Questionable Balcony

[Tammy]

Should I be getting cold feet?

I’ll kick myself if the one wagon I’m comfortable joining is on town :/

[Tammy]

Why don’t I like bulges interaction with nahdia right now. I don’t get why he’s asking for flavor?

[Tammy]

Yeah I was thing calibrate on bell/ diamond sentinel something like that. The people that are just difficult to read and could end up mislynches down the road?

I don’t know what to think about peta with the way he seems to be really trying to figure out/give nahdia a pass but painted everything bulge did as scummy. I get that people confirm bias at times, but the reasoning he gave about bulges readslist was so weak. I just don’t get it. Maybe they’re all town, but it just feels wrong. And it’s not about being wrong, it’s just a lack of feeling like he was actually reading bulge.

I don’t know something just feels off about arguing that nahdia is probably town because they didn’t hammer bulge when they could have while ignoring the incredibly smarmy way they did end up on the bulge wagon.

I feel bad I lost my nerve on nahdia and that I have this stupid insane dentist anxiety which literally leaves me useless after.

I wish I had town reads in that pool I felt good about.

Expecting cabd’s shot to be blocked and at least one of the lover pairs to die though

[Tammy]

Sorry! Nacho is off today, so we’re hanging out. He has to open in the morning, so he’ll be going to bed early, and I was gonna come here once he goes to bed.

[Tammy]

That’s a really good idea!

Who should we target, and who should you target?

If you get guilty that means that the person is either innocent or you’re paranoid right?

I hope jack is the sane one. Think he lives the longest in here.

[Tammy]

Do you want us to target bell? If we both come back into on bell, it won’t resolve our sanity but it will resolve bell.

[Tammy]

Who are we relatively sure won’t get shot tonight?

Oh maybe sir cakez?

[Tammy]

Do you want to try it on a scum read not in vig pool or a null read that might be scum?

[Tammy]

I passed out before I meant to, and yeah I think you’re the next most likely to go in here.

[Tammy]

Jake- investigate bell please

[Tammy]

I was gonna ask what you thought about that! Yeah, 48 hours seems good.

I guess there’s a chance one of us die if they have a roleblocker/strongman and both the mason claims are true, which I think they are, but I’ve been kinda operating on the assumption we’ll all live.

It’s hard to think about reads when a vig kill might go through and change assumptions. I’ve never really been all that great with the hypotheticals.

I’m not sure what to think about my nahdia scum read. Am I just confirmation biasing at this point. 90% of their posts just feel so fake and the way they turned on bulge there was so skeevy. There are some genuine moments where I doubt myself, but I’m not sure the ones where I doubt myself are that alignment indicative.

I doubt Cabd actually shoots peta here. Think he’s more likely to shoot gamma.

I have doubts about petas towniness, but I know you have a strong townread there. I’m not sure here. Sometimes when I’m having trouble making sense of reads it’s because I’m trying to town read people I shouldn’t be. I’m not sure if this applies here because by and large the non claimed mason group feels just kinda scummy overall.

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 2]

VoteCount 2.7

SirCakez [1] - Bell
The Bulge [7] - petapan, DiamondSentinel, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, Cabd, fferyllt, midwaybear
Nahdia [1] - The Bulge

Not Voting [6]

- Something_Smart, Tammy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Jake The Wolfie, Nahdia, Alisae

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 2]

VoteCount 2.8

The Bulge [5] - petapan, DiamondSentinel, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear
Nahdia [1] - Bell
Gamma Emerald [5] - fferyllt, Alisae, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cabd, The Bulge

Not Voting [4]

- Something_Smart, Tammy, Jake The Wolfie, Nahdia

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Tammy]

Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Night 2]

VoteCount 2.9

The Bulge [8] - petapan, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear, Nahdia, Alisae, Bell, Cabd [Execute]

Nahdia [1] - DiamondSentinel
Gamma Emerald [3] - PookyTheMagicalBear, Tammy, fferyllt
midwaybear [1] - The Bulge

Not Voting [2]

- Something_Smart, Jake The Wolfie

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Tammy]

Oh there wasn’t a vote count to show the rise of the nahdia wagon.

I think I was unvoting at end of day yesterday?

[Tammy]

Unless diamond sentinel is scum and/or some masons are lying, the entire scum team is on the bulge. I don’t know if it means anything. I was interested in seeing who moved to gamma or nahdia in the meantime. Gamma’s probably dead tonight.

