Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[ploben]

Spoiler:

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

no, as I'm reading chip town. you can hold onto that scum read, and I think it's rather healthy to avoid getting a consensus townread on anyone

Yeah, but check this. ploben flips on me between these two posts. He says it is on account of Townslips, but that's weak. Those have been around for ages. What really changed his mind is that I revoked the cookie I hgave him for helping on the tinfoil hat theory. When I praised him for that, we got #568; when I later said his willingness to accept the tinfoil hat theory looked scummy after all, he flipped and voted me.

that being said, if Ranger flips traitor, I'm going to flip a table, bc post 3 is bullshit in that world. ok now I'm done on the subject

Yeah, it's far fetched.

But kudos to Chip, I'm thinking he's town now

.

I think Chip just keeps pandering to everyone with these "slips" because he is being town read for them. I am reconsidering my 568, they are not looking townie or genuine. I think it's a continuation to muddy the waters. Either way, Chip's got some good interactions and associations we can look at in D2 after his flip.

VOTE: Chip Butty

fair enough

if you, me, and him happened to be in f3 right now, I'd vote him with you rather than vote you with him fwiw

just think you're both town aorn

That hurts bruh.

If it was you, me, and him in f3 the game would be over due to town winning.

[ploben]

Alright. I'll put Chip aside for D1.

[Chip Butty]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan, karnos}
{duppin, BTD6}
{Alpaca, Scott Brosius}
{Dunnstral}
{PantherPunt}
{ploben}
There ya go.

bit stale, but are these the reads that coincide with yours Chip?

Mine would prob go:
{karnos}
{Ranger}
{Shadow, Florestan*}
{
BIG GAP
}
{Scott**, BDT***, Panther}
{Dunstrall, ploben, duppen, Kiroi}

* I think he is just badTown, rather than scum
** Hasn't posted enough for me to be confident of a read
*** Need to look at him more closely.

One big diff b/w mine and Ranger's reads is duppen's position. I've already asked Ranger about that, and was 50% happy with he reply.

[ploben]

Also who are your scum reads? Besides Chip mostly. What are your thoughts on Ranger and Kuroi

Where I'm at at this point:
OK with lynching D1 = Chip, Ranger, Kuroi

[ploben]

I asked myself "Earlier Shadow didn't like Karnos and said he wanted to lynch between him and Alpaca[Kuroi], so why is his vote still parked on a player with 1 vote?" I think that is townie, scum would have jumped on a better wagon to push a mislynch.

[ploben]

VOTE: Kuroi

[Dunnstral]

I want to get Ranger but it looks like everyone else would rather get kuroi

I want to get both eventually anyway, I see a lot of people townreading Ranger without much reason to though

ploben how would you feel about voting for Ranger?

[Dunnstral]

I asked myself "Earlier Shadow didn't like Karnos and said he wanted to lynch between him and Alpaca[Kuroi], so why is his vote still parked on a player with 1 vote?" I think that is townie, scum would have jumped on a better wagon to push a mislynch.

He's lurky though

[ploben]

I asked myself "Earlier Shadow didn't like Karnos and said he wanted to lynch between him and Alpaca[Kuroi], so why is his vote still parked on a player with 1 vote?" I think that is townie, scum would have jumped on a better wagon to push a mislynch.

He's lurky though

Thanks...I don't need any help putting in more paranoid thoughts in my head about this game.

[Dunnstral]

I didn't say he was mafia

Just saying that him being parked on a useless wagon doesn't mean much and he's around null for me

[ploben]

I want to get Ranger but it looks like everyone else would rather get kuroi

I want to get both eventually anyway, I see a lot of people townreading Ranger without much reason to though

ploben how would you feel about voting for Ranger?

As I stated waaaaaaaaaay long time ago I think Alpaca could have been lurking scum and I really didn't like the way Kuroi entered this game and interacted with Panther.

Let's see what Ranger has to say about all this content since her last post.

