Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[MagnaofIllusion]

So your example for being good at Mafia is...two games where you were lynched on D1, and where your main push was always on the wrong person which was a factor in getting you lynched once?

Also, you saying "I identified so-and-so correctly as scum" is worth dick, since you tend to identify a large number of people as scum. Even with random chance you'd be bound to hit scum with a tactic like that. For instance, in Divided Germany, you did identify ShadowGirl and jmurph3 as scum, but your main push was on FuDuzn first and on GreyICE later, both of which were town.

And another dodge. Again I can show you a fucking litany of games of me rolling scum if you want. Yeah, fuck it. Let's go ...

Dark Side of the Moon Mafia – Pushed and lynched scum Day 1, identified both remaining scum overnight, scanned one and got them lynched Day 2 and died Night 2. Town should have swept if they had listened.

Team Mafia – Scummies – Lynched scum Day 1.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia – Lynched Mafia Day 1 (and identified him page 1), lynched Serial Killer Day 2 and identified second of three scum Day2. Only scum to escape my detection before I died was Grey.

MST3K Mafia (Tiger eaten) – Led lynch on Scum Day 1 and lynched scum Day 2 and Day 3 for a near clean sweep (only lost 1 Town player).

Sci-Fi Mafia (Tiger eaten) – Identified scum with Watcher Role Day 2 and got him lynched. Day 3 scum was lynched due to Hider death and identified last scum from Dayplay who was lynched Day 4 after I was finally Nightkilled.

MGS Solid Mafia (partially Tiger eaten) – Identified Grey-scum Day 1 and had both Kise nailed after Fate was vigged.

Zom-Com Mafia (Mod Abandonned) – replaced in Day 2 and proceed to lynch scum to make it 2 in a row. 3rd scum was lynched while I was V/LA effectively. Last scum only escaped due to set-up (being scum with an independent kill).

Memento Mafia – Replaced in after V/LA and voted final scum. Really a fairly obvious mop-up job.

Back to the Future Mafia – Identified scum 1 and 2 Day 1 and got Scum 1 lynched. Scum 2 was dayvigged Day 2 and led lynch on last scum for a near perfect sweep.

Yeah, that is every completed Town Mini Theme game I have from the last year other than the examples I’ve already given.

Try to even pretend that I’m not good at finding scum you fucking scum-fuck. I FUCKING DARE YOU.

But again - did I or did I not successfully kill scum in 70s Mafia? I killed one via scum-hunting. You killed zero and your terrible play was the reason I focused on you. If my play was bad (in still getting scum) yours looks even worse since your Top Suspect flipped Town.

And nice way to fudge the facts on Divided Germany Mafia. The main reason I got lynched was I did you a favor and replaced into a doomed slot since Firestarter was so fucking obviously terrible. I'm sorry you can't honestly respond to this since you are scum. Eat rope.

MORE ICEGUY VOTES PLEASE!

[IceGuy]

tl;dr: Let's get that guy who doesn't believe I'm a god at Mafia lynched!

[MagnaofIllusion]

tl;dr: Let's get that guy who doesn't believe I'm a god at Mafia lynched!

Oh look ... Icescum can't continue to float the rhetoric arguments he's been making and now has to misrep.

You are scum. I identified you as such from your play. Your ass got bailed out Day 1 and now you know you can't do much more today. Sucks to be you.

Eat rope ...

[whispersilk]

Yeah, you guys are probably scum together.

MoI's theatrics are just too funny for words.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yeah, you guys are probably scum together.

MoI's theatrics are just too funny for words.

Well then vote for Iceguy and try your best to get me lynched tomorrow.

By the way ... where are your answers to my questions? I'm waiting.

[IceGuy]

Try to even pretend that I’m not good at finding scum you fucking scum-fuck. I FUCKING DARE YOU.

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[MagnaofIllusion]

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Fluff from scum.

[whispersilk]

Yeah, you guys are probably scum together.

MoI's theatrics are just too funny for words.

Well then vote for Iceguy and try your best to get me lynched tomorrow.

By the way ... where are your answers to my questions? I'm waiting.

I won't have enough time to answer anything at length until later tonight. I just popped in to say Bravo!!

