Echo Bay Grits SEO [game over]

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whilst I am a serial thriller, and kill cereal when the mood takes me, you are on the wrong track.

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also highly disinterested in hunting for a serial killer until we have 1+ more groupscum flip, minimum.

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damnit ganski I thought you were cool.

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I AtE as either alignment. god I love your hair today did you do something different?

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Pretty sure I never survive til endgame. I was 100% expecting to die last night.i probably eat a scum strongman shot tonight.

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I find it easier eliminating groupscum then taking out a serial killer once the smoke has cleared (SKs in theory play like a survivalist version of townies, whereas scum have each other to back up and need to intentionally misdirect to a degree--even in multiball). It's not misdirection, it's literally "let's shoot scum with associatives first then if we don't win the game shoot other scumfucks"

pedit: that upside down look suits you too ^_^

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OK I accept that is literally misdirection. But it is well intended misdirection

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groupscum win by outnumbering SK
SK wins by killing all groupscum
town wins by killing both

why not use the part of the SK wincon that lines up with ours? It's very unlikely they become death proof just by the rest of the scumteams dying.

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I'm starting to think we should've all just random shot at the start of the game.

amen sista

tbh town would more likely win via taking random shots at this stage (assuming scum play along) but that also takes all the fun out of it

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Please tell me you agree having an extra anti groupscum NK is a positive thing?

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very true

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just gonna throw down the suggestion that anyone hipshooting me is guaranteed scum <_< >_>

^_^

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I am here.

Probably time to share what I was thinking. Scum have a LOT more to lose by getting shot than town do. So I think the PRICKS are likely to contain at least a few scum, probably more especially if there are multiple teams.

Gonna go back and look at the circumstances surrounding people joining. I may be willing to take a shot in there even knowing that it will get me shot-- although I'll definitely discuss and not just yoloherotime it. (Because that has worked out so well thus far.)

I referred to x shot on d1 and confirmed two shots today.

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Quoted in error

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Iconeum was PRICKS too. In hindsight with Taly throwing the idea down then leaving it to Sando to run it....RIP. I don't think there are many PRICKS left now tho?

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Jfc half of us

I keep forgetting PRICKS happened. It's like that crew you rolled w in middle school and like they're your bros for life but half of them are busy with other shit (work? relationships? being dead?) and the others just cbf seeing each other any more

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Nah conceptually PRANKERS has done it's job.

I'd encourage PRANKERSshooting anyone who shoots me atm thoo

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all the ducks love the lovebird!

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Boooooo

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every bit helps

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Can I just take a moment to congratulate Echo Bay Grits?
Like your scum asses are clearly struggling to actually win @ mafia but the SEO initiative has you ranked at #1 on Google for "echo bay grits" and #4 for "grits echo bay".

People who try and find out where to get grits in Echo Bay NV are gonna have a hard time going elsewhere. That's a commendable effort.

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anyone shooting ganski today is scumclaiming too, agreed. The more I think on the timing the more I think it's just NM's Beetlejuice effect

Anyone down for a massclaim?

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LG shooting NM looked OK.

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I'm so disgusted that the only Munitions goon we've taken out was fkn Not_Mafia of all people

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SO here is how I see it.

There were 3

scum

bad factions and now there are 2

Flips
2 grits goons plus a grit traitor 1 shot BP
1 munitions goon
???

So with 1 team completely wiped (I can only assume so. I cant imagine a 4 person scum team with 3 factions with what we have left... unless the rest of you are all scum, which is mind boggling) This gives us a good idea of what to expect with the other scum teams.

With 11 people alive, if the other teams follow the same exact setup, it means we would have 5 scum left (seems unlikely)

Im thinking the munitions scum team may consist of a goon + Strongman (and only be 2 ppl)
And the third team could be the same OR consist of 2 goons and a traitor.


I saw the SK theory and Im not sure waht to think about it at the moment. Is a strongman so good in this game where it would be balanced as a 1 person negative faction?

Yesterday ico didnt want to lynch him, but since he flipped grits, and grits team HAS to be no more. Now I dont know.

eyes emoji

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I worked out
who the SK is

will not be outing until I'm satisfied group scum are dead

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they have a vested interest in eliminating group scum and presumably add +1 nightkill

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always watching...
scary black beady eyes...

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vaxy something you said pinged me as Munitions!scummy. I was surprised because you've been really towny so far.

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SO here is how I see it.

There were 3

scum

bad factions and now there are 2

Flips
2 grits goons plus a grit traitor 1 shot BP
1 munitions goon
???

