Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[JaeReed]

iron is playing somewhere between Not_Mafia and bacde levels. I'm fine with the dude.

@GM do we have actual newbies here anymore?

[JaeReed]

@JaeReed:

I'd almost prefer Accountant over DDD because I think if DDD is town then Accountant is whiteknighting.

From your signature:

"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux

You know damn well why town WK other town. Why are you pretending that WKing is something only scum does?

It's more the way you're approaching the WK than the fact that you're doing it, though. Like I can't see a reason for DDD to be town for you? Have you played with him before?

[copper223]

Like, I try SO HARD to be patient and kind in Newbie games, because A. I know they can't help it and B. it's the first thing they see when they come to the site and I don't want to discourage people, but seriously, F U C K.

I am sorry if you're really frustrated with me on a personal level, I think we would do better to avoid each other at least in newbies.

[copper223]

It's more the way you're approaching the WK than the fact that you're doing it, though. Like I can't see a reason for DDD to be town for you? Have you played with him before?

I've been browsing accountant's games and I don't see a lot of WKing, did he WK a lot in the games he played with you?

[JaeReed]

It's more the way you're approaching the WK than the fact that you're doing it, though. Like I can't see a reason for DDD to be town for you? Have you played with him before?

I've been browsing accountant's games and I don't see a lot of WKing, did he WK a lot in the games he played with you?

I've only played with Accountant once where they were scum. Accountant's game there was to hard bus both buddies with a rigid tunnel.

[goodmorning]

@GM do we have actual newbies here anymore?

Absolutely! Nearly every time I IC I find myself giving advice like "just do your best" and "don't worry about looking Town, it'll shine through."

@copper: I really don't think it's just me at this point.

[JaeReed]

@GM do we have actual newbies here anymore?

Absolutely! Nearly every time I IC I find myself giving advice like "just do your best" and "don't worry about looking Town, it'll shine through."

@copper: I really don't think it's just me at this point.

Yeah I know we have them like, in general, but I meant in this game.

Wish I'd been maf. This is boring.

Anyway, do you think it's an incorrect assumption to make that you would be less pissed at copper if you were mafia here since you'd just decide to nightkill him and be done? Or is that not how you operate? I want an easy way to read you. I have an easy way to read copper later on in the game so I'm just waiting on that....if we're both alive that long.

[copper223]

@GM
If others have problems with me we can discuss them post game.

I hate to be a sucker but your post seemed genuine and we've had problems once already so it's more likely that the two of us just don't match up well and it has nothing to do with our alignments and that's why I mentioned it now.

I also came here to teach some newer players how fun mafia can be and if you being annoyed with me is impacting how you treat newbies it is worth my while to try and mitigate that as much as possible.

Unless scum is not playing to their wincon however one or more of you three is behaving this way (partially) because of the alignment they rolled.

[copper223]

I have an easy way to read copper later on in the game so I'm just waiting on that....if we're both alive that long.

I hear you, this game it's even easier, every non scum flip in Accountant / DDD / GM makes the chance that I am scum increase and if all three are town you should go ahead and assume I'm scum (cause I truly deserve to lose in that case, it would also mean scum are the newbies which I wouldn't mind that much losing to or it involves you and this post is pointless ).

Conversely it's a well known fact that I hate and almost never buss my teammates, I would never dream of doing so D1, so if one of them flips scum I am the closest thing you have to confirmed.

[goodmorning]

@copper: We should probably ignore each other for a while then.

@Jae: RE: Newbs: In this game? Nah.

RE: copper: I probably wouldn't NK him as Scum because if he doesn't get lynched today, that gives me a convenient place to put my vote tomorrow. Also: as Scum, the frustration would mostly be fake.
I mean, it's not like there'd be no reason to kill him - he causes some damage to my credibility among people who agree with him - but he'd be more useful alive.

RE: An easy way to read me: There isn't really one. The way I express emotion might apply a little bit but it usually takes a few games before the differences are discernible.

[GuiltyLion]

so I've swung fully around to town!Jae

I could do DDD today, but only after I see what comes out of this:

I should probably re-evaluate my read on you with this in mind and see if I still think you're scum.

[Accountant]

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

NO I SAID THOSE GUYS ARE SCUMMIER THAN DDD THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SCUMREAD THEM

[Accountant]

The REASON for me WKing DDD is because he is TOWN and he is TOWN because of SIMPLE POE

[Dragonfire]

@GM do we have actual newbies here anymore?

Absolutely! Nearly every time I IC I find myself giving advice like "just do your best" and "don't worry about looking Town, it'll shine through."

@copper: I really don't think it's just me at this point.

Yeah I know we have them like, in general, but I meant in this game.

I don't think so, but whoever replaces MaidMarian might be a newbie.

