In post 190, SIV36 wrote:
Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.
I've liked basically all of your posts up to this. You just stated several reads including people you were willing to lynch but this paragraph is basically saying anyone could be scum which kind of sounds like you're opening up your options for later or to be wrong after a lynch goes through that you pushed.
I remember when I said that, I was starting to majorly self-doubt my reads. I still am to this point; it's like I'm surrounded by a stormy cloud of what-ifs.
I can buy this.
@all
I'm wanting to vote Mulch, as this player is the most suspicious to me. One major reason is the half-answers that we consistently get from him. Another being non-convincing voting reasons plus the thoughts I've had earlier. This is the player I've got the highest percent suspicion of. But if I do, I'll put him at L-1, and even though I'm really suspecting him as mafia, I don't really want the day ending early. I think it's for the most benefit that we get as much information as we can until we have to make a lynch. So I'm stalling my vote at the moment and reading all your interesting comments.
You know what. I think I'm going to go for this too. It's where my gut has been since he first started posting and he has only managed to support that feeling. I keep thinking to myself who would be the most beneficial to keep around. My other scum reads, Jae and Llama, are actually giving us content that is game advancing and can help us get reads on themselves and others which potentially could change my read on them if they are town. Mulch is at best anti-town and as I said earlier has been doing a pretty good job at actually keeping the game stagnant or at least centered around something not all that helpful. I'll place my vote here but I'm up for stalling for a bit first since we have the time
That seems to be your only or at least your strongest reasoning and what you're pushing him for. It's hardly anything at all and may be worthy of a scum lean at the most although I personally don't think it's scummy to not want to work out pre-flip associatives.
Sharing some more reads, properly answering questions, giving us something to help us read you better if you're town, try to reconsider your reads to see if you still honestly believe in your previous read or to find more evidence to back up your reads.
For starters, might I recommend not trying to sacrifice yourself just so you can push a tunnel on someone, or jumping around from vote to vote like a game of hot potato?
I had a lot of questions for you in my catch up posts. Also as I was catching up I noticed some 1 word responces or very short sentences which weren't all that helpful.
In post 389, Raya36 wrote:I'm having mixed feelings about Reed here. His posts seem genuine when he responds to Siv although Siv has a point in saying that he was responding to pressure on Clock as if it were on himself. I'll probably come back to this later.
Can you expand on what you were thinking here?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
I got my new laptop up and running, so back to normal access.
In post 366, Ginngie wrote:The tell, is when a slot reads PM, flakes, another person replaces, sees PM, flakes. If your heart so desires I can actually go into every time I've used it correctly...
Yooh actually put in some decent work, which is one of the key differences.
Regarding the tell, the only thing that makes me think it's not the best to use it is the newbie queue because apparently replacements run rampant in a game :/
Exactly. Its not a tell. One point down.
You're blind if you can't find the context of his asp vote, here it is all fine and dandy.
Spoiler:
In post 170, guyy wrote:jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama
i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point
Please show me where he mentioned anything about ASP before that(hint, I already checked)
So sheeping someone saying "I think scum are just trying to stay out of the shadows" is a scumtell? guyy literally just voted ASP, and then Mulch followed. Does town-Mulch never sheep a player at random to you?
This is a fun exercise, find where Mulch took any real attempt to sort Jae? (hint, I already checked, only one post and it's really weak :3 )
So again, Mulch calls JR scummy. JR makes a few random posts and then Mulch votes him. Again, is that something that is a scumtell? What parts of this is scum-Mulch and not just Mulch-Mulch?
Spoiler:
In post 254, Ginngie wrote:I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.
I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.
In post 255, Mulch wrote:You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.
You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.
Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.
In post 259, Ginngie wrote:Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?
Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.
Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.
You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.
Literally nothing you did has been town
In post 272, Ginngie wrote:A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.
In post 264, Mulch wrote:I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*
Go ahead and hammer
Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw
VOTE: Mulch
In post 335, Ginngie wrote:My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.
I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.
-Mulch
Me: What would Mulch do?
You: He would vote me, he is scum because he didn't.
Me: Except he did vote you (241) and you kept calling him scum
You: <bunch of posts leading up to Mulch self-voting>
You saying that Mulch is scum because he DIDNT vote you is an outright lie. He did vote you, and nothing changed. You are calling him scum for at first doing exactly what you say town him would have done. So I take it your point against him has changed to "Mulch-town would have voted me" to "Mulch-town would have death tunneled me"?
Here's the thing tho sweetheart, it's about CONTEXT, ya taking what I'm analyzing and putting it in a void makes it null and void, but put it in the context and you get.
So the context is... he is calling you out in a 1v1 and self-voted? That's anti-town behavior, not scummy. Don't just quote a series of posts, explain it because I obviously don't understand it.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT READJUSTING MY READS BASED ON WHAT HE FLIPS BEFORE HE FLIPS
So you don't care about adjusting reads... therefore no matter what Mulch is nothing changes? This is scum who is too afraid to put out anything more than they want to. By calling a few players town, going all in on one read, they can just make any sort of move that is convenient the following day because all of their options are open. Its pretty much a lie to say that you have no opinion on what other people are if Mulch is town, or at least to say that none of your scum reads will vary.
Even trying to deflect with something like "it depends on context of the lynch, but maybe X or Y" is something instead of saying "I don't know/care" which leaves any move on the table. Being able to pivot around is a key part of playing scum, he leaves every door in the world open.
So basically case gone.
Replace out tell you admit doesn't qualify in newbie games
He sheeped guyy onto ASP
He voted JR after calling them scum
Town-Mulch would have voted you (he actually did)
He tried to 1v1 you and then just said "lynch him tomorrow" (absolute closest thing to a tell you have)
That's the case he wants Mulch lynched with?
That's why Ginngie is scum. Pushed a bad case, Mulch freaked out, and they tried to take advantage of it by pivoting the key point from her weak arguments to "self-voted"
As I said, this is just you leaving every option open and refusing to actually look at different scenarios.
Should you not responding to other points mean that you concede that calling Mulch scum for voting ASP and JR something you shouldn't have done and they aren't tells?
