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[Flavor Leaf]

Unwnd/Nopoint were pushing me, No point jumped off, but still pushed me.

Shelly town read me unnaturally.

They were hyena'ing me.

Unwnd is playing exactly like scum who thought they could play around me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town right now are Insano, (Dunn), PlusJOYED, Fuzzy, FL (Begrudgingly), Noraa

That leaves Johnny/Gera/Nopoint/Andres

they also voted Johnny in the post, but yeah, I think 1 scum in the town reads, 1 in the scum reads.

Noraa/Nopoint

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it's like 50% chance Nora/Nopoint for me, which is coin flip odds, but still I think it's a good path to go. I'm confident with a coinflip this early on, especially considering we haven't faded.

[Flavor Leaf]

How many times have I misread you from Day 3 onwards?

I just repped in so its basically "day 1"
and all ik is that ur trash at reading me day 1. U haven't ever not SRed me.

and I haven't ever misfaded you.

You're too surface level of a player still to see further than what's right in front of you, regardless of alignment, and you get hung up on stupid things.

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Let me know after you've checked the plethora of games I have where I've helped town lead to a victory from full game solving.

You've never read me right. I don't really care about that plethora of games.

Lol, I caught you on your first post in Xenoblade 2, get out of here.

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and then Day 2 you thought it was my guilty on you.

Like I said, you're just not there yet.

5 years from now, maybe you'll be able to see the difference.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

pfft. u suck at reading shelly too is the conclusion.

What do you mean?

I was town reading Shelly.

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Lol, I caught you on your first post in Xenoblade 2, get out of here.

if u SR me every game, it means u SR my play style and therefore you didn't even "catch" me in xeno.

I don't scum read the style.

I've never misfaded you.

That's the difference.

It doesn't matter if someone has an incorrect read for part of a game, if they get to the right one by the end.

You just attack because you can't comprehend being scum read, either alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you mean?

I was town reading Shelly.

Why are u SRing me again?

read the game, no interest in repeating, and I'm also 50% town reading you, as I just said, you are a coinflip, and a #3 scum read for me.

Yet you don't even seem to comprehend that.

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it's like 50% chance Nora/Nopoint for me, which is coin flip odds, but still I think it's a good path to go. I'm confident with a coinflip this early on, especially considering we haven't faded.

I literally stated this in the post before you showed up.

The fact you can't even see that is why you are 5+ years behind me.

Even on my first year of playing Mafia I was ahead of you by years. I went undefeated as scum and town, I just had that early naruto stank, but that's all gucci, but im hokage now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm pushing for a Noraa/Nopoint fade/vig, while pushing you as scum.

Only reason it's equity is because you are scum here.

god is town!FL really this bad? I wanna just call him scum but I was told recently that if he's annoying as hell, he's probably just town.

the fact you think it's bad just shows your surface level of a mindset.

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I will happily policy you, yes.

But this isn't a policy, policy is when there's no reasons for you to be scum, and I'm not the only one pushing your slot as scum.

In fact, I was one of the last to push you.

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I will policy confirmed town if I think it will help town win.

I tried to fade LicketyQuick confirmed town vig because they were going to cause town to lose.

Town lost because of LQ.

So, yeah.

I think you have higher scum equity, I think you have terrible logic both alignments, and I think if you are town, you will lose the game.

Shelly town reading me with scum buddies pushing me also is heavily scum indicative.

Then you shading me after I'm pushing ScumWnd also is scum indicative.

And we have zero fades.

So yes, I don't care if I misfade you here.

It isn't a policy because that means regardless of me thinking if it's a good fade or not.

It's a great fade.

You are just pushing the policy thing so much because you don't know how to defend yourself any other way, and this is true regardless of your alignment.

All you can do is OMGUS or push as bad without backing it up.

If you need me to backup more why I think you are still an extremely new player, I can.

Anything people push against me are Ego reasons, but I purposefully have created my Egoistic persona here, and told people at the beginning of the year, I was going full heel this year.

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and I haven't ever misfaded you.

You're too surface level of a player still to see further than what's right in front of you, regardless of alignment, and you get hung up on stupid things.

why are you attacking my join date?
being a few game years older is no feat.

This is an alt that became my main, so one, it isn't just a feat.

And I don't really care about join date, I care about experience.

I am vastly more experienced than players who have earlier join dates than me in the first place, I'm just playing up my ego mafia messiah complex persona on Flavor Leaf account this year.

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Like I said, you're just not there yet.

5 years from now, maybe you'll be able to see the difference.

stop being so smug about ur experience. I don't care and you aren't playing any better than people that just started recently. At least they don't rub their join date in my face.

you just bleed annoying town vibes so much its annoying me.

Disagree.

I have the best Win/Loss record of any player on site this year.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I was gone for 6 months, and I still almost matched Hectic's Wins of Scum games. (proud of him, watched him as a newbie, was glad to see how much he improved over the 6 months I was gone.)

[Flavor Leaf]

I have the best Win/Loss record of any player on site this year.

wins mean nothing if the players come out of it disliking your play style.

I'm not here to be liked this year.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think you have higher scum equity, I think you have terrible logic both alignments, and I think if you are town, you will lose the game.

this is just a stupid train of thought.

And yet, sometimes, those are the trains with the better seats, and less crowded.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I was gone for 6 months, and I still almost matched Hectic's Wins of Scum games. (proud of him, watched him as a newbie, was glad to see how much he improved over the 6 months I was gone.)

Stop bragging. no one cares.

I do, and I care more about my opinion than others in this persona.

[Flavor Leaf]

Says bleeding town, then vote.

Easy vote for scum.

