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Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:58 am

In post 2230, Wiki wrote:Secondly, you are trying to elim Three, who is rather towny in many moments

maybe if you attempted to actually read the game, you'd see the bullshit three is saying about me, but who am i to teach such a professional player >_>

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:04 am

re 2023:

you mean how i'm the top wagon? and how at the time, i was the only vote for you? and how people are listening to your bullshit? yeah, got an army behind me.

re 2024:

what's the misrep? you voted dorsey while scumreading me, did basically nothing to acknowledge the fact that we've been scumreading each other for years, kept scumreading dorsey while seeing if my wagon is viable, and when i dared to comment on the fact that your read on me is ~wrong~, your immediate response was 1729 and 1730.

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:13 am

re 2027:

ah yes, the very logical assumption of "i think you're full of shit, but i'm still very interested in hearing about how you got there". my bad for not seeing it.

it matters because you're now doing the exact same thing i called you out for in one of the recent posts.

you

called it progression, i replied to it using the

same

word in obviously the

same

context, and your response was assuming the word progression means something completely different. and again, sorry for assuming you meant wild as in scummy, in the same post you voted me? lol.

i made a huge fucking post responding to everyone's recent post, the only old thing i touched on was in response to your read, you claimed that that's all i'm focused on, and now you're claiming that didn't happen? is this gaslighting???

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:14 am

also, i don't respond to out-of-game things in-game out of principle, but if you want, we can talk about 2029 post-game.

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:16 am

In post 2239, Wiki wrote:Datisi. I can see Three can be easy confused townie.
Why dont you have such a thought?

i had such thought

i fucking had such thought in 1728 before he misrepped the everliving shit out of that post

for the love of god learn to read

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:28 am

In post 2041, Looker wrote:
In post 1982, Datisi wrote:
In post 1953, Looker wrote:
Are you saying that you would've drawn a different conclusion from that information? Because, when I presented it to you in conversation, all you said was "okay" and stopped talking.

Spoiler: 1533
In post 1533, Looker wrote:It's just that I'm skimming through and all of the bigger wagons (Wiki, Selynee, geraintm,
Almost50
, Dorsey) have had you on them. You weren't on A50's, though.
here's the bad faith tone again... i'm saying that going "wow, you were on a lot of wagons, therefore you're scum" is an extremely Bad And Simplistic take that's more likely to come from scum than someone who's actually solving the game. i'm not claiming i would've townread myself because of it.
? Looking at the post, it doesn't look like I was saying that at all. It looks like I was asking you why you wagoned that way and why you were so dismissive of the speculation, especially if "patterns and inconsistencies are a way of finding scum".

really? the "wow, you were on almost every leading wagon so far" isn't supposed to be carrying any negative connotations?

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:29 am

In post 2253, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2246, Wiki wrote:
Why do you vote Ico? Dwlee,Andre etc say that Ico is town. Dont you believe them? You tr them a lot. +Datisi is so sure

Their reaction on
Looker
's
prod dodge
claim seems bad.

why?

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:31 am

In post 2050, Looker wrote:
In post 1953, Looker wrote:
Spoiler: 1776/1780
In post 1776, Datisi wrote:wiki, can you stop pretending like you're a fucking moron who learned about the game of mafia yesterday

you were giving me shit earlier for "not having any progression on you and never considering you scum" (despite that being untrue!) and now you're pretending like i just randomly called dorsey scum after calling them town with no reasoning or explanation

get your head out of your own fucking ass because you're showing time and time again you don't know shit about this game

In post 1780, Datisi wrote:i'm getting heated because a good part of the game is not playing, so if they're town the game is unnecessarily harder, wiki is being denser than a neutron star and refusing to listen to *anything reasonable* someone else is saying, and i'm seeing so much pussyfooting around my slot but almost nobody is willing to actually go and talk to me or argue

like how tf am i supposed to not get pissed at this game?

What's the difference between heated and flail?
i don't know, and why is this relevant?
In your opinion? Or do you feel it can even be determined?

