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Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:11 pm**

Mod:

Premise: There is a universal backup
Premise: There are two masons

Assuming the above premises, should the two masons die (and be the first deaths), would Universal Backup become a mason?

This is a question of how a possible role works, as the wiki is unclear to me.

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:12 pm**

↑ Kublai Khan wrote:
This line:
Still I think the LLD, GI, Benmage taking offense to reds post is a dileberate attempt to distract from the game and each slot should get major scum points.
is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Your scumhunting has been pretty random all game, but this takes the cake. This is craplogic that makes drmyshotgun look brilliant in comparison.

Plus your wagon hunt list makes absolutely no sense. Why is FakeGod crossed out? You called his rack vote terrible. Why is my name randomly crossed out? How the hell are Maxous and The Mini-Librarian higher scum-targets than Pine and Junpei? You need to explain the fuck out of that.

Plus your attitude towards the rack wagon was scummy as balls. You fought against it like crazy, calling it scum-driven. Then when people started complaining about how long Day 1 was, you jumped on it saying that "the day needed to end" then turned around and called FakeGod terrible for doing the same thing? WTF?

reds comments to AH wasn't an attack. GI, LLD and Ben are fucking immature to get pissed about said statement. If I had bullets I'd shoot each one for being whiny little bitches.

Fakegod is crossed out b/c he's not my first lynch choice. A few people, myself included, didn't have Jason in high praise. When he replaced in he hadn't fully caught up yet wich is fine but he promised to and then voted rack. I was kinda hoping he'd catch up before the day ended but meh.

Your name is crossed out...did you really not read? GAH!!! You're like the third person to ask me this shit.

↑ Nero Cain wrote:
Today I'm interested in, and I think this is the best place to find scum, lynching from the rack wagon. Specifically the unslashedout names. The only other one that I'm interested in lynching is psyche.

I don't have a scum read on Pine and Jun is fairly weak.

Considering the first three votes are Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, Psyche. Yeah I'm pretty cofident scum are in those 3 and I wouldn't be suprised to find even more. Though it was pretty obvious that Rack was going to be the day 1 lynch and nothing new was really going on. We needed a flip.

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:21 pm**

/bah X_X

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:29 pm**

I might as well tell you guys everything Vijay and Antihero discussed. Since I'm likely to get bullied Night 2.

1. Antihero said Mastin (says his reads are always wrong on Anti) and redff (says he's an insulting player who doesnt let go of certain things) are terrible players.

2. Antihero gave reads on people based on Rack flip (interestingly they didn't post anything about me. perhaps they knew I was going to be one of them soon anyways? Lol).
I'll just give simplified version of what he said:
Psyche: White-Knighting Scum
Kublai Khan: Null leaning Town
Scooby: Has a lot of nerves being part of shitstorm although it had nothing to do with him. Needs to seek replacement for himself. Does not play. Threat to Town although no sufficient evidence that he is scum.
FakeGod: Scum. Anti has no idea why people think he is Town. Says Jason was mighty scummy.
Firestarter: Lurking scum.
The Mini Librarian: Not as scummy as Psyche, but still White-Knights.
Deasvail: Another White-Knight, but Town looking.
Macros: Based on how scummy his wagon was, he's probably just Town.
Code_X: Tentative Town. Thanks to Ninja
Benmage: 100% Town.
Pine: Scum. With half-hearted, with convictions that doesnt look genuine.
drmyshottyizsik: Based on his Meta, he's being scummy.
Hezlucky: Townish
Nero Cain: Probably Town.
Lady Lambdadelta: Might be serial killer but otherwise seem town.
Junpei: Just like Scooby, but he's scum.
Maxous: Town. But might be surprise scum.
GreyICE: Can't read him, but most likely to be replaced.

3. Vijay says:
Pine is definite scum.
GreyICE looks scum.
Benmage, LLD, Kublai: looks like a scum-team right there.
Mastin is Town or perhaps 3rd party.
FakeGod is null(Thanks to Jason).
No read on Psyche.
RedFF is Town. But also a douche.

4. Vijay wanted to get Night-Killed. Wish come true.

5. Vijay says Mastin posts Mega-walls that contains Nothing. He hates it.

6. Anti says he doesnt see Redff as scum. Just one of the worst players in this game. Says Red will end up blaming everything on him.

7. Anti and Vijay both wanted some vigilante abilities along with their Mason status. Me too. But fat chance.

Based on these two, I shall put my vote on this person:
VOTE: Pine
The person they both agreed as scum.

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:39 pm**

lol Whiteknighting scum

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:46 pm**

Hey up.

How do I do the spoilers? Post on the way - don't want it to be all over the page and give everyone a headache.

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:49 pm**

Spoiler: how to do a spoiler

Or quote my post and copy it.

Also that QT recap means nothing at all and could easily have been faked. Interesting that they just posted reads and didn't really discuss anything though..