Doesn't even see the actual benefits of what I am trying to accomplish.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've been posting trying to elicit reaction from Noraa, something I'm trying to see if I should lean scum or lean town on her.

She is actively trying to attack and say bad rather than explain why she should be town read.

There is not a single reason she has stated why anyone should town read her, her only defense has been "bad at reading me", even though she specifically just came into the game.

I am engaging her in a way I know she will react, and I've actively been trying to have her give actual reasons for her to be town, but she chooses to attack. This feels defensive.

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Doesn't even see the actual benefits of what I am trying to accomplish.

if it is my total anger, then yes you have failed. I'm only at ~55% on my anger meter.

Oh, I don't care. I can read any bits of emotion.

[Flavor Leaf]

and whatever benefits u speak of I don't see. I just see an annoying play style that is annoying me.

So why are you town?

3 reasons without meta, please.

[Flavor Leaf]

You were given the Third Degree Boon, and we created a page of stuff for people to analyze.

Now, let's reset this.

You say we should town read you, great.

Why? Which 3 non meta reasons should we town read you for?

[Flavor Leaf]

Exactly what I expected.

Nothing.

[Flavor Leaf]

and what do you mean younger than me in posting age?

I quite possibly have more combined posts than anyone in the history of this site if you put Boonskiies/FL together, not even mentioning the plethora of other alts I play on.

FL is at 26k posts, you have 9k.

You just can't handle people scum reading you. Nancy Drew used to be the same way, and you have early Nancy Drew vibes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Exactly what I expected.

Nothing.

You give nothing. You get nothing.

Thats how the world works

Not for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I respond, so if you post, ill post back, that's just how it is. I will continue to case you in this game when necessary, but I have absolutely no care if you stop talking.

You bring me up, Imma talk.

That's just the way it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Noraa

[Flavor Leaf]

She actively avoids trying to help get town read, even when I'm actively trying to have her explain why I should town read her.

She's yelling anytime someone scum reads her.

Shelly unnatural town read on my slot.

And fading Noraa stops FL vs Noraa stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

I respond, so if you post, ill post back, that's just how it is. I will continue to case you in this game when necessary, but I have absolutely no care if you stop talking.

You bring me up, Imma talk.

That's just the way it is.

in other words, you need to have the last word. Ok go ahead. have the last word and then be quiet.

I'm already past this and bored of you.

Working on cases and scumhunting now.

[Flavor Leaf]

pocket attempt

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You should have kept the Shelly pocketing of me, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

You should have kept the Shelly pocketing of me, tbh

you don't fit in my pocket.

ah, makes sense. you aren't as capable a player, so you knew you couldn't.

[Flavor Leaf]

People understand why I completely got disinterested here when Noraa replaced in now, right?

And Noraa tried to push it like she didn't believe it.

[Flavor Leaf]

You should have kept the Shelly pocketing of me, tbh

you don't fit in my pocket.

ah, makes sense. you aren't as capable a player, so you knew you couldn't.

at least I know where my skill level falls at.

Disagree.

[Flavor Leaf]

You're a level 2 player, playing a level 3 game, and I'm changing the game.

There is not a single player on site who can compare to my amount of game solves and scum gambits.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can't disassociate the persona played by me in game from the real, which is fine, but we're not even playing the same game, Noraa. That's the difference here.

I don't know if you're mad town or scum discrediting here, but your vote out of emotion proves exactly what I set out to do.

Prove you aren't trying to be town read, and that you are specifically trying to push me down.

[Flavor Leaf]

You want to try to come and step up to me?

Then do it. Use logic. Use cases. Make actual reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can't disassociate the persona played by me in game from the real, which is fine, but we're not even playing the same game, Noraa. That's the difference here.

I don't know if you're mad town or scum discrediting here, but your vote out of emotion proves exactly what I set out to do.

Prove you aren't trying to be town read, and that you are specifically trying to push me down.

I couldn't care less what King Flavor thought about my slot. He's never not SRed me anyways so it just shows how utterly uncapable of sorting me he is.

This is my 2nd game with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can't disassociate the persona played by me in game from the real, which is fine, but we're not even playing the same game, Noraa. That's the difference here.

I don't know if you're mad town or scum discrediting here, but your vote out of emotion proves exactly what I set out to do.

Prove you aren't trying to be town read, and that you are specifically trying to push me down.

I couldn't care less what King Flavor thought about my slot. He's never not SRed me anyways so it just shows how utterly uncapable of sorting me he is.

This is my 2nd game with you.

And my first game with you, I caught you as scum.

And you replaced out Day 1 of the other scum game I saw you in.

[Flavor Leaf]

[quote="In post 1108, Noraa"][/quote]

im not gonna give you a free town read.

Do the fucking work and stop complaining.

[Flavor Leaf]

And my first game with you, I caught you as scum.

And you replaced out Day 1 of the other scum game I saw you in.

nah I don't think so. I think ur just another person that SRs my play style and just doesn't get it.

Difference between you and me.

You think and assume that.

I know that it's not, and that's proven here because you can't comprehend the fact that I read gamestate. If I scum read you, that doesn't make you scum, and that's something you need to learn overall.

There's also multiple scum in this game, and you need to learn how to disassociate and look elsewhere if one slot is giving you trouble.

I give you a hard time because I think you are an issue. You have done things in games that I don't like.

You replace out of games and immediately replace into others when the game's not going in your favor, which is bannable.

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im not gonna give you a free town read.

Do the fucking work and stop complaining.

I don't want a town read from you, King Flavor. you think too highly of urself.

First of all, I am the Queen Jester.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I am rude and egoist, it's always based on play.

I am harder to the players that need it more.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now somebody give me reasons why Noraa is town.

