Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Titus]

you three are 100% not mason

I'm at work this morning. Please get a claim from OkaPoka. Do not hammer while I am away, regardless of the claim.

[Titus]

Also sorry Spiffeh. I couldn't muddy you up enough.

[Titus]

explains why scum!her doesn't get nightkilled
the gambit looks towny because it doesn't make any sense for scum to do it
but it's not towny because logically it doesn't achieve what she aims she was trying to do with it

Huh? Why would Oka be near the top of anyone's night kill list?

[Titus]

I feel like this game is in the bag. OkaPoka and the Ascetics is probably a solve.

Nah, Espy is pretty locktown to me.

I also see zero vote manipulation happening from that squad. Some gunsmiths get false positives too.

[Titus]

I need to talk with RR today at a minimum. The gunsmith positive also goes against my theory.

Just woke up, then work, but let me know if you have anything in particular you want to hear my thoughts on.

-Cerb

Thoughts on S and W scum being a vote manipulation tactic?

[Titus]

I need to talk with RR today at a minimum. The gunsmith positive also goes against my theory.

Just woke up, then work, but let me know if you have anything in particular you want to hear my thoughts on.

-Cerb

Thoughts on S and W scum being a vote manipulation tactic?

Are you asking me whether or not I think the pushes on S&W came from scum or from town? I *assume* that's what you're asking. I'll take a look at the wagon that formed there.

-Cerb

I realize my question was badly formed. Do you think S and W is scum and that two scum slots were deliberately wagoned d1 to fuck with my VCA?

[Titus]

Why would S & W throw their teammate that hard on D1?

@Pine

Answered below, as that's my theory.

[Titus]

Be kind, please. It’s not easy.

+1 The draft is the HARDEST part of this game. The second hardest hiding the masons.

[Titus]

I'm not sure either.

[Titus]

A very common conclusion of Titus VCA is that if one wagon flips scum, the other very likely is town. The wagons were very awkwardly static until the Amrun wagon. So that's why I wonder.

It's something a scum mastermind would postulate to go deep.

[Titus]

I'm kinda surprised pine still doesn't get how drafting works but pine's argument feels more vengeful-ghosts attacking krazy than micc's pokeman-attacking krazy at a glance

-S

Why did you refer to yourself in third person?

[Titus]

Alright so flavor hectic solve is back on the table im vt

Ok, this is a 1 v 1. Question, why would Hectic lie here? I could see it in a double scum scenario but why would he fake a guilty on you?

My read on him is scummer than you by tone but I can't see why.

[Titus]

Sherlock why aren't you trying to stab me with angry pitchforks for sinning by townreading confirmed scum?

Actually I was going to ask Titus if today could be a gladiation between you and Frozen-Angel slot but now I kinda just want to lynch somnia. Also Hectic did the 'early day THING' already so feel like the big moment has already passed on a much less informative THING

-S

I wouldn't approve a gladiator here, regardless of the targets.

~Titus

[Titus]

@FL of 131 - RR is definitely a heavy but can flex to second in command.

[Titus]

Amrun, to answer your message, yes, I do think that is a possibility. That said, I think you should try to target someone with your ability and say something very specific in the message that only the person who receives it could recite in the thread. This might help us find any hidden ascetics in the game.

TrueSoulEnergy
Espeonage
Bitmap
insomnia
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational

I am pretty sure these 8 names contain 3 scum which is pretty good odds I think. I really think that TSE has high scum equity. Especially with the BS role he claimed. He would be trying to kill scum as hard as possible knowing he could kill them when they killed him. His play is different from the Masquerade Dance I saw and his play in Mainstream Mafia II where I felt he was town siding.

I think I am most upset about not having a town read on Reasonably Rational and my reads on Espeonage and AaronFrost weakening.

Why send such a friendly strategy comment? That seems unlike you.

Also how did you eliminate everyone on your list to reach your PoE?

[Titus]

Titus, did you and Spiffeh discuss any one in particular

I don't think I can answer this without revealing who is not a mason. Why did you ask this?

[Titus]

I never know why people with abilities don’t target people no one can read but with big presences (FL, Ank, etc) but I will let people make their own mistakes

Why are you making strategy requests like this? It feels like rolefishing.

[Titus]

I'm hard-vetoing an insomnia lynch for d2

Why?

[Titus]

uhhhhh

I don't have 5 locktown reads at this point, I'd have to double check why I was townreading who I was townreading when I went through the thread initially (up to p36)

I threw out all my d1 reads due to one of my stronger townreads flipping scum but I think there might be some stuff to salvage from them

How does insomnia make your top 4?

[Titus]

What RL friends
I’m basically alone

Echoing Krazy. Help is available and it does get better. I used to be the same.

[Titus]

YEAH IF I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO GET HELP THEN I WOULDN’T BE IN THIS FUCKING POSITION

*hug* Well, I'll pray for you. I can tell you it gets better though.

[Titus]

*hug* Well, I'll be here.

[Titus]

so what I'm getting from this game is that I'm going to have to do a messy 1v1 with krazy to get anywhere in this game and idk if I feel like doing that

Why do you feel this way?

[Titus]

How about a friendly push from me...

What about seeing wagons on Amrun gobble AF and OkaPoka? Spiffeh and I discussed these slots last night. I want to see who pushes where.

[Titus]

Why are your vetoes vetoes?

[Titus]

Oka is mech confirmed town

Explain it to me please. I was sick last night and today.

[Titus]

titus, i still think RR is scum and my thoughts are that Pine is probably thread spewed which just annoys me but it could be a reality.

I think RR's analysis on Pine is correct. That does not mean RR is town. Spiffeh made similar RR comments you did. Fact is RR is a terrible lynch Day 1, regardless of alignment. While it frustrates me, RR doesn't like to vote until absolutely sure. I do expect him to comment on my list.

[Titus]

Titus you would me

I need to sort you. I'm using these people as slots to sort and get reactions. If Oka's mech town then nm on Oka though.

[Titus]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

if spiffeh was fine with this then i'm feeling better about it

I finally focus the wagons down to where you could get an AF lynch and you jump to RR. Hmmm

[Titus]

I think RR is actually really towny

Their read on me early D1 was probably some sort of mason cover, which I think always comes from town when unprompted

Happy Cake Day. What are your FF thoughts?

