Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

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VOTE: hiplop

[Gammagooey]

I'm legitimately sorry for how many posts are in here but the best way I can describe why I think DS is likely town is through a kind of general overview of how I've seen his play this game. The quoted posts should be fairly skimmable aside from the last chunk with Imperium though.

It really looks like DS was legitimately trying to scumhunt and actually progress people's reads early day 1 especially, but that sort of blunt, <this is exactly why I did this thing or think this thing> mindset I think continues throughout the game. Early day 2 when he's disagreeing with Magna, he's a bit combatative and the tone of his statement there reads to me 'I think my vote's better than yours but eh you could be right too' and his posting right afterwards shows that exact same mindset. It just feels like he's being genuine with his reads and comments and not really giving a shit about irritating people or looking scummy along the way.

The interactions he has with Imperium I think make more sense with him as town than scum when looking at the whole too. individually, I could see the posts there as being between two scumbuddies, but when looked at as a whole it really seems like Imperium is willing to flip onto DS at a moment's notice if it looks like it got serious traction, and I don't think Imperium would have wanted to give nearly as much attention to a scumbuddy as he did here.

Spoiler: one of the early pages with DS

@Kuroi

If you argued that I didn't make a scumslip (yes, I know arguing is a bit of a misnomer), then why would you vote for me?

Correction please. If you were voting for me, then why would you bother arguing that I didn't scumslip.

Are you one of those "everything has to be for a specific reason" peoppe

No. It's just that, if there's a reason, I want it to make sense.

Which in my head is throwing off red flags because why as early as Day 1 do we need to have anyone make any claims to even begin discussion on who is scummy or not.

So, your thoughts are that DS is scum trying to seem like he's doing something while not scumhunting?

Especially after getting on to Grib for not wanting to RVS and then claiming to be Facetous after people start to get onto him.

Does DS not come across as sarcastic in that post to you? The vote is immediately followed up with this:

Trust me. This is a 100% solid fact. I would never lie to you. Mostly because I'm town, but also because lying should be done as sparingly as possible.

Does this read as something that he needs to backtrack on?

Grib, from what I've read so far just seems to be defending himself from DS' attacks onto him for not wanting to RVS.

How are you reading him from this conclusion.

Cheetory, why do you think that KDowns has thrown such a poorly made chainsaw defense at me over my episode with Grib?

Objection. The prosecution is leading the witness.

Sustained.

Mr. Cheetory. Why would KDowns have felt the desire to make

a

chainsaw defense against me, in the defense of Gribs?

Because, as we all know, this is very blatantly a chainsaw defense.

I'm not accusing him of partnering. I'm accusing him of trying to garner a cult of personality. Or a harem. Either way, he's trying to wedge his way into a townbloc that isn't even a thing yet.

Of course, they could both be scum, but that's just ridiculous.

Spoiler: later d1

Can we hurry up and lynch this kid. I could really use a new day.

Can we hurry up and lynch this kid. I could really use a new day.

This is suspicious. Wanting to lynch this "kid" means that you can have another day OR maybe avoid this lynch so that you can kill this night huh?

Neither.

It's so that we can get out of fucking day 1. I hate D1 with a fiery passion. It's 100% speculation.

Spoiler: late d1 and d2

In all honesty, it's because Ceph's attitude is really pissing me off so I want him out.

1. It was an RVS vote.

2. I didn't say that you were a terrible person or swear at you.

3. Your attitude was (and sorta kinda still is) pretty terrible.

Interesting.

VOTE: keyenpeydee

(Hiplop dies later. keyen gets rope right now)

Interesting. VOTE: keyenpeydee(Hiplop dies later. keyen gets rope right now)

Not unless you are claiming Night actions he doesn't.

Key can be lynched at any time. hiplop is like that frustrating mold that takes tons of work to clear out. Just look at Firebringer's recent Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy. We need as many not-scum alive as possible to take care of this mold infestation. The longer he lingers the more effective his partners will be in keeping him alive.

How about this. Both of us leave our mostly naked votes, and see which one the rest of the town likes best.

How about this. Both of us leave our mostly naked votes, and see which one the rest of the town likes best.

