In post 1320, Mac wrote:...
Hey weird thing: Kagami said Rem is town somewhere along the lines and still is yet to move her vote. Why? Probably because she's scum.
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Except that I moved my vote ages ago and didn't realize yukari hadn't counted it (though I'm not sure why she ignored the unvote part)
Not that it would matter, I don't see why a person's vote needs to follow their opinion every post. You vote when you actually want someone lynched, not when you're worried that someone will call you on your vote not corresponding to your top scum-read or whatever.
In post 1320, Mac wrote:...
Hey weird thing: Kagami said Rem is town somewhere along the lines and still is yet to move her vote. Why? Probably because she's scum.
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Except that I moved my vote ages ago and didn't realize yukari hadn't counted it (though I'm not sure why she ignored the unvote part)
Not that it would matter, I don't see why a person's vote needs to follow their opinion every post. You vote when you actually want someone lynched, not when you're worried that someone will call you on your vote not corresponding to your top scum-read or whatever.
Yeah, that's the mod's fault. But you don't leave your vote on your townreads, if you're scum it gives the illusion of doing something with your vote when you're not.
I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =
This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.
I don't buy it, I'm not sure why you are. Just as the heat was getting screwed up, he took off. It's not town-motivated at all.
I didn't say it was a town tell. Its a human tell? Some people are conflict adverse and feel shame about fucking up and have trouble facing it. I like what I've read of his posts since he's come back. And I want to read them in more detail before I make a current judgment overall on his alignment. But for this one thing, I don't think you can begin to call him scum over it.
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:19 am
by Yukari Yakumo
VC fixed accordingly. I just wish that it was brought up sooner <. <
In post 1292, SXTLHGaiden wrote:
Also saw this in hyper-skim.
the probability of at least 1 person being scum in a selection of 5 people is 1- P(no scum in 5 people) = 1 - (16*15*14*13*12)/(21*20*19*18*17) which is about 78.5%.
Assuming 5 man scum team and no other scum.
Damn it, Gaiden. Are you scum this game? Why do you keep doing stuff that isn't scumhunting?
In post 1309, bubbajack8 wrote:Lynch me. Do it, I'm useless at this point since I've claimed, and it's going to help find scum. So fucking do it
You heard the man. Who are we to deny him his bold-fonted wish, eh?
In post 1325, Kagami wrote:
Not that it would matter, I don't see why a person's vote needs to follow their opinion every post. You vote when you actually want someone lynched, not when you're worried that someone will call you on your vote not corresponding to your top scum-read or whatever.
Makes VCA a lot less effective, for one thing.
I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.
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So, let's lynch bubba sometime? If you're really that afraid of him, I'll hammer(though I think many have also offered before me.) If it must be put off until later, I'm still open to lynching pie.
In post 1330, Kazekirimaru wrote:I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.
I don't. start doing some actual scumhunting instead of trying to trap people into scumreads like this plz
In post 1330, Kazekirimaru wrote:So, let's lynch bubba sometime? If you're really that afraid of him, I'll hammer(though I think many have also offered before me.) If it must be put off until later, I'm still open to lynching pie.
how about you respond to 1168 instead of writing it off as noise kthxbai
also I dare you to try to mislynch me. you won't succeed, ever :>
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:46 am
by Kazekirimaru
My secondary response is likely something akin to "Your case is awful."
Also, noise.
And I have no intentions of mislynching anyone. That would imply you're town, which you aren't.
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:58 am
by pieguyn
In post 1333, Kazekirimaru wrote:My secondary response is likely something akin to "Your case is awful."
In post 43, Kazekirimaru wrote:I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.
UNVOTE: VOTE: UFO
Let's do this instead.
RVS SCUMSLIP, AHOY! if you already meta'd him you would have already known how he acts in openings and thus not have to had read after his reaction
No.
Order of events:
Gaiden self-votes
I vote him, start pulling up his games. Voice my thoughts and ask him to pull up his games.
I finish pulling up his games - he tells me his games. I confirm that's all there is as far as scumgames.
I finish reading his games, state my conclusions.
In post 257, zMuffinMan wrote:
take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm
Tell me about morph?
In post 262, Tsukasa wrote:
So where does the fakeness lead?
That "maybe dram" thing looks like he's still leaning town and you don't want him to look scum
It can lead to many things, but they all have dram posturing as a common theme.
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Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?
last sentence feels fake as fuck and is a really easy angle for scum to push to look like they're doing smth
Okay?