[Voidedmafia]

Theatrics or not, that is a rather good record in Minis. maybe not enough to start somewhat sounding like some arrogant dickwad (intentionally or not, I do get some feel of that from those posts), but certainly good enough that IG's responses are definitely scummy.

[Robocopter87]

Okay the level of testosterone in this game needs to be brought down a level.

Will make some postish thing soon

[AurorusVox]

So much epenis.
All the while, Vijay is laughing his asses off while you sit around with your rulers out.

LLD GET IN HERE AND TELL THEM THIS DOESN'T IMPRESS YOU
THEN VOTE VIJAY

[AurorusVox]

(Yes, I'm starting to think IceMoI is TVT)

[PeregrineV]

Voting Arugala then switching to IceGuy (right behind Arugala) but in the end, being on the Arugala lynch.

Why is this scummy? I had clearly indicated IG and Arug were my preferred lynch candidates D1.

Well, shouldn't your lynch candidates be people you think are scum? This sounds like you thought Arug was scum until he voted IG who was scum, then you immediately followed Arug and voted IG, but in the end the Arug lynch came back and there you were.
I guessed I missed the post where you laughed at Arug for bussing his scumbuddy and then sheeped him. If you can give me that link then I'll disregard this.

...How does that even translate to "Arug is scum until he votes IG-scum, but look Arug's wagon came back around, better vote that!" (or even to sheeping)?

Actually, where the hell are you even getting the idea that I'm sheeping either of them? Didn't you read both posts where I voted them (well, the 2nd time for Arug)?

My point:
VoidedMafia voted Arugala for scum- 112 (see below)
Arugula voted IceGuy for scum - 201 (see below)
VoidedMafia votes IceGuy - 229 (see below)

Spoiler: Vote posts

The "I'm prepared to be ripped apart" part?

hmm...Well, I originally didn't think about it when I first saw the post, as I originally didn't think that he wasn't showing conviction and that it was just his way of saying "I don't care if you tear into me, I'm still going to write it.". However, looking at it again makes that feel vastly diminish, and it doesn't feel at all like that. Feels more like "Well, here's this plan, if you like it, you like it; if not, well, okay."

Vote: Arugula

@Robocopter
I just forgot to unvote.
UNVOTE: Voidedmafia
Although it is strange that you are pointing that out and not Voided.

You need to rethink that stance. I don’t find Hoopla scummy.

Why is your vote idle if you find Hoopla objectionable?

Because I don't consider her scummy enough to want her lynched (especially as her towniness has been increasing with every subsequent post). I just don't want to give her a powerful letter at this point.

What happened to this? I thought Hoopla was getting more and more town, and not scummy enough for a lynch. What did Hoopla do between that post and now that made her lynch-worthy?

Also, Amrun has posted plenty to get a read on her. I personally think she is town, so most of your whispersilk case is false.

VOTE: IceGuy
And to everyone else,
Hoopla is not on my wagon. Whispersilk's 3 null reads are on the people on my wagon besides Amrun, not Hoopla.

(meh, thought there'd be a VC already; oh well)

Post 223 - Eh, I've done it before (the leaving his vote on me thing), so I just assumed that's what it was.

IceGuy's refusal to back down from his bad case on Whispersilk and attempts to get Whisper to post a plan that he should've seen himself since he looks over her ISO is scummy as hell. Also, strange that at least two other people (three, including myself) have seen this plan that you insist isn't there, isn't it?

Vote: IceGuy

Post 228 - He has a point, though. Those two posts by DCL were shit.

Yet I missed where you either retracted your scum read on Arugala or announced that Arugala is a partner to IceGuy. It seems more like you just swung from one wagon to the other.

[Amrun]

Arguing with MoI is not a scumtell. I really can't remember any other reason people are voting him. Also, scum doesn't spend day1 getting almost lynched and then come back in and do the same thing day2.

This is so HILARIOUSLY wrong. If you don't remember reasons anyone else is voting them, then you haven't read anything in the game. Literally - anything. He's been a major wagon BOTH days! What the fuck?

Also your scumtell on Voided doesn't make sense by your own admission of doing it as town... The fuck.