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:32 am

not having come to that part yet, if this game turns into another one of me having to defend the dragon for doing dragon things and people misreading it, i'm gonna fucking lose it

that said, salsa, you should vote three, considering it's shaping up to be either him or me, you scumread him and townread me, and your ico vote is doing... nothing.

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:33 am

In post 2050, Looker wrote:
In post 1953, Looker wrote:
Spoiler: 1776/1780
In post 1776, Datisi wrote:wiki, can you stop pretending like you're a fucking moron who learned about the game of mafia yesterday

you were giving me shit earlier for "not having any progression on you and never considering you scum" (despite that being untrue!) and now you're pretending like i just randomly called dorsey scum after calling them town with no reasoning or explanation

get your head out of your own fucking ass because you're showing time and time again you don't know shit about this game

In post 1780, Datisi wrote:i'm getting heated because a good part of the game is not playing, so if they're town the game is unnecessarily harder, wiki is being denser than a neutron star and refusing to listen to *anything reasonable* someone else is saying, and i'm seeing so much pussyfooting around my slot but almost nobody is willing to actually go and talk to me or argue

like how tf am i supposed to not get pissed at this game?

What's the difference between heated and flail?
In your opinion? Or do you feel it can even be determined?

i don't know, and why is this relevant?

lol i fucked the earlier quote

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:37 am

wow i can't believe three misrepped wiki's post there and said he's claiming roleblcoker, wow confscum

(for legal purposes, this is a joke)

In post 2096, Wiki wrote:Yeah, im thinking about your scumslip.
Because it sounds you are not worrying about blocking scum prs.
Not only kill can be blocked if im not mistaking.

tell me you know nothing about balance without telling me you know nothing about balance. this is a 4v9 setup. there ain't gonna *be* any scum power roles. i'd be very surprised if scum aren't all goons (maybe some negative utility bullshit, but more likely all goons).

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:48 am

yep, just as i thought, wiki's reasoning for voting me is utter bullshit

he was in favour of voting three, but he managed to twist himself into voting me based on hot air

i'm fucking policying him tomorrow if three is red, literally no questions asked

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:52 am

suspicious af on both of three and t3, but once he's faced with voting between me and three, he chooses to vote me based on absolutely nothing, despite actually thinking i was town earlier and nothing having changed

like literally in what fucking world is this town? who decides to vote for their townread instead of their scumread when faced with the decision between the two of them?

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:52 am

In post 2277, Wiki wrote:VOTE: almost50
Hard vote
He is voting not in his poe

yeah, not like he has a strong townread on me and is therefore voting my counterwagon, no, can't fucking be

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:55 am

nah, you said you thought i could be town, you put me well in the upper half

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:03 am

In post 2282, Wiki wrote:And then i changed it and put you lower. And then at the bottom

In post 2284, Wiki wrote:You can check it in my iso

i did, i ain't found shit between you putting me high and you voting me. but please, do keep spamming the thread.

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:23 am

In post 2291, Almost50 wrote:@Datisi: Come vote the clown with us

would like to, but realistically he's gonna claim pr and we're probably gonna just go back to the claimed vt (also i obviously scumread three more) and if he's town, it's better to not force a claim out

also, wiki, that came after you voted me, and it still doesn't explain shit about what you find scummy about me, it's just a halfassed partner read that means nothing (:

Datisi · Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:27 am

In post 2302, Looker wrote:
In post 2257, Datisi wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2041, Looker wrote:
In post 1982, Datisi wrote:
In post 1953, Looker wrote:
Are you saying that you would've drawn a different conclusion from that information? Because, when I presented it to you in conversation, all you said was "okay" and stopped talking.
1533
here's the bad faith tone again... i'm saying that going "wow, you were on a lot of wagons, therefore you're scum" is an extremely Bad And Simplistic take that's more likely to come from scum than someone who's actually solving the game. i'm not claiming i would've townread myself because of it.
? Looking at the post, it doesn't look like I was saying that at all. It looks like I was asking you why you wagoned that way and why you were so dismissive of the speculation, especially if "patterns and inconsistencies are a way of finding scum".
really? the "wow, you were on almost every leading wagon so far" isn't supposed to be carrying any negative connotations?