[Tammy]

I can switch my investigation to Nahdia. That might be a better idea?

Only if you want to!

[Tammy]

I’m running up to the grocery store. I’ll be back before eon if there’s anything you want to talk about.

[Tammy]

I guess If they had a roadblock or they would’ve used it on one of us night one to keep us from being able to calibrate?

[Tammy]

I hope Jake checked in here :/

[Tammy]

I’m not gonna be home before night ends if it ends on time. I don’t think I have anything left to say though

[Tammy]

It’s okay!

Think I’m sane I got that bell is mafia.

Please don’t say anything in thread yet.

Cleaning kitchen atm so I’ll be back soon.

[Tammy]

Oh just see the results. This sucks!

Wish we could somehow leave a fake you’re the sane one crumb but don’t know how to do that right now.

[Tammy]

Oh just see the results. This sucks!

Wish we could somehow leave a fake you’re the sane one crumb but don’t know how to do that right now.

Never mind this. I thought the doctors were dead. We don’t want to give them any information at all about our results because we don’t want to confuse the doctors.

(If they are doctors >>>>>

[Tammy]

Oh just see the results. This sucks!

Wish we could somehow leave a fake you’re the sane one crumb but don’t know how to do that right now.

Never mind this. I thought the doctors were dead. We don’t want to give them any information at all about our results because we don’t want to confuse the doctors.

(If they are doctors >>>>>

Though they might already have this information if my theory that they have an eavesdropper is correct.

[Tammy]

And then there were two

I feel so alone

[Tammy]

Yeah you’re right!

What do you think about the proposed idea of remaining scum as cakez and diamond sentinel.

[Tammy]

Wait for the morphheads to get their catnaps, and then yeah, we'll act tonight and get on with it.

Sadly, no catnap.

It feels like useless idle speculation, but players Tayl0r mentioned more than onceh:

Prior to Dethy reveal

Midway:
211Picked up on what she (and I and probably half the players) thought was a neighbor crumb.
252 sarcasm about engaged and focused town (sort of a pooky defend)
386 Called Midway and DS scum
392 at least one of midway and DS scum because of interactions
1094 Asked Midway why Gamma's post about OMG TAMMY TOWN was a townpost
1234 Asked Cabd why midway is a strong townread

Pooky:
251 backhanded attack on pooky about RP in reply to Cakez
252 backhanded defense of pooky about RP in reply to midway
1111 start of back and forth about whether to play catchup or skip to real time 1113 more


Cabd:
212Used my dethy post to him to crumb traitor by suggesting Cabd would betray me. -- convenient way to crumb traitor.
1234 Asked Cabd why midway is a strong townread

252 Haircolor post


DS:
260 Who am I buddying?
386 Called Midway and DS scum
392 at least one of midway and DS scum because of interactions
385 Votes DS
1098 Agrees with DS about not liking Bell but liking Bell wagon less
1099 Unvotes DS, wants more from SS
1283 asks if she's the only one townreading DS
1294 1297replies to peta about people scumreading DS


Alisae:
284 votes Alisae
289 297 300(?) trollery
1121 asks about reads list format

SS:
311 Asks SS why he jumps in on Bell on midway's behalf
323 trollery
329 Calls SS Town
348 oh snap u right
Unvotes DS wants more from SS

SirCakez
251 "Ur Scum" over liking the RP
1145 tells Cakez not to lie about her

petapan
334 Tells petapan not to abuse her tendency to townread people who pocket her
392 398 responds to peta's push about midway/DS scum
404 asks for peta's reads
406 "same, honestly" to peta's "no"
1294 1297 1308 1310replies to peta about people scumreading DS
1358 asks why DS is now a scumread


Bulge
1122 replies to his question about why she's asking questions about the reads list format
1524 replies to his post about difficulty getting stuck in the game with a comment about the 2012 cohort

Bell
311 Asks SS why he jumps in on Bell on midway's behalf
1098 Agrees with DS about not liking Bell but liking Bell wagon less
1135 Weird post about Bell's grandparents being spies.
1529 troll about bell reading

Gamma
1094Asked Midway why Gamma's post about OMG TAMMY TOWN was a townpost

2012 Cohort
Agrees with Bulge about difficulty getting engaged, says she's having trouble parsing 2012 posts

Reads After Dethy Reveal

1647 Jake traitor
1689 SS town
1690 "stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell."
1692 "midway is scum too. pooky feels not great but im not sure yet."
1752 Asks about midway saying not in a neighborhood after "softclaiming" (her word) neighborhood earlier
1763"gl with the 2012 cohort"