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:58 pm**

↑ Pine wrote:Rack claimed way before he was at L-1, Maxous's comparison to Sky in NY142 doesn't hold water. Completely different situations, and completely different people. NS is exactly the kind of person I'd expect to claim VT as scum, just because scum don't usually do it.

He claimed when he was psuedo at L-1.
If you think NS would do that as scum for meta reasons, fine. (though why you said 'wifom' and not 'NS would totally do this as scum' is beyond me)

Your scooby vote makes no sense to me at all.
And I think you are being intentionally oblivious to the 'mod clarification on VT issue'. It was explained he was clarifing head reveal and why(as it was vague in the ruleset)

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:03 pm**

Spoiler: Some thoughts

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:07 pm**

Benmage, Mastin, FakeGOD, RedFF - We should lynch one of these four.

Vote RedFF

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:21 pm**

1. Psyche - Votes Maxous/ No one else. More needed.
2. Kublai Khan - Similar to Mastin.
3. scooby - Lazy. Townish
4. FakeGod jasonT1981 - Jason struck me as scummy. FakeGod has done nothing.
5. Firestarter - Must re-read. Think again he got picked on somewhat
6. The Mini-Librarian - I liked early but he seems to have dissapeared.
7. rack - TOWNIE
8. DeasVail - I think he's town. He's been ganged up on a bit
9. Macros - Scummish. Doesn't contribute much.
10. Code_X NihilisticNinja
11. Benmage - Nothing. Voted Rack first lynch didn't move.
12. Pine - Meh. My eyes glaze over reading his posts
13. drmyshottyizsik - Useless. Hardly posted. Lurked.
14. HezLucky - Townish. Do like recent posts.
15. drmyshotgun - I guess we have to believe.
16. Nero Cain - Not much of a read. I'm guessing there's a bit of previous with a few players
17. redFF - Scumlike. Pushes several wagons. Nothing of note. Doesn't contribute. Bad...... Very bad.....
18. Antihero Candy Corn Vampire - TOWN MASON
19. mastin2 - Tries hard to please, but strikes me as scum
20. Lady Lambdadelta - Aggressive townish. Does like to take a stance, warming too.
21. Junpei - Voting Red alone is good.
22. Maxous - Need to review but didn't move from Psyche
23. vijay2vasandani - TOWN MASON
24. GreyICE Praetyre - Praetyre nothing. ICE no real read

Posted: **Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:37 pm**

Well, they did have discussion. The QT was basically a discussion and I just summarized the parts for you guys. Interesting that you see my post as possible "fake", Junpei. Why would I be faking things like this?
Does that mean you don't believe my status?

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:25 am**

Few thoughts:

I still don't believe in drmy's claim. There's nothing I see in his posts day 1 or 2 that confirms him as town in any way.

I actually don't think Nero's 1014 was a scumslip. I could see myself writing up a case on my d1 scum read, and if nothing changed during the night in regards to my scum read, then I would post it up.

I have not made my mind up on pine case yet. I will do so soon.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:38 am**

Ok, a quick catch up on today and now I'm looking over the individual poster function thing.

I actually had a post typed out there, and I read through it and realised it could be sumarized quite easily:

Nero and Redff, if not for their abrasive posting style (I'm unaware if this is their normal tone) I don't think they would have garnered as much interest as they have.
That being said I could easily vote for either of them because of it, it just irritates me

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:41 am**

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Well, they did have discussion. The QT was basically a discussion and I just summarized the parts for you guys. Interesting that you see my post as possible "fake", Junpei. Why would I be faking things like this?
Does that mean you don't believe my status?

Well you claimed Universal Backup turned mason, so you have no choice but to fake the QT.

You would have claimed Universal Backup turned mason because you claimed Universal backup and a mason died.

You would have claimed Universal Backup because scum don't kill Universal Backups right off the bat and you could know it is multiscum or just feared SK.

Code_X: Those reads aren't great (as in they are very minimalistic) but I understand why that is so. I guess I will ask what you think of the "nero scumslip".

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:46 am**

Hey guys away for the weekend, wont be back till Sunday.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:50 am**

↑ Junpei wrote:
↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Well, they did have discussion. The QT was basically a discussion and I just summarized the parts for you guys. Interesting that you see my post as possible "fake", Junpei. Why would I be faking things like this?
Does that mean you don't believe my status?

Well you claimed Universal Backup turned mason, so you have no choice but to fake the QT.

You would have claimed Universal Backup turned mason because you claimed Universal backup and a mason died.

You would have claimed Universal Backup because scum don't kill Universal Backups right off the bat and you could know it is multiscum or just feared SK.

THANK YOU. At least one person in this game doesn't think drmyshotgun's confirmed town for no good reason.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:59 am**

But he is.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:15 am**

hey code_x you fucking idiot nobody is going to read your post and manually find and open up post xxx, please link to the post or quote if you're talking about it. I was a pretty universal townread day 1 too so please get a case together instead of just "omg redFF is really scummy everyone thinks so".