I'm obviously biasing because she's annoying, which is why I put her at the #3 slot, before her steep overreactions.

[Flavor Leaf]

Even a bad reason is fine.

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I know that it's not, and that's proven here because you can't comprehend the fact that I read gamestate. If I scum read you, that doesn't make you scum, and that's something you need to learn overall.

There's also multiple scum in this game, and you need to learn how to disassociate and look elsewhere if one slot is giving you trouble.

I give you a hard time because I think you are an issue. You have done things in games that I don't like.

You replace out of games and immediately replace into others when the game's not going in your favor, which is bannable.

..... mind your own business and being harsh towards a specific player is just rude af? Blacklist me if I'm a issue. I don't have any interest in accepting stupid treatment of me for stupid reasons.

I don't blacklist, nor do I pay attention to playerlists unless it's a playerlist I like.

The fact you think they're stupid reasons is why I understand how hopeless this is. We'll see in a year when you've barely progressed.

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When I am rude and egoist, it's always based on play.

I am harder to the players that need it more.

maybe I need to be yelling at you every game then according to ur terrible logic.

People already do, and I prove them wrong too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've gotten my fair share of getting yelled at, and guess what, now I end up smoking players who do so

[Flavor Leaf]

Unlikable me is town me.

ScumMe charms their way into winning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unlikable me is town me.

ScumMe charms their way into winning.

You're trying to prove ur town by pissing me off?

yawn

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, i didn't have a plan for going after you or anything, that just happened because I'm spouting my genuine experienced thoughts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thank god this town isn't stupid and sheeping you otherwise I would've gone insane by now.

Most of them already thought Shelly was scum, so

[Flavor Leaf]

These shit ass arguments are making my eyes bleed.

I'm not even really debating with you.

I'm literally just telling you and explaining the faults in your play, no argument necessary.

I've already done my analysis, pretty well, I'd be surprised if I didn't have at least 1 scum in my 3.

And that's where another of your weakness goes.

You act like you know my playstyle when you don't know I am the biggest flip flopper on site.

You just act like you know, when you clearly are still in the beginner's theory book.

If you wanna get in a shade war with me, I will take you to town, so if you're sensitive, stay away.

I will never take anything personal in the arena of Mafia, and I admit when I've made mistakes post game.

you just hold no weight because you're clearly stabbing at me from the dark.

[Flavor Leaf]

or the vig can just vig me so i dont have to listen to Nora and Flavor argue with each other
I not voting outside the four I listed as possible scum.
so either Non, John, Andre or Hank.....

OML a friendly face! Phew

pocket attempt

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Thank god this town isn't stupid and sheeping you otherwise I would've gone insane by now.

Most of them already thought Shelly was scum, so

ofc they did. shelly always gets mislimmed fast as town.

i wouldn't know.

Shelly's a newer player to me too, but had some promise before she did what she did, which is like, come on. Don't do that people.

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Nah, i didn't have a plan for going after you or anything, that just happened because I'm spouting my genuine experienced thoughts.

yeah experienced. I think shelly has better play and she's a newbie.

I mean, biased.

Shelly even stated she read my guide for scumplay multiple times, so it shows she was learning from me, so

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I mean, biased.

Shelly even stated she read my guide for scumplay multiple times, so it shows she was learning from me, so

lala la laaa~

Seems I made you forget how to speak.

Proves my point at your ability to defend yourself, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Seems I made you forget how to speak.

Proves my point at your ability to defend yourself, though.

la la lala~~~

la la lala~~~

[Flavor Leaf]

Ur so snarky its actually kinda funny now.

All my posts are snarky, it's other people's fault for not seeing them that way.

I'm all dry sass and comedy.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's like trying to talk to DK lol

that's how I felt about you.

[Flavor Leaf]

but Dkkoba and I really only have experience playing as scum together, and that was wild. I like Dkkoba a lot, though, hope you see this eventually Dkkoba. I appreciate the scum game we played together, even if I felt I had to keep you on a leash all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's like trying to talk to DK lol

that's how I felt about you.

don't worry. the DK persona is all yours. I don't want it. thanks for considering me

I love Dkkoba. they're one of my new faves, stop acting like this is an insult.

[Flavor Leaf]

And Dkkoba completely let me assist them, so I know they're even more open to learning and progressing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Its not an insult. I would never insult you

damn straight.

Now who's scum if I was flipped green.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dkkoba's like three levels higher than you already.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now who's scum if I was flipped green.

boon skies

K, then if you're not gonna play the damn game, I'm reporting you next time you replace out of a game just to replace into a new one.

I've seen you do this multiple times now, and that's not okay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok damn y'all shit

Vote Noraa please.

At this point, I don't care if she is town.

She wants it to be Policy, then it'll be a policy.

Intelligence shows there's actual reasons, which no matter what means it isn't a policy.

[Flavor Leaf]

And uh. there are lots of reasons to replace out. Having too many games is not the only one. Repping out cuz of emotional stuff and then repping in elsewhere is not illegal last I checked.

Play the damn game you signed up for. That includes here to.

You're actively doing nothing this game but spamming and trying to discredit me.

Play the fucking game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade this slot. ^

She refuses to actually play the fucking game.

I'm done talking to her, I want her faded now.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavo take this angry mafia coach shit to DMs if you really think it'll help her improve.

i aint slippin into her dm's.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavo take this angry mafia coach shit to DMs if you really think it'll help her improve.

i aint slippin into her dm's.

no one wants you in their dms anyways.

No one wants to want me in their dm's, I'll give ya that one, but unfortunately, not true.

[Flavor Leaf]

A mafia coach is supposed to teach u mafia not how to get an inflated ego.

