Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[WhemeStar]

WM's partner would probably be Miles in this scenario, because if you look at ISO he kind of defends WM a lot.

I find in newbie games scum tend to try to avoid talking about their partner

[WhemeStar]

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Also IDK if anyone knows this, but recently I found out that highlighting the one piece you want to quote of a post and then clicking the quote button will quote only the highlighted section

[WhemeStar]

Off to work for 6 hours.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2.4

This luminously white variety of Morning Glory is actually called a Moon flower. Regular Morning Glories follow the sun as it appears to move across the sky. I wonder if this variety does too.

WhemeStar

(2): WhyMafia, PersephoneSidekick

WhyMafia

(2): RadiantCowbells, WhaleBarnicle

Not Voting

(4): King Cankles, Miles Edgeworth, WhemeStar

Deadline: July 23 Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- King Cankles has been prodded.
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[RadiantCowbells]

UR VOTECOUNT IS MESSED UP

also UNVOTE: for a bit

[fferyllt]

The vote counter didn't correctly recognize some abbreviations. I think it's fixed now.

[PersephoneSidekick]

I kind of have no idea what's going on anymore but whatever here's my reads list.

RC: Confirmed town. Moving on.

Whale: Was towny yesterday; keeping up the same attitudes and activities now. Almost too towny really :p

Cankles: No data since yesterday, default to my previous townread. Reactions to wagon yesterday were town despair not scum despair.

Miles: I don't know if he has a scummy tone or a towny tone, but he sure has a Tone. I wish this wasn't his first game so I could know if he always talks like this. Analysis looks good but he kind of looks like he's showing off? Works out to slightly scummy I think. Really wish I had meta.

WM: RC's opinion counts for something. Tone looks increasingly bad to me but that's probably me being impressionable so I'll just fold it into RC. Other than that, no evidence really. Scummier than most other people I guess.

Wheme: Flippant votes, opportunism and no content. Not even doing that good a job trying to look busy. Trollish self vote. And like all of Ciara's very few semi-contentful posts were scummy too. Seriously, lynch this slot.

VOTE: WhemeStar That's L-1, at least until he takes off his stupid self-vote.

How am I opportunistic

I'm talking mostly about the badly justified WM vote coming right in the middle of RC's wagon on him. Can you explain your reasoning for that? Also the out of nowhere RC vote at the beginning. Again, explain? Because it looks like you don't care much who you lynch.

[PersephoneSidekick]

WM's partner would probably be Miles in this scenario, because if you look at ISO he kind of defends WM a lot.

I find in newbie games scum tend to try to avoid talking about their partner

I suppose that makes sense psychologically; I haven't read enough games to know one way or another. Who would you think WM's partner would be instead?

[WhemeStar]

WM's partner would probably be Miles in this scenario, because if you look at ISO he kind of defends WM a lot.

I find in newbie games scum tend to try to avoid talking about their partner

I suppose that makes sense psychologically; I haven't read enough games to know one way or another. Who would you think WM's partner would be instead?

Not sure yet need more posting to sort people

Also I voted WM to sheep RC hence "RC can I play the game where I sheep you"

[WhemeStar]

My reasoning for voting RC at the start of the day because I thought RC knew smith was tracker, that's why RC scumread smith at start of day and didnt mention him at end of the day

[fferyllt]

Searching for a replacement for King Cankles.

[RadiantCowbells]

I kind of have no idea what's going on anymore but whatever here's my reads list.

RC: Confirmed town. Moving on.

Whale: Was towny yesterday; keeping up the same attitudes and activities now. Almost too towny really :p

Cankles: No data since yesterday, default to my previous townread. Reactions to wagon yesterday were town despair not scum despair.

Miles: I don't know if he has a scummy tone or a towny tone, but he sure has a Tone. I wish this wasn't his first game so I could know if he always talks like this. Analysis looks good but he kind of looks like he's showing off? Works out to slightly scummy I think. Really wish I had meta.

WM: RC's opinion counts for something. Tone looks increasingly bad to me but that's probably me being impressionable so I'll just fold it into RC. Other than that, no evidence really. Scummier than most other people I guess.

Wheme: Flippant votes, opportunism and no content. Not even doing that good a job trying to look busy. Trollish self vote. And like all of Ciara's very few semi-contentful posts were scummy too. Seriously, lynch this slot.

VOTE: WhemeStar That's L-1, at least until he takes off his stupid self-vote.

