Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:54 am
I'm pretty sure there's day talk.
A master phase with no day talk that goes straight into day 1 is just kinda mean.
A master phase with no day talk that goes straight into day 1 is just kinda mean.
I think this post prompted me to try to do a full reset on Shielder because I couldn't really understand the scum angle there. And uh...In post 1796, Servant Shielder wrote:moon cancer, once youre caught up could you say who you think the scum are if its not anyone on my wagon?
I have a soft spot for people who show incredulity at my read on them. (Actually, I reversed my read on Assassin for a similar reason.)In post 1250, Servant Shielder wrote:so you think scum was overwhelmed and decided to ask in public rather than PT or PM to the mod? if you're serious about pursuing this argument, please walk us through it in detail. i'm gonna go make some popcorn while i wait.
pedit: i think this is probably a waste of time, and probably also a waste of limited post space. but feel free to make your case if you really want.
I am, more so since the replacement.In post 1838, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Oh, Beast was another who started calling that slot town but I currently also think Beast is town so not as weirded out by that.
My neighborhood has daytalk so I assume scum have it too.In post 1850, Servant Avenger wrote:I'm pretty sure there's day talk.
A master phase with no day talk that goes straight into day 1 is just kinda mean.
1) My point is that scum always have a preference. They don't need to know roles to have one. We can determine that preference by seeing how the votes show on the wagons.In post 1776, Servant Rider wrote:Only if you look at the end of d0. I was talking in terms of the bigger picture of d0. Ceding master to town early allows scum to avoid associatives with each other because they can't/aren't pushing a wagon on one of their own. As such, they can individually vote anyone they like.In post 1773, Servant Saber wrote:This is not true. Some town options can be better than others for scum. You're putting the cart before the horse.In post 1771, Servant Rider wrote:If scum decided to cede the master to town, which they evidently did, their votes end up literally anywhere.
And certainly, some town options will be better than scum for others. However, this predicates two things, scum knowing roles and scum believing that person X will have less of an impact on town as an IC than others. The former is impossible (excepting the people who outed information) and the latter is far more likely. I do think Archer jumped to Avenger of his own volition and that he was coached (or more likely ordered) to go back to Assassin.
I suppose my point is, where are you going with all this?
I'm getting a bit confused. So you're saying that you're being inconsistent on how you're reading lancer because you liked his admission? And what does naked voting have to do with it?In post 1774, Servant Saber wrote:It's my cog dis because of how Lancer admitted he was inactive. He didn't accuse people of being scummy for pushing him but he took responsibility for his prior play.
I like naked voting right now because I feel we have scum on the ropes but then I see a post like that and I am not so sure.
In post 1781, Servant Foreigner wrote:Caster wagon is pretty bad, not the people on it, outside shielder of course.
But it just isn't going to hit scum.
If Caster is scum, one of these two is scum with him.In post 1782, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Does anyone on the Caster wagon think that it's going to go anywhere if you don't try to persuade a fairly large contingent of the game that Caster is likely to be scum?
I'm not a fan of Beast's reply to me. My vote on Beast is clearly because I don't feel Beast is taking personal responsibility and Beast just ignores the rationale entirely.In post 1792, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:I should also mention that I'm pretty biased towards the idea of Shielder being scum purely via POE at this point, so feel free to take my posts with a grain of salt with regards to Shielder, though I really do not believe that claim.
My read on Beast fluctuates each time I read her posts.
Is it more likely that Town-Beast or Scum-Beast makes a post like this to (assumption!) Town Shielder?In post 1814, Servant Beast wrote:In post 1813, Servant Shielder wrote:hello
I've played fate/stay night vn and watched fate zero but that's as far as my fate knowledge goes
I'm confused since I'm going in blind but I'll do my best
Hello new shielder. Sorry you replaced into this slot but you are a popular wagon choice for today due in large part to how your previous owner claimed a part of their ability. Can you check your role PM and confirm, how many and under what conditions can you grant someone else a master?
I feel like town players would be a little more reserved (not sure that's the best word for what I'm getting at) and observational. Shielder 3.0's first few posts coming into the thread were pretty much the only chance they had to towntell or even inject more uncertainty about reads on their slot. The first part of Beast's post sound like the outcome was already foreordained against Shielder.In post 1870, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Both could probably make that post. Though I suppose it entirely depends on what scum-Beast thought the outcome of that would be (i.e whether scum-Beast thought town-Shielder v2 was lying and Shielder v3 would reveal that and give scum-Beast the necessary excuse to vote town-Shielder? A bit far-fetched)
Shielder 2.0 had to have lied, though. They claimed 2 different things about their role, either by accident initially and then stuck with it, or as some kind of gambit. It's more a question of whether Shielder 3.0, if town, can shine a bright townie light through all the fog, and the best chance for them of that happening is the first few posts under pressure.In post 1873, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:I mean, what you see as 'outcome was already foreordained' I see as being partial to that idea.
But again, scum-Beast would have to assume town-Shielder v2 was lying for there to be some foreordained outcome against Shielder? Or do you think Beast was going to vote Shielder regardless of what Shielder said?