I'm not your mafia coach, i'm your mafia critic.

[Flavor Leaf]

now play the game

[Flavor Leaf]

A mafia coach is supposed to teach u mafia not how to get an inflated ego.

I'm not your mafia coach, i'm your mafia critic.

last I checked mafia critics this over the top would get fired by their bosses :O

I don't have bosses in real life or my mafia life.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am the boss

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you gonna whine when you get more votes on you?

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you gonna whine when you get more votes on you?

Are you gonna whine when no one listens to ur dumb plan?

Why would I do that? I know how to make cases and defend myself.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally Noraa's entire game this game has been to just focus on me.

Right after Unwnd got voted by Insane.

[Flavor Leaf]

And where are you now, Unwnd?

You want to come and call me anti town and not playing the game earlier, look at this.

Pot calling the kettle black.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know its ridiculous that u say I'm a shitty player cuz I can't defend myself, make cases, or do well under pressure. You then admit its NAI but then call me scum for it anyways. like ... LOL please make sure you remember things that you say a few minutes prior otherwise you look like a fool.

I've also stated you as a 50% scum, so it really doesn't.

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If you're town, you're distracting me now, and it looks scummier.

I'm not a player who thinks an early game incorrect read makes someone looks like a fool, this is a competitive game.

If you're town, I should 100% take heat.

You, however, are actively voting a slot you stated was town, both "obviously bleeding town" and calling me a fool if you flip.

Both imply that you see me as town.

Which is why I have no respect for your poor town game either, but I also actively state I don't use meta as a main tool, so you were posting meta defenses, when I haven't even been pushing meta as the main reasons.

I specifically stated ShellyC hyena, there's the aimless distractions of me, there's my town read Andres pushing your slot.

There's multiple reasons, you are just actively choosing to ignore them.

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Literally Noraa's entire game this game has been to just focus on me.

Right after Unwnd got voted by Insane.

well when someone annoyingly tunnels you, it normally gets ur attention.

I had you as my 3rd scum read.

I was tunneling Unwnd if anything.

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You know its ridiculous that u say I'm a shitty player cuz I can't defend myself, make cases, or do well under pressure. You then admit its NAI but then call me scum for it anyways. like ... LOL please make sure you remember things that you say a few minutes prior otherwise you look like a fool.

I've also stated you as a 50% scum, so it really doesn't.

so basically u don't have a single SR. Good to know. Amazingly shit scum hunting skills you've got there.

only looks this way to surface level players.

[Flavor Leaf]

You're not even playing the game, you're actively trying to keep me focused on you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm done with this day phase, Dunnstral.

[Flavor Leaf]

If there's zero scum in Noraa/Nopoint, fade me.

I am not wrong in at least one scum in them.

Fade and Vig them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn
Not Mafia
Insano

Andres
Geraint

Johnny
Plus
Noraa

Nopoint

Unwnd

[Flavor Leaf]

so Not Mafia is doing way more than he usually does, just think that should be noted.

He's been like this in all of his recent games. its nothing new.

I've been in 2 games of him recently. He was not like this, but he was town in both.

If it's in the past year, it's new.

[Flavor Leaf]

But is he scum? How can you tell? I've never seen it

Ok I think I can confidently say NM isn't scum with Johnny.

NM is confirmed town....

[Flavor Leaf]

So this is how shelly plays as town

I kinda hate this but I do feel like if u were scum, I'd be more inclined to think NM is scum for not SRing Johnny but Dunn/NM/Johnny seems way too easy.

he's cop claimed uncountered, you already talked about this

[Flavor Leaf]

Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

fuzzy, N_M's openpost is NAI or else it would fall under the definition of a trust tell

I agree with fuzzy's NM read. I hate NM's read on Johnny but that game that fuzzy mentioned definitely matches up with NM's play here.

I've actually just thought of something that is kinda alarming and tripping me up but why would anyone in their right mind cop NM on day 1? Like that seems like the lowest info cop result possible.

Maybe if I read on, the answer will magically appear.

There is waybtoo much going on in this game.
But I would investigate not mafia, I cannotnread them and I know this

good thing Dunn checked him last night

[Flavor Leaf]

I know for a fact you are scum here, Unwnd, and you know exactly why I know you are scum.

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

What are your thoughts on that slot, Unwnd?

I believe people when they make claims. What isnyour reason for knowing unwnd is scum? Inhavent seen you explain yet

It's mainly VCA and gamestate evaluation.

I'd rather fade Noraa today, though, at this point. I'm feeling less inclined to vote Unwnd, and that I was tunneled.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

Proves how inexperienced you are for reasons I'll state later in the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Get off Insano.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn - town, claimed cop, cop enabler fliped, not mafia is inno'd.
Not Mafia - inno'd by Dunn
Insano - Read their posts, they are town. Scum is 100% on this wagon.
Andres - I'll wait until their catchup, but I also just feel they would do more if they were scum, plus Noraa posted they haven't done much, and they've been here since the beginning and she's basing the game off of 1 irl day basically.
Geraint - him being out of the know with dunn/not mafia is the exact type of thing I'd expect from town him, alongside his "Wasting time" antics from Day 1.
Johnny - Idk, this could be scum, but now I think it's either Johnny or Noraa. I'd lean Noraa over Johnny any day, if only because Noraa's more annoying.
Plus - Eh, they could be a Noraa partner trying to stop me from going after Noraa.
Noraa - fade or vig this.
Nopoint - fade or vig this.
Unwnd - Noraa tunnel broke me out of Unwnd tunnel, so I'm in the midst of a reevaluation after my sleep.

[Flavor Leaf]

why isn't fuzzy on my list. I literally copy/pasted the playerlist from the front page when I did it, and just deleted myself.