[Titus]

I think RR is actually really towny

Their read on me early D1 was probably some sort of mason cover, which I think always comes from town when unprompted

Happy Cake Day. What are your FF thoughts?

who/what is FF

Aaron damn autocorrect

[Titus]

@Mods: Did Alisae get to choose the specific roles on their team?

E did. It's on the first page. She picks her roles and 2 mechanics in the game that the mod team then balances around. Ali had no idea how many masons I took or if I have a one shot role or two.

[Titus]

Cerb, I would like to hear your thoughts. I know you're not a big gobble fan. Thoughts on insomnia? Do you think insomnia and AF could be linked? Gobble with either? Without telling me on who, are you close to placing a vote today? How's Drixx doing?

[Titus]

Like why have scum not taken any attempt at low hanging fruit if TSE is town?

All of it doesn't add up, and the missing bit of the equation is that TSE is scum.

If you want you can lynch me and I can just kill you.
Or you can kill me tonight and I can take you down with me.

TSE was wagoned yesterday. TSE even helped in the endeavor though. Don't worry a TSE scum won't win the game. I believe his role claim is NAI.

[Titus]

Wait do standard goons show us as vanilla for rolecops or am I thinking of a different role?

Goons show as vanilla.

[Titus]

Someone walk me through how the mason drafting works and if titus generates every single masonry

and if there can be scum in masonries

No scum in masonries.

I submit 4 names in addition to the number I want. If Spiffeh was the only mason, I submitted 5 names. Scum are removed. Then my mason is picked at random.

[Titus]

I kinda think TSE is scum but I want him to be the last scum remaining.

[Titus]

wait. are there only 2 scum?

i'm actually confused

3 scum plus Alisae.

[Titus]

My personal theory is S and W, TSE and one more.

Not Espy. Probably Amrun or someone pushing there. Kinda why I want AF. I should consider Amrun but I'm pocketed by how friendly she is. I am surprised no one is pushing her today.

[Titus]

VOTE: AaronFrost

[Titus]

i will lynch amrun and aaronfrost and flavor leaf and idk maybe more

Join on AF?

[Titus]

i will lynch amrun and aaronfrost and flavor leaf and idk maybe more

Join on AF?

good thing im a time traveller and went back in time to join on aaronfrost

Awesome use of VT powers.

Btw, there's always one town I struggle to reach. Sorry it was you here.

[Titus]

VOTE: AaronFrost

You also said Maria and Dunn were town.

No shock on my theory either hmmm...

[Titus]

no AF can be scum lmao

VOTE: AaronFrost

Contradicting yourself in the space of a page. Wow. Are you scum?

[Titus]

Reveal myself as Mayor

@Host

Well that's not my theory. Oh my.

[Titus]

VOTE: Chemist

TSE as mayor means he was troll claiming the kill immune.

How many extra votes do you get today?

[Titus]

VOTE: Chemist

TSE as mayor means he was troll claiming the kill immune.

How many extra votes do you get today?

No I’m actually just Babysister Vengeful.

VOTE: AF

[Titus]

Amrun (4) Ankamius, OkaPoka, Hectic, Espeonage

If Amrun is town, one of these should be scum.

[Titus]

I'm also surprised all of them didn't push Amrun anymore.

[Titus]

Hectic, Ank, AF...good places to look imo.

[Titus]

those are all people i would vote!

Good. If that contains no scum, definitely look into Gobble and S and W.

[Titus]

I'm going to sit back for awhile. I've given my opinion and I'm tired as hell.

[Titus]

I'll record mine soonish.

Aaron feel better soon.

[Titus]

Catching up now.

Please be patient as I am holding my replies until the end.

[Titus]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

That's the entire premise of my VCA. :/ I know I said keeping my thoughts to the end but this irked me.

[Titus]

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oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

For a terrible role.
Which Chemist might have
Chemist does your Rolecard start with “M” or “T”?
Serious Question.

W for welcome

Yeah ok your scum.
Town!Chemist would have said R “Rolecard”
Or H “Here”

W doesn’t make sense from a town chemist standpoint in sarcasm.

Look at the sample role PM

Welcome is the first word

Checkmate

Explicitly stating mine starts with a W too and I'm conftown. We aren't going down this path.

[Titus]

i mean we are masons don't get me wrong
but they don't know that Aaron
you might need to do something

Leaf claimed it and then you and I both confirmed so I'm not sure why people are still doubting the claim. And if they doubt that I'm actually a mason, then they have to doubt you and Leaf are too.

Like yeah I had been playing under-the-radar scummy on purpose to hide this as long as possible. Most of the solving has taken place in the mason PT.

I feel pretty strongly about insomnia/TSE scum right now tho so that's where I'd like to lynch today.

I'd like it if you voted insomnia as of now in my read. I don't like them at the current moment. My read through may change this.

[Titus]

Like you willingly stepped down your most convincing part of the case and saying it was wrong in order to deflect from it being a slip. Cuz if you’re wrong then it means it can’t be a slip, right?

I authorized an Aaron wagon and I still don't see a slip here.

[Titus]

Ali what about 3952? is that a slip?

See, now if I were to say "Chemist hooded AaronFrost and they're in a neighborhood together" then that would be a slip

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

How the fuck did you know this?

Probably an investigator imo.

[Titus]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

they also hooded me and I told them I hooded aaron, aaron knows this as well

so I think Ali probably did that to set up a fake dichotomy between me and aaron when they actually learned that from RR

I like what you're thinking but what if they just investigated you under the theory that you and RR were my masons or just likely to get PR attention?

[Titus]

Hold up

Chain of events i need to know everything

Clarity

aaron and I were getting pressured

TSE was calling like every other one of our posts a scumslip

then Ali said "it would be a slip if I said I knew chemist hooded AF" when that actually did happen

Chemist, did you claim neighborizer before the Ali "slip"?

[Titus]

The motivation Alisae comes out with this information to spew 2 town is zero.

Chemist was active lurking, probably plotting with Alisae on what to do

Chemist literally reacted as soon as Alisae posted. Coincidence?

Nah.

VOTE: INSOMNIA

In case I wasn't clear.

[Titus]

Hold up

Chain of events i need to know everything

Clarity

aaron and I were getting pressured

TSE was calling like every other one of our posts a scumslip

then Ali said "it would be a slip if I said I knew chemist hooded AF" when that actually did happen

Chemist, did you claim neighborizer before the Ali "slip"?