Players she didn't mention:

Nahdia
Syryana

Players she hardly mentioned

Cabd
Bulge
tammy - 1437fortune cookie post
fferyllt - hair color post, traitor crumb (links above)

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Stuff that sticks out

1690 "stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell." -- could be my confbias but given the differing depths of interactions I feel like this could mean Bell-scum. Otoh Bell's reaction the the grandparent post feels counter to that.
Posts to bulge feel low-engagement. Maybe because Bulge wasn't around much to interact with? After the dethy announcement bulge was more focused on the rest of the dethy than on Tayl0r.
Posts to Cakez are at about the level of engagement she had with me :/

Putting this here for reference

[Tammy]

Peta made some posts about it.

I’m gonna reread some things so I have a better grasp of how things happened.

I keep checking here to see if ffery has posted but then go oh right welp

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

wish I trusted petapan, midway and nahdia. Think it's entirely possible there's scum there. Maybe they're all town and the textbook mafia behavior is textbook and correct.

DS definitely looks like scum and maybe he is. Wish I felt better about that trio though!

[Tammy]

hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Tammy]

part of me thinks it's petapan. He never really felt all that town. Haven't read day two yet, but his interactions with bell and ds weren't all that great either. He voted bell early then got off when cabd outed the dream, then voted him when bell made that catchup post and they had a little back and forth, can't remember how he jumped off though. With DS he started pushing that he was town pretty early when DS was coming under some steam day one. Pushed hard for bulge day two without really seeing how he should be backing off after backing off of every other push he made. And then day three was very quick to draw the links between DS/bell/Cakez, which almost felt prepared ahead of time.

Cakez does have the day one where he behaved similarly to DS, but it kinda feels like Petapan is throwing things at him in a skeevy way. But it certainly could be cakez; he has felt off at weird moments

The fact that literally nobody else thinks it's petapan though probably makes me stupid. DS did leave his vote on peta today.

HRM

So if they were both suicide bombers, then maybe everyone is and maybe there's a godfather too? I wonder if there are two scum left? I wonder if there will be two kills tonight?

HRM HRM HRM

[Tammy]

probably just sir cakez?

[Tammy]

Hmm cakez’ nahdia read is a bit sticky, and why wouldn’t he think scum bussed?

From his POV he should be considering that scum bussed.

Idk feels weird.

Also weird the person I was pretty convinced was scum, nahdia, now I have serious doubts about being scum, but I don’t know if that’s dumb to let go of. Don’t buy that nahdia scum wouldn’t out their partners mindset though. Lol don’t know why they suggested that as if it’s clearing. Seen scum do things like that quite a few times. I also don’t think the spat with DS was clearing either. That could easily be theater.

[Tammy]

I wonder if I’m dying tonight?

[Tammy]

meh peta might be town actually

[Tammy]

maybe no idk

[Tammy]

Do you think the Mafia would avoid killing me because I'm a useless asset to the town?

Entirely possible.

Depends on the scum team and who they're concerned about. Sometimes people have left alive confirmed town that aren't doing much, but other times people are of the mindset to kill whoever is confirmed.

I'm guessing that tonight alisae/pooky will die since they're the doctors and they've said they're healing me. If they have strongman or anything else for a second kill, they might kill me or you.

[Tammy]

Still trying to decide who to investigate.

Cakez looks pretty much like DS and Bell's partner and I'm trying to decide if I investigate there to make sure

OR

do I investigate one of peta, midway or nahdia on the off chance that cakez is innocent to try to create a possible confirmed town between them. I mean I could confirm cakez is innocent too I suppose. Maybe copping cakez is a no brainer?