How am I opportunistic

I'm talking mostly about the badly justified WM vote coming right in the middle of RC's wagon on him. Can you explain your reasoning for that? Also the out of nowhere RC vote at the beginning. Again, explain? Because it looks like you don't care much who you lynch.

I thought that you agreed that WhyMafia was likely scum: why are you pushing people for pushing him?

[PersephoneSidekick]

I kind of have no idea what's going on anymore but whatever here's my reads list.

RC: Confirmed town. Moving on.

Whale: Was towny yesterday; keeping up the same attitudes and activities now. Almost too towny really :p

Cankles: No data since yesterday, default to my previous townread. Reactions to wagon yesterday were town despair not scum despair.

Miles: I don't know if he has a scummy tone or a towny tone, but he sure has a Tone. I wish this wasn't his first game so I could know if he always talks like this. Analysis looks good but he kind of looks like he's showing off? Works out to slightly scummy I think. Really wish I had meta.

WM: RC's opinion counts for something. Tone looks increasingly bad to me but that's probably me being impressionable so I'll just fold it into RC. Other than that, no evidence really. Scummier than most other people I guess.

Wheme: Flippant votes, opportunism and no content. Not even doing that good a job trying to look busy. Trollish self vote. And like all of Ciara's very few semi-contentful posts were scummy too. Seriously, lynch this slot.

VOTE: WhemeStar That's L-1, at least until he takes off his stupid self-vote.

How am I opportunistic

I'm talking mostly about the badly justified WM vote coming right in the middle of RC's wagon on him. Can you explain your reasoning for that? Also the out of nowhere RC vote at the beginning. Again, explain? Because it looks like you don't care much who you lynch.

I thought that you agreed that WhyMafia was likely scum: why are you pushing people for pushing him?

Sometimes scum accuses scum? Sometimes you can tell when that's happening by how the accusation is done? Am I missing something?

[RadiantCowbells]

I kind of have no idea what's going on anymore but whatever here's my reads list.

RC: Confirmed town. Moving on.

Whale: Was towny yesterday; keeping up the same attitudes and activities now. Almost too towny really :p

Cankles: No data since yesterday, default to my previous townread. Reactions to wagon yesterday were town despair not scum despair.

Miles: I don't know if he has a scummy tone or a towny tone, but he sure has a Tone. I wish this wasn't his first game so I could know if he always talks like this. Analysis looks good but he kind of looks like he's showing off? Works out to slightly scummy I think. Really wish I had meta.

WM: RC's opinion counts for something. Tone looks increasingly bad to me but that's probably me being impressionable so I'll just fold it into RC. Other than that, no evidence really. Scummier than most other people I guess.

Wheme: Flippant votes, opportunism and no content. Not even doing that good a job trying to look busy. Trollish self vote. And like all of Ciara's very few semi-contentful posts were scummy too. Seriously, lynch this slot.

VOTE: WhemeStar That's L-1, at least until he takes off his stupid self-vote.

How am I opportunistic

I'm talking mostly about the badly justified WM vote coming right in the middle of RC's wagon on him. Can you explain your reasoning for that? Also the out of nowhere RC vote at the beginning. Again, explain? Because it looks like you don't care much who you lynch.

I thought that you agreed that WhyMafia was likely scum: why are you pushing people for pushing him?

Sometimes scum accuses scum? Sometimes you can tell when that's happening by how the accusation is done? Am I missing something?

You're missing that it feels like you're chainsaw voting Whemestar in response to him voting WhyMafia.
It feels really bad that you agreed with me on WhyMafia scum but haven't addressed it and are pushing people voting him.

[PersephoneSidekick]

My reasoning for voting RC at the start of the day because I thought RC knew smith was tracker, that's why RC scumread smith at start of day and didnt mention him at end of the day

But why did you think that RC knew that? What posts are you responding to?

[WhyMafia]

RC: Read Ciara/Wheme's ISO
Tell me with a straight face that it's towny

Persephone is obv town.
Gamesolved
Team is either Canckles/Miles (more unlikely) or Wheme/Miles/Cancklss
Way more convinced on wheme

[WhemeStar]

My reasoning for voting RC at the start of the day because I thought RC knew smith was tracker, that's why RC scumread smith at start of day and didnt mention him at end of the day

But why did you think that RC knew that? What posts are you responding to?

This may sound rude but isn't meant to be but why does it matter?