I did not

Here's the deal. I think all 3 of you are town. If Ali investigated you with a voyeur or a follower, she could get similar information. RR was pretty public that he thought you were a mason, so him holding you makes sense.

Ali "slipping" this information makes the three of you chase your tails looking for scum.

[Titus]

I’m not really the type of dude to enjoy mech talks and this is just a huge smoke screen. If you get yourself out of the fog, you start asking yourself why Alisae would ever do this if Chemist and Aaron were both town.

Chemist posted as soon as Alisae revealead that and instantly voted RR.

Scenarios in which Alisae claims this in order to further their wincon :

1) Chemist / Aaron / RR are all town

2) One of Chemist / Aaron is scum and RR is the town that’s getting set up

Either way, there’s gotta be one in Chemist and Aaron and it doesn’t change my reads at all.

This looks planned as fuck, Chemist was here the entire time, he just posts as soon as he gets outed? Give me a break.

This was planned to frame RR.

Besides, read my 3952, Aaron literally slipped. This is a smoke screen.

I have learnt that sticking to my reads is a lot better and I have more faith in them. The only way subjective reads get tempered is with a huge mechanical smoke bomb.

I feel like Occams says Ali fucked up, no?

Occam's says Ali was deliberate as fuck.

[Titus]

Hmm. I sort of want everyone who has a private line of communication through which Alisae could have learned something to share, but mason outing is not worth.

-Cerb

Pedit: Elaborate on why that's relevant?

Pedit again: ohhh I see, people shared the hood we made with chemist last night, got it.

Hooded chemist last night, Drixx thought he saw mason signs and wanted to talk to Titus privately. I will not share anything chemist has said anything regarding being a mason, as I assume Titus will kill that lynch if that turns out to be the case.

-Cerb

why is masonhunting with neighborization such a prio

RR wants to get to me. Getting a hood with me is NAI for him.

[Titus]

Alisae only gambits like this if all 3 of you are town.

Which means that S&W and Pine are high scum candidates. Which I can entertain but I’m not considering yet.

Well, you might might be town after all...

[Titus]

Given Amrun’s a mailman the them of this game is really ugh. Someone neighborize me tonight so I can win town this game

I like leashing RR to Gobble. I think Gobble is mechanically fucked up and would benefit from RR's wisdom. I think Gobble keeps up better than I do. Combining these two in a hood let's me read them both.

If they agree, I want a doctor on Gobble.

[Titus]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

That's the entire premise of my VCA. :/ I know I said keeping my thoughts to the end but this irked me.

In the grand scheme of things it’s okay

But chemist strictly referred to only 2 people on the wagon out of 7

So would I. Again, not something I have a problem with.

[Titus]

@Titus who are we lynching?

Not Chemist, RR or Aaron. I'm convinced that slip was deliberate.

[Titus]

I’m going to sheep our IC stump

VOTE: insomnia

Literally kill this for a free scum flip

VOTE: Bitmap

I think scum have an Agent actually. It's a role I include in my wifom city setups.

[Titus]

Well of course it was deliberate but the question is why

Well, practical thing here...

If Ali's scum with Aaron, this puts a huge sign on her back.
If Ali's scum with Chemist, this could shift the wagon away from town Aaron onto scum Chemist.
Same with RR.
Ali getting RR into my masons is great for agency capture so she definitely wouldn't want to divert there.

[Titus]

I’m confirmed not scum then since I think Agent is not a normal role.

Agent = Multitasking Tracker and Watcher.

[Titus]

It’s really not and scum is pushing me cause I’m easy mislynch.

Great, if we aren't doing Chemist, Aaron, Gobble or Amrun, who should we lynch?

[Titus]

Oh yeah I don't feel like Oka either.

[Titus]

Let’s lynch Sherlock!

VOTE: Sherlock

Why? I like it but my preference is mechanical.

[Titus]

Sherlock is Confirmed Town Via Day 1 Lynch

No!

[Titus]

Sherlock is Confirmed Town Via Day 1 Lynch

No!

Yes.

TSE, that's the exact thinking I expect Ali to draft her team around. We read Sherlock by day play, not VCA.

[Titus]

Let’s lynch Sherlock!

VOTE: Sherlock

Why? I like it but my preference is mechanical.

Because he probably did a strong bus for town status cause he’s probably the strongest on their team. I would throw my slot if RC was my scum buddy on D1.

Why didn't you push it sooner?

[Titus]

Wait I lowkey didn't even know Bitmap claimed neighborizer.

VOTE: Bitmap

Shoot this please

Ok. Writing you off as today's town stubborn guy.

[Titus]

I still think somni and TSE are scum btw

I think your stupid.

Let's not get personal.

[Titus]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Naked votes only gang

Not interested ATM. Not sure how much clearer I can be.

Also, why do you assume there is a vig?

[Titus]

that being said why are people (myself included really) assuming there's a vig

p-edit: thanks titus

Because we want people dead.

I suspect something other than a vig that gets false positives on a gunsmith.

[Titus]

Would a role like that really exist?

It could be spread into two roles.

[Titus]

tbh lynching aaron is the best

titus needs to lift the veto

I'll think about it but I am strongly against it.

[Titus]

I support lifting the veto.

Nope. I can't let my mason get close to a lynch.

[Titus]

titus nobody is being pranked lets be honest lets lynch the objectively second scummiest player

So SW?

[Titus]

titus nobody is being pranked lets be honest lets lynch the objectively second scummiest player

So SW?

literally every case on sw is not convincing

Great. Then who do you want dead that's not you, Aaron, Hectic, Gobble, Chemist, RR, Amrun or Flavor Leaf?

[Titus]

Or TSE

[Titus]

Or Espy

[Titus]

titus nobody is being pranked lets be honest lets lynch the objectively second scummiest player

So SW?

literally every case on sw is not convincing

Great. Then who do you want dead that's not you, Aaron, Hectic, Gobble, Chemist, RR, Amrun or Flavor Leaf?

...

titus don't do this to me

i guess bitmap? bro you removed my passion lynches

Well your sister's sorry but I must protect my masons. Aaron got too close to a lynch. Flavor Leaf is just obvtown mason.

I don't want to lynch in the trifecta.

Getting the best use of RR and keeping him away from my masons means hooding him and Gobble.

I know Amrun's role because I investigated her.

Espy's role is just puppy dogs.