So with 1 team completely wiped (I can only assume so. I cant imagine a 4 person scum team with 3 factions with what we have left... unless the rest of you are all scum, which is mind boggling) This gives us a good idea of what to expect with the other scum teams.

With 11 people alive, if the other teams follow the same exact setup, it means we would have 5 scum left (seems unlikely)

Im thinking the munitions scum team may consist of a goon + Strongman (and only be 2 ppl)
And the third team could be the same OR consist of 2 goons and a traitor.


I saw the SK theory and Im not sure waht to think about it at the moment. Is a strongman so good in this game where it would be balanced as a 1 person negative faction?

ah just felt like TMI on team numbers, pretty minor

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just a formality ig
you're officially down to my second rung of townies

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yeah you don't have to like how eager I was
I think the current gamestate makes it extremely evident that scum wins if we don't have anything stirring us up
this is super stagnant, no one is gonna catch scumfucks like this

we have a maximum of 9 shots left d2.
mechanically shooting me is great but

contextually shooting me is a scum claim.

1. groupscum have to kill me to remove SK WIFOM
2. SK has to kill me because I'll out who they are d3

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I die tonight 100% tho

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if I were SK i'd push for a town win > groupscum win
I have more ded frands in the town

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yeah you don't have to like how eager I was
I think the current gamestate makes it extremely evident that scum wins if we don't have anything stirring us up
this is super stagnant, no one is gonna catch scumfucks like this

we have a maximum of 9 shots left d2.
mechanically shooting me is great but

contextually shooting me is a scum claim.

1. groupscum have to kill me to remove SK WIFOM
2. SK has to kill me because I'll out who they are d3

what scum does not shoot me tonight

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Why can't the SK be you?

You keep saying scum is going to kill you. Why?

Im going to assume scum means negative faction I guess.

What makes you believe the scum team to have a strongman kill?

Same as above

You keep saying your dying tonight without giving a reason, and why do you think if the SK kills you it outs them?

I explained why I'm dying tonight, I'm probably drawing every night kill.

Why are we SK hunting is the real question here.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

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ok I'm town softing SK really hard.

so groupscum are obligated to shoot me because I'm hardsofting the fuck out of SK. if they leave me alive it's a coinflip whether I am the SK or have found the SK. I can't see groupscum killing anyone else tonight.
I'm about 75% sure I know who the serial killer is. I will be outing my read SOD3. => SK is basically obligated to shoot me tonight or I'm confirming who they are.

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if you think I'm SK claiming town hardsofting SK then leave me to eat the night kill. it doesn't change anything.
if you think I'm groupscum claiming town hardsofting SK then leave me to NOT eat the night kill and deal with me tomorrow.


easy peasy, I don't know why you'd prefer to shoot me now and expose town to night kills?

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turst me i'm sm0rt

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either way, I eat a lot of NKs.
that means town isn't eating NKs.

just roll w it

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actually pretty sure that flips green.. D:
I was reading newbie uncertainty

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ya ok fair

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Yesssss discussion
see you guys tmrw, calling it a night

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you're fine ganski <3

honestly I can't remember who but I think the virtues of wcg's obvtownness were discussed at reasonable length EOD2. why did you shoot her without discussion gamma?

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EOD1* still asleep

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actually love
has anything struck you as specifically scummy from Vax/Davsto, or just usual PoE style?


pedit: good choice honestly

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Lovebird I fucking love you

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Compare multiple Grits and multiple Munitions flip flavours guys.. The voices in my head are telling me the flavour is just for fun and will not confirm anything about the gamestate.

Tend to agree with Ganski--unless is this is already a town loss, we probably only have Munitions and TP scum left.


Also I am still sorted via NK and will drop the serial killer identity in 2 more scum flips' time.

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For a conventional multiball scumhunting funzies

It is pinging me how Vaxxy seems substantially more concerned with the SK dying than groupscum dying rn. Clearly my reads are ass-the-fuck-up this game so take it how you will

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IMO all night kills are on me in current gamestate
Can you see a world where any of of the scumteams don't shoot me tonight?

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hmm I forgot that.

probably on the wrong track with my Vax=munitions feeling in that case. unless ya he's their traitor

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I've gone full circle on ganski and think she's town TBH.
What's making you think those 2 now?

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Gamma shot @ WCG was god awful but considering I hip shot someone I thought was scum I guess it can come from town. Contend that WCG was 10 times townier than Toranaga but ya

Seems kinda weird for ganski to strut in and shoot NM her buddy for exactly no reason... I'm getting the feeling scum don't have out of thread communications

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Davsto prob town for d2 shot BTW

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Firstly my gut is screaming that there was no planning. Secondly Bins was hardly a presence so it wasn't entirely damning, just seemed like a Thing Not_Mafia Does. And thirdly given that also revealed the presence of a third anti town faction for the first time it just seems like a downright weird move if ganski is scum

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Still think Lovebird is the most likely scum. Very little substance or engagement to any posts (a small burst of engagement yesterday with Taly but still little substance to that and then continued emptiness today), mostly just popping her head in to say anything ranging from single words to very surface level reads.

