Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Gamma Emerald]

Or just don't even try to figure out my alignment and claim a half-hearted result without engaging me in any significant way when I pretty much have been claimnoring for your death and if I'm a parity cop I would be trying to suss out my two targets to see which is the one more likely to be scum but sure your cute little 'then perish' must suffice in your mind

I did try to suss things out, I was making sure people felt good TRing Kazyan because if so that meant it was likely unwnd

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d take a 1-for-1 where I get flipped and then unwnd but some of you idiots seem to think it’s Kazyan for no fucking reason

[Gamma Emerald]

Flipping Kaz proves nothing if he flips green. If he flips red, then cool. Gamma is real and I eat crow. However, if he flips green then Gamma can just go 'see I told you it's unwnd!' but like the same circumstance can happen if you were to eliminate me. It's just a shoddy claim and I kind of(?) get why Dwlee wanted to eliminate outside but yes it is quite useless in the scheme of things.

lmfaooooooo
Weren’t you just howling about how powerful my role was?
Eat rope, scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think no lim is probably the most inoffensive option atp
I do want to know why house thinks I fakeclaim as town, I’m willing to fakeclaim in certain scenarios but I don’t fucking fakeclaim a guilty. I read the god damn wiki article about that.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you are real, please check between LLD and Worst.

If Worst is confirmed town, then that means his protect was real.

Having LLD cleared would give my great relief.

I am amenable to that, there’s absolutely no way I see that being S/S

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there a reason that’s not S/S? Plus, because of the restriction on my role I feel less averse to checking a likely NK.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, that's not how that works at all. We need to make a conftown outside of the doc claim so scum are forced to choose between shooting PRs and shooting conftown. I know I can't be S/S with LLD and I think it's pretty obvious, so don't check against the NK target.

Yeah I’m not interested in shit that only works from the target’s POV. I need something

I

can go on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Either tell me how your interactions with LLD and vice versa are not S/S or I’m not doing it. This isn’t locked to Dwlee but he seems sure of himself so he should be able to manage this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want an inno on me :C

In all seriousness LLD/TW check works for me

VOTE: no lim

I’m not opposed to checking you, however again, need someone I can check against that can’t be SvS.
But pls unvote so we can work out a good set of targets. I’m defaulting to tw/LLD if nothing else gets hammered out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where are you at in this game?

I like Dannfloor and Dwlee for town. Maybe a side of Unwd.

Dannfloor is very succinct, not very driving, but reading his ISO it seems pretty obvious they are critically reading the game.
Unwd is townread for similar reasons, they seem to be actively scumhunting but from the main fray rather than the sidelines. Ill throw them a TL for now.
Dwlee seems to have the same impressions as me for a lot of the game so far.

I can see Loftwing as scum with either gamma or pooky off of associatives (mounting a defensish manuever for both out of purely mechanical reasons rather than off of reads).

Rest is very meh. I'll let you know if I forgot something.


Rest is meh.

Going back to this post; I know I’m town and I was thinking Meg was trying to tie me to her buddy if she’s scum here, so same thing probably goes for Pooky, so Meg+Pooky is probably not S/S.

Is everyone good with a check on Meg and Pooky?

[Gamma Emerald]

I could check LLD against Gork?
I also feel like I kinda should have proof-read that last post because as I went to submit I was like “wait LLD reads as town rn, I should actually find another choice”
But yeah that post has hard ro3 pings and in MegAzumarill’x last scumgame she kinda fell hard into ro3 telling

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw no lim is at e-1 since it usually just requires 50% instead of majority

That’s why I asked you to unvote!

[Gamma Emerald]

ro3?

Rule of Three
Scum tend to include a buddy whenever they are posting a set of three names unprompted

[Gamma Emerald]

ro3?

Rule of Three
Scum tend to include a buddy whenever they are posting a set of three names unprompted

But this game I'm putting all of my scumbuddies whenever I give names?
I mean that only matters if I am scum so I'd suggest against using it until I flip red (never)

The problem is your wanting to push me over Loftwing when you thought Loftwing could be paired with me OR Pooky felt wrong. But I also have a philosophy of “kill the roots before the limbs” when it comes to pursuing unflipped associative SRs where it’s only based on one person’s behavior in the pair
Anyway my phones almost dead so pls make sure a decision is actually agreed upon before hammering no lim

[Gamma Emerald]

can you explain why you don't buy the claim

Pretty powerful role for a mini.

Useful claim to eat a bullet instead of a mislim.

I don’t fake a guilty, and definitely not like this. I care about my reputation. It’s hard enough for me to get any damn respect on this site already.

[Gamma Emerald]

fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

More please?

Can we ducking not? I’d like a solid idea of what to do here.