TSE is the closest thing to a big we likely have.

Hectic's gunsmith is something we probably need.

Oka you feel obvtown

That leaves Bitmap, S and W, Pine, insomnia and Ank.

[Titus]

Oka, please feel that I at least listened to you. I don't like vetoing popular lynches but my hands are very tied IMO. I still have my reservations on Hectic, although he's always lynched before you. I also think I know the two rules Ali made which explains why everything is so weird.

If we get through those 5 and the game isn't over, we'll talk about who else can be scum.

I'd rather do SW but I am overruled there.

Bbl

[Titus]

Oh Titus, you dived for me. You are lovely. Thank you.

I didn't 100% dive. I guessed based on memory. I remembered feeling that game was unfair. I just couldn't remember the name either. I haven't had the time to dig exactly either. So I don't know your role.

[Titus]

I know kinda though.

[Titus]

I don't want to let go that I think Ali has someone in that group rather than an invest.

But I will concede you are probably right that it was on purpose. That doesn't mean it is all town. I think Ali could do it on a 2 for 1. However I will leave it for today.

Then we let scum tell us. Letting them go for a day phase let's them tell us who scum is by not hunting.

[Titus]

Wait. Titus.

How are Gobble and I being hooded again?

I am...ascetic. So...

-Cerb

She wants you to target me because of how poorly I am playing, from what I understood of her big post. I have a pretty good pedigree of doing well in hoods, so it is a good idea even though I disagree that I am playing poorly

My current pet theory is that the scum probably have some sort of like PT cop/Traffic Analyst ability to see if someone has access to a hood as their way of finding a mason.

+1

[Titus]

S and FL, why not vote insomnia. I kinda want to see insomnia versus bitmap.

If there is scum in the hood, I expect it to be Frost with a side of insomnia. Bitmap and RR feel pretty overlapping unless RR is not a full neighborizer.

[Titus]

Huh. Iso diving I think I just found the last two masons

Gobble, I swear to God if you think outing your theory is good play, I'll find a rifle and a time machine. It'll be Thanksgiving tomorrow.

[Titus]

Idk where the VC at but consider me on insomnia until then.

Why is chemist Vetoed? I want to lynch there too. Or RR. Meh. It’s not even about the neighborhoods. They just are scummy-ish. Not smack me in the face but something about each of these bother me.

I think Alisae did that to ensure a lynch on town. If not, I've got a homework assignment. Town according to gut memory is equally split on Chemist and Aaron, which is itself indicative. These slots will need to take positions on the viable candidates. It's not a forever NL but a not today.

[Titus]

Great, now my mason is in open rebellion. Just great.

[Titus]

Great, now my mason is in open rebellion. Just great.

Your Masons FL?

I agree with him.
Why?
Because Titus, you really need to re-evaluate.

It honestly makes sense for Scum!Alisae to make their entire scum team Neighborizors.

Smh. I get the position I need to reevaluate that one of them as scum. But all of them? And have Alisae deliberately call attention to it?

I am not even 100% sure it was deliberate. Probably was but it could have been a hypothetical. I once "slipped" a scumteam that I had no clue existed as the sk. Not all slips are even slips.

[Titus]

I don't feel like Titus is in a huge rush right now

This is correct. I would like decent wagons to firm but I am in no hurry to end the day.

[Titus]

Great, now my mason is in open rebellion. Just great.

Your Masons FL?

I agree with him.
Why?
Because Titus, you really need to re-evaluate.

It honestly makes sense for Scum!Alisae to make their entire scum team Neighborizors.

Smh. I get the position I need to reevaluate that one of them as scum. But all of them? And have Alisae deliberately call attention to it?

I am not even 100% sure it was deliberate. Probably was but it could have been a hypothetical. I once "slipped" a scumteam that I had no clue existed as the sk. Not all slips are even slips.

Ok look at it this way
You know Alisae well yes?
Ok, then what would she pick for her mafia’s roles?

Something to fuck with the gamestate. I doubt all neighborizers because town would be...there are too many neighborizers, let's lynch one.

[Titus]

I don't feel like Titus is in a huge rush right now

This is correct. I would like decent wagons to firm but I am in no hurry to end the day.

Ok.
But in all honesty I want this day to end in a Neighborizor getting lynched over anyone else.
I don’t care which one. Just one of them.
Because if they flip Scum there’s a very good chance the other 2 will as well.

And I don't want a single one lynched. You are free to babysit one. This way if Ali kills you, you get the flip you wanted and if not, we can discuss it tmo.

[Titus]

Great, now my mason is in open rebellion. Just great.

Your Masons FL?

I agree with him.
Why?
Because Titus, you really need to re-evaluate.

It honestly makes sense for Scum!Alisae to make their entire scum team Neighborizors.

Smh. I get the position I need to reevaluate that one of them as scum. But all of them? And have Alisae deliberately call attention to it?

I am not even 100% sure it was deliberate. Probably was but it could have been a hypothetical. I once "slipped" a scumteam that I had no clue existed as the sk. Not all slips are even slips.

Ok look at it this way
You know Alisae well yes?
Ok, then what would she pick for her mafia’s roles?

Something to fuck with the gamestate. I doubt all neighborizers because town would be...there are too many neighborizers, let's lynch one.

Here’s the thing though.
Would you think all of them are scum?
Probably not.
And Alisae knows that.
So they did it.

Great. Actually, Bitmap is still in my PoE.

[Titus]

In order to properly PoE and win this we need to lynch a Neighborizor today.

Then vote bitmap.

[Titus]

We do need a mass claim. I concur. That's the first step we need.

If we don't lynch insomnia or Ank, that leaves S and W, Bitmap or Pine.

I am perfectly ok with this. When I run out in here, I'll reassess.

Part of me thinks that Maki scum was given up so we go crazy on the neighborizers. Just like we go crazy on the ascetics. Also, Hectic goes back in the pool. He needs to stop with the gambits.

So that's S and W, Hectic, Pine and very weakly Bitmap.

[Titus]

The sooner people realize that I’m straight up not losing a scum partner Day 1 in a game of this size where I am an active voice, the better.

That has zero to do with Sherlock.

[Titus]

called the Neighbourhood of 2 “Masons” to treat them as Masons until late game.
Wanna know what’s funny?
They were both Town!
Exactly! Yeah!

