Mini Normal 2114: Game Over
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You're smart, right? Surely you must infer that there can be town slots that are an impediment to town's winning chances?- Auro
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@Insomnia That's cool, man. Would you have time to answer any questions I might throw? It's okay if you don't.- Auro
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They'll come in a while!
Also, in my neighborhood many hours ago, I had a little conversation with Looker where I was saying that hostility and calling others dumb wouldn't help her as town; she said I could be scum for this, and I asked why. She said she wouldn't tell me my "tells" because I'd know not to commit them, or something like that, and didn't talk afterwards.- Auro
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Does *Flavor Leaf* of all people hardbus the crap out of a partner D1 and cause their replace-out?- Auro
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Was it the "you haven't read the thread, otherwise you'd have sorted me by now" thing?- Auro
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Flavor, Looker's making zero attempt to be townread.
Also, there's literally zero reason for her to NK Titus... Who was working with her and didn't suspect her.
Pretty sure it's not Looker.- Auro
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I was thinking about the Titus kill. While DP claimed neighborizer+rolecop, DP was saying a lot of things out of tilt and I think scumsomnia would've taken that with a grain of salt.
Titus actually affirming that is different though, and given Insomnia thought she claimed *cop*, it seems obvious that he would make a night kill.
Interestingly, when I pointed out that she's a rolecop, he said the remaining scum was bad at mechanics, or something of the like... Hmm.- Auro
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Insomnia, can you give me a convincing reason for why Bob would lynch his partner with the possibility of multiple investigative roles, when he could've voted me?- Auro
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If you didn't pick it up as town after a whole day of play and the flip, I think you can make that mistake as scum too, Insomnia.
If you think Bob could be scum, I'd still like you to answer why he'd bus when there are invests left.- Auro
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In post 3406, insomnia wrote:Titus was a fucking cop
Why are we even discussing the nightkill here and who would make it? Everyone would.In post 3409, Auro wrote:She was a rolecop, not really much of a mechanical threat unless there's a traitor?
Here's me pointing out that she was a rolecop, and you still thinking she was an alignment cop.In post 3410, insomnia wrote:Not much of a threat? 2 clears is not enough of a threat? A potential red is not a threat? Lmfao- Auro
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Do you claim that town!FL doesn't do these kinds of lol re-evaluations?- Auro
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Of course it matters who gets lynched - lynching a partner, even if dead weight, is largely inferior to lynching the counterwagon or even just vanity voting, given the potential for investigatives. And he didn't just park and piss off - he detailed his townread of me and kept calling Pine out for prodging.
My purpose of asking was that if you believe as town that it's plausible Pine's partner would bus him in this gamestate... You would do that as scum, and thus that weakens the towncred you get for the lynch.- Auro
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Me? After I literally posted saying FL is obvtown and dead! Auro would treat pushes on him as scumclaims, and if he makes it to F3 he still shouldn't be lynched?In post 3641, insomnia wrote:Also, who does he even kill from his PoV other than titus?
You're also a decent lynch candidate for FL.- Auro
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Your own words, Insomnia.In post 3320, insomnia wrote:Why would I mind my dead weight scum bud dying when I can get huge credit anyway.
I'd most likely bus him effortlessly and ride that til late game. He's useless for me as a scum buddy. I'd love to bus him.
Your arguments equally apply to FL and Bob.- Auro
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What changed regarding your read of me?In post 3240, insomnia wrote:If Auro’s scum he’s probably bussing his non-posting scum partner anyway
As long as the pool remains exactly the same and we lynch there tomorrow, I’m fine with laying Pine to rest.- Auro
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This was your reaction when I posted that I was Pine's counterwagon.In post 3326, insomnia wrote:
LMFAOIn post 3323, Auro wrote:
And yet...In post 3320, insomnia wrote:Pine is at 4 votes, there's no counter wagon
Looker is trying to push a TFL wagon.
Titus is trying to push a TFL wagon, and is now trying to push a Rex wagon.
You're trying to divert to an Auro wagon.
All three are viable Pine partners.