Hm. Probably gonna leave Lovebird for now. While multiball, so could be other scum, that's a hell of a risky shot to make imo.

I must say I've noticed a considerable pattern now of people suggesting those kinda strategies being scum so I'm just gonna

Shoot Austerity

Since the slot was pinging me a little anyway

thank u scum for having a very noticeable pattern

Bad read on Lovebird
Good stance on not shooting Lovebird
Good shot with decent reasoning
Good reaction to the flip

Just gut pinging hard

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Winged shot wasn't awful but I do think shooting non-munitions probs increases your chances of being munitions yourself?

Mathematically, sure. There's literally a higher chance of them being informed since they didn't shoot one of their hypo buddies.

In reality taking a controversial as fuck hip shot is probs badtown

Firstly my gut is screaming that there was no planning. Secondly Bins was hardly a presence so it wasn't entirely damning, just seemed like a Thing Not_Mafia Does. And thirdly given that also revealed the presence of a third anti town faction for the first time it just seems like a downright weird move if ganski is scum

Bins was very towny and it was pretty damning because of that. Random shooting was well over by that point iirc.

Also xyzzy literally stated this is multiball in signups so

True but multiball could be any kind of setup (e.g. 1 scumteam 5 serial killers. 3 scumteams..etc. etc.) every tiny piece of structural multiball information helps town more than it helps the team the information comes from.

I get where you're coming from, sure, I just don't feel munitions!ganski.

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re 1693--ok probably should've realised it was 2 scumteams + X from the get go but I didn't read into the flavour that hard. Don't think anyone did.

Hindsight 20/20

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She was in a couple of shotpools and had a couple of pretty strong townreads iirc. That's the kinda shot I could see people venging. I'd expect scum to talk about that kinda shot before taking it.

Good point re multiball theories, only saw that after posting sorry. At this juncture I know the theories are likely wrong, but I didn't know that at the start of the game.

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Why Vax again?

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I think we're at an impasse with Ganski reads. She's a bad shot here though imo

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Do you think all of NM's buddies would take the same tact? O_o

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That sounds like p poor play for an entire scumteam
But alas, you're the one with the bullet. I'm only playing duckling's advocate.

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In other news now that EBG is maybe dead?? An update on their SEO status.
A travesty.
They have not even registered on the AskJeeves search platform.
If their heavy use of firearms wasn't enough evidence that Echo Bay Grits is dangerous, this is just the ICING ON THE CAKE.

pedit: I shot Toranaga D:

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I should update Brie's table again but uh
Effort... ,_,

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one comma, one hundred meanings~

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ouch.
across all lines of thought scum is probably more likely to nullread buddies than anything else.

what do you make of that?

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my current feel tbh

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it's probably optimal to shoot those who have shot anyway
shit I thought his last shot was really towny...and I'm too tired to read meta

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No I'm saying I think my take on Davsto was jank

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What makes you think Grits isn't finished?

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Think munitions goon(s) are in davsto and possibly vax

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I actually like Vax for munitions.

Ganski is one tr tier under lovebird.
Gamma one tr tier under her.

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What makes you think Grits isn't finished?

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What makes you think Grits isn't finished?

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3 goon + 1 traitor Grits flips
2 going Munitions flips

....? if 2 Munitions there's probably no more Grits?

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Hmm I strongly strongly disagree about flavour. In my experience with xyzzy they give away the smallest amount of information possible for the game to be intriguing and enjoyable. But let's try it.....

@mod -- will there be any "faction death" flavour or flavour which indicates things about the current gamestate?

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that's not factoring in a sk

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SK = 凸(-_-)凸 ev of all other factions

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That was me taking a lovely sip of water then seeing the Stefan quote you posted then spitting my water out!

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Usually one way or the other and iirc your case hinges on scumteams knowing their traitors?

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I'm gonna be asleep soon and I've already basically claimed so

2sbp citizen

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Davstizzle is indeed correct.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=76051

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it's what the cool kids are doing

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#stilltown

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bad shot

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I think as far as munitions go there's at least 1 in {Vax, light}

and if it's Vax there's another 1v1 in {light vs Davsto}

why is Vax town?

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Ausuka your treatment of Vax in the last 12 hours has been really strange.