Yeah and every hood townreads each other here. They're likely all correct. Sucks to be outside them.

Coincidentally, we have every little investigatives. I am only seeing one and it's not Hectic. I have covered for this investigator in my PoE and his/her/their result.

Look who objects to reading and blindly pushes in the eliminated players (S and W and Pine). Your disagreement is wrong but in good faith.

The setup must be balanced. Ali's rules were likely no doctors and a single investigator. So we get a crap ton of neighbors instead. Ali doesn't want guilties or saves.

This gives her ways for scum to be useful, so we don't kill them.

If you think I am wrong on S and W, how else do you think Maki claims GS and Cop but is not CCed by the full version?

The improbable is true.

Part of me thinks Pine is a bait too. I just can't be sure who else to put back in atm.

[Titus]

I’d love to see Pine claim first and explain how he thought amrun was softed guilty.

We should make a PoE of who claims in order though.

Leaving Titus to it.

Obviously, I want S and W, Hectic and Pine to full claim first. Order is irrelevant. I also want RR to claim if he has another neighborize shot.

[Titus]

my role indicates that you're wrong about this analysis, but I'm not going to say what I suspect one of the rules are until I see what people say about it, because it's entirely possible this game can be broken just by thinking along these lines

I respect this. Also Ty for dropping the picture.

[Titus]

btw be careful with revealing what you know

if the masonry wasn't already outed, that post would very likely have outed all of them.

Believe me, I am dancing a thin line to protect my mason(s) but with how many slots have claimed, I doubt I can hide my mason much longer. There's only four slots that can be masons by my count anyway from Ali PoV. That doesn't count removing scum. It may already be too late.

[Titus]

my biggest issue with RR that makes me wonder about them is that I expect they would have reached a similar conclusion, which I don't feel like they have

this is the kind of thing that they're very good at and it's one of my weakest areas, so if this theory is correct, it's a bit worrying for them

RR hasn't been here through you+insomnia claiming. Nor have they talked much privately. Only Cerb come on to discover this weird Ali slip.

I get why you're worried but I don't SR them.

[Titus]

that's not what I'm referring to

I was suspecting this since towards the beginning of the day

I don't feel there was enough evidence towards the beginning of this day but even if you look at who RR has pushed on, it's largely not neighbors.

[Titus]

Hectic claimed a guilty on RR. We are all ignoring it because it’s probably fake, but if so I’m even more annoyed.


How is TSE not auto scum for knowing Ank’s role?

I went back to the quoted post. There's no knowledge of Ank's role. I know you mean that in the friendliest way possible but I'm going to ask you to be patient with me. Please nod if you understand this and what follows in the mail.

[Titus]

+1 on the hectic annoyance which is why he's back in the pool.

[Titus]

btw titus

do you need my crumbs? I specifically crumbed wanting to neighborize a mason

Nope. Pretty sure that's what all town neighborizers tried to do, and mostly wound up pants on head for not reading my first post.

[Titus]

I'm asking mainly because I can see people going "LOLSCUMGAMBIT"

because I expect that to happen

I don't need it at the moment. Like I said, I feel almost all if not all, the neighborizers are town.

VOTE: S and W

[Titus]

I think you're missing what I'm saying but sure

do you feel that M&K was a planned bus from the start?

Most likely that slot but I am open to S and W being an option and they let town choose. When town took to long, they tried Amrun but it failed to take.

There's a decent chance I am. It's pre 6 am and subtext has never been my strong suit.

[Titus]

Maki and Kaito (5) - Sherlock and Watson, Spiffeh, Flavor Leaf, gobbledygook, OkaPoka
Sherlock and Watson (4) - Pine, Amrun, Ankamius, Bitmap

Look at this.

T = Town
PT = Probably Town
WT = Weak Town

Maki - ?, T, PT, PT, PT
S and W - WT, T, PT, WT

[Titus]

I’m going to claim now since I don’t think my role has any bearing on the other roles that can be left to claim.

I was a 1-shot cop. I used it on Amrun last night. She is confirmed town to me.

I saw this. I have noted it in my PoE. Wish you didn't feel the need to claim yet, but it is what it is.

[Titus]

I feel like there's good odds all scum are just in {Pine, Reasonably Rational, Chemist1422, Espeonage, Bitmap}

roughly in that order of confidence

I feel that list contains zero scum, including Aaron.

[Titus]

But I also don't really care that much for today it seems like there was a massclaim I missed.

Please claim.

[Titus]

I don't see how the game makes any sense whatsoever if scum are all outside that list

Look at the VC I quoted. If S and W were scum, would the game make more sense?

[Titus]

Yeah whatever

I'm vt I just a) didn't want to die so I could play with ank and b) didn't want titus wasting shit on me which I knew she would otherwise when I knew I would never let her lynch me and she tunnels me every game forever which this game obviously proves

-S

Hey in the last version of this setup, I told you and mastina to stop fighting bc you were both pretty.

Ty for the claim.

[Titus]

I feel like there's good odds all scum are just in {Pine, Reasonably Rational, Chemist1422, Espeonage, Bitmap}

roughly in that order of confidence

I feel that list contains zero scum, including Aaron.

There is two scum there bare minimum

-S

Not a chance in hell. Maybe 1 in Bitmap. Maybe.

[Titus]

Yeah the closest I have ever gotten from a townread from you was when I was scum

-S

If you're town, who was scum pushing you yesterday? Why did scum lynch Maki over you?

[Titus]

Sherlock and Watson (7) - Pine, Amrun, Ankamius, Bitmap, AaronFrost, Hectic, OkaPoka
Maki and Kaito (3) - Sherlock and Watson, Spiffeh, gobbledygook
TrueSoulEnergy (3) - Chemist1422, Espeonage, TrueSoulEnergy

Ank and SW

Additional support. If your scumreads are correct, then only Bitmap is scum here. Why would scum ever divert to Maki?

S and W is not likely town.

[Titus]

Look at this.

T = Town
PT = Probably Town
WT = Weak Town

Maki - ?, T, PT, PT, PT
S and W - WT, T, PT, WT

titus you even said it yourself, your townreads are weaker off the scum lynch than on it

So, they're still all townreads.

[Titus]

I don't think we gave scum much of a choice

On the counterwagon I'm not sure how many scum were on us, maybe 1? Bitmap?

