Ircher's Mini Normal

[Ircher]

Like, I understand Radiant's position, but part of the setup kinda revolves around the vig being able to shoot N1; if the vig couldn't shoot N1, either town would need to be weakened or scum strengthened imo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't mind 2-shot vig, but it would make me strongly want to remove or delay the roleblocker.

[Ircher]

Would N3 instead of N2 work?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, it would.

[RadiantCowbells]

1. Town Watcher
2. Town 3-Shot Doctor (Protects from one kill attempt)
3. Town 2-Shot Vigilante
4. Town Vanilla
5. Town Vanilla
6. Town Vanilla
7. Town Vanilla
8. Town Vanilla
9. Mafia Encryptor
10. Mafia Goon
11. Mafia Traitor Night 3 Roleblocker

[fferyllt]

I like this.

[Ircher]

Basic Info:

Number of Players: 11
Backup Mod: To be determined, but I definitely am getting one.
Setup: 8 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 Mafia Traitor

Public Info:

1. Setup is guaranteed to have at least 8 town and only 1 scum faction.

Role List:

1.

Town Watcher

2.

Town 3-Shot Doctor

(Protects from one kill attempt)
3.

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

4.

Town Vanilla

5.

Town Vanilla

6.

Town Vanilla

7.

Town Vanilla

8.

Town Vanilla

9.

Mafia Encryptor

10.

Mafia Goon

11.

Mafia Traitor N3 Roleblocker

Setup Notes:

1. I want to keep the mafia traitor, and the player size at 11. I would prefer to keep the town vigilante (and allow it to fire N1) as well, but I can ditch it if it prevents this setup from passing.
2. While town can technically lose with just two mislynches, I think this is mitigated by a full (!) Watcher as well as a 3-shot doctor. (Plus maybe the vig won't shoot N1 in a 11p game.... but I'm not counting on that)
3. The Mafia N2 roleblocker is more so to keep town from having a strong positive feedback loop if scum get lynched D1.
4. The town vigilante (in most people's hands) is more likely to cause harm than good N1 in this setup; I count it as somewhat negative utility as a result.
5. I could change the Watcher to a Jack-of-all-Trades (Watch, Cop, Neopolitan) if you think full watcher is too strong.
6. If I strengthen scum (with the vigilante in the setup), then it will be the traitor. (N2+ Roleblocker would work there if necessary.)
7. I'm half tempted to make the Vigilante 1-Shot Compulsive but that probably isn't good for balance.

Role PMs:

Spoiler: Town Watcher

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town Watcher

!

• Watcher (Night, Active)
  - Each night, you may attempt to watch a player to learn who, if anyone, visits them.
  • [quote=Watcher Saw]
    You saw that X was visited by Y and Z.
    [/quote]
    
  • [quote=Watcher Nothing]
    You did not see anyone visit X.
    [/quote]
    
  • [quote=No Result]
    No Result
    [/quote]
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Watcher
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Town 3-Shot Doctor

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town 3-Shot Doctor

.

• 3-Shot Doctor (Night, Active, 3-Shot)
  - Thrice per game, you may attempt to protect a player from a single kill attempt.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: 3-Shot Doctor
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Town 2-Shot Vigilante

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

.

• 2-Shot Vigilante (Night, Active, 2-Shot)
  - Twice per game, you may attempt to kill a player.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: 2-Shot Vigilante
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliinated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Mafia Encryptor

!

• Encryptor (Day, Passive)
  - While you are alive, the mafia team can chat in the day.
  
• Mafia Kill (Night, Factional, Active)
  - Each night, one mafioso may attempt to kill a player.
  
• Mafia Chat (Night, Facional, Passive)
  - The mafia may converse in a private topic during yhe night. The name of your partner (as well as their role) will be posted there.
  
• You are aware that a traitor exists, but you are unaware of his or her identity.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Encryptor
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if the traitor is the only remaining mafioso.

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a [color=#FF00)0]Mafia Goon[/color]!

• Mafia Kill (Night, Factional, Active)
  - Each night, one mafioso may attempt to kill a player.
  
• Mafia Chat (Night, Facional, Passive)
  - The mafia may converse in a private topic during yhe night. The name of your partner (as well as their role) will be posted there.
  
• You are aware that a traitor exists, but you are unaware of his or her identity.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Vanilla
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if the traitor is the only remaining mafioso.

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Traitor N2 Roleblocker

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Mafia Traitor N3 Roleblocker

!

• Traitor (Day, Night, Passive)
  - You are aware that X and Y are part of the mafia, but you cannot communicate directly with them, and you cannot perform the mafia night kill. They know a traitor exists bu not your identity; if they shoot you, you will die.
  
• N2 Roleblocker (Night, Active, Night 3 Only)
  - On night 2, you may attempt to block a player and prevent them from taking any actions.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Traitor N3 Roleblocker
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if you are the only remaining mafioso.

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini 0!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Vanilla
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

[Ircher]

Forgot to change the spoiler tag, but everything else I think was changed. Anything else?

[Firebringer]

Approved with Fire

Everything looks good for me.

[RadiantCowbells]

The rules currently do not state whether factional actions and other actions can be used simultaneously: you don't have to in this case but it's something to consider.

[Ircher]

My ruling has always been no (but it doesn't apply in this setup).

[fferyllt]

Yep this is good.

Have fun with your game!

[Ircher]

Thanks.

As an fyi: Human Sequencer will be my backup mod.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not quite sure why you're banning the standard spoiler tags but okay.
Traitor role PM still says D2 several times.

