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In post 1219, Flair wrote:Jog my memory what makes him most worth our collective focus in this moment, and not FL.

His posts are characterized by a barrage of surface level questions for other players with little to no subjective commentary from his own perspective, which I believe is an easy way for scum to ostensibly participate in the scumhunting discussion without risking revealing internal inconsistencies by simply never speaking from their own perspective. (In fairness to him, he appears to be trying to correct this after I originally pointed it out)

He also lists reads-lists that make no sense in comparison to the limited commentary he *has* provided (for instance, he most recently listed me as his #3 townread but even a cursory reading of his ISO shows he has been speculating on scum!Blair more consistently than any other player)

Finally, he and Albert conspicuously avoid analyzing each other, which should be a point in favor of scum!Looker for anyone else scumreading Albert.

In post 1222, Flair wrote:
How is that fun? Genuine question.

Next game you two and I play, we’re doing it elsewhere. We can keep these jank phase lengths of you’d like but the audience here is suspect as Hell.

It's a funny thing, but when I think of the games I've been proudest to win and saddest to lose, they've all been here. Either you like it or you don't, but there's something exalted about Mafiascum's drawn-out phases and timetables. It's a slow-burning delicate drug. I've played on many different sites but Mafiascum always sets the standard, is site on which I think people give most expression to their personae. The arrogance is just a natural consequence, and with time almost becomes charming, like the boasts of children.

In post 1225, Blair wrote:

In post 1219, Flair wrote:Jog my memory what makes him most worth our collective focus in this moment, and not FL.

His posts are characterized by a barrage of surface level questions for other players with little to no subjective commentary from his own perspective, which I believe is an easy way for scum to ostensibly participate in the scumhunting discussion without risking revealing internal inconsistencies by simply never speaking from their own perspective. (In fairness to him, he appears to be trying to correct this after I originally pointed it out)

He also lists reads-lists that make no sense in comparison to the limited commentary he *has* provided (for instance, he most recently listed me as his #3 townread but even a cursory reading of his ISO shows he has been speculating on scum!Blair more consistently than any other player)

Finally, he and Albert conspicuously avoid analyzing each other, which should be a point in favor of scum!Looker for anyone else scumreading Albert.

Thank you.

This is all fine and not far off from my original thoughts a few days ago.

I will vote Looker tonight if we can just eliminate him and move the game along. I am beyond tired of this limbo circle-jerk, where everyone excuses themself because it’s D1. If D2 is where I can begin to ask for more from everyone, then I won’t hold the game up anymore.

In post 1226, Clair wrote:

In post 1222, Flair wrote:
How is that fun? Genuine question.

Next game you two and I play, we’re doing it elsewhere. We can keep these jank phase lengths of you’d like but the audience here is suspect as Hell.

It's a funny thing, but when I think of the games I've been proudest to win and saddest to lose, they've all been here. Either you like it or you don't, but there's something exalted about Mafiascum's drawn-out phases and timetables. It's a slow-burning delicate drug. I've played on many different sites but Mafiascum always sets the standard, is site on which I think people give most expression to their personae. The arrogance is just a natural consequence, and with time almost becomes charming, like the boasts of children.

That’s very fair.

I would like to apologize. My post was not meant to demean or judge you for your preference, I just am not enjoying myself. The arrogance of several players feels unearned given their contributions. And several statements that have been made are antithesis to my theories of gameplay and mentality as a player.

I have many more thoughts on this but it’s not going to forward the game so I’ll save it.

U gotta ignore the arrogance and take the game less seriously my dude

We're about 3 days in now and with 50 pages it's close to when the wagons will probably start really consolidating. I'm waiting for Looker to respond to my questions, some of the lurkers to post a little more, and ABR to tell me if he likes red or green before I make my final decision.

It’s a predictable conflict, you have to adjust to your surroundings. You’re accustomed to rapid-fire phases (that’s how it feels when you’re used to this), so of course you’re feeling impatient. Most of this has been foreplay. It isn’t meaningless, but most of it is here to analyze later, try to enjoy it.

In post 1229, Firebringer wrote:U gotta ignore the arrogance and take the game less seriously my dude

That’s not my MO.

I prefer to play fast and hard in small games. When I want to fuck around I play games with 60+ players.

/shrug

More people should be voting for Looker.

Nah looker is town I think.

Y tho

He seems engaged. Maybe not as much as some but more than others.

Looker is town because he is... medium-ly engaged?

In post 1237, NoPowerOverMe wrote:He seems engaged. Maybe not as much as some but more than others.

Put these players on a scale for me. Those more and less engaged than Looker.

And while you're at it, can you define engaged FYPOV? Thanks.

We have some players with high engagement levels, which is great for town, but I don't think being medium-ly engaged makes him scum. I'd rather lynch others.

In post 1114, Looker wrote:

In post 987, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 986, Looker wrote:...

• I also think that Blair's forgotten that I was already at L-1.

...

I think you have not been reading the thread.

You really stopped by just to say that? How worthless.
...

Do you know what I meant?
VOTE: Looker

Postscript: I wrote the above post when I was only at page 45. I proceeded to read the game and a wagon started on Looker. This postscript is written after I have read post 1237 by NoPowerOverMe.

Looker is at L-3.

In post 1239, Flair wrote:

In post 1237, NoPowerOverMe wrote:He seems engaged. Maybe not as much as some but more than others.

Put these players on a scale for me. Those more and less engaged than Looker.

And while you're at it, can you define engaged FYPOV? Thanks.

See my read list.

engaged is interacting with other players and trying to gamesolve.

In post 1240, NoPowerOverMe wrote:We have some players with high engagement levels, which is great for town, but I don't think being medium-ly engaged makes him scum. I'd rather lynch others.

You’re right, being medium-ly engaged definitely doesn’t make him scum. Thank no one is saying that.

Ok, well when he flips town don't say I didn't tell you so.

If he flips town, I’ll be sure to remember you warned us he was mediumly engaged.

And there are lots of crappy day 1 wagons usually and this is one of them.

In post 1247, NoPowerOverMe wrote:And there are lots of crappy day 1 wagons usually and this is one of them.

All right. Give us a day 1 wagon that is not crappy by your standards.

In post 1245, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Ok, well when he flips town don't say I didn't tell you so.

We won't, because you haven't done a job of explaining why he's a villager.

Who should we eliminate instead?