I was thinking frozen angel was just absent tbh, the timing of rep out made sense if they thought M was going down. Also just the amount ali spams thread suggests one quieter teammate st least

-S

Frozen is now insomnia who you have as clear town.

Your wagon was at 7, with one scum. Yet scum never put you into claim range? Instead your scumreads pushed TSE or lurked. Everyone was active.

I don't buy it. If you're town, you should have a major problem with Hectic.

[Titus]

Sherlock and Watson (7) - Pine, Amrun, Ankamius, Bitmap, AaronFrost, Hectic, OkaPoka
Maki and Kaito (3) - Sherlock and Watson, Spiffeh, gobbledygook
TrueSoulEnergy (3) - Chemist1422, Espeonage, TrueSoulEnergy

Ank and SW

Additional support. If your scumreads are correct, then only Bitmap is scum here. Why would scum ever divert to Maki?

S and W is not likely town.

I left the wagon and FL joined M&K in the next VC

Pine likely recognized that it was lost since the S&W one was momentum based, and he+Espe joined M&K immediately

so...

So why wouldn't Pine and Espe join TSE then? That's a town wagon?

Nope. This S and W wagon was a trap to get S and W cleared by being the counter wagon. You don't have to agree with me but the PoE will soon make that conclusion inescapable.

[Titus]

because Chemist and Espe are already on there?

Espe doesn't claim to me day 1 as scum.

Ali doesn't "slip" to draw attention to her actual scum away from Aaron.

So no. Neither of those are scum.

[Titus]

dunn was on my wagon in principle and maybe bitmap makes 2

-S

No such thing as being on a wagon in principle, particularly as scum. I could as easily say Maki refused to bus you.

[Titus]

Also frozen angel scum afk will fuck up your vca

-S

I trust Ank's clear there.

[Titus]

wait what's your scumlist again titus

S and W
Hectic

Maybe Bitmap or Pine.

If that does not contain all of the scum, I'll reset.

[Titus]

@Titus how confident are you on SW being scum?

75%

[Titus]

Also frozen angel scum afk will fuck up your vca

-S

I trust Ank's clear there.

Okay then trust ank's clear on me too

-S

Nope. Not when a) it goes against my data and how I suppose Ali would fuck with it and b) you aren't in a hood with Ank so I have all the info I need to read you.

[Titus]

if SW wanted towncred to endgame with, why does spiffeh die n1

if he didn't want cred, why did he hard bus

Spiffeh was universally townread so hard, not even my mid could save him. Ali legit seemed shocked when he flipped mason.

S and W likely did want cred.

[Titus]

*my mud

[Titus]

then why not kill ME? or anyone else who has significant recent experience with him?

why Spiffeh specifically?

Are we anywhere near endgame?
I scumread you for your random reads?
Spiffeh was universally townread and a paragon?

[Titus]

Titus have you considered how damaging this push is to town in a world where I'm town? Just wondering

-S

Yup. Anyone with half a brain knows you aren't my mason. You aren't ever taking a bullet because I scumread you.

You are FoSing town.
Your defense is cred/Titus VCA assumption which supposed you were wagoned by almost exclusively town.

[Titus]

even better yet

a scumteam of S&W + M&K are shrewd enough to abuse my townread on M&K enough to not just shut me out as hard as what ended up happening, Krazy knows well enough I struggle in games where I can't scrape together enough credibility to make any moves later on in the game, so not letting me dig my own grave really feels like a missed opportunity from scum!him

this is especially apparent because he tried to abuse my reads in a marathon game just yesterday for his own ends as scum

Why would S and W try and attack you when you self sabotaged with your random readslist?

[Titus]

Titus I don’t think you’re getting a SW lynch today due to the MK lynch

That's fine. But I am not letting town be lynched unless it's pine to shut off ascetics. So you want to do Hectic?

[Titus]

even better yet

a scumteam of S&W + M&K are shrewd enough to abuse my townread on M&K enough to not just shut me out as hard as what ended up happening, Krazy knows well enough I struggle in games where I can't scrape together enough credibility to make any moves later on in the game, so not letting me dig my own grave really feels like a missed opportunity from scum!him

this is especially apparent because he tried to abuse my reads in a marathon game just yesterday for his own ends as scum

Why would S and W try and attack you when you self sabotaged with your random readslist?

because if I ever flip, it's condemning to him.

Or maybe you're supposing scum act the same way, regardless of circumstance?

There's a huge tonal difference in Krazy's anger here than insomnia's.

[Titus]

hectic isn't scum

Based on what? His cautious attitude? Multiple lies to keep attention on town? Hectic was going to be a major push today before his Oka gambit.

[Titus]

Titus I don’t think you’re getting a SW lynch today due to the MK lynch

That's fine. But I am not letting town be lynched unless it's pine to shut off ascetics. So you want to do Hectic?

Why Hectic? Why not insomnia or Chemist?

I literally just said why not insomnia. I am trusting Ank there. Chemist is because Ali doesn't draw attention to her partners like that.

Hectic is because he's a cautious drama starter with little to no scumhunying.

[Titus]

hectic isn't scum

Based on what? His cautious attitude? Multiple lies to keep attention on town? Hectic was going to be a major push today before his Oka gambit.

that gambit was so batshit insane that I really doubt it comes from scum

I even explained this earlier

Well I guess we aren't agreeing on scum Ank. You refuse to trust my clears, so we might as well mislynch Pine to shut off the ascetics.

[Titus]

which clears am I not trusting

RR, Chemist, Aaron.

They are clear bc of the slip.

Flavor Leaf is either my mason or my fake.

Gobble's a 1-shot cop.

Amrun is the friendly clear.

You're you.

Espe doesn't claim to me day 1.

Pine's likely a bait trap.

[Titus]

TSE is our protective role too.

[Titus]

Titus are your abilities immune from ascetics? Or were you trolling when you said you did amrun?

-S

Amrun's 100% clear. I'd lynch Ank before Amrun.

Period.

[Titus]

Why did gobble target amrun

This isn't shade I just don't get it

-S

You don't need to.

[Titus]

I am not arguing to lynch amrun I am just confused

-S

Be confused. Welcome to the moon, where the mail is always delivered.

[Titus]

Why didn’t gobble target me tbh???

Amrun was a D1 wagon.

[Titus]

If I was cleared I could push Sherlock the whole game ezpz

We might not get what we want, but we might just get what we need. You feel pretty town here.