In post 374, Kazekirimaru wrote:How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?
this is a great reaction to being townblock'd. but it's fakeable so I'm not sold ><
to answer your question my strategy is basically forming a townbloc in flux and shifting it aroudn till it seems right. then I freeze it and BOOM townblock
Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?
In post 413, Kazekirimaru wrote:What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?
You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?
wtf is this?
you call out Kagami for doing nothing then you call out Katarina for "expecting her to fire on all cylinders from the get go"? plz no
it also fits with the idea that your initial questioning of kagami was fake, considering you apparently forgot all about it
Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.
In post 519, Kazekirimaru wrote:So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?
In post 519, Kazekirimaru wrote:Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?
....rly
Really.
In post 655, Kazekirimaru wrote:Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.
You're still giving me bad feelings.
WHAT IS THIS
do you really think that
1. whether or not there exists a towngame with this in it is relevant
and
2. this would necessarily be in a previous towngame?
like is this one thing really so important for a meta check?
this question feels fake and like scum busywork
tl;dr: too many fake questions. some of it is gut but oh well
Yes, I do.
I don't know. That's why I asked.
Yes, it is.
It's not, though.
Kay.
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:05 am
by Amaranth
In post 1282, Lush Life wrote:
what was weird was it was something you jumped on when you got your foot in the game and now you are saying that it was cos of a "clique read" and I have no idea what to say next mebbe cos "clique" implies exclusionary behaviour and I am anything about but all of that.
I don't like cliques!
All I mean by clique read or whatever is not that it's the clique read or whatever but rather it's a member of your clique falling out for no apparent reason.
In post 1312, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't want to lynch bubba. the stuff he's saying in regards to his claim is looking really town. the way he's getting frustrated about people not believing him is also coming across as townish. i don't really get why he'd honestly claim his role if he is a bomb, but meh
at the very least, if he is scum, he's been planning the bomb claim since the beginning. i'm in agreement with gcbc atm - treat it like a PGO claim
I feel like this is a good post.
What does treating it like a PGO claim mean?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:13 am
by pieguyn
wow you actually did it? I thought your whole policy was that you don't interact with scumreads (see AA:MFA). why change it here? is it bc you're scum and feel the need to act all defensive?
In post 1335, Kazekirimaru wrote:Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.
no. your whole point was that Katarina shouldn't be expecting Kagami to be playing 100% right from the get go. if not, what's so specific about the "metaputer" that would cause you to focus explicitly on that? Kagami did smth that indicated she wasn't playing at 100%, Katarina called her on it, and you called her for calling her on it
all your responses suck. for each of those questions I wanna know why you asked said question and what you thought the scum motivation was behind said actions you were questioning. also cite this
In post 1330, Kazekirimaru wrote:I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.
bc I disagree. a lot of the time my vote doesn't match who I'm pressuring atm when I wanna pressure multiple slots. so this is not a scumtell. speaking of AA:MFA, remember how TNE was scum and kept poking people bc "OMG you're scumreading this person but your vote is on this person!!1!1!" this is the same shit as that
In post 1335, Kazekirimaru wrote:Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?
see my response to mollie
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:18 am
by Kagami
Katarina is referring to a specific thing that we mentioned in micro 273. I thought Kaze's reaction there was fairly reasonable and consistent.
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:22 am
by Kazekirimaru
In post 1337, pieguyn wrote:wow you actually did it? I thought your whole policy was that you don't interact with scumreads (see AA:MFA). why change it here? is it bc you're scum and feel the need to act all defensive?
In post 1335, Kazekirimaru wrote:Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.
no. your whole point was that Katarina shouldn't be expecting Kagami to be playing 100% right from the get go. if not, what's so specific about the "metaputer" that would cause you to focus explicitly on that? Kagami did smth that indicated she wasn't playing at 100%, Katarina called her on it, and you called her for calling her on it
all your responses suck. for each of those questions I wanna know why you asked said question and what you thought the scum motivation was behind said actions you were questioning. also cite this
In post 1330, Kazekirimaru wrote:I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.
bc I disagree. a lot of the time my vote doesn't match who I'm pressuring atm when I wanna pressure multiple slots. so this is not a scumtell. speaking of AA:MFA, remember how TNE was scum and kept poking people bc "OMG you're scumreading this person but your vote is on this person!!1!1!" this is the same shit as that
In post 1335, Kazekirimaru wrote:Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?
see my response to mollie
Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have humoured you.
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:03 am
by Majiffy
Spoiler: slip
In post 1309, bubbajack8 wrote:Is a bomb claim a good EM fakleclaim? Yeah, but a cop etc. is better.
Yeah, but investigative roles are easier to catch scum faking as if they're claiming D1 in a large.
