last few pages? I'm actually reading his justification for why he plays the way he does/general tone as a towntell. Why is he scum to you?

That may or may not have been a towntell.
I've already expressed my opinion about those pages. What do you think of it?

TBG's last post was 616. You were still pushing him in 684 and 687. Yet, you say the scum read on him is stale because he began giving reasons long ago. That just doesn't add up.
VOTE: Titus

Hole found.
What a pity.
I started to move Titus to the prob-town block.

And I'm gathering that

trajectory

is the buzz word of the game...

Buzzword is a buzzword too.

Her reason for scumreading TBG no longer was valid. She was voting Ircher without a scumread on him. She accused me of being scum, with her townread, solely bc I defended him. You also highlighted inconsistencies with her votes. They make zero sense throughout the game.

Are you saying ETL's only reason for scumreading Ircher was scumreading you?

But again Titus, you and ETL were buddies at first. There are plenty of people for scum!ETL to mislynch. So, why does she turn on you? What's her motivation? Don't scum want allies?

How do you know ETL'd be a misslynch?
And I don't think every scum is to get allies.

whoops bbcode
VOTE: huer

Oh, another lazy vote. (And I saw the post above too.)

TBH tries to misdirect and change the wagon to heuristically_alone just right after Titus said we should gang him up.
Say no more Titus, VOTE: TehBrawlGuy.

Or you just jumped on your counter.
Why did you mention Titus?

Ircher, what are your thoughts on his 811?

Wording is pretty weird again. I'd say Seth isn't intentionally misrepping you by stating you are misdirecting, but

it does sound like Seth knows more than us.

See?

See?

SEE?