[Titus]

@insomnia, Aaron just had a wrong read there. Being a hypocrite and emotional isn't scummy.

@Bitmap, It's pretty clear I endorse Hectic and Sherlock but you don't need my permission.

[Titus]

THE EMOTIONS ARE WHAT LEAD HIM TO SCUM READ TSE.

Yeah, and you think my emotions don't play a part in my reads?

[Titus]

You’re endorsing me right now aaaaaa

I am debating subbing you out for Flavor Leaf. Been debating it for awhile.

[Titus]

I literally don't see the game making any sense from the scumteam's standpoint if ALL FIVE of those palyers are town

it requires Alisae to either be actually braindead scum (which I know is false and would EXPECT to be false even if I didn't), or playing only to troll everybody, which is a really interesting idea considering how convenient a lot of mechanical things are

Yes, scum playing to counter what "makes sense" is exactly how you troll Titus.

Like Pine could be scum but I don't see it.

I know Espy's role and that's not going to get scumread anytime soon given his crumbs and power.

The slip is not a thing.

So we're at deep wolves.

S and W, FL, Hectic

Maybe Bitmap or Pine.

[Titus]

yeah aaron's posts d2 were legit very bad

Go ahead and lynch Aaron today if you're fine with following my PoE tmo.

[Titus]

Go ahead and lynch Aaron today if you're fine with following my PoE tmo.

[Titus]

I get hardons for deepwolf hunting a lot of the time, but that doesn't seem like a particularly strong course of action right now

I don't get the same hard on but there's no one else left.

[Titus]

is this you saying he isn't a mason

Yes. He is not a mason, just lock clear and one of my last places to hide my mason. So tyvm.

[Titus]

I kinda would rather pine honestly

And what good does lynching Pine get us when we're a town full of neighborizers? I'd do it for town peace but I think it flips town.

[Titus]

Titus I really think this setup was designed to out your masons early on anyway

Probably. I have come to that realization, which is why I am creating wifom on Aaron and Flavor being masons.

[Titus]

Aaron is an inevitable death

Pine gives mechanical value and also helps potentially narrow down the PoE for both sides

Like I said, mislynch Aaron if you'll join me in my PoE tmo if it flips town. I'm not wanting to stall the fucking game but I won't stand to be railroaded either.

[Titus]

Titus btw sorry if you felt like i was screaming at you or something lol i just know i have trouble expressing my actual thoughts because my brain's not hard wired like that and i sometimes go overboard when people don't get my point even though it's entirely my fault for not being able to communicate it effectively

<3

You are communicating an honestly held belief well. I just disagree with you.

Like I said. Mislynch Aaron if you're fine with my PoE tmo if he flips town.

[Titus]

Titus I'm trying to work with you

Me too but there's only so far I can go. If you're just saying lynch in my PoE but unwilling to ever reconsider yours if wrong, how do you expect me to work with you.

I am endorsing an Aaron lynch to progress the game with the understanding you lynch in my PoE if and when he flips town.

[Titus]

Ok and now I'm going to follow titus to make sure i'm not confbiasing

send me to make the field work and i'll come back with the results

who are you suspecting titus?

S and W along with Hectic.

Maybes in Pine and weak maybe in Bitmap.

Aaron just lynch him today. I see my TRs need that mislynch. Just lynch in my pool tmo.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aaron

[Titus]

I am even open to the possibility I am confbiasing on Aaron which is why lynch in my PoE is only applicable if and when Aaron flips town.

[Titus]

why are you locktowning Aaron Titus?
also i'm struggling to see how you think i'm playing "cautiously"
just wasn't active recently because of the marathon weekend
do you want me to full claim? don't think it really matters

I would like a damn word of honesty and your Aaron read.

[Titus]

Aaron is town bc of Ali.

Ali tried to offer me a deal yesterday to derail Amrun's lynch which is odd bc I have 100% independent proof of Amrun being town. We just couldn't come to terms. Ali does this drama to get us talking on town.

[Titus]

Sherlock, your Aaron read?

[Titus]

i mean it's such an obviously bad route to take if scum which is easily disproved so why reiterate it over and over?

cuz it wasn't disproved. or he didn't see it being disproved.

he also might've understood from the setup that titus picks the masons and inferred from there wrongly.

it proves nothing.

Taking a bullet for the real mason(s).

[Titus]

How many votes does AF have?

Not enough.

Tbh the mods should just use Mathblade's automated counter.

[Titus]

hectic, are you, FL, aaron all in a mason pt or something? how are you mason and a joat?

Why do you think Hectic is a joat?

[Titus]

how do i crumb a JOAT role?
any ideas people?

rolecopped Oka last night
thought he was scum for play yesterday + wagon movement
thought it was worth the gunsmith claim to either catch him out/clear him
think this basically clears him unless the scumteam really thought i was bluffing which i'm not sure why they would
and yeah result was vanilla

Hectic also claimed multiple gunsmiths. Any roleclaim out of Hectic is considered a fiction.

[Titus]

yes sadly i'm not a Mason
feels bad to say it aloud but i'm a boring old JOAT

You're done kidding?

[Titus]

I am pretty sure all the neighbor claims are graying my recently dyed hair.

[Titus]

@Titus: Just wanted to let you know that hooding gobble is not a thing I can do, so if that is indeed the plan you had in mind, it's not a thing that can happen.

Think about the game where we sat on a TMI based case on one person for days, in order to catch a second, and successfully did so.

-Cerb

*frustrated sigh* I remember that game. I was scum right? We still won though.

[Titus]

i have to actually submit it

Just dayvig Frost.

[Titus]

We do need a mass claim. I concur. That's the first step we need.

If we don't lynch insomnia or Ank, that leaves S and W, Bitmap or Pine.

I am perfectly ok with this. When I run out in here, I'll reassess.

Part of me thinks that Maki scum was given up so we go crazy on the neighborizers. Just like we go crazy on the ascetics. Also, Hectic goes back in the pool. He needs to stop with the gambits.

So that's S and W, Hectic, Pine and very weakly Bitmap.

Titus.
Your falling right into Alisae’s hands.
Just lynch one of Bitmap, RR or Chemist and we practically win this game.

Nope on all of those. I expect RR to have a scum on D3. Town needs an AF lynch. I personally disagree with it but this is where I feel Ali went wrong in Ali versus Pine.

[Titus]

Are we actually mass claiming?

