New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[inspectorscout]

Probably both.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I still don't think mhsmith is scummy enough independetly for him to be this day's lynch. He's prob scum sooner or later due to poe or associations but I still think the plan for today should be to lynch the scummiest independent player, we need a scum flip to start scumhunting not pulling out pairings or ruiling out pairings from thin air.

[inspectorscout]

You. Me. PT.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My man I'll be there when I get home from work.

I want to see convincing blood god sacrifice candidate.

[inspectorscout]

I already showed you our next blood sacrifice, and it's gonna be real scummy red blood.

Let's complete the ritual after I get some sleep.

[Dunnstral]

Dadadadadadadadadada

[pieguyn]

pieguy continues to push any pair that isn't her own, and throws shade at my choices for the lynch and casts doubt on them.

this is such disingenuous garbage. again - I've explained exactly what my issue is with the way he's approaching his lynch plan and his read on my pair in general, and he ignores what I'm posting in the game thread to push this because he isn't trying to sort me or look at my posts in any way that assesses motivation, he's designated me as a scum read and has to invent surface-level reasons to push me (because thinking that my strongest scum read being scum clears my partner is oh so scummy, and so is pointing out that his reaction to me/Kagami's discussion is exactly what he would need to do to win as scum...)

HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THIS IS TOWN???

[pieguyn]

Dunn is playing a very textbook "be hyper-active and rely on the fact that if you flood the thread with posts and don't look transparently awful, you'll be able to drown everyone else out and people will accept your reads without thinking critically about them" scum game.

[pieguyn]

I continue to want Dunn dead today, because not only does he work in practically every configuration of the game, his play this game day has been really disingenuous and I think him flipping scum completely breaks the game.

I would probably leave if he was to flip town (which I have said in the game thread already - add this to the list of reasons his "lel pie is attempting to lynch every pair besides her own" is disingenuous), the question is what happens from there since I do not feel too good about our odds of winning in that gamestate unless we can get everyone to agree *now*. I would still say if it was just based on my reads, Jester and Parama next and leave SAD/scout to the end, but...

/sigh

[pieguyn]

I still think *if* Dunn is town, {Jester, MDS} and Parama would be scum along with mhsmith solely because of how strongly *all of them* have been opposed to the Kagami-me plan which leaves SAD/scout alive on a Dunn town flip. I would like if people who think that it would be too "next-level" for Dunn to try to get a hypothetical T/T Jester/MDS pair into 4p with him (despite them being easily outplayable) to tell me why the fuck people like mhsmith and Parama would keep resisting the plan and insisting on a SAD lynch right now instead of accepting the Kagami-me plan which would win for them if SAD was to be scum - what makes more sense to me is that they're hoping to get SAD out of the way now because they realize it'll be harder to do so the later the game goes.

there's also that they just fit together really well in general, which is where I was at right at the start of this game day.

[pieguyn]

I also think MDS actually stands a pretty reasonable chance of being the scum in the Jester pair, although I am not sure.

[Dunnstral]

I would probably leave if he was to flip town (which I have said in the game thread already - add this to the list of reasons his "lel pie is attempting to lynch every pair besides her own" is disingenuous)

ok. And I'd leave if both of you flipped town.

[Dunnstral]

I still think *if* Dunn is town, {Jester, MDS}

This is what I'm talking about

Pie said she'd follow what I said but tries to undermine me at every turn because she can't let the jester-mds pair get through.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is playing a very textbook "be hyper-active and rely on the fact that if you flood the thread with posts and don't look transparently awful, you'll be able to drown everyone else out and people will accept your reads without thinking critically about them" scum game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1

[Dunnstral]

list goes on btw I stopped there

[pieguyn]

I still think *if* Dunn is town, {Jester, MDS}

This is what I'm talking about

Pie said she'd follow what I said but tries to undermine me at every turn because she can't let the jester-mds pair get through.

I have never, ever, EVER said I would follow what you said.