Your theory was that we were bussing, of course I'd be a counterwagon to Pine - I don't see why my being a counterwagon is suddenly reason to focus elsewhere now.- Auro
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As scum does he have many other options to take? After locking in to his townreads of Rex and TFL.- Auro
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Insomnia, I agree with the rest of your townreads. I think you individually have the highest scum equity right now especially because of the night kill, so I think you're the correct lynch today. If you flip green, town can go Bob, and if that also flips green, maybe consider FL!scum more seriously. How does this proposal sound?- Auro
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I mean, there are three mislynches he needs as scum. TFL/Rex aren't candidates. That leaves you, me, Looker and Bob. A Looker lynch today because "she's anti-town" allows for a Bob->FL trajectory later. So he has to lynch Looker, and also scumread at least one of {Flavor, Auro} to win the game.In post 3664, Auro wrote:As scum does he have many other options to take? After locking in to his townreads of Rex and TFL.
I wonder why he'd go for you instead of me, though, when he had established yesterday that I could be Pine's partner and bussing him. If I'm that scary, might as well just lynch my yesterday, right?- Auro
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And he was pretty chill with it until I started asking to sell me on Insomnia town, and then he said he'd flip you if Bob was green.In post 3669, Flavor Leaf wrote:Thing is, Auro, I gave Insomnia a win on a pedestal earlier with my looker bob fuzzy chain- Auro
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I agree on Looker/TFL/Rex.
I also think you're scum.- Auro
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That, and a PoE, Insomnia.In post 3674, insomnia wrote:The only thing you got is that weak accusation of me forgeting Titus’ role which is just bogus, no way you’ve ever killed a town as scum only based on “I knew he was a PR, which PR i could give less of a fuck”
Looker/TFL/Rex we all agree are town.
FL is town by meta and play.
I'm town fmpov at least.
Leaves {Bob, Insomnia} and you're definitely the scummier of the two.- Auro
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It's a suboptimal NK for Flavor Leaf, unless he just wants to eff with us. Which I can actually imagine, but no way in hell he busses his partners that way.
*If* this is actually FL's scumgame here, FL is just... crazy.- Auro
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The level of ignorance you had for that one particular mechanic (cop vs rolecop) was revealed in the exchange I quoted earlier - when I said rolecop isn't a threat and you replied that it obviously is. That means it's likely you'd make the same mistake interpreting "rolecop" that way as scum.
Well, even if you believed I could catch you easily, you'd still want to kill the cop.
FL's optimal kill is someone who can plausibly push him in later days and wields enough charisma to pose a threat. You kept mentioning you'd re-evaluate FL if he makes it to LyLo. You held enough sway in thread to get the lynch you wanted.
I would have also been a decent candidate kill - FL likely knows that my position on "obvtown reads" can change depending on circumstances, and he also knows I can get difficult to lynch as town. Killing melocks inthat FL is town - he can simply requote my EoD3 posts to anyone suspecting him. My death also makes Titus/Looker/Insomnia easy pushes - especially Titus after I directly said she was scumclaiming.
What does a Titus kill achieve for FL? Nothing. She wasn't really pushing him. Her kill forces me to re-evaluate. TFL gets lightly incriminated, but FL didn't even push that angle. The winpath he's taking if scum is a lot harder to navigate than if he killed you or me.- Auro
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Not if you just *assumed* rolecop means cop. There was no question of ambiguity in our exchange. If you doubted that rolecop may not be the same as alignment cop, sure, but it's clear you didn't.
It's not a matter of comprehension - maybe you would - but it just seems plausible enough that it's a fitting explanation for the kill.
Lynching you is the plan. You're convinced that the other scum is in {FL, Bob, Auro} - pick two of us to lynch after you.- Auro
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When it's the only possible explanation for an otherwise poor night kill!In post 3684, insomnia wrote:Ever since when is ignorance for PRs scum indicative.- Auro
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Well, I share your townreads, and you're in my PoE... given we have three mislynches, even if I was suspect of Bob and FL (like you are) that leaves {Bob, FL, Insomnia} as my PoE, similar to how {Bob, FL, Auro} is yours - is that not reason enough to lynch you?In post 3687, insomnia wrote:You'll need something better than a supposition to lynch me!- Auro
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Spoiler: Kanna's EoD1 progression
He seems to want Gjt lynched, but FL's hardpushing the crap out of Nomnomnom... so joins it. Hm.
Because you have far more scum equity than either.insomnia wrote:Why me over bob / fl?