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:21 am**

↑ redFF wrote:I was a pretty universal townread day 1 too so please get a case together instead of just "omg redFF is really scummy everyone thinks so".

Being everyones' town read (which you certainly were not) in a large game day 1 means pretty much nothing on its own.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:32 am**

↑ mastin2 wrote:
TML wrote:I do agree with Mastin about there probably two scumteams barring shenanigans.
My reasoning for thinking that is somewhat flimsy, and I'm not
that
convincing. Please elaborate on why you think I'm actually correct in my theory. (...How often do you hear someone say that? )

Your post was concise and agree with the points made and the conclusion based off those points. You don't need to post 3 paragraphs to be persuasive.

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↑ Nero Cain wrote:So exactly what were you voting me for then?

Alot of LLD's posts are fed up with stupid and its not about her being on the Rack wagon its SITTING on the Rack wagon.

This is like the second time you've come to LLD's defence. Dunno if you are buddying or defending a scumbuddy.

Still waiting on you to explain why my read of LLD should have changed b/c of the night kills.

I'm voting for you because every single ounce of reasoning you've ever given for a LLD lynch has just been illogical and wrong.

I mentioned the timing of the posts because I would never write a post like overnight. I know it's a logical fallacy to apply that to you, but I was trying to put pressure on you and determine what the hell you were thinking when you posted that.

Also, what KK said.

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Pine's latest post makes me twinge.

1. He votes scooby for suggesting yesterday that rack had valid reason to confer with the mod... Which he did.

2. Places suspicion on Gunny for claiming he took over a mason role as a universal backup. You better show some evidence for this claim.

Also if both of these are true why vote for scooby? Is disagreeing with you worse than lying about your role.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:36 am**

↑ FakeGod wrote:Few thoughts:

I still don't believe in drmy's claim. There's nothing I see in his posts day 1 or 2 that confirms him as town in any way.

I actually don't think Nero's 1014 was a scumslip. I could see myself writing up a case on my d1 scum read, and if nothing changed during the night in regards to my scum read, then I would post it up.

I have not made my mind up on pine case yet. I will do so soon.

awesome. Have you caught up yet? Day 1 thoughts?

↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:

↑ Nero Cain wrote:So exactly what were you voting me for then?

Alot of LLD's posts are fed up with stupid and its not about her being on the Rack wagon its SITTING on the Rack wagon.

This is like the second time you've come to LLD's defence. Dunno if you are buddying or defending a scumbuddy.

Still waiting on you to explain why my read of LLD should have changed b/c of the night kills.

I'm voting for you because every single ounce of reasoning you've ever given for a LLD lynch has just been illogical and wrong.

I mentioned the timing of the posts because I would never write a post like overnight. I know it's a logical fallacy to apply that to you, but I was trying to put pressure on you and determine what the hell you were thinking when you posted that.

Also, what KK said.

I see you can still not explain

why

it was so wrong of me to vote for a scumread when the flips didn't change anything.

So basically I'm being voted b/c you don't like that I find LLD scummy and think she's town. How does that make me scummy? Do you honestly believe that I'm the first townie to ever put a case on someone and be wrong? How do you

know

that I'm wrong? Did I miss something, is she mod confirmed town? Unless she is I don't see how its "wrong" to suspect her. Explain to me how and why she is above suspicion?

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:38 am**

↑ Benmage wrote:But he is.

No, he's not. Universal Backup DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. Gunny fucked up his fakeclaim. Mason is NOT a power role, any more than Miller or Godfather is. It's a status. Universal Backups don't inherit it.

Looking over Maxous's most recent castigation, I'm continuing to confuse Rack and Scooby. Scooby is still scummy for his trollish refusal to participate, but he's not the one who asked for VT clarification. I need to stop being lazy in this game and get serious.

Unvote
Vote: Gunny

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:42 am**

Its up to the mod. The wiki even uses miller specifically as an example.

The term "power role" is somewhat ambiguous - generally anything that is not truly Vanilla is considered a "power role", including roles like Miller. It is ultimately up to the moderator's discretion which abilities are inheritable, though it should be planned in advance.

Gunny is not the days lynch. We should be lynching mini scum or psyche scum.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:56 am**

Last 24 hours:

Junpei: THE VI IS NOT CLEAR [Benmage: he is. Benmage still not contributing much but he's right here]
Junpei: REDFF YOU WEREN'T A UNIVERSAL TOWN READ. [He wasn't, it's true, but that's not the poitn - Junpei is basically playing the I'M GOING TO DISCREDIT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE card. Why? Doesn't help that Junpei was basically useless Day One. Is this your way of making it seem like you are contributing?]

Unvote, Vote: Junpei

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