Is your assertion that I am...

Accusing you of something you are doing?

Accusing you of something you are not doing?

If you...

are
NOT
doing it: Can't you just show that you're not doing it?

ARE
doing it: Can't you show that what you're doing benefits town if you're town?
I don't understand the "negative connotations" and "bad faith" arguments if what I'm referring to is factual.

yes, i was obviously on those wagons. framing it the way you did, it's showing off the fact i was on the wagons and it's leaving it open for others to draw the most simplistic conclusion from it, that being on a lot of wagons bad because trying to score misyeet. it's not looking at the possibility of me voting those players because i wanted to pressure or read them, it's just stating facts without context hoping i get scumread for them.

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:44 am

welcome to the shitshow, enchant, when can we expect Things from you?

first order of business for today is...

VOTE: wiki

wiki, you should probably claim.

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:57 am

cool, do you mind saying what you *are* since you basically counterclaimed the jk yesterday?

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:55 am

i can maybe see that universe existing

but also wiki panicking when he saw the main wagon claimed jk and counterclaiming to make sure it goes through sounds much more possible to me

do you think it's *likely*?

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:47 am

In post 2552, Wiki wrote:im not sure about andre anymore. i wasnt sure honestly. i felt strange about him when he vote three and ran away. maybe rl thing. maybe not only that.

In post 2553, Wiki wrote:andre, say genuinly why did you vote him? all the truth, all the reasons, even stupid ones if they exist. i guess i have some understanding, one option, but i wish to hear that, not to guess myself

nice dumbslip bro

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:53 am

In post 2545, Wiki wrote:Datisi, btw, I unvoted him and didn't hammer him immediately after the claim. Is it ok for mafia to cc after this with very low chance of success? I really believed he is scum, that's all.

nah, you unvoted him only later when you were begging for a hammer on him, and said you will hammer him yourself. and not like hammering him immedately after the claim would make you look any good?

keep pretending you have any reasons for scumreading me other than "didn't talk to t3" though.

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:54 am

ironically enough, t3 is ignoring me now >_>

Datisi · Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:46 am

wiki, give a reason why i'm scum that doesn't involve t3.

Datisi · Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:10 am

In post 2581, Wiki wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1791, Datisi wrote:
In post 1786, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai
ico, what are you doing

In post 1871, Datisi wrote:
In post 1863, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: T3
maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs
ico pls
why not t3-t
why is three town

i think these posts are scummiest in your iso, and you sureness about ico's color from nowhere and other colors...
how many mistakes should you do to become a scum? you've got 1, u was rather sure

why are those posts scummy
what are you even trying to say here

In post 2589, geraintm wrote:Quickly going to post, I ain't voting wiki today

explain

In post 2606, Salsabil Faria wrote:VOTE: Datisi

you too

wiki has spent the whole first day screaming how he's a strong power role and how we cannot vote him out, but now he's self voting? okay

also big fucking lol @ claiming he's town for shitspamming all over the game

gera's posts give me a headache as usual

In post 2613, Dwlee99 wrote:Lol I feel like Datisi in TTTT after pooky lol hammered t3 and I was like "but I think pooky is town :^)"

don't remind me

aight, gonna be properly here tomorrow, can y'all make this game a bit less headache by then, thanks

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:35 am

In post 2622, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2621, Datisi wrote:
In post 2606, Salsabil Faria wrote:VOTE: Datisi
you too

wiki has spent the whole first day screaming how he's a strong power role and how we cannot vote him out, but now he's self voting? okay

also big fucking lol @ claiming he's town for shitspamming all over the game

I know what he did, but still not sure if his scum partners let him play like this. Yeah, one thing can happen, he is a traitor and his playstyle was signaling the scums and that's why he is still alive ever after claiming
important
TPR in D1. I'm considering this scenario, but not interested in closing the D2 early.

