+1In post 147, Hopkirk wrote:Nah, multiple wagons is good. It has to go through a transition phase.
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Regarding the Moz read, I got the impression he was overstating townreads, but I don’t think he specified hard in the way you’re defining it either.
Then they should be your first priorty to sort. If you read them correctly (decide which is scum/town) you get info there, and on everyone who's been on all the wagons. Much more useful vote than Moz where it seems to be a policy vote.In post 165, BuJaber wrote:In this game yes I'm finding the approach scummy. I don't think there's enough to warrant such confident reads. But I don't necessary think he's definitely wrong about his townreads.
But I can see how some town would choose this approach sometimes. I wouldn't. I tend to break the pool apart into small pieces. For example right now I have flubb/seph in one group. Scumreading both, but I don't think both can be scum together so I'll be analyzing them further as the game goes on. I have moz as another scumread, and I'm pursuing this trajectory and seeing if it makes sense through his and others' reactions. I have sheep as a townie which means i'll be continuing to monitor if that makes sense, and if his reads make sense from a townie perspective. Hopkirk, who was a nullread more or less but slightly leaning towards town has actually raised a good point about sheep so that makes me question things for example.
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Even Serg?In post 176, Katyusha wrote:yeah im townreading that entire composition here rn
i've definitely been on D1 scum lynches that have been strongarmed by entirely town so from an uninformed perspective this doesnt really help clear youIn post 115, Flubbernugget wrote:You do know what a wagon with no counterwagon tends to point to...rignt?
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In post 166, Katyusha wrote:i think i'm at
{sheep, n_m} - Town
{Intern, Serg} - Townlean
{hem, moz} - weaker townlean
{Bu, Hop} - frequently going back and forth on tbh
{UCV, Schism} - null
{Seph, Flub} - scumlean
which is a lot less than i thought i was at and im not really confident about seph with the meta reads on him (planning on looking into that rn)
Did something change, or are you just trying to sort me?In post 192, Katyusha wrote:i mean i can agree with that on paper but i dont really know if for sure if that'd be enough for me to feel like i have some semblance of understanding the gamestate rn
VOTE: Hopkirk
sheep and seph can you tell me how you feel about the conversation I had with him?
Don't like that you're asking instead of voting me here. You seem a bit too cautious/sheepy with your votes given you disliked UC.In post 194, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Or do you think Hopkirk is more probable to be scum than Flubb?
In post 193, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Don't unvote. If someone hammers, it would be AI and I'd like to see why. I'm actually good with the lynch if it happens.
Are you reading Flubber as town?In post 203, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Katyusha is right UNVOTE:
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If Flubb is town, Hopkirk is scum, probably. "how?" Whiteknighting players without second guessing when most could see that UC and Flubb were sus. And also I'm sheeping Kat.
What about my townread on Flubber is bad/wrong?
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well you can't be wrong about your townread on flubb if you know flubb is town. it just seems convenient that you can see 20/20 about Flubb's alignment and happy to defend him. i think that flubb could be town here even if the wagon is town. but im not townreading him. that's my problem. i should be, but it's absent in how he voted, handled the situation around him, and how he defended. there's an absence of clear town signs from him. but somehow you townread him.- sheepsaysmeep
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The largest part of why I like Flubber is because I dislike the wagon.In post 206, humaneatingmonkey wrote:well you can't be wrong about your townread on flubb if you know flubb is town. it just seems convenient that you can see 20/20 about Flubb's alignment and happy to defend him. i think that flubb could be town here even if the wagon is town. but im not townreading him. that's my problem. i should be, but it's absent in how he voted, handled the situation around him, and how he defended. there's an absence of clear town signs from him. but somehow you townread him.
You're suggesting I'm 100% sure about the read, despite my agreement on overstating reads.
'20/20' and 'if you know' and 'you can't be wrong' imply a lot more than I've said.
Meta is a minor point. Surprised you didn't want to know what game I was talking about given I specified it was his entry I thought was similar. Still, he'd be a minor lean without the wagon.
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I dont like how you think i should have voted you there. i dont like how you're branding my play cautious here when that's not even what's happening. i dont like how you think sheeping is something unlikeable. and i don't like how you think me not liking UC is somehow grounds to not place my vote elsewhereHopkirk, earlier wrote:Don't like that you're asking instead of voting me here. You seem a bit too cautious/sheepy with your votes given you disliked UC.- humaneatingmonkey
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i townread him, and i dont think he's a good place to put votesIn post 212, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i also dont like how you're defending hopkirk
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nothing really changed, and i'm still trying to sort most of the tableIn post 205, Hopkirk wrote:Did something change, or are you just trying to sort me?
my vote is really multipurpose and it's kind of hard to articulate what i'm doing without defeating its purpose
for clarification on my readlist "going back and forth on" and "null" are equal tiers, it's just I dont have a reason to read UCV and Schism one way or another, versus Bu and Hopkirk who at that point I could see as either align.
i'm trying to put the conversation i had with hopkirk in a spoiler so maybe it's a bit more clear what i'm trying to ask sheep about bc on an in-context read it's still bugging me
i also am pretty happy with hme's vote - it's not the same reason i voted hopkirk but it's a good point. im not as content his sheep scumread though and think it's more likely sheep just needs a second look at hop or rebutt the point i'll bring up depending on how seph approaches the situation- humaneatingmonkey
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Consistently cautious. Pattern, not just here.In post 209, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
I dont like how you think i should have voted you there. i dont like how you're branding my play cautious here when that's not even what's happening. i dont like how you think sheeping is something unlikeable. and i don't like how you think me not liking UC is somehow grounds to not place my vote elsewhereHopkirk, earlier wrote:Don't like that you're asking instead of voting me here. You seem a bit too cautious/sheepy with your votes given you disliked UC.
I thought you liked UC so voted Flubber, might be wrong about the consistently part then. Why do you dislike UC?
Why didn't you respond to my other points.
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Looking back you never mentioned UC which makes this curious.In post 209, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
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serg just feels like he's going to be kind of hard to sort through normal means - gut says he's townie here tbh but i dont really have much more than thatIn post 217, humaneatingmonkey wrote:it doesn't feel like serg is on the side of the town this game
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sheep can you reread through the parts i selected in the spoiler for me and answer my question again? if you still the feel same way then can you elaborate on why- Hopkirk
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