That's interesting.

I think Fuzzy's town. Something about him feels off, and I think that's town indicative with him. I would not bet on this read.

I don't like his insano vote, though.

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Btw I'm about to drop a case on why Johnny is scum. thing is that I am 99% sure he is scum but don't want him to die anyways.

Ibsont get this logic. If you think someone is scummy why don't you vote them?

she's playing the "because I like them" card.

Get this player out of here, please. Vote Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm a Vig Enabler, Plusjoyed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa yelled at the vig to shoot me because I'm enabler.

She also has pushed me as obv bleeding town, yet still wanted vig to shoot.

She stated she 99% scum reads Johnny, but doesn't want to fade him.

Don't let this stuff be accepted.

[Flavor Leaf]

If this was me doing any of that shit, y'all would blow a gasket.

[Flavor Leaf]

Does anyone have any issues with NoPoint being Vigged?

[Flavor Leaf]

If there is no scum in the pair of them, fade me.

I am not wrong that there's scum in one of the people who were distracting me away from Unwnd, to the fact I'm willing to bet my own life in this game.

At least one of Nora/Nopoint are scum. They both could be. Fade 1, vig the other.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have an issue with it

why?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I'll vote Nopoint today.

I've literally stated we fade one on Nora/Nopoint and vig the other.

VOTE: Nopoint

[Flavor Leaf]

Nopoint has a higher chance of flipping scum, as you can see by my reads list.

I am noting every single one of the people protecting Noraa.


Fade NoPoint, Vig Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality.

noraa this

I already explained why. I don't like Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm a Vigilante Enabler.

If anyone ever thinks I claim this scummy ass role as scum here, we're gonna have some words post game.

Maybe if people weren't posting 15 posts in a row it'd be easier to find that he claimed well before that.

*scratches head*
sorry

Makes sense you know nothing about the game you are playing because you just post.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want a fucking fade.

Fade No Point, vig Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've literally been calling Nopoint and Unwnd scum all day, and nobody was trying to push fucking Nopoint until after I pushed Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've literally been calling Nopoint and Unwnd scum all day, and nobody was trying to push fucking Nopoint until after I pushed Noraa.

this isn't true, i'm just annoyed af with the gamestate right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

If its the past month, its even more new. Don't @ me.

Surface level

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa yelled at the vig to shoot me because I'm enabler.

..........................wtf is up with ur crappy logic

This isn't even logic, surface level noraa. This is a straight up fact, surface level noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

If yes, Nopo is basically a confirmed scum role cop.

Surface level noraa strikes again.

It doesn't have to be Nopo as the role cop, it can be any scum as the role cop.

[Flavor Leaf]

Push Noraa then, Johnny.

You are oddly staying away from both Nopoint and Noraa.

Look at what happened when Noraa got votes. People defended them, and started pushing the other slot I wanted faded.

Both of the main pushes are my pushes, people just didn't do anything about it until Noraa was in trouble.

[Flavor Leaf]

Andres, I need you. I'm so triggered this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, Noraa's probably a role cop saving Nopoint.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn't like the way FL claimed vig enabler out of nowhere when there's barely any votes on that. Why is it specific??

My claim philosophies are far different than site meta. I'm anti claim at E-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have specific reasons to think FL is 80% scum if his claim is true here.

Go find 1 single game of mine where I am scum and I true claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Johnny - you're being pocketed.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that no one in this entire thread except me seems to think Johnny is town should scream town already but what the hell do I know

This is not true.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have specific reasons to think FL is 80% scum if his claim is true here.

Go find 1 single game of mine where I am scum and I true claim.

It's your word that you never play the same way in all of your game.

I have true claimed my true PR once as scum.

I find it a far weaker play on a mafilosophical level because it gives Town information, and lowers the ability to manipulate the gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

We could lynch Noraa today because Johnny or I can actually prove what we're saying to one of you bastards. If the scum team is too scared and kill us then at least they won't be trying to find the Vig

Prove it to me then.

My role makes me NK bait to scum, which is another reason I claimed it.

I assume vig can shoot tonight because there was only 1 kill, so worst case scenario, we end up with another confirmed town tomorrow.

And you are claiming an investigative role when we already have a Cop/Vigilante duo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nopoint's reads and progression on me all game have been fake.

I'm going to bring it all the way back to early Day 1.

He shaded Dunnstral poorly, as did I.

Then I played my bait, and Nopoint's literally the player that got caught from my bait earlier.

I guarantee you that Nopoint is scum, and I have been saying Nopoint scum since Day 1.

I have been pushing Nopoint as my top 2 scumreads all day, and actually, I'm easing up on Unwnd a bit because of Noraa/Nopoint.

Nopoint disappeared from the game when Noraa and I were fighting, yet Plusjoyed isn't talking about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't care the order, and I've been saying this all day, so the slots who are just now coming over to Nopoint is scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

@Dunn - Can we fade Nora, Vig Nopoint?

or vice versa.

We will hit scum with this plan, possibly 2.

Literally, just sheep me today people.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nopoint's reads and progression on me all game have been fake.

I'm going to bring it all the way back to early Day 1.

He shaded Dunnstral poorly, as did I.

Then I played my bait, and Nopoint's literally the player that got caught from my bait earlier.

I guarantee you that Nopoint is scum, and I have been saying Nopoint scum since Day 1.

I have been pushing Nopoint as my top 2 scumreads all day, and actually, I'm easing up on Unwnd a bit because of Noraa/Nopoint.

Nopoint disappeared from the game when Noraa and I were fighting, yet Plusjoyed isn't talking about that.