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also
#stilltown

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If you're lockscum on Stefan shoot him here tbh.
He is the only scumread you have who has S shot left.

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Like if I had to pin someone as fkn bleeding obvious town right now I'd flip a coin between Love and Ganski.

Too many people have agreed with this.

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I'm very clearly not groupscum Ausuka

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I agree you're dipping out of your scumrange
but you also underestimate yourself

ok confidence in Stefan read?

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Because I think your Munitions reads are so-so.

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#stilltowntoo

*ducky fistbump*

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Final guess:

The town are

Ausuka

, Lovebird and

Vaxkiller

.

The Grits is

StefanB

.

The Serial Killer is the worst.

The Munitions are light_ganski, Gammagooey, Davsto (traitor)

FTR people who have shots left.
If you think Stefan is scum and have any level of confidence I have a feeling it's mechanically best to shoot him and remove an antitown bullet?

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I actually like Vax for Munitions. Gamma is probably right given how close to the finish line we are. Davsto confuses me.

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I think our major impasse is ganski. I'm pretty sure she's town dude

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I'm reasonably certain, still, that all NKs are comin my way

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Why?

Consistent good posting, her d1 shot, has shown no signs of selective scumhunting, has no poor associative with dead Munitions scum.

Multiball reads are OK at best but I feel OK here.

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OOC Echo Bay Munitions are my favourite faction in the Echo Bayniverse

in context they must die

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Sorry, can you refresh me on Theta associatives?

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kinda vague and I'm not sure if they apply here

this is a good summary of all MB scumhunting...

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I don't recall disagreeing with either of those statements at the time

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I mean that's what prompted my entire thing about maybe Davsto being a genius after all. We were handing out trs like candy d1 and then shooting people for really minorly scummy things.

Check more of ganski's reads and others' reads around the time, in context I don't find her Theta read any more forced than most of our D1 TRs


pedit: I'm not SK

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I'm a bit sleepy to pore through all of d1 but my memory of our reads is pretty cringey.

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pedit: I'm not SK

Yeah I got a little sidetracked at the end with my theory on who'd be aiming for who that I got distracted from the main point of you

But anyway I doubt grits is going for you unless they have strongman since it's largely wasting a night shot.

What was your reasoning for thinking people would NK you again? It was something about softing SK and so scum would have to shoot you because they want SK gone and it could be you, right?

Yeah. I also have a really strong theory on who the actual SK is but I'd rather they win than groupscum so won't out it unless it looks like we could have a town win today


So SK is probs on me too

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Sure. On the balance of probabilities I'm eating 1-2 NKs all the same.

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sup

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Actually V/La for about 48 hours as well. sorry guys.

@mod[/b[

If you really want me dead pls post intent & a very good reason and we can chat when I'm back xx

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I think Ausuka is right in saying she's outside her scum range
I'm p comfortable with Lovebird town
I am also fairly sure Ganski is town


those are the strongest ones off the top of my head honestly.

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Shoot damnit ppl

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Vaxk > Gamma > Loveb

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H Y P E

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Very serious hype rn.

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Bummer. So close. Wp munitions

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As Davsto rightly said no one but the sk actually had a reason to shoot me last night. I was pretty sure munitions would shoot lovebird (obvaftown) and didn't anticipate the existence of another serial killer who would also shoot me.

5p LyLo with {Ganski and Davsto} Vs. {Ausuka and Gamma} is good for me since I could try and frame Ganski as the SK (she spewed TMI on SK early d2 and the n1 MoI kill was clearly intended to frame me since he was gonna revise his read on me d2!)

Too much gambit but it was worth rolling the dice. otherwise ganski just pushes me as SK until someone shoots me. >:

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5p LyLo with {Ganski and Davsto} Vs. {Ausuka and Gamma} is good for me since I could try and frame Ganski as the SK (she spewed TMI on SK early d2 and

the n1 MoI kill was clearly intended to frame me since he was gonna revise his read on me d2!)

Lol the bolded.

sorry MoI. was cool meeting you briefly. your gut read was too on point....

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Gamma blindsided the fuck out of me tbh.

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I absolutely would've won this if I wasn't shot

You would have died N1 tho

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If the Worst isn't scum / SK then they are the worst (irony, amirite) at convincing anyone with the whole "Every scum shoots me" stuff junking up the thread.

Just gonna highlight this as my favourite post in the dead thread. Shitting up the thread and being too annoying to dayvig was exactly what I was going for.



Also shout-out to davsto for disagreeing group scum is incentivized to kill me itt then killing me as group scum.

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no u.

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Mmmmmmm sounds like your fault for getting hipshot early

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excuses excuses