Minor things that you can not bother with if you want:

You misspelled eliminated in the 2-Shot Vig role pm.
Mafia lose condition technically doesn't specify that they lose if the traitor and other mafia are all dead but shouldn't be an issue.

I'll

Pass

when the Traitor Doctor's role pm is fixed.

[RadiantCowbells]

Traitor roleblocker, my bad.

[Ircher]

Basic Info:

Number of Players: 11
Backup Mod: To be determined, but I definitely am getting one.
Setup: 8 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 Mafia Traitor

Public Info:

1. Setup is guaranteed to have at least 8 town and only 1 scum faction.

Role List:

1.

Town Watcher

2.

Town 3-Shot Doctor

(Protects from one kill attempt)
3.

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

4.

Town Vanilla

5.

Town Vanilla

6.

Town Vanilla

7.

Town Vanilla

8.

Town Vanilla

9.

Mafia Encryptor

10.

Mafia Goon

11.

Mafia Traitor N3 Roleblocker

Setup Notes:

1. I want to keep the mafia traitor, and the player size at 11. I would prefer to keep the town vigilante (and allow it to fire N1) as well, but I can ditch it if it prevents this setup from passing.
2. While town can technically lose with just two mislynches, I think this is mitigated by a full (!) Watcher as well as a 3-shot doctor. (Plus maybe the vig won't shoot N1 in a 11p game.... but I'm not counting on that)
3. The Mafia N2 roleblocker is more so to keep town from having a strong positive feedback loop if scum get lynched D1.
4. The town vigilante (in most people's hands) is more likely to cause harm than good N1 in this setup; I count it as somewhat negative utility as a result.
5. I could change the Watcher to a Jack-of-all-Trades (Watch, Cop, Neopolitan) if you think full watcher is too strong.
6. If I strengthen scum (with the vigilante in the setup), then it will be the traitor. (N2+ Roleblocker would work there if necessary.)
7. I'm half tempted to make the Vigilante 1-Shot Compulsive but that probably isn't good for balance.

Role PMs:

Spoiler: Town Watcher

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town Watcher

!

• Watcher (Night, Active)
  - Each night, you may attempt to watch a player to learn who, if anyone, visits them.
  • [quote=Watcher Saw]
    You saw that X was visited by Y and Z.
    [/quote]
    
  • [quote=Watcher Nothing]
    You did not see anyone visit X.
    [/quote]
    
  • [quote=No Result]
    No Result
    [/quote]
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Watcher
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Town 3-Shot Doctor

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town 3-Shot Doctor

.

• 3-Shot Doctor (Night, Active, 3-Shot)
  - Thrice per game, you may attempt to protect a player from a single kill attempt.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: 3-Shot Doctor
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Town 2-Shot Vigilante

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

.

• 2-Shot Vigilante (Night, Active, 2-Shot)
  - Twice per game, you may attempt to kill a player.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: 2-Shot Vigilante
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Mafia Encryptor

!

• Encryptor (Day, Passive)
  - While you are alive, the mafia team can chat in the day.
  
• Mafia Kill (Night, Factional, Active)
  - Each night, one mafioso may attempt to kill a player.
  
• Mafia Chat (Night, Facional, Passive)
  - The mafia may converse in a private topic during yhe night. The name of your partner (as well as their role) will be posted there.
  
• You are aware that a traitor exists, but you are unaware of his or her identity.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Encryptor
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if the traitor is the only remaining mafioso or if the entire mfia team is eliminated..

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a [color=#FF00)0]Mafia Goon[/color]!

• Mafia Kill (Night, Factional, Active)
  - Each night, one mafioso may attempt to kill a player.
  
• Mafia Chat (Night, Facional, Passive)
  - The mafia may converse in a private topic during yhe night. The name of your partner (as well as their role) will be posted there.
  
• You are aware that a traitor exists, but you are unaware of his or her identity.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Vanilla
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if the traitor is the only remaining mafioso or if the entire mafia team is eliminated..

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Mafia Traitor N3 Roleblocker

Welcome, Player, to Mini 0!
You are a

Mafia Traitor N3 Roleblocker

!

• Traitor (Day, Night, Passive)
  - You are aware that X and Y are part of the mafia, but you cannot communicate directly with them, and you cannot perform the mafia night kill. They know a traitor exists bu not your identity; if they shoot you, you will die.
  
• N3 Roleblocker (Night, Active, Night 3 Only)
  - On night 3, you may attempt to block a player and prevent them from taking any actions.
  
• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Traitor N3 Roleblocker
  
• Win:
  You win when nothing can prevent mafia from maintaining a voting majority.
  
• Lose:
  You lose if you are the only remaining mafioso or if the entire mafia team is eliminated.

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini 0!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

• You possess both a vote and a voice. Use them well!
  
• You know that there are at least 8 town players and only one scum faction.
  
• Effective Role: Vanilla
  
• Win:
  You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie remains!

Confirm by pm'ing me your alignment and effective role.

[Ircher]

Blakout tags

are banned because they are hard to read on some mobile devices.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pass

But there are two periods after eliminated in the new lose condition

Fair enough.

[Firebringer]

Rc picking up on all the things I completely bypass. Nice work man.

[Ircher]

(For some reason, I couldn't find this thread in the PTs section...)

Anyway, the game is finished.

[fferyllt]

there is more than 1 page of PTs right now. I've "lost" a couple of active pts recently that were on page 2. maybe on page 3!