Andres
nk indicates towards scum!
T3
but scum can use this for another miselimination tactic. Need to read
Andres
's ISO...

bold of you to assume someone like wiki would ever listen to what his scumpartners are telling him, but also why wouldn't they let him act like this? it was getting him consistently townread on day 1.

can you now answer the actual question i asked you, which is explain your vote?

In post 2641, Enchant wrote:Wiki claimed "Townie" already and admitted lying.

where? he's claimed to be an ~important power role~ multiple times in day one, and it's apparently not a jailkeeper.

also, do you have thoughts on wiki's yeet? his alignment? anyone else in the game?

i lowkey want to just quote every post that dwlee's posted today about wiki and gera, because my god i don't feel like properly reading those gera posts

In post 2649, geraintm wrote:the logic of scum faking a counterclaim against a PR, just in an attempt to push it through, knowing they are going to get heat for it the next day

the logic of scum faking a counterclaim against a pr, knowing they are gonna get heat for it the next day is that the scum in question won't die right there, instead they'll survive for an extra day, *and* they'll vote out a power role instead of them

and then going "nvm i'm not actually jk" gives them nonzero chance of surviving further because there's always some people that go "idk guys why would scum do that? ):" and like, counterclaiming pr for a 1for1 trade is the most basic scum move when going down early

yeah you know what i don't feel like reading those posts rn

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:07 am

not to dumbtell or anything, but what is a mafia

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:17 am

In post 2651, Datisi wrote:
In post 2641, Enchant wrote:Wiki claimed "Townie" already and admitted lying.
where? he's claimed to be an ~important power role~ multiple times in day one, and it's apparently not a jailkeeper.

also, do you have thoughts on wiki's yeet? his alignment? anyone else in the game?

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:24 am

still don't think that's him actually claiming townie, of course he can get in here and actually claim his role

now you can answer the second part of that question

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:35 am

In post 2662, Salsabil Faria wrote:
Ok fineeeeeee

UNVOTE: Datisi

VOTE: Wiki

No iso-diving happened...

?

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:48 am

okay, take 2:

what made you change your mind and unvote me (who you were townreading the day before, but then voted at the start of day for still unexplained reasons) and vote wiki (who i've been pushing since i've opened my eyes on day 2)?

Datisi · Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:05 am

so, salsa just put wiki on y-1 without explanation, but it's fine, i don't need to unvote, right? not like anyone is gonna hammer right after dwlee said they don't want a hammer yet, right??? (:

won't pretend i'm gonna be crying over wiki yeet but come on

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:15 am

holy shit i am fucking pissed off at this game

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:16 am

salsa, what the fuck was that turnaround from townreading me to voting me to voting wiki, you're explaining that today

enchant, what the fuck was that hammer after saying you were thinking wiki is town and after dwlee explicitly said not to hammer

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:19 am

we're massclaiming today, yeah? my vote is for someone from dorsey/looker/salsa to start, potentially enchant too

it has been a while since a game has legitimately made me want to bang my head against the wall, but this game did it

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 am

ngl, i am lowkey wondering if salsa+enchant is a thing and that was a coordinated quickhammer, because that shit really reminded me of the time me and my partners did a 3-man quickhammer on day 2 and (almost) got away with it

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:25 am

actually yeah, 4 scum, 9 alive, 5v4 lylo, it's not even *that* unlikely even just by random chance

ugh

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:35 am

dwlee asked for more time, they asked for until the weekend, and that was wednesday. the game can greatly change within those 3-4 days, and dwlee was planning to try to fully solve it. it's not a guarantee wiki would've gone down, especially if he had an actual good claim ready. (he obviously wouldn't have had, but you had no way of knowing it at the time.)