[WhemeStar]

RC: Read Ciara/Wheme's ISO
Tell me with a straight face that it's towny

Persephone is obv town.
Gamesolved
Team is either Canckles/Miles (more unlikely) or Wheme/Miles/Cancklss
Way more convinced on wheme

Go read some games of mine please

[WhemeStar]

RC: Read Ciara/Wheme's ISO
Tell me with a straight face that it's towny

Persephone is obv town.
Gamesolved
Team is either Canckles/Miles (more unlikely) or Wheme/Miles/Cancklss
Way more convinced on wheme

Go read some games of mine please

I can even link you my first and only scum game which was painful

[PersephoneSidekick]

RC: Read Ciara/Wheme's ISO
Tell me with a straight face that it's towny

Persephone is obv town.
Gamesolved
Team is either Canckles/Miles (more unlikely) or Wheme/Miles/Cancklss
Way more convinced on wheme

Go read some games of mine please

I can even link you my first and only scum game which was painful

Please do, actually.

[WhyMafia]

RC: Read Ciara/Wheme's ISO
Tell me with a straight face that it's towny

Persephone is obv town.
Gamesolved
Team is either Canckles/Miles (more unlikely) or Wheme/Miles/Cancklss
Way more convinced on wheme

Go read some games of mine please

I can even link you my first and only scum game which was painful

Self meta is easily changeable, especially if you have

one

scum game
Invalid try again

[Miles Edgeworth]

No time to really post now, but Cankles is still absent. Also I'm digging this WhyMafia wagon, but I'm not going to vote in case he is town and mafia pull a quick hammer to send us into the night again. Intent to put at L-2? Is that even a thing?

Peri is still looking town, RadCow is looking town too, Wheme and Cankles are pulling me in two directions for the other mafia though. Oh, and Miles seems good too. I thought that the Salami slot was towny before he even came in, and he's been pretty insistent on pushing leads which is good in my opionon. Obviously nobody is out of the question entirely (other than me, who is obv v scum guyz), but that's my quick gut check on reading through from the end of last night so far.

The only thing I can think that was directly addressed to me was why I voted for myself at the end of yesterday (I think Miles asked me?). I thought that was pretty clearly a joke? It was obvious that Cankles wasn't going to be a thing and I wasn't going to be able to add much to the discussion before the deadline so a nice silly self vote wouldn't hurt anyone. Does that clear anything up Miles? Also guys, feel free to shoot some questions my way during the day tomorrow, tomorrow night I'll read through them and say what I think.

I'm late on your offer at the end here, but I figure you'll have plenty of time to indulge me before the phase ends.

Obviously your self-vote wasn't a serious declaration of guilt. That's not what I'm getting at.

You say "it's obvious Cankles wasn't going to be a thing," but Cankles was sitting at L-1 for three days and always had some number of people willing to kill him. The shift toward Fykus at the end of day 1 was very plodding and reluctant on the part of the town. Nothing about this situation strikes me as being obvious that Cankles would get off the hook. If you really suspected him to be mafia, then the shift toward Fykus should have motivated you to push

harder

in the thread to get Cankles killed instead, since it represented a real danger of losing the lynch you wanted. Why did you not only do this, but also pull your own support?

Allow me to remind you of your own prior statements near the end of day 1:

Concerning Fykus, I don't see him as scum still

, though the read certainly has gone more towards null hearing the thoughts of others. If he flips scum, I'm sure I'll catch flack for thinking he was town for a bit but such is life.

You had two wagons near the end of the day phase: Cankles, who you said you suspected, and Fykus, who you said you "don't see as scum still." Cankles's wagon was losing traction to Fykus's wagon. Why did you give up on this?


I'd also like for you to explain to me your shift in suspects priority from day 1 to day 2. You have consistently had Cankles and WhyMafia as your top two suspects. For day 1, you had Cankles above WhyMafia. For day 2, WhyMafia was a higher priority for you. Yet, your description of Cankles's play in day 2 has been as such:

So yeah...If Cankles could post more tham hmm that would be nice.

Alright, I wanted to wait a little bit before I posted to see if he would produce anything substantial, and he didn't. So....
Cankles: Still just no content...makes me very sad.

In other words, nothing about Cankles has changed. This I agree with. Tell me then, why did your priority change, if your primary suspect did nothing to become less suspicious since yesterday?

[WhemeStar]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=70834

My scumgame I replaced into

[PersephoneSidekick]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=70834

My scumgame I replaced into

I don't have time to read the whole thread but read your iso. What is the key difference I'm supposed to be seeing here? You sound much the same.

[WhemeStar]

If I remember correctly I played horribly and lurked hard that game then made excuses for my inactivity, I'm surprised I didn't get lynched that game