Nope. I gave in to letting Town and scum come together for a god-awful mislynch yesterday behind the leadership of Imperiuym and I'm done letting Town be led around blindly.

Why were you so eager to hammer a player who was obviously Town yesterday BTW?

Eh, at that point, I figured I might have been misreading them, so I didn't really care.

But I am quite confident in the murder of keyen being a good thing.


Also, I elect that I be the next town leader. Follow me blindly plox.

Spoiler: IMPERIUM WORDS this is enormous and im sorry

Vote: DiamondSentinel

Why are you asking negative utility roles to out when it's a part of the meta that you want to change?

and i think this is the only player that i've played with that this holds true for
if i have a bunch of townreads elsewhere that i feel good about then sure it's snarky time but otherwise probably not, regardless of case

Can you read me, Nacho/Tammy (I don't know which one this is). I don't think you can. Very few can read me consistently.

this is something that many people have also said before
it doesn't often hold true, though

Oh yes. This has been the general trend of conversation, Imperium.

who is your current pick for scum?

Also the Snarky wagon dissipating on Nachos cute but irrelevant “Oh, no-one can read him” tale I think will be a great place to start looking for bussers who hopped at the first sign of an easy exit.

@Imperium – why are you ignoring my question about Tammy’s participation in the hydra?

My cute but irrelevant tale is why I personally am not voting him at this point in time; I've also responded to your case and where I felt it went wrong, so if you're looking to actually talk why you think that Snarky is scum with me, I'd recommend that as a good jumping off point.

I didn't ignore your question about Tammy's participation; if the question is "why hasn't she posted yet?" she hasn't participated yet because she is also sick and starting her new semester next week, and thus her priorities lie there.

Can we hurry up and lynch this kid. I could really use a new day.

This is suspicious. Wanting to lynch this "kid" means that you can have another day OR maybe avoid this lynch so that you can kill this night huh?

Neither.

It's so that we can get out of fucking day 1. I hate D1 with a fiery passion. It's 100% speculation.

I'd argue that your posts have been mostly speculation and nothing but and I expected a bit more from you by now, but I suppose I don't actually remember playing a game with you from the start, so meh.

You played Machina mafia with me.

And you should recognize that my behavior lines up almost exactly with that game.

i don't remember your behavior from Machina, all I remember is a townread that I don't really have here although that could be in part to not really reading the entire day. I don't think that your scumhunting has been anything impressive or memorable (your vote on camntsuki is a holdover from RVS, right?), you've been quick to chime in on useless conversations but nothing that seems like it could possibly be going anywhere. I'm willing to give you time since the paranoia will inevitably set in if you're town.

Ok. That self-vote deserves a lynch with fire.


Town should NEVER EVER SELF VOTE.

should never =/= don't ever

I'm going to let you guys have your fun for the rest of the day. I will only vote to hammer (so don't take someone to L-1 if you don't want them dead).

Why? Tbh I don't even trust you to be the one to Hammer.


Also tbh I am reading Hip town. Then again last time I played with Hip was years ago.

also gotta say i'm liking this kdowns post

@Farside:

These are some examples of DS posts that I was talking about in that paragraph on him.

@MoI

Setup speculation typically works well. Shos' game was an entirely different situation (and still bullshit. It was borderline bastard. "You are unable to be killed [except by these sources which you have no idea about]". There's a difference between swingy and lying to people)

Additionally, there are a variety of situations that Farside's claim could turn up badly. One that I'm thinking of is a ludicrous claim that she then points back to it and says "see, I was already talking about it from day 1" (I don't know exactly how it would work. I'm quite terrible at lying or figuring out ways in which someone would lie in some made-up, hypothetical situation)

This is talking about you (who claimed you had a flavor that might be contrary to expectations). As scum, I don't think it takes an extraordinary amount of effort to talk about how maybe your Negative Utility Claim that wasn't a negative utility claim at all (but if there's an expectation for him to be active I can see him filling up his posts with stuff like this), whereas I don't understand why he's talking about it now as town when he's continually reminded us that he will be alive Day 3/4 (and thus isn't worried about dying before rooting this out).

Man, this wagon really doesn't have any resistance.

