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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:00 pm
by Galron
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:00 pm
by Dunnstral
I'm town in forest fire

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:01 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1588, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1580, Off The Hook wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87781 - Chromatic Ascension, Dunn was Knight Beige
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87638 - True Love
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=83971 - Forest Fire

some (semi-)recent samples of lurkscum Dunn
there could be others from games I didn't keep tabs on but it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

-GE
I'm not lurking in the first 2 games, I'm town in the last game.
omg. If you were town in Forest fire, that would eliminate the singular correct guess based on posting habits, and it will have been wrong in every single listed game lmao

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:01 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1620, Bowser Jr. wrote:@LLD the bottom line is that Galron is a sure thing as far as I'm concerned and I would match rather lim the sure thing now than later? From the scumteam perspective Galron is already a dead man walking and I don't believe we'll get any worthwhile reactions from them if we keep him alive.

Limming him now means he isn't given another chance to steal from anyone and stifling Town power. Limming him now means scum is forced to perform the kill with someone else giving GL a shot at tracking another team member to the nightkill. If he somehow flips Town here, we at the very least have a fullclear on Skybird. All of these things I find far more advantageous than any potential decisions or manufactured reactions scum will make about a player who's basically already caught.

~Spiffy
He's not a sure thing from my POV though. The claim was hyper botched, I don't believe it, but it has all the markings of flailing newbie town in certain areas.

I feel like if Galron is town and we do this, we are in a terrible position. We learned nothing from JC and nothing from Galron, and we're down all our retaliatory night power.

Where as if we begin to take shots elsewhere and leave Galron one night, we open up other odds and learn more, and even if we're wrong and it is just Galron we don't lose much.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:02 pm
by Cephrir
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
was there a picture of your character in your role pm

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:02 pm
by DeasVail
In post 1545, Lukewarm wrote:Don't let the formatting fool you, I seriously do know something that other people don't know that indicates Juliet=scum.
I liked the joke, dw

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:02 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1617, Dunnstral wrote:The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.
Did you mean "probably scum"?

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:02 pm
by Cephrir
i wonder if i'm allowed to ask that

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:03 pm
by Bowser Jr.
I don’t think Galron is a newbie.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:03 pm
by Cephrir
lemme back that up and find out if that's an ok line of questioning.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:03 pm
by Bowser Jr.
LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:04 pm
by Off The Hook
In post 1624, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1580, Off The Hook wrote:it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for
I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:
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So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.


If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.
well then

I did notice he had middling posting rates in a lot of his scumgames though and his posting does tend to ping as distinctly scummy when he is scum, and he's at least fitting that second bill imo
but tbh I think I wanna posit another question to
Galron
, which is: what's the shakespeare quote associated with your parity cop ability?

-GE

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:04 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1631, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1617, Dunnstral wrote:The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.
Did you mean "probably scum"?
yes

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:06 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1635, Bowser Jr. wrote:LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy
Honestly because

OTH/Galron/???

and

Ceph/Dunn/??? are my like, scum concepts rn.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:06 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1637, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1631, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1617, Dunnstral wrote:The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.

I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.
Did you mean "probably scum"?
yes
Then I agree you have negative association but you're scummy individually, you have positive association with Ceph who is scummy individually and I am looking to shoot away from Galron anyway?

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:07 pm
by Galron
In post 1629, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
was there a picture of your character in your role pm
Some red haried woman and a guy with a puffy skirt.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:08 pm
by Off The Hook
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
well like

i was curious since i remembered u claimed "rosencranz" so i do believe u didnt pick it urself since it was slightly spelt wrong.

i dont know much about shakespeare at all, but me and gamma both googled it and rosencrantz seemed kinda bad to me..
am i understanding wrong, or why does it say rosencrantz and their partner guildenstern are spys serving a "corrupt king claudius"

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:09 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1638, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:OTH/Galron/???
Oh look, my current solve

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:09 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1638, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1635, Bowser Jr. wrote:LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy
Honestly because

OTH/Galron/???

and

Ceph/Dunn/??? are my like, scum concepts rn.
From your point of view, if we want to follow your plan, it should make more sense to eliminate in the first grouping where Galron is scum, because you agree he is probably scum, rather than eliminate me who is likely not with Galron.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:10 pm
by Galron
In post 1636, Off The Hook wrote:
In post 1624, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1580, Off The Hook wrote:it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for
I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:
Image

So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.


If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.
well then

I did notice he had middling posting rates in a lot of his scumgames though and his posting does tend to ping as distinctly scummy when he is scum, and he's at least fitting that second bill imo
but tbh I think I wanna posit another question to
Galron
, which is: what's the shakespeare quote associated with your parity cop ability?

-GE
The only quote I have is "be not afraid the island is full of noises"

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm
by Off The Hook
In post 1640, Galron wrote:
In post 1629, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
was there a picture of your character in your role pm
Some red haried woman and a guy with a puffy skirt.
neither of those seem like what I've managed to find via google search

VOTE: Galron
get xenoblade'd

-GE

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm
by Galron
In post 1641, Off The Hook wrote:
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
well like

i was curious since i remembered u claimed "rosencranz" so i do believe u didnt pick it urself since it was slightly spelt wrong.

i dont know much about shakespeare at all, but me and gamma both googled it and rosencrantz seemed kinda bad to me..
am i understanding wrong, or why does it say rosencrantz and their partner guildenstern are spys serving a "corrupt king claudius"
I didn't write it, and I never read it. I don't know.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm
by Cephrir
In post 1640, Galron wrote:
In post 1629, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1625, Galron wrote:
In post 1622, Off The Hook wrote:galron whyd u pick rosencrantz
I didn't. It was assigned to me. I don't even know anything about her except she was in Hamlet I think.
was there a picture of your character in your role pm
Some red haried woman and a guy with a puffy skirt.
ah, yes, rosencrantz, that character known for being closely associated with a female character.... (for clarity, this isn't the case)

well since this was answered anyway, i was wondering why you thought your character was female; he isn't

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1643, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1638, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1635, Bowser Jr. wrote:LLD can you explain why you've settled on OTH, Ceph, and Dunn as the names you'd lim today?

PEdit: I'd argue that the fact that the Galron vote has been so contested means we learn a lot regardless of his flip

~Spiffy
Honestly because

OTH/Galron/???

and

Ceph/Dunn/??? are my like, scum concepts rn.
From your point of view, if we want to follow your plan, it should make more sense to eliminate in the first grouping where Galron is scum, because you agree he is probably scum, rather than eliminate me who is likely not with Galron.
I learn less and I don't cnosider them completely impossible to mix and match.

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:12 pm
by Cephrir
In post 1641, Off The Hook wrote:i dont know much about shakespeare at all, but me and gamma both googled it and rosencrantz seemed kinda bad to me..
am i understanding wrong, or why does it say rosencrantz and their partner guildenstern are spys serving a "corrupt king claudius"
i doubt flavor = alignment here.