This turn makes perfect sense btw if Noraa was scum with FL

Vote: Noraa

You've been the slot I've been pushing as scum the longest.

[Flavor Leaf]

what turn are you talking about?

[Flavor Leaf]

is that 4 votes on Noraa?

Meh.

Plusjoyed probably scum, Johnny probably town.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL i thought you wanted to wagon yourself and catch scum, where did the idea go?

That’s what I had people believe, yes.

And I found scum. They did vote me.

VOTE: Nopoint

The unvote was the bait

And I was specifically waiting for the second person. I didn’t really feel like starting something yet, but i got bored.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

LNT

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HELLLLLLLLLLO, TOWNIES OF MINI NORMAL 2183!!!

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Welcome to the hottest talk show on Mafiascum.net,
Welcome to another episode of

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

It's me, everyone's favorite sociopath, your host,

FLAVOR!

The only leaf that brings the beef.

Andresvmb

- I like this current discussion with Andres. I've never had to read Andres before, but I don't know if he'd try to work with me as scum over discredit me, so I'm going to town read this here.

shellyc

- They were fluffy early, but they seemed to become a central point for discussion. They also town read me when scum reading me could have been beneficial.

JohnnyFarrar

- I called it out when they jumped on me earlier, but I think this is town. The unvote after was interesting, but yeah. I also don't know if they make that comment Andres called out as scum. It's a weird comment to make as scum.

TheFuzzylogic99

- Seems to be actually analyzing, at least with them talking about not sure how they feel on johnny and I. Feels like Fuzzy. I didn't hate them wondering about Titus and I either, it makes sense.

PlusJOYED

- I town read them Day 1 enough to put them in a town block, but then Day 2, I was the one pushing them the hardest, and they were scum. They also posted a lot more there as scum, so weak meta read from being inactive, but I think this is probably town. If they start scumming it up, they'll lose it, but I'd like to see what happens if they are scum and I put them as a higher town read again anyways.

Hank Spankems

- Hasn't done much, but I did like their greeting to me. It could be scum, not enough out there yet, but I feel if they were scum, they might be more interested. I'll keep this at the higher almost lean town of my neutrals.

Titus

- Hasn't really done much. Could be scum indicative, could be activity issues. I'll keep it null for now, but I'm probably more neutral scum.

Not_Mafia

- I was getting pinged by Not Mafia earlier, but I said recently in another game that I usually town read them when they are scum, but they seemed to post more than I'm used to on Day 1, and I was pinged earlier. I'm leaning scum, but there's not actually enough for me to wanna full send this yet.

geraintm

- He be shading, and does similar anti town rhetoric speals that unwnd does, except their's is actually incorrect here, and might have been advantageous to try and keep shade on me.

unwnd

- Xenoblade 2 they pushed me all Day 1 as town, but there it seemed like they had more actual reasons, here they're just pushing anti town blah, which fine, yeah, there's townies that do that, I expect them to be one of those, but scum use that kinda thing as a crutch "I would be calling it anti town regardless if I was town or not" kinda thing. I'll lean scum.

nopointinactingup

- If I recall correctly, they're the other one who pushed Dunn, so it's interesting they're both voting me now. Nopoint made the second vote, the one I was baiting, so this has a high chance of being caught scum for that reason alone.

Dunnstral

- Dunnstral brushed and deflected early game reads and looks to both try and pocket Shelly by hard town reading them, and also rescinded when speaking to another player, this was to Nopoint even.

In conclusion, vote Dunnstral, my theory is Nopoint/Dunnstral team, probably with one of my higher town reads.

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Will Not Mafia post another wall of Miltanks?

Will Dunnstral try to clap back against Andres and Flavor?

Will Unwnd and Geraint get off their anti town rhetoric and finally think at a higher level?!?

FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

Oh, nobody's read Johnny as town, huh?

Look, I also had Nopoint down low here too.

So everyone jumping on the Nopoint wagon when I pushed Noraa is scummy af, but I'm gonna ease on that, because gamestate is going in my favor. Doesn't mean I'm not still salty.

[Flavor Leaf]

You waited for Noraa to get enough votes and turned on me or anyone else when you got the chance. That way you'll be seen as completely distanced from Noraa. There was no hyenas.

I will hammer the hell out of Noraa.

In what world, do you ever think I would not try to kill Noraa?

If you're faded, she should be vigged.

If she's faded, you should be vigged.

I feel like I've made this clear.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought it was Insaneoflex.

That might change some things.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see. Don't really buy it, but okay.

Having seen FL's claim, I'll just say I have reason to believe it's true.

Damn, I thought this was a Vig soft.

It's why he's been so high on my town reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

this is not scum!shelly's MO at all

I feel it's insanely possible for Shelly to change playstyle specifically because going up against me.

They stated they read my guide multiple times, and has used it, so ScumShelly would have played a different game than normal here based on the dynamic we had.

However, I did town read Shelly, but they were hard hard town reading me, and it felt weird.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll just fullclaim here and now since everyone's pretty much outed: My role's 1-shot loyal bodyguard. Yes, a complete garbage role that is nearly identical to ABR's garbage fakeclaim in that other game. Loyal modifier on a BG only makes sense if a vig exists in a setup, so I believed the enabler claim.

This makes sense, could be a scum role like a "1shot bp bg", but I like it still.

[Flavor Leaf]

1-shot Loyal BG
Vig Enabler
Cop Enabler
Vigilante
Cop

yeah, that looks fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Noraa's bussing, but I'll take the Nopoint fade.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Insano counterclaims whatever it was that Nopoint was softing too.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dunnstral - Make the call.

[Flavor Leaf]

I brought up vigging Unwnd Day 1.

I think you're wrong about Noraa, and I think they're vote is a bus.