You would bus your partner, and nightkill Titus.
Bob wouldn't bus his partner in all likelihood, and the Titus kill makes little sense for him.
FL wouldn't bus his partners this hard all game, and the night kill makesabsolutelyno sense for him.
Insomnia >> Bob > FL.
So you're first I guess?- Auro
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Indeed, I might be conf-biased. However, I'm not going to place my vote right now.
It's hard to believe your "anti-bus meta" when you continuously called Pine "dead weight", and said you'd "mostly likely bus him effortlessly" earlier.
Sure, I'll leave you alone - do your thing.- Auro
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I see Nicholai only crumbed his role and didn't claim it, while Gjt did - interesting, why was Nicholai killed N1 then?- Auro
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I'm all for transparency. Don't think WIFOM should be a reason to hide thoughts anyway *shrug*In post 3712, Looker wrote:Is there ever a point where we lay all our cards on the table and post a scum-town spectrum? Or is that too much WIFOM?- Auro
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Okay, so let's look at ScumosaurusRex's plan.
1. Titus neighborizes+rolecops him and finds him to be vanilla.
2. He calls Auro towny.
3. He talks about a Titus/Pine scumread and promises to elaborate later.
4. He hammers his buddy Pine, with a couple hours left to deadline.
5. He NKs Titus, who he said he suspected, and who I said scumclaimed.
What is his agenda?
He's super towny by tone, but I don't know if I can describe that easily - but if you're seriously considering the world where Rex is scum, do answer the above.- Auro
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So you're townreading Bob now?In post 3722, insomnia wrote:This game makes no sense unless it’s FL or Auro.- Auro
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I struggle to see how this comes from scum!TFL, this is just suicidal.In post 3567, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Titus is weird Kill unless there is a scum PR. Titus and me would be the obvious lynch today given how the lynch happened. I am still a good lynch
option given i was off both of the Nom and Pine lynch .- Auro
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It's fair to call them out for not participating, especially if they're town- Auro
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Both of you are town, probably. Looker, I think Insomnia is highest scum equity right now given the NKs and play, what do you think?- Auro
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I get you FL <3
But we should solidify our reads.- Auro
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While Sausa's posts aren't impressive and he needs to put in more, everything else points to him being town.
I got the impression that Bob was parroting some arguments I made long ago, but I'm curious to see his full analysis and conclusion.- Auro
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Whoever scum is, they made suboptimal plays, and in Insomnia's case we have explanations for why. Insomnia, I apologize if you are in fact town. Barring FL, I'll follow any lynch you dictate for tomorrow.- Auro
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*shrug* I'll worry about being wrong on that if I find myself in LyLo with FL. Sure, we'll lynch Bob if you flip town.- Auro
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Why would I take you to LyLo?In post 3766, Flavor Leaf wrote:Man, Auro, if you’re scum expecting to lynch me in lylo....fuck- Auro
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Also, there are two other reasons I said that which I won't point out rn and don't have to do with any scumread on you lol- Auro
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Tell me one slot for which the NKs and lynches make sense.In post 3764, bob3141 wrote:Auro i dont get why you think insomnia is scum- Auro
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>Explains otherwise suboptimal NKs
>Kanna's activity around Nom looks like a resigned bus
>Your bad scumread of FL
>Setting up lynches (Looker->Bob->FL, etc)
>Bad push on me yesterday
>Read/stance change on me from yesterday (Auro is Pine's buddy!) to today- Auro
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You honestly believe FL's just screwing around with us instead of taking one of the many more optimal strategies?- Auro
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Bob>TFL>Looker>Rex>Flavor is where I'd stand if you were town.- Auro
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In a world where you're scum and thought she's an alignment cop?- Auro
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You can convince everyone else, because I'm not voting FL. Perhaps case him so people will sheep you after your flip. Or case me. I've sorted everyone else and they seem townier than you.- Auro
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Link me games where he's done this, and I'll biteIn post 3796, insomnia wrote:In what game does FL bus day one? I'll tell you what games.- Auro
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How do you apply meta, then?
If there's one consistent behavior over *years* of play it's unlikely they'll suddenly break it now, yeah?
As I said, if I find myself in LyLo with FL perhaps I'd give it greater thought. - Auro
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