[Gamma Emerald]

if you thought gamma was scum, why also think that there would be a guaranteed scum lim tomorrow with a flip in the pair

From his perspective. Read who I'm talking to. I'm asking why Gamma wouldn't be voting between Kaz/Unwnd today. Instead he had his vote on meg

You do realize I voted unwnd in my first post today right

[Gamma Emerald]

I've basically been thinking Kaz has been town all game, and the protect looked super hinky. I wasn't in the mood to push a probable misyeet, especially since there wasn't even momentum there at all. I basically just said "might as well have an extra day to get results, I don't feel okay outing without more info"

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think House and mcat are S/S, does anyone object to me checking them tonight?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I remember that :/

[Gamma Emerald]

fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

More please?

Can we ducking not? I’d like a solid idea of what to do here.

{kazyan,unwnd,me} + lld imo

I was checking what no elim was at because while I want to cast my vote there I don’t wanna hammer it until Kazyan clarifies his mechsolve
This suggestion doesn’t really work. I can’t target kaz or unwnd again until n3, and I agree with the assertions that targeting you seems like a bad idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no elim
I haven’t seen much in favor of House and mcat as targets but there hasn’t been much opposition either.
I would rather no elim vs. yeeting kaz because if one of my existing results flips green (which I very much expect to happen with a kaz yeet) I feel like tw is not gonna be on me in that case, and I’d like to try and make sure scum have to give up some ground here if tw is town. I would supporting yeeting Meg if we’re yeeting outside me/kaz/unwnd because I feel like she’s gonna be a slot I’m paranoid about going forward and I can’t tell who tf her buddies could be past vague concepts. She was acting very partnery with loftwing but LLD feels super-genuine. I don’t feel good about any of the people in her TRs in the ro3 post I mentioned other than Dann slightly, and it’s not enough to make him a useable anchor. The only action I could see working there is Gork+Meg.

I don’t know how well this is going to go over but I’m going through with it.

@LLD

, which alters were fronting for TENET and for WSB? I feel like my ability to read you might be dependent on that factor, as you pretty effectively snowed me in TENET but I latched onto a pretty solid gut ping that ended up correct in WSB.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I don’t

entirely

feel averse to getting limmed tomorrow if I can help further sort out the PoE with my flip. But I think the best way to ensure tw targets me tonight is to take a course of action today that doesn’t put me in a bad spot. I feel like the level of volume I’ve seen regarding “flip kaz and then gamma” is making it rather unlikely tw targets me in that universe. Now, if someone, most likely LLD, can actually write out the logic that leads to Kazyan being the most likely scum in the three, maybe my vibe read will change.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

[Gamma Emerald]

hhhfffhhh
I think a part of this might be that I’m kinda applying things I’ve felt IRL to this game. My hopes and dreams for a long time have been to create something artful that is very “me” and also feels like adding something of value to the world. Currently my thinking is I want to try and make music, some of it based on the feelings inside me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

Your perspective makes no sense.

If Kaz is scum and we kill him, you might die tonight but that means you died after making a guilty on a scum, killing them AND CONFIRMING UNWND TOWN.

If Kaz is town and we kill him, SCUM WILL NEVER KILL YOU.

So if you are town, killing Kaz always either

Catches a scum and confirms a townie before dying (amazing)

or

Gives you two results before you get voted out and then have those results confirmed (confirms unwnd as scum, plus another parity cop outcome)

Why are EITHER OF THESE BAD?

RE: the bolded, I’m worried that’s not the case, which is what is fueling my actions here.

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck’s sake
I WANT TO GET ANOTHER NIGHT OF RESULTS.
What about that is so hard for you people to understand?

[Gamma Emerald]

i dunno i think gamma's line about not faking a guilty feels almost like a borderline trust tell and it rubs me the wrong way

I clarified at one point that there’s circumstances where I would do it as town. Doing it when I’m on the chopping block on a person that I’ve kinda been at odds with for a while? Nah, that ain’t it chief.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: No Elimination

This is a cool and good time to spend our No-Lim day, yeah

You missed this

@unwnd

[Gamma Emerald]

Y’all are starting to make sense here >_<

[Gamma Emerald]

kazyan's they/them btw

I don’t recall messing that up anytime recently but I feel like I may have screwed it ip earlier in the game so I’d like to apologize in advance if I did

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you mean “if Gamma is fake” when you say “if Gamma is real”?

[Gamma Emerald]

Murdercat + either of me or house feels kinda nonsensical
If I make a push on mcat like I did this game as a buddy,

I preface that shit

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still at the phase where I'm comparing to my past experiences of games and I have to listen to that.

I have never grown out of this and probably never will

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm going to be blunt here.

This entire situation feels to me like gamma and kaz are s/s.