Nopoint saved Noraa here too, but they essentially gave their life.

If Nopoint flips town, please vig Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I never said you were bussing Johnny.

That's a misrep.

I believe I specifically said you were trying to pocket Johnny.

And you are bussing Nopoint. I've been pairing you two together for a while now, why are you acting like this is new?

I've literally been stating to vig one of you fade the other.

Like multiple times.

Read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nopoint needs to claim, by the way

[Flavor Leaf]

really just another reason to fade Noraa today, vig nopoint.

another 2 scum possible chain, and you wont have to hear me about it tomorrow.

This is actually the best reason to vote Noraa

[Flavor Leaf]

Plusjoyed is conf town in everyone's book, Noraa

[Flavor Leaf]

actually, you know what.

If you don't think Plusjoyed is conftown here, speak up now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would call you more of a disturbance than a jester, but you nailed you being annoying.

[Flavor Leaf]

OK so what's claimed right now?

Dunnstral - Cop
PlusJOYED - Vigil
FL -Vig enabler
Insano - 1-Shot Bodyguard
Nopo -???
Johnny - ???

It actively gives me a headache reading that btw.

Insano claimed Loyal too.

Nopo claimed investigative based on "clearing" johnny.

Johnny apparently has a claim too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't hate that reasoning.

It's just convenient that he's been pushing me even before I claimed.

I would never claim Vig Enabler as a Scum Vig Enabler is the biggest issue there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Theres too many prs.

I don't buy it.

I agree.

Unfortunately, it doesn't mean it's not true. We may just be in an insanely town sided game that is somehow thought of as balanced.

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way did someone call for massclaim or what? Why are so many claims out

Plusjoyed just claimed, and then Insano claimed, followed by Nopoint claiming they had something to say, alongside Johnny.

Insano looking scummier now.

I thought Insano was the vigilante, and maybe that's what he was going for, but felt the need to change it after Plusjoyed claimed.

I could be overthinking.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lmao FL if you think johnny/me/noraa are scum team again

I've never said Johnny is scum anywhere in this game, i don't know where you keep getting this from.

[Flavor Leaf]

These are the conversations we should be having D5 and not D2

What the fuck am I looking at

I think scum was losing Noraa, so gamestate drastically changed to save her, personally. Then Plusjoyed claimed, and then stuff happened to distract.

It's Noraa/Nopoint then the last one is Insaneo? This means Unwnd would have to be town, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't claim if you have a reason for a missing kill today. Crumb targets, and we can look if a protective dies.

Nobody needs to claim today. We're in a decent spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

else*

[Flavor Leaf]

That still isn't a means of claiming, especially if you could prove it. What you're saying has a lot of utility and you could've gave us worthwhile results??

X

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd prefer that Johnny was not shot at this point, his role seems town to me, and also real

I use Complex Fruit Vendor a lot as a Scum Role in games I design, that's the only thing pinging me. The motives behind Johnny claiming feel townie to me, and Nopoint makes sense too. I don't think Nopoint is town by any means, but I'm less certain than I was a little while ago.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't understand where you disagree

He was likely getting vigged. I think that makes sense for them to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hi Noraa. I think you might be scum too? What's the chance all of these enablers have actual town counterparts?

At least 66% confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... =ramblings

this game, the game of Vorkuta and My famous hyena on Something_Smart, had a Scum Complex Fruit Vendor, which essentially fills the same niche as a Complex Neighborizer. Good for finding PR's.

[Flavor Leaf]

Watcher enabler sounds like what you claim when everyone else is claiming enabler and you're on the chopping block

I think the wagon moved from scum to scum with Noraa to No Point.

And Insaneo is backing them up, kinda.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've been calling you scum since early Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Moot point

It's pronounced Moo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Moot point

It's pronounced Moo.

it's like a cow's opinion, it just doesn't matter.

It's moo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Watcher enabler sounds like what you claim when everyone else is claiming enabler and you're on the chopping block

I think the wagon moved from scum to scum with Noraa to No Point.

And Insaneo is backing them up, kinda.

I voted both of them today, Lol. Kind of don't think noraa is scum anymore though.

classic

[Flavor Leaf]

when it looked like there was potential for him to be faded.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say, I don't like they tried to vote Unwnd again.

It makes me feel like they came into this game trying to pocket me, because they sheeped my Unwnd, Noraa, and Nopoint reads this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

they also did the "believe FL's role to be true" which made me think they were the vigilante.

[Flavor Leaf]

im fine fading Noraa.

They aren't a PR claim anyways, im fine letting all that work itself out. We haven't faded anyone this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

actually who is jacko? Is that Flavor leaf?

oh fuck me. jacko is jacko the amazingest and they aren't in this game. wrong game.

ok, i am really confused now
has someone claimed Vig or not?? or is noraa just making things up

Plus claimed vig

[Flavor Leaf]

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book

Our poe is the same except replace fuzzy with noraa. Actually why not noraa?

Noraa was shelly and shelly was a TR, a lot more because the kill target

You killed Titus, this isn't a defense for townNoraa.

I'm probably gonna want Noraa because Nopoint goes down from a vig everytime.

[Flavor Leaf]

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book

Our poe is the same except replace fuzzy with noraa. Actually why not noraa?

Noraa was shelly and shelly was a TR, a lot more because the kill target

You killed Titus, this isn't a defense for townNoraa.

I'm probably gonna want Noraa because Nopoint goes down from a vig everytime.

scum targeted titus too though I'm pretty sure

I think that's just a guess. It's possible. I still don't think Shelly is immune from making a Titus kill, though. They were pushing her hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, if anything, you shooting them is more of a reason against ShellyScum than Titus getting shot by scum, now that I think of it.