I have an easy way to read copper later on in the game so I'm just waiting on that....if we're both alive that long.

I hear you, this game it's even easier, every non scum flip in Accountant / DDD / GM makes the chance that I am scum increase and if all three are town you should go ahead and assume I'm scum (cause I truly deserve to lose in that case, it would also mean scum are the newbies which I wouldn't mind that much losing to or it involves you and this post is pointless ).

Conversely it's a well known fact that I hate and almost never buss my teammates, I would never dream of doing so D1, so if one of them flips scum I am the closest thing you have to confirmed.

Yeah, me too. It's not that well known since I've only played on game as scum here, but I don't do bussing unless my teammate is basically doomed and it's inevitable that he/she will be lynched that day.

so I've swung fully around to town!Jae

I could do DDD today, but only after I see what comes out of this:

I should probably re-evaluate my read on you with this in mind and see if I still think you're scum.

Well, I've been through his ISO and looked at various posts again, and to be honest I'm still leaning scum on him. While I did like his explanation of the townread on drealmerz, I feel that an experienced scum could just have thought that up eventually. The fact that he never explained it earlier (which could have prevented the whole debacle) might mean that he was struggling to come up with a reason, as scum. So my vote will stay where it is, because I really can't see who else I'd lynch today other than him.

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

NO I SAID THOSE GUYS ARE SCUMMIER THAN DDD THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SCUMREAD THEM

But you said you don't actually townread DDD, you think he's town by PoE. The use of "PoE" implies that anyone who you find scummier than him you actually scumread; that is what PoE means.

[Accountant]

I am ELIMINATING DDD from my scumlist because scum is in the LIST OF PEOPLE scummier than him

[Dragonfire]

I am ELIMINATING DDD from my scumlist because scum is in the LIST OF PEOPLE scummier than him

Okay, that makes more sense than what you said before.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Well, I've been through his ISO and looked at various posts again, and to be honest I'm still leaning scum on him. While I did like his explanation of the townread on drealmerz, I feel that an experienced scum could just have thought that up eventually. The fact that he never explained it earlier (which could have prevented the whole debacle) might mean that he was struggling to come up with a reason, as scum. So my vote will stay where it is, because I really can't see who else I'd lynch today other than him.

Hey you know that thing I was basing my case on, I was wrong but despite a lack of evidence here's some slander because I'm too lazy to put in real helpful effort.

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@mod:

we could really use that replacement we were promised.

[Accountant]

Its the replacements fault no gifs fault imo

[goodmorning]

Dragon keeps not following up on anything I say & it's bothering me.

[Dragonfire]

Dragon keeps not following up on anything I say & it's bothering me.

Give me some examples. Why should I be following up on things you say when you just say "I think Dragon's scum" with no reasons.

[goodmorning]

Just from recently:

I was kind of ignoring that whole thing because I thought it was silly, can someone give me a quick summary?

Read DDD's first "catch-up" post and then his replies to copper after that. He basically quoted a lot of posts and then gave seemingly random reads at the conclusion of his post (for instance he said he townread drealmerz solely based off drealmerz's joke "Banana Split" post). I could see it being a joke, but he maintains that he was being serious. See copper's below post:

No Jae, the first post that DDD makes and then his reply when I accuse him of selecting posts that don't match the reads that he gives at the end.

Yeah, no, that's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. Idk about you, but I can see (or at least make an educated guess) where his reads are coming from. Like, that's how catch-ups work; you quote things that seem important and/or you want to respond to especially. You can't quote every single post because it would be a waste of everyone's time.

People who are scummier than DDD:

GM, dragon, copper, iron, drealmerz(close but slightly scummier)

It's absolutely batshit insane to lynch DDD while all five of these people still breathe oxygen

So you only have two townreads, GL and Jae, and you scumread everybody else??

ugh, not you too

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Don't forget the part where my initial post is scummy for not explaining everything in minute detail and then when it's explained logically suddenly I just made up those reasons despite the fact that I pretty clearly was willing to go to the mat for the post. So the argument is that as scum, I made up a bunch of nonsense, then instead of treating it as a joke defended that nonsense aggressively, and only later came up with exact reasons that match my initial post. For reasons, I really can't fathom what advantage I would gain from doing this but motivations don't matter in dragon-world. Oh wait, the reason is that Dragon doesn't want to break the wagon he's on despite it going from bad to shite.

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Its the replacements fault no gifs fault imo

No, he properly replaced dreal, then the replacement flaked/dreal showed up again but that was a week ago. Even if he gave dreal the benefit of the doubt about him not flaking again he should've worked to replace him three days ago when it was clear that he'd flaked... again.

[Accountant]

Everyone give me their reads on Jae please.

[Accountant]

Literally cannot sort them

[goodmorning]

Jae is Town.