I feel like Titus's authority in this game has been weak.

I haven't pursued the full details because I got what I needed. Why have FL claim? He's the only one aside from you who hasn't partially claimed.

[Titus]

Can y'all dip into my vodka? Two hours and like 5 pages.

[Titus]

Huh I usually just count votes manually but if I ever wanted to mod a larger game an auto vote count would be helpful.

Oh let me tell you
MathBlade's votecounter is the best vote counter BY FAR

It is but I lost the how to. Can someone link me. Busy and haven't caught up. I'll want to VC, at a minimum to see where the wagon turned away from AF.

Bitmap and AF likely, but not certainly, are differing alignments here. Hectic's right in the middle too.

Mason(s), I'll check the PT when I can. For now, do whatever.

[Titus]

lol this is a funny conversation to watch from a distance

Why?

[Titus]

flavor leaf lynch anyone

If I can't get Sherlock, what are the odds of me getting my mason lynched. Zero.

[Titus]

why do i always get on the cusp of getting lynched every game I play?

you are too dependent on rc

Oka, you don't want to bring up RC if you don't want me even more irritated.

[Titus]

We are Creature

No we are Boonskiies. We are all Boonskiies. This is the rule from Titus meet. Scum can be Creatures.

[Titus]

We are Creature

No we are Boonskiies. We are all Boonskiies. This is the rule from Titus meet. Scum can be Creatures.

this meme sucks

Is E jealous?

I have a goal to put on Titus meet the redux in a couple years.

[Titus]

Ali, just for the record, I'd be very surprised if both FL and Bitmap are town as they have the most experience with me face to face. (Well of the people playing.)

@Espy, RC can yell at people until they crack. That's not playing mafia when done deliberately. RC doesn't solve. I have zero respect for him as a mafia player. Boonskiies wins by tact, guile, and subterfuge. I respect Boonskiies.

[Titus]

Hey Titus talk me through the sw scum theory. And in never took off and the wagon seems townish. I think if you want to believe that sw has scum equity you have to entertain that hectic is very like the only partner candidate.

Yes. I will when not exhausted. I do agree Hectic is a very likely partner and he's usually on the scum positions (middle, 3rd and 4th slots, that general region). The exception is the Amrun counterwagon which Alisae tried to frame as scum. Ali made no effort to save actual scum by trying to create an offer with me. This is Hectic's big push.

Almost everytime I do a VCA, I suppose the counter to a wagon on scum is flipping town. Ali faking that is not unheard of. Plus, S and W seemed far too confident in that lynch.

[Titus]

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic.

If game doesn’t end their.
It’s RR or Ank.

Hectic is fine by me. Bitmap's ok. The rest no.

Out of curiosity, why did Aaron fall out of your solve?

[Titus]

Hey Titus talk me through the sw scum theory. And in never took off and the wagon seems townish. I think if you want to believe that sw has scum equity you have to entertain that hectic is very like the only partner candidate.

Yes. I will when not exhausted. I do agree Hectic is a very likely partner and he's usually on the scum positions (middle, 3rd and 4th slots, that general region). The exception is the Amrun counterwagon which Alisae tried to frame as scum. Ali made no effort to save actual scum by trying to create an offer with me. This is Hectic's big push.

Almost everytime I do a VCA, I suppose the counter to a wagon on scum is flipping town. Ali faking that is not unheard of. Plus, S and W seemed far too confident in that lynch.

The only thing I still don’t like is S+W’s claim shenanigans.

Go on.

Just to confirm, you send shiny messages at night, right mailwoman?

*nod*

[Titus]

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic.

If game doesn’t end their.
It’s RR or Ank.

Hectic is fine by me. Bitmap's ok. The rest no.

Out of curiosity, why did Aaron fall out of your solve?

Because I believe the scum are all Neighborizors.
Aaron isn’t a Neighborizor.

Aaron hasn't claimed?

[Titus]

Hey Titus talk me through the sw scum theory. And in never took off and the wagon seems townish. I think if you want to believe that sw has scum equity you have to entertain that hectic is very like the only partner candidate.

Yes. I will when not exhausted. I do agree Hectic is a very likely partner and he's usually on the scum positions (middle, 3rd and 4th slots, that general region). The exception is the Amrun counterwagon which Alisae tried to frame as scum. Ali made no effort to save actual scum by trying to create an offer with me. This is Hectic's big push.

Almost everytime I do a VCA, I suppose the counter to a wagon on scum is flipping town. Ali faking that is not unheard of. Plus, S and W seemed far too confident in that lynch.

The only thing I still don’t like is S+W’s claim shenanigans.

Go on.

Just to confirm, you send shiny messages at night, right mailwoman?

*nod*

and she's loyal

Well if that's true (no reason to doubt), then Gobble's errors are due to incompetence and not malfeasance.

[Titus]

I mean why else would Turkey fake a cop shot on an ascetic just to say they're inno

Oh Ali, you're never going to fake me out. Amrun's likely just a novice ascetic. :-p

[Titus]

Hey Titus talk me through the sw scum theory. And in never took off and the wagon seems townish. I think if you want to believe that sw has scum equity you have to entertain that hectic is very like the only partner candidate.

Yes. I will when not exhausted. I do agree Hectic is a very likely partner and he's usually on the scum positions (middle, 3rd and 4th slots, that general region). The exception is the Amrun counterwagon which Alisae tried to frame as scum. Ali made no effort to save actual scum by trying to create an offer with me. This is Hectic's big push.

Almost everytime I do a VCA, I suppose the counter to a wagon on scum is flipping town. Ali faking that is not unheard of. Plus, S and W seemed far too confident in that lynch.

The only thing I still don’t like is S+W’s claim shenanigans.

Go on.

Just to confirm, you send shiny messages at night, right mailwoman?

*nod*

I do. There is a little more to it than that and despite Ali trying to create WIFOM here I don’t think it’s helpful to clarify.

Nope. I got the message. I don't mind Ali creating wifom. You do you.

Now what about S and W's claim sketched you out?

[Titus]

I would argue that sw scum only makes sense in a few scenarios the biggest if hectic is scum. Hectic has scum equity besides. Hectic should come first.

I am ok with that.

[Titus]

And I mean that in a nice way!

Good cuz I was going to RIP you a new one.

[Titus]

And I mean that in a nice way!

TOXIC

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