(Yes, I'm starting to think IceMoI is TVT)

NO

BAD AV

BAD


MoI and IceGuy are so similar personalities that this epeen contest is pretty fucking entertaining... but IceGuy is still scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Boys boys! There's no need to fight over me, you're both beneath my very high standards~.

Now, make yourself useful instead of whoring yourselves out over whose junk is larger. (The answer is clearly Godzilla).

Vote: Vijay

[PeregrineV]

Post-link style making it more time consuming to read his posts.

Irrelevant to alignment.

Perhaps. That's up to the reader to decide. But others asked that you not use the method because they won't read it, and you continued to do so. That makes it fall into the "appear to contribute without scumhunting" category.

...The sheer amount of ignorance as to

WHY

I was doing that in this reply destroys the point.

I'll quote the dead bleeding chick, who has said it ever so much better than I apparently can.

Voidedmafia

is a fairly close definition of active lurking - for the amount he's posted, I don't really remember much of what he's said. I also have a gut feeling that when players post extra vote counts and keep track of other things for town (like a summation of the board) they tend to be scum - it's just an easy way to demonstrate you're helpful. I don't like his vote on IceGuy, and even more so than Magna,

Voided appears to be saying things just for the sake of saying them - he has several posts, where he links to a bunch of other posts and gives a vague one-liner in response to them, which doesn't really further the game at all.

He has a lot of stuff like this strewn through his posts:

Hoopla: Not a bad concern, that. I'm personally wondering where LLD is, period.

Which again, just reads as fluff masquerading as content.

So IceGuy asks you:

Voided, please learn to quote. I'm not going to play match-up here.

I am not fucking with the stupid-ass reply section, thank you very much. But to make you happy:

First part is to Post 320

First P-EDIT is to Post -322

Second P-EDIT is to Amrun.

That doesn't help. My posts have more sections than yours has numbers.

That doesn't help. My posts have more sections than yours has numbers.

Then let it be an exercise for your mind to figure it out. Shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Arug: Robo doesn't feel like scum with any of those, though.

P-EDIT: Lol, is that all you have to say now?

Hoopla again brings it up:

Post 285 - ...Do you REALLY believe I'm active lurking?

In relation to how much you've posted, I'd expect more content. Again, linking to a post number and making a one-line comment isn't content. Most people aren't clicking every one of your links to see who you're talking to. For the most part, you could say whatever the hell you wanted and link to an old post, and I don't think people would pull you up. For some reason, you're confusing the amount of links and piecemeal comments you make as the amount of content you're providing. To repeat myself - I can't remember anything important/memorable you've had to say off the top of my head, which I should be able to if you've posted 39 times. That is active lurking as far as I'm concerned.

AV brings it up

Can you at least refer to who each quote is from VM.

Can you not read?

@VM: When I read on my phone (more frequently nowadays) I'm not spending time cycling through links.

I put who the quotes were from in my comments.

@VM

>_>
<_<
<_>

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And you have a "too bad, your problem" attitude to all of them. I think that town wants to be understood and would care that what they said is read and understood. I don't get that feeling from your posts and responses to those that mention this style.
So yes, I think it is relevant to alignment.

[PeregrineV]

Summation of the board, which seems like a tracker for scum coordination, since town can't do anything with it at this point.

Considering this is information anyone can get from checking the board and the list of words from the 2nd-3rd posts themselves condensed into a (hopefully) readable format updated with the VCs, this is irrelevant to alignment unless you can explain scum intent or why it seems like a tracker for scum coordination.

Part meta: In another game, (Bastardmind of Sin), players could do the vote count for an extra vote. Seemed cool, because I like to do vote counts. So I did it a few times. So did a few other players. Someone pointed out that scum liked to do this kind of "helpful" thing. I shrugged that off since I was town. In the end, it turns out all of them except me were scum.
No biggie, one time thing.
Then War In Heaven 3, Magua takes over tracking hurt/heals from me and another player doing it. Great, except he turned out to be scum too.
So, in the end, as much as I like doing stuff like that, I'm thinking whoever pointed it out was probably right.
So, a scum-ding point for it.

Yes, I know about that (shame nearly 90% of the game got lost in the reset). However, your point kinda nulls itself as Mag took over from a player who was actually town, did he not?

Start with quoting Hoopla again.