And hadn't it popped up in like two days?

We need a counter wagon...

This is an extraordinarily weak resistance to a wagon that wasn't particularly driven in the first place; the picture that I have in my mind when reading this post is the Snarky wagon being a small child pushing around one of those toy mowers with the plastic balls bouncing around and DiamondSentinel being a drunk parent on the front lawn mumbling something unintelligible to himself before passing out yet again, and is a good example of what I mean by "active, present, but not really giving a fuck". He's around. He's commenting on it. But it's pretty clear to me that it doesn't care.

and i think this is the only player that i've played with that this holds true for
if i have a bunch of townreads elsewhere that i feel good about then sure it's snarky time but otherwise probably not, regardless of case

Can you read me, Nacho/Tammy (I don't know which one this is). I don't think you can. Very few can read me consistently.

And then instead of commenting on the Snarky wagon, DS just wants to know whether we can read him or not.
Who cares? What does this have to do with anything going on in the thread right now?

Yeah, time to start playing. You've had a slight issue with this in both games I've been in with you (and I don't really care about your excuse for it)

I mean, I am playing?

"You don't play mafia the way I think everyone should play it, therefore you aren't playing it."

You know what happens when everyone spams up the thread with incoherent walls of shit? The game becomes massively unfun.

So I'll leave that to you while I both don't shit up the thread and end up with better reads than you (assuming you are, in fact, town, which I'm not particularly compelled to believe at this point).

Actually, I was more talking about how you have an issue with lurking. Not like PV does. But still, it's an issue at times (again, don't care about the reasons)

I'm not sure whether to respond with condescending snark or actual content, so you get both.

1) And I'm still a better player than you. What does that say about your spamming up the thread every fucking game
2) A certain portion of the game needs to lurk at various parts of the game, especially in a large. Lurking with 5-7 people left? Yeah, problem. Lurking because it's day 1 of a large game and people are spamming everywhere and you want day 1 to not hit 100 pages

again

? Correct.

Not to mention contextual lurking based on PR-play and mixups for PR play, but I don't really think you have the nuance to employ those tactics so I'll leave it at that.

I thought you said you were going to be snarky. Not facetious. The fact that you would put 2 completely different playstyles up beside each other and said objectively that one is better than the other is ridiculous. I won't get into why it's ridiculous now, but expect a nice long rant post-game.

Also, you lurking will not stop a game from reaching 100 pages on its own. If it's going to reach that far, then give content so that people can actually read you. Cool? Cool.

This is the "BRO, produce content so I can read you!" post. It was a strange post for him to make because while he has been posting a lot, sure, but actual content or even questioning that he's produced has been pretty close to absent.

[Gammagooey]

@Aris- Why are you voting DS now, especially right after I JUST asked people to give actual reasons for why they think DS is scum and said I wanted to make sure that people weren't voting DS just because it seemed inevitable? Can you at least unvote until people actually have a chance to go over the posts I've made about him?

@hiplop- ^that plus why do you think nacho was framing snarky in particular?

[DiamondSentinel]

Haha! Thanks for reminding me of the good ol posts! That one where I was mocking ceph(?) and said "this wagon has no resistance" and that sorta thing literally right after he said nobody should say that, and then everyone took it seriously. That was comedy gold!

[Firebringer]

You were wrong about Snarky. Hey, guess what? You're wrong about me too.

I was right about snarky, so whats that mean?

[DiamondSentinel]

It was a collective thing. The town in general was wrong. And still is b

[Firebringer]

It was a collective thing. The town in general was wrong. And still is b

And the collective is now on hiplop, so what you have to say to that?

[DiamondSentinel]

No, I still have more. 5 on me, 4 on hip, iirc

[DiamondSentinel]

Ok, FB. You need to unvote right now. Regardless of my status in your mind, I'm at L-1, which could make for "accidental" hammer.

[Firebringer]

What are you talking about?
You are at L-2

No one is accidentally hammering anyone.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer bullshit. I

My shit doesn't smell like bull for the record.
It smells like dandelions that were covered in dog shit.