Gamma wanting to bot flip kaz despite having a guilty.
The fact that is 1 flips scum the other would look clear (even though not in reality)
Gamma trying to push specifically unwd in their posts.

Anyone else get the same impression?

Just wanna ask who you think the third is in that universe because I feel like there’s definitely better ways to play this as S/S even before looking at that aspect.

[Gamma Emerald]

A case would have actually been the best thing if you wanted me to actually vote Kazyan

[Gamma Emerald]

What is your input on current events

[Gamma Emerald]

People want to yeet Kazyan, I’m tepid on the idea unless you swear to target me even if they flip town

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not voting Kaz unless tw promises to target me tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm going down a meta rabbit hole rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay yeah tw is clearly posting like Betrayal in this game rather than 2170.
VOTE: Kazyan
I don’t think a no-kill gambit happened so atp I’m fine with assuming unwnd town.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

I need a new pairing if we’re voting out mcat

[Gamma Emerald]

I could do pooky/house or pooky/gork, tho I kinda prefer pooky/gork

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no elim
I'm gonna be checking house and mcat

[Gamma Emerald]

I got no result

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma can you give a summary of your headspace right now?

My will is kinda broken from external factors, I do kinda wanna think about why LLD died though

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm feeling like meg and kaz are the most suspicious from the LLD kill, looking at LLD ISO

[Gamma Emerald]

dwlee why r u assuming scum have a roleblocker lol

It is the only scenario where gamma is town here. If gamma is scum there's also no rush to kill the doctor either imo, it'd be better to take a shot at someone who could flip investigative.

but ur voting for gamma

yeah this is a bit of a yikes

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma
on a scale of 1-10 how likely is it that your will does a 180 sometime before deadline of this cycle?

maybe a 3
I don't like Meg silently piling on either when she was pretty confident I was town yday

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever we do I'd like if everyone gets a chance to actually give input on things before I or anyone else is hammered

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still under the impression its both kaz and gamma.

nah, I don't believe you believe that.
VOTE: megazumarill

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont know what to make of gamma acting like this.

I'm mostly just tired of trying to fight my through every game. There's still the urge to help out within me, but I'm not going to kick and scream if people genuinely think flipping me is the best way to resolve what's going on in this game rn.
Plus, I may be a useful role but that only counts if we can hunt down the roleblocker. I have vague ideas of how to do that but nothing conclusive.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not being defeatist because I think town has reached consensus on me if that's your question, as I said, external factors. I am on the verge of full-on burnout and don't want to push myself to my breaking point.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for outside of the mechanics frenzy, I think house/Mcat are the most suspiscious

how so?

[Gamma Emerald]

your rationale here does seem a little more logical after your last few posts though

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna get this out of the way now. Who should I try to check tonight? I’m inclined to start crafting a results chain, so that would mean one of unwnd and kaz should be 1 of 2 targets. If we want to yeet one of them tonight, I’ll check against an unsure slot, but if not I’m inclined to check against Pooky.

[Gamma Emerald]

If kaz flips scum Roleblocker then unwd/pooky works.
If anything else you prolly don't get a result

I already doubt Pooky/unwnd are S/S, so unless I get paranoid of Pooky that won’t happen. But I’d be willing to check unwnd/you. And part of me suspects maybe one of house/mcat are mafia ascetic (inclined to think it would be house perhaps)

[Gamma Emerald]

Feels like House was a little

too

fine with me checking him, plus night event being weird makes me think scum might not actually have a roleblocker

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that reaction seems fair

[Gamma Emerald]

The way he snapped to voting MCat, it feels like natural thought process kicking in

[Gamma Emerald]

House basically realized I did have a point about looking at the people I wanted to target and is voting the other person as it’s kinda-sorta a guilty for him
That’s about as clear as I can make it

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s what I mean
You know you’re town and so me being blocked points to MCat for you

[Gamma Emerald]

if you/mcat r both town and gamma is town, why would scum let Gamma give a double innocent result?

Because that's not how it works?

Aligned together does not mean both of us are town.

Aligned separately DOES mean there's SCUM

Yeah, this
While I would have been confident y’all weren’t scum partners, idk how much scum knew that

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I am baffled by the LLD kill because she wasn't exactly UTR
probably means there's a scum with a good amount of exp with her

[Gamma Emerald]

why wouldn't debate be productive?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you Meg/Dwlee/Pooky/Ythan for all doing the right thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you Meg/Dwlee/Pooky/Ythan for all doing the right thing.

Dwlee literally gamethrew.

I wouldn't call that "doing the right thing".

He just played to his town wincon. Not like he would’ve won had he not missed his culting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Outside of the small incident with MCat this was a pretty solid #goodvibes game
Been wanting one after recent events.