I think you're flipped with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm just gonna be here doing the same thing tomorrow pushing Noraa anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think that's just a guess. It's possible. I still don't think Shelly is immune from making a Titus kill, though. They were pushing her hard.

You realize that shelly is known for having an incredible scum game right?
Her scum game is not anywhere less of worthy of Don Corleone from what I've seen.

If scum!shelly gets caught so easily, why do people know her for her scum games?

She wasn't caught. She replaced out before people were pushing her.

And scum get scum read. I get scum read all the time as both alignments. It's how you use people's reads to your advantage that matter more.

[Flavor Leaf]

well, she didn't replace out, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

You realize that shelly is known for having an incredible scum game right?

Also, what does this have to do with anything, I can catch any scum player, even if they're super good.

Not necessarily on Day 1, but someone being good at scum doesn't mean they are untouchable, and Shelly pocketing me is the exact type of thing I'd expect scum her to try to do.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I think you throw that DC level scum player around too much. There's very few actual DC, only 1 per year.

Previous before me were Skitter, MagnaofIllusion, and Alisae, 3 players I think have a much stronger hold on the game of Mafia than Shelly does herself.

And other than that, there's only a few other people around I think scum's game are on that other level. Mastina, Wisdom, RadiantCowbells are the 3 standouts, I think RC's won it before, but not sure, not that scummies matter in the first place like that.

I just feel you throw that around specifically to try and discredit me, but like there's nobody on this planet that puts more passion and care into their scum game than I do, even if it's for learning processes. Yes, I am still actively trying to learn how to better my scum game, that's just how I see the game of Mafia in general. Also like, underestimating me in general is always fine with me, it helps me win.

I have plans for a video competitive mafia series along with cinematic video exhibition mafia games (i mean, if it goes extra well, and covid stuff leaves, f2f!), but yeah, definitely a side gig I plan to pursue when I'm older, just gotta work on my true passion stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

I remember some people saying that 2019 was one of my worst years on site as a scum player too (i think on a win/loss record of 10-3) which was different because the previous few years I only had 1 defeat, and sometimes 0.

I also was the Hannibal Lector the year before.

You're also assuming people have 1 style of scum play, when I have multiple different metas, and often change it up right when people think they know how I play scum.

I just don't think you understand a lot of mechanics of mafia yet, so that's why I feel you're trying to discredit me.

Trying to weaken me.

It's not a bad play, it's a solid scum play. But don't expect me not to bite back.

[Flavor Leaf]

shelly wouldn't shoot titus.

why?

Scum kill threats.

I abused this in the game where I hard pocketed Titus and threat killed Andres/Johnny.

I understand saying "I don't think Shelly would shoot Titus."

but saying "Shelly wouldn't shoot Titus" is factually incorrect. Shellyc is a better scum player than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

ShellyC was also learning more about gamestate control.

Also, you killed Titus, Plus.

You might be right about Shellyc not killing Titus, but that doesn't mean they are town.

And I'm going to be pushing Noraa until she is dead.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, if I die, then you 100% 100% 100% fade Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Plus - You also know from experience that my Day 2 reads are generally pretty great. I faded you on Day 2 in Ilicit Substances, then Day 3, called out Midway-Remelia as scum team before they removed me from game for 2 day phases.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pine's a step above others as scum as well.

SS/Jingle/Xtoxm/Alchemist also are all stronger scum players around than Shelly, I would say.

I think Shelly would have gotten up there had she not gotten herself banned.

Hectic's improved a lot this year as well, probably around Menalque level for me, but they both haven't been scum against me really.

I'm sure Nacho, Cabd, Ffery, Zmuffin who have been around recently have a strong scum game. I've heard stories about Nacho. MariaR. Isis.

All players I would probably have above Shelly.

I'm excited to see how Hectic does once everyone understands how he works as scum, and the reinvention that becomes necessary.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Johnny - Can we just vote Noraa?

[Flavor Leaf]

Now I'm more focused on thinking about top scum players.

Eddie Cane is someone I think is ahhhhmazing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nopoint scum Vig Insane or Noraa

Nopoint town Vig Johnny or Noraa

Either way, Noraa is scum here

[Flavor Leaf]

I refuse to believe Johnny is town regardless of anything.

my point exactly

[Flavor Leaf]

I have more town victories this year than scum victories, but people try to push my scum game and yet still try to discredit me.

Vig/Fade Combo of Noraa/Nopoint is the most beneficial move right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's literally No Point and Noraa.

I will fade Johnny if I have to to prove this point, but I really would rather fade Noraa, vig No Point.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Johnny - what's the neighborhood like? Did you guys claim to each other prior?

[Flavor Leaf]

I could if people would just fade you. My attention span would triple.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let's fade Noraa then.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I die, Plus doesn't get to vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa/Nopoint guarantees us at least 1 scum like 100% of the time here.

This gamestate does not occur without scum not being involved there somewhere, and Noraa/Nopoint make sense in essentially every single scum team that could exist.

And if town has an unclaimed Watcher, they get a free check tonight essentially, and it doesnt help scum that much because we outed a lot of PR's.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fading Nora allows this PR mess to figure itself out over time, and gives every potential PR room to act if they can tonight.

Noraa is not only the slot I want to flip because they annoy me, it is strategically the best fade, then to vig Nopoint.


Noraa is trying to push Johnny so that Johnny doesn't come off as town after Nopoint flips. Nopoint is setting me up for if Noraa gets faded to push me as a buddy. Noraa came into this game ready to discredit me, as she did it before I even posted after she replaced in. This happened because I was pushing Nopoint as scum, and I needed to be discredited.