Voidedmafia

is a fairly close definition of active lurking - for the amount he's posted, I don't really remember much of what he's said.

I also have a gut feeling that when players post extra vote counts and keep track of other things for town (like a summation of the board) they tend to be scum - it's just an easy way to demonstrate you're helpful.

I don't like his vote on IceGuy, and even more so than Magna, Voided appears to be saying things just for the sake of saying them - he has several posts, where he links to a bunch of other posts and gives a vague one-liner in response to them, which doesn't really further the game at all. He has a lot of stuff like this strewn through his posts:

Hoopla: Not a bad concern, that. I'm personally wondering where LLD is, period.

Which again, just reads as fluff masquerading as content.

And no, Magua was a replacement for scum.

Um no. You are saying “I as Town have done things to be helpful before. Scum players have also done so. Thus people who are helpful are Scum”. If you were realistic about it you would find this to be a Null action as you personally and directly know that Town players can and do act helpful to be helpful.

No, I know that I, as town player have done it. The other two times mentioned, and one ongoing game, and probably more if I take the time to dig (Marketplace mafia maybe?) were all scum. So, no, not null.

Also your scumtell on Voided doesn't make sense by your own admission of doing it as town... The fuck.

It's a larger part of everything else. By itself, no big deal. Taken with everything else, makes me find him scummy.

[Voidedmafia]

First off, you really need to learn to parse text and not quote the entire damn thing.

Voided appears to be saying things just for the sake of saying them - he has several posts, where he links to a bunch of other posts and gives a vague one-liner in response to them, which doesn't really further the game at all

The part Hoopla gave in question is partially fluff (hey, I never said I never did it), however, I'm not going to bend over backwards to try and make some sort of lengthy post or whatever just to make her happy when I think my points so far have been clear (at least, no one's been requesting for me to explain the majority of them).

Fluff has not been the majority of my posts, I have provided suitable content yesterday and most certainly today, and neither Hoops nor you have adequately explained otherwise.

Though, I will apologize for the lack of outlining who wrote the linked posts.

And you have a "too bad, your problem" attitude to all of them. I think that town wants to be understood and would care that what they said is read and understood. I don't get that feeling from your posts and responses to those that mention this style.
So yes, I think it is relevant to alignment.

I explained WHY I wasn't, didn't you read? It wasn't because I didn't want to be understood (I do). It wasn't because I didn't care (if I didn't, why the hell wouldn't I try?). It was SPECIFICALLY because

Part of the site itself (or the browser) was preventing me from being able to properly write replies in the normal reply box

. And was NOT going to infuriate myself by dealing with it when I didn't have to.

As for the "too bad" attitude, IceGuy was complaining because apparantly he can't parse which points went to his own. If he took the time to cross-reference his post in question and my replies to them, it would be clear as to what arguments I was debating.

For Hoops, if I want to post something memorable, I'll damn well make it memorable. Otherwise, I don't care so long as you at least read it. And again, the amount of content she's trying to suggest I've done is far lower than what is actually there. Off the top of my head I can remember my dealings with the initial Arug wagon and arguing with IceGuy. Another point could be where I refuted where AVox was saying he was calling out WS on a misrep in all his posts, but that might be after Hoop's post.

Avox's would be understandable if I didn't put who I linked from before the link itself.

so no, you haven't shown why it's relevant to alignment.

Start with quoting Hoopla again.

I also have a gut feeling that when players post extra vote counts and keep track of other things for town (like a summation of the board) they tend to be scum - it's just an easy way to demonstrate you're helpful.

And no, Magua was a replacement for scum.

Being helpful=/=being scum. You've already killed this point.

Also, not what I asked. I asked if the player magua took over from doing the hurt/heal tallies was scum, not Magua himself. Derp.

Um no. You are saying “I as Town have done things to be helpful before. Scum players have also done so. Thus people who are helpful are Scum”. If you were realistic about it you would find this to be a Null action as you personally and directly know that Town players can and do act helpful to be helpful.

No, I know that I, as town player have done it. The other two times mentioned, and one ongoing game, and probably more if I take the time to dig (Marketplace mafia maybe?) were all scum. So, no, not null.

Lol. No one did anything like that in Marketplace, I'm pretty sure of that.