Maybe I'll roll some dice lol

[Tammy]

I feel decently good about it being sir cakez. He does textbook look like ds and bell's partner. Kinda did that soft defending thing of bell and ds. He went after Taylor and that was awesome, and he did go after Bell day two, but he did end up dropping that for the bulge. Haven't liked some of his reasoning for stuff, particularly early ffery mini attack and bulge for that reads list. It gave him the perfect reasoning to get off of bell and use peta's push to go for it. My semi-town read on him was based on the post where he called the players good and it wouldn't be easy to find them. I'm not sure why I liked it so much or why I still like it so much but I do. But him not really trying to find scum yesterday is concerning. And the fact that it wa just nahdia nobody else but nahdia felt weird. He wasn't even considering a bus, which was weird as well. I don't know his entire focus yesterday was wrong all wrong.

on the off chance that he's not scum I don't know. Peta I've been flipping on and it would be nice to know if he was just town. I want to believe he's town, but he did day two start scum hunting the diamond sentinel wagon and went after bulge there. He wimped out on bell day one, which we all did so that's not a point against him. It's just little niggles. But he is basically boxing himself in to that cakez push and isn't really leaving himself

[Tammy]

oops hit submit instead of preview

but peta isn't leaving himself an opening, which is smart if scum because leaving yourself an opening is where so many scum get caught near end game. I don't know why more people don't box themselves in because you can always change your mind later. Oh wow the person I thought was scum was town hmmmmm guess I'll have to reassess the people I called town yesterday. Don't know why more people don't just do that.

If nahdia is scum, they're playing an odd game. Pretend not to know why taylor was eliminated day one, pretend to not know the dethy, examined kills to figure out who was shot night two. The spat with DS is not clearing that would just be theater. In fact, it might be a little TMI that they knew that DS was scum upset about the masons. wouldn't rule out but I guess my scum read there has weakened a little bit actually.

[Tammy]

midwaybear is an odd one because he feels pretty damn town at times but also out of it at other times. I'm not entirely convinced that his interaction with bell is really clearing, but I don't *think* he's that comfortable interacting with his partner in that way as scum? His bop of petapan looks pretty town actually. I don't know what scumtell cabd kept meaning that he dropped. Don't know if I should depend on that one.

[Tammy]

welp

[Tammy]

not the death I was envisioning

[Tammy]

boo hiss all alone!

[Tammy]

hmmm should I be trusting the doctor? Or was it just more important to get rid of confirmed town?

[Tammy]

...or am I the least threatening mason?

[Tammy]

mason doctors are you scum lovers?

[Tammy]

You’re not supposed to post in here, but I said seemed for a reason!

[Tammy]

it's nice to be confirmed town and not get accused of things like expanding the poe.

Is this a good time to publicly doubt the mason pair lol

[Tammy]

am i town?

Is this game bastard?

Have I been lied to?

Am I killing in my sleep?

[Tammy]

i want to replace out so badly right now.

[Tammy]

Yes alisae tell me more about what y think correct play is.

[Tammy]

You know I decided a long time ago after game after game after game was ruined by incompetent town who think they’re so damn clever to fake claim crap as town that I was done weeding through the minutia of their stupidity to figure out if it was town and who the town is among the bullshit. If you can’t be fucked to respect the game and the players in it by not lying about dumb ass bullshit, I can’t be fucked trying to figure out if you’re town.

I will happily Lynch them both and not care if they both flip town and we lose the game.

Which is probably why I should replace out.

[Tammy]

Don’t even care if there dumbfuckery drew midwaybear to try to kill alisae and saved a night kill.

I’ll happily Eliminate them both.

In addition to probably not being able to play to win con anymore because I’m not going to try to figure out if one or both is town. I should also probably just replace out because I’m probably just going to end up being a toxic presence in the game.

[Tammy]

Could be midwaybear - has weird interactions and a day two drop off. Could have been tricked into trying to kill one of the lovers.

Could be alisae - just don’t buy their doe eyed excuse that it’s the right thing to do to lie to help out a teammate; thought their town game had more integrity than that. Especially when their read of PookyTheMagicalBear prior was that he was null.

Could be PookyTheMagicalBear - hasn’t done a whole lot, could have easily used doctor as a smokescreen and would have known to offkill to keep up the ruse. Is he even voting midwaybear? From his perspective it can only be midwaybear.

[Tammy]

will probably never play with alisae again.

[Tammy]

For future reference, I'm not sure who scum is here. I've been working out the likelihood and possibilities of everyone here including midwaybear and peta. For Alisae to act like I'm not allowed to work out my suspicions on them is just fuck off behavior. I'll never play with them again.

[Tammy]

And quite frankly it was more important to me right now to determine my reads on pooky/alisae and what to think there because if I think they're both town then I have to turn to the people who I have cop clears on ands start honestly thinking about The Godfather.

[Tammy]

And damn if every time aliase acted like I wasn't allowed to try to figure out a mafia game or just behaved like a bully in general I got pissed off at the fake claim over again.