I have said that if Kagami and you were to come to an agreement that Jester pair should be the remaining pair, I would accept that conclusion. I have said that if you were to provide a compelling-enough argument for the SAD/Parama crossbus universe, I would accept that. I have never said that I would just go and follow you if you were to flip town, and moreover, I have explicitly said in a post that was specifically a response *to you* that I didn't care to follow the plan you provided because it relied on just blindly trusting you and hoping for the best.

Moreover - the way I'm approaching this game day should be thoroughly obvious to anyone who has been reading my posts. I care about objectivity. I care about figuring out a way to win the game that is *not* reliant on "trusting" the reads or alignments of any specific player/pair. I have explicitly, again in a post that was specifically a response to you, said that this is what Kagami and I were attempting to do.

There is no way you would ever say this if you had read my posts at all. You are being blatantly disingenuous towards me and you are not attempting to read and analyze my posts based on what they actually contain, you continue to spin this narrative about my posts based on things that I have not said or done and hope that if you just push it hard enough people will accept it as truth without actually going back and reading it.

Dunn is playing a very textbook "be hyper-active and rely on the fact that if you flood the thread with posts and don't look transparently awful, you'll be able to drown everyone else out and people will accept your reads without thinking critically about them" scum game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1

I'm aware that you're a hyper-active player as town. I am saying that you are playing a scum strategy that a lot of hyper-active town players play (and are capable of playing) as scum: be hyper-active in the same way you are as town, but instead of actually reading and analyzing and thinking about what is going on in the game, abuse your hyper-activity to spin a narrative and flood the thread with posts so that everything else gets drowned out and no one realizes what you're saying is false/disingenuous.

Which, no surprise, is what you just did in the above post.

[Dunnstral]

I have never, ever, EVER said I would follow what you said.

for the record, when I said I was OK with Dunn picking the lynch order, I meant if Dunn/Kagami left and dictated it posthumously.

[Dunnstral]

but instead of actually reading and analyzing and thinking about what is going on in the game

Which I've been doing in spades, by the way. Both in thread and in my pt

[pieguyn]

That falls under "I would accept whatever conclusion you/Kagami agree on". It is nowhere near me saying I'd just follow you.

There isn't any way you would not know that if you had read the surrounding context of the post, and if what has happened since then is any indication, Kagami still does not agree with you that Jester is the town pair, she still agrees with me that SAD is the town pair.

[Dunnstral]

No. Because your pair is the first to die. You're trying to muddy the waters now and wifom it up so they pick wrong between sad/scout and Jester/mds.

[Dunnstral]

That falls under "I would accept whatever conclusion you/Kagami agree on".

Is that what you said, or is that what you wanted to have said?

Because it's certainly not what you said. Just saying "context" doesn't change that

[pieguyn]

That falls under "I would accept whatever conclusion you/Kagami agree on".

Is that what you said, or is that what you wanted to have said?

Because it's certainly not what you said. Just saying "context" doesn't change that

... Holy fuck, you cannot be serious.

I literally said "Dunn/Kagami" in that post. The next time I brought it up was 4852 (where I say I'd be ok with Jester/MDS being the endgame pair...) and then 4857 (...if Kagami/you were to agree on it).

You are not attempting to form a read on me. You are just attempting to argue semantics and make excuses here.

[pieguyn]

Even all of that is discounting the fact that it's blatantly apparent that my approach to this this entire game day has been to work with Kagami and measure our reads against each other's until we come to an agreement about what gamestate we're in.

Your angle here is disingenuous as fuck.

[Dunnstral]

You are not attempting to form a read on me.

5000 posts in with 3 days to deadline and my pair set to suicide

You're right, I'm not trying to form new reads at this point. I've figured it out and they're proving themselves.

[Dunnstral]

Your angle here is disingenuous as fuck.

Which one? my "flood the thread angle without solving anything"?

Seems like you're the one who's disingenuous, lady pieguy.