Also your scumtell on Voided doesn't make sense by your own admission of doing it as town... The fuck.

It's a larger part of everything else. By itself, no big deal. Taken with everything else, makes me find him scummy.

Remind me, what scumtell is this?

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: Activity Log

Code: Select all

Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.
whispersilk took tile B4, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile B3, collecting an H.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used their daily collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect. 

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 2

IceGuy

(4) Voidedmafia, DCLXVI, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

vijay2vasandani

(3) Robocopter87, AurorusVox, Lady Lambdadelta

Voidedmafia

(2) PeregrineV, IceGuy

DCLXVI

(1) vijay2vasandani

MagnaofIllusion

(1) whispersilk

Not Voting

(0)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-21 12:56:09).

Prodding DCLXVI and vijay2vasandani.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, scum doesn't spend day1 getting almost lynched and then come back in and do the same thing day2.

I'm saying right now that I don't believe you wrote this honestly.

[MagnaofIllusion]

No, I know that I, as town player have done it. The other two times mentioned, and one ongoing game, and probably more if I take the time to dig (Marketplace mafia maybe?) were all scum. So, no, not null.

No, no, no, no no.

If YOU as Town have done helpful things on multiple occasions then you CANNOT say that it is only a scum motivated play. You are not a special snowflake unique in your thought process.

[PeregrineV]

Part specific to this game: If AV can spell FROG and leave the game with a win, how will that affect my night actions as town?

If AV spells FROG and that somehow allows him to win, then any further discussion about this point is moot because the game's over unless his wincon states that the game continues even if he leaves.

Not my point and you know it.

However, with the proper tracking, when night hits you guys could coordinate on the best way to both obtain scum powers and prevent town from getting powers.

...So, why would I continually update it in-thread instead of doing it in the QT?

Feign ignorance more.

You are a

MAF GNN

.

You have the following abilities:
(A) (D)

FLP

: This ability allows you to reveal the letter on the underside of any tile on the board. To use this ability, post 'Flip:' and then the coordinates of the tile -- here's how you find the coordinates -- all in boldface, legible font, e.g.

Flip: D2

. The next votecount will display the board with the letter revealed. This can only be used once per Day.
(A) (D)

CLT

: This ability allows you to take any tile on the board as your own: just like the two tiles you received at the start of the game. To use this ability, post 'Collect:' and then the coordinates of the tile all in boldface, legible font, e.g.

Collect: D2

. You may collect any tile, whether it be flipped or not. The next votecount will display the board with the tile removed. This can only be used once per Day.
(I)

XCG

: This ability allows you to trade tiles you have for abilities corresponding to the letters on those tiles at Night. You will receive your new ability immediately and it must be used the same Night.
(F) (A)

DED

: Target a player with this ability to kill them.

(P)

TLK

: You may talk with all members of the

MAF

in your private QuickTopic at Night and in Pregame.

(P)

YAY

: You begin the game with two tiles, which will be revealed in the next PM coming your way.

Your Win Condition is as follows:
>>> You win when at least one

MAF-aligned

player is alive and all of the

TWN

are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

And see previous response about scum appearing helpful.

[PeregrineV]

No, I know that I, as town player have done it. The other two times mentioned, and one ongoing game, and probably more if I take the time to dig (Marketplace mafia maybe?) were all scum. So, no, not null.

No, no, no, no no.

If YOU as Town have done helpful things on multiple occasions then you CANNOT say that it is only a scum motivated play. You are not a special snowflake unique in your thought process.

So, because of a single exception, I should totally discard the whole theory? Throw the baby out with the bathwater?

I didn't say it was scum-only, I said it added to the factors for which I find Voided scummy.

Curious why you think Voided is so town that you are leaping to his defense with faulty logic.

PS- Yes, I am.

[PeregrineV]

Also, scum doesn't spend day1 getting almost lynched and then come back in and do the same thing day2.

I'm saying right now that I don't believe you wrote this honestly.

Not sure what you mean here.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not sure what you mean here.

I'm outright saying I don't buy your "Scum don't almost get lynched Day 1 and then act the same Day 2" reasoning. It doesn't reflect reality and frankly looks like grasping to over-justify your Iceguy Town read.