[ploben]

I didn't say he was mafia

Just saying that him being parked on a useless wagon doesn't mean much and he's around null for me

To me it's not scummy behavior. It's not not townie.

[Dunnstral]

Let's see what Ranger has to say about all this content since her last post.

How many times does she get to do that

It doesn't matter anyway she's slipped off of suspecting Kuroi.

And regardless of whatever she has to say, I want to get her lynched (or Kuroi still) and I believe I can bring her to L-1 by tonight (assuming everyone doesn't just lurk it out)

Also I don't really... care about shadow right now I guess, if he does something good/bad later or something with substance I'll get a better read on them

[ploben]

Let's see what Ranger has to say about all this content since her last post.

How many times does she get to do that

Good point. I'm just less willing to jump on her at this point then some other players are right now without hearing her catch up.

Also, she promised a case against me so I am reserving some judgement until then also. Let's see how "original" her case is against me.

Unless of course she says she won't present her case until D1 deadline, then I'll reconsider in a more timely manner.

[Chip Butty]

Chip can you go on about that "Ranger <---> Dunnstral" after all and tell me why you're not voting Ranger from that? Or even suspecting her

Yeah, but I need to take a break. My read of Ranger could well change significantly after I do it. She seemed so much more...verbose...than usual, and more defensive than I have seen her, too, I think. Those were just casual first impressions, though.

[Dunnstral]

Half the reason I want to bring Ranger to L-1 is because she'd be forced to give her reasoning/cases.

[Chip Butty]

Good point. I'm just less willing to jump on her at this point then some other players are right now without hearing her catch up.

'Look at me being The Voice Of Reason". That's Townish, right?'

Also, she promised a case against me so I am reserving some judgement until then also. Let's see how "original" her case is against me.

HUH??? If you were Town, you would have to know her case sucked in advance, because you would know it had to be wrong. So, you're waiting to see if she will be wrong in an original way? Would that make you see her as more Town, or more scum?

[Dunnstral]

Also Panther I'm interested in your townlean on Florestan

[PantherPunt]

825 gives me some pause on ploben bc he was voting and scum reading chip and says that. Then decides to shelf him (not town read him) so 825 is weird.

Chip- you can read someone town even if they incorrectly read you as scum. you just have to determine if you think they believe, truly believe, what they are selling. Having original points and perspectives that show critical thinking rather than parroting what others have already said is a component of that. 841 is a silly post

Dunn- it has to do with one particular post and I'll divulge after I get a chance to live interact with ranger. Hoping to do so tonight prior to or after the Pens game

[PantherPunt]

Dunn if kuroi is scum doesn't that do a lot for shadow? Their interaction looked not wolf/wolf. More for alpacas side of the interaction than shadow's

[Florestan]

Chip why exactly are you townreading Ranger?

[ploben]

825 gives me some pause on ploben bc he was voting and scum reading chip and says that. Then decides to shelf him (not town read him) so 825 is weird.

You're town reading Chip therefore Chip is town in your final 3 scenario. I know I'm town so therefore a ploben, Panther, Chip final 3 = town win.

[Chip Butty]

Chip- you can read someone town even if they incorrectly read you as scum. you just have to determine if you think they believe, truly believe, what they are selling. Having original points and perspectives that show critical thinking rather than parroting what others have already said is a component of that. 841 is a silly post

Would it have hurt so very much to let the guy answer for himself? This looks like scum jumping in to save a scumbuddy before he says something stupid.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn if kuroi is scum doesn't that do a lot for shadow? Their interaction looked not wolf/wolf. More for alpacas side of the interaction than shadow's

Didn't really see that but honestly I haven't looked at shadow for a while

[Dunnstral]

Chip- you can read someone town even if they incorrectly read you as scum. you just have to determine if you think they believe, truly believe, what they are selling. Having original points and perspectives that show critical thinking rather than parroting what others have already said is a component of that. 841 is a silly post

Would it have hurt so very much to let the guy answer for himself? This looks like scum jumping in to save a scumbuddy before he says something stupid.

You're confbiasing everything