But not bulls.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI's hammer post on snarky where he makes an excuse for hammering him saying HEY IF YOU'RE TOWN OH WELL is so so bad

So let me get this straight - after spending the day pushing on my stronger scum-reads (Bro, kdowns, hiplop) with Day deadline looming within a RL day I hammered someone I had a scum read on Day 1 and expressing doubt that it might be a Town flip is scummy?

Again you look to be stretching for anything think you can label as scummy as opposed to actually looking at context.

Let's talk about Transcend's hammer Day 1 on his claimed Town-read that he did to "shut everyone up". I don't recall you calling that scummy ever. Can you link to me where I might have missed that because if you think my hammer on Snarky is "so bad" I'm curious why you aren't after Transcend for that particular play.

[DiamondSentinel]

What are you talking about?
You are at L-2

No one is accidentally hammering anyone.

Nobody has unvoted, hiplop and Arist voted me. I'm at 6 votes. l-1.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: DS
#YOLO

Yeah speaking of terrible posts ...

@Aristo

- I know you lurk as scum. I had to yell at you in the Princess Bride QT for doing so. Why exactly should I not think you are scum here?

[Firebringer]

MoI's hammer post on snarky where he makes an excuse for hammering him saying HEY IF YOU'RE TOWN OH WELL is so so bad

So let me get this straight - after spending the day pushing on my stronger scum-reads (Bro, kdowns, hiplop) with Day deadline looming within a RL day I hammered someone I had a scum read on Day 1 and expressing doubt that it might be a Town flip is scummy?

Again you look to be stretching for anything think you can label as scummy as opposed to actually looking at context.

Let's talk about Transcend's hammer Day 1 on his claimed Town-read that he did to "shut everyone up". I don't recall you calling that scummy ever. Can you link to me where I might have missed that because if you think my hammer on Snarky is "so bad" I'm curious why you aren't after Transcend for that particular play.

Good points.
I don't think either hammer was terrible other than we didn't lynch ds yesterday

Snarky was a complete repeat of Waco

[DiamondSentinel]

And DS will be a complete repeat of both if you let it happen.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And DS will be a complete repeat of both if you let it happen.

Repeatedly light AtEing isn't going to get players who are already voting you to unvote you.

Instead of this why aren't you making more of an effort to push for a scum read to be lynched?

[Medical Junkies]

VOTE: DS
#YOLO

Yeah speaking of terrible posts ...

@Aristo

- I know you lurk as scum. I had to yell at you in the Princess Bride QT for doing so. Why exactly should I not think you are scum here?

Stole the words out of my mouth. I've also found him completely predictable as evidence in Buzzfeed Mafia and... another Mafia game I can't quite remember.

Unfortunately, I think you jumped too quickly pulling out that card. It became Day Three... yesterday. You ruined your chances to optimize the effectiveness of that statement.

-K

[DiamondSentinel]

And DS will be a complete repeat of both if you let it happen.

Repeatedly light AtEing isn't going to get players who are already voting you to unvote you.

Instead of this why aren't you making more of an effort to push for a scum read to be lynched?

Because I'm at the point where I sincerely doubt that anyone who didn't vote hiplop after that flip will ever vote him.

[Grib]

If I had a double vote, they'd be on Gammagooey and hiplop.

[Cephrir]

I don't think both of those players being scum is likely!

I might change to hippo.

[Firebringer]

Replace hiplop with DS and I agree with you Grib.

[Firebringer]

And DS will be a complete repeat of both if you let it happen.

Repeatedly light AtEing isn't going to get players who are already voting you to unvote you.

Instead of this why aren't you making more of an effort to push for a scum read to be lynched?

This is why DS is scum btw.

[Eleven]

Vote Count 3.02 aka I repeated Jackie Chan bc im tired

[6] DiamondSentinel ~ BROseidon, Medical Junkies, Firebringer, Cephrir, hiplop, Aristophanes
[4] hiplop ~ DiamondSentinel, MagnaofIllusion, SnowStorm, Transcend
[1] Gammagooey ~ Grib
[1] MagnaofIllusion ~ Gammagooey

[1] Not Voting ~ Zulfy

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2016-09-20 12:00:00).

[Medical Junkies]

You know what L-1 means, right?

(YES! PAGE-BOTTOM!)