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:36 am

like, you're gonna need to do a bit better than "i am town because i quickhammered a claimed power role right after i called them town and after someone asked for more time, because if i were scum i wouldn't have done that".

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:26 am

you should unvote that if you're town

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:26 am

i will be extremely fucking pissed if i get hammered here for the mistake that wiki did holy shit

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:27 am

voting people because "hurr durr was on wagon" is a horrible way to play and i had damn good reason to vote there yesterday

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:29 am

alright then

VOTE: dorsey

ico isn't scum. t3 might be, but with how many scummy fucks there are this game, good chance he's town.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:30 am

i wasn't the only person on those wagons, i wasn't the one who counterclaimed them to get them killed or quickhammered them, but do keep doing this if you're scum, you're not winning this fight

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:31 am

if you're town, this is just the icing on the huge dumpsterfire gsmethrowing cake that was town this game

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:33 am

lurking and having unexplained reads then pretend to be playing by voting the person actually trying to solve the game doesn't make you town.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:34 am

In post 2712, Dorsey wrote:Cool cool cool, so I received a fake friendly neighbor notification last night

the hell does this mean?

In post 2713, Dorsey wrote:You do fake outrage in every game. It's not compelling.

you've never played with me. and it's not fake.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:37 am

says the person whose snapvoting in lylo for "killing two townies". please.

pedit: why should i answer that? you remembered you need to pretend to solve me?

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 am

it's a genuine question. you're obviously so convinced i'm scum since you're willing to snapvote in lylo based on paperthin reasoning. why do you care who i think scum is?

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:45 am

where did i contradict myself?

i've already given out who i think is the most scummy earlier today when i was commenting on massclaim. that much didn't change in the past page.

the fact that you snap voted in lylo and didn't want to unvote doesn't scream that you're willing to change your mind. besides, saying i have no other points is laughable, i have given a shitton of takes this game.

"what if you play the game" is really rich coming from you.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:49 am

"hey, you should unvote me, it's lylo"

"nah, don't think i will"

"very well, since we now 100% lose if you're town, i have no choice but to crossvote you, since in the event the game is not over soon, you are confirmed scum to me"

it's not that deep fam

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:52 am

well i had to spell it out considering you tried to claim it was a contradiction to crossvote someone in lylo after you told them they should unvote and they refused to.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:54 am

my leading suspect can theoretically be wrong

if the game doesn't end, you will be 100% confirmed scum to me

who should be voted, the less than 100% scum or the 100% scum? like, do you know how lylo works?

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:58 am

yes

if you are town, i get piled on by scum, in that universe the game is already over

so the only scenario in which the game is not over is the one where you're scum

in which case i should be voting you

pedit: doesn't have to be a quickhammer. they can drag it out for a week. but if you're town and you refuse to unvote me, eventually scum will get their shit together and vote me out.

ppedit: oh my god

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:00 pm

In post 2734, Dorsey wrote:Wouldn't that make you and A50 scum, too?

like, is this seriously a point you're trying to make here?

if you are town, this game is gg. i'm not considering that universe.

so i have to assume you're scum. if you're scum, you *should* be voted. how tf did you manage to twist that into me and a50 being scum? i obviously never claimed that "anyone who ever votes in lylo is scum", why are you pretending that's my argument?

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:04 pm

okay, you're trying to piss me off so that you can discredit me for being mad and using insults or whatever. i'm going to bad. if a townie actually ends up voting me here, they're never hearing the end of it.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:09 pm

you literally turned my "whoever is voting me in lylo is confirmed scum to me, assuming the game doesn't end" into "whoever votes in lylo ever is scum", so please don't talk about not misrepping me.

no, i'm just gonna give them a friendly reminder from time to time they're not that good at mafia, if they managed to read me as scum over you ):

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:16 pm

a50 is either scum having fun with two townies voting each other (in which case this game is already over, so who gives a shit), or he's voting scum. if he's voting scum, i don't give a shit if he's bussing or being genuine. that will be figured out tomorrow.

pedit: no. if you're town, we always lose if