Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I disagreed A2 but I prefer not to talk about it in depth any further.

[Steel]

Tis not an alisae alt...

Never mind.

[A2]

I disagreed A2 but I prefer not to talk about it in depth any further.

With?
I wrote a ton of shit in that wall I have no clue what you're talking about if you don't point things out.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I disagreed A2 but I prefer not to talk about it in depth any further.

With?
I wrote a ton of shit in that wall I have no clue what you're talking about if you don't point things out.

BTD thing.

[Steel]

VOTE: QuantumRadius

[A2]

Ah okay.
Let me ask you this.
Do you see BTD making that post as scum?
With my experience with him I highly doubt he does that tbh.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yes, based on my experiences with him. I find that as either alignment he tends to focus on setup speculation and even use it to solve the game.

[A2]

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz
Also

{Quantum, Dongempire}

Okay, LUV what do you think about these two people?

[MarioManiac4]

I'm saying that, I'm looking at Io's ISO, especially the part where she basically tells Radius they're an idiot for claiming Kawso scumslipped, and thinking, "Yeah, it's much, much more likely that this is just Io than that this is indicative of Io!scum"

Yeah but why you're basing that on such little supporting evidence? I think town are more likely to at least meta dive her a bit just to be sure.

A2 what do you think of this post?

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz

Do you have statistics to back it up?

@_@

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz
Also

{Quantum, Dongempire}

Okay, LUV what do you think about these two people?

Superstitious and The Divergent I believe.

I like both tonally and their cases on Io.

[Steel]

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

this pinged me hard for being opportunistic.
you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town.
VOTE: io

How are they even both so scummy here.

[Kawso]

Pretty sure LUV & MM4 are town.

Do you guys think Io & QR are able to be a scumteam? It'd be an odd bus for d1 but they're both acting pretty scummy haha

[MarioManiac4]

Im tempted to scumread Kawso because I townread him

[A2]

I'm saying that, I'm looking at Io's ISO, especially the part where she basically tells Radius they're an idiot for claiming Kawso scumslipped, and thinking, "Yeah, it's much, much more likely that this is just Io than that this is indicative of Io!scum"

Yeah but why you're basing that on such little supporting evidence? I think town are more likely to at least meta dive her a bit just to be sure.

A2 what do you think of this post?

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz

Do you have statistics to back it up?

@_@

lol "metadiving"
Never done it in my life.
I could see it coming from scum!LUV.
Just like my interactions from him where.

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz
Also

{Quantum, Dongempire}

Okay, LUV what do you think about these two people?

Superstitious and The Divergent I believe.

I like both tonally and their cases on Io.

FFS LUV those are towngames.
I wanted a scumgame where he tries to use mechanics to try to get him towncred like that.

And nah, I'm not taking tone for an answer with those two. I want you to go further then that.

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Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

this pinged me hard for being opportunistic.
you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town.
VOTE: io

How are they even both so scummy here.

I never really said it was Scum v Scum? Pretty sure I said it was Town v Scum. And mostly because I thought one of those two were scum prior to those interactions. Those interactions just made me think further that it was town v scum because Io keeps on being really indecisive with her vote and I just straight up scumread Quantum prior to those interactions.

[Steel]

these two votes are, in my sight, miles apart from each other.

dong's tone is genuine frustration. he's a bit angry that i was playing useless. he also realizes that he isn't on the board. this signals to me that he wants to kick the game into motion and see some action in the thread. he isn't playing passively and letting the town destroy itself. he easily could have forgotten the vote and left it as a shadecast, but he instead wants me active and forming independent position. can't see that post ever coming from a mafia member.

your vote, on the other hand, screams that you want me mislynched. you clearly don't give a shit about my alignment. you just know that i was being useless, and the town would feel as though they weren't losing much through the lynch, camouflaging the mafia members on my wagon. it was extremely opportunistic and advantageous from a scum perspective.

conclusion: dong town, io scum. i got exactly what i wanted.

Are these reads too simple or did they make sense in context?

[Steel]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Quantumradius might be VI, his T game is not so different I think.

[Steel]

VOTE: Dongempire

Not sure if his anger is quite real, and his posts and votes seem even more one dimensional than io's.

[Steel]

To be clear, pushing someone for making an error or justifying your vote based on bad play. Instead of why you think the person is really scum and doing things out of scum motivation.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I could've sworn he was scum in Supertitious

I'll try to go through my Wiki tonight to see if I do actually have a scum game with him.

As for those two, tone and the cases are really the only thing. Could you elaborate on why you scum read them A2?

[Steel]

Why am I always ignored.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I could've sworn he was scum in Supertitious

I'll try to go through my Wiki tonight to see if I actually have a scum game with him.

As for those two, tone and the cases are really the only thing. Could you elaborate on why you scum read them A2?

EBWOP.

[A2]

these two votes are, in my sight, miles apart from each other.

dong's tone is genuine frustration. he's a bit angry that i was playing useless. he also realizes that he isn't on the board. this signals to me that he wants to kick the game into motion and see some action in the thread. he isn't playing passively and letting the town destroy itself. he easily could have forgotten the vote and left it as a shadecast, but he instead wants me active and forming independent position. can't see that post ever coming from a mafia member.

your vote, on the other hand, screams that you want me mislynched. you clearly don't give a shit about my alignment. you just know that i was being useless, and the town would feel as though they weren't losing much through the lynch, camouflaging the mafia members on my wagon. it was extremely opportunistic and advantageous from a scum perspective.

conclusion: dong town, io scum. i got exactly what i wanted.

Are these reads too simple or did they make sense in context?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Quantumradius might be VI, his T game is not so different I think.

VOTE: Dongempire

Not sure if his anger is quite real, and his posts and votes seem even more one dimensional than io's.

Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

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I could've sworn he was scum in Supertitious

I'll try to go through my Wiki tonight to see if I actually have a scum game with him.

As for those two, tone and the cases are really the only thing. Could you elaborate on why you scum read them A2?

EBWOP.

I can explain my reads sure, I'm just wondering why you won't do the same.

Dongempire is scum mostly for trying to shush people up and mostly trying to make it seem like things like BTD's town post doesn't come from town. It's manipulative.
Quantum mostly because the fact they bought that Kawso could have slipped kinda shows that they have more information then me. Also a lot of their posts I feel like were designed to be towny but I don't buy they're actually coming from town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't like explaining town reads unless I feel there are valid reasons to do so. It only helps scum and it doesn't really do anything to help achieve my win condition.

I don't see how Dong tried to shush anyone up other than Sesq unless you're referring how he presents his reasons for scum reading people?

As for Quantum, I saw that but I don't see how anyone can read into that seriously. The tone as well as the wording of the accusation reads like he was just joking.

[QuantumRadius]

hooooooly cow the deathtunnel
hi a2 *awkward wave*

[Steel]

Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

He couldn't produce reads early, and then when he did they seemed exaggerated. But when I looked at his town game he had similar trouble starting up and votes seemed weird there too.

I wouldn't put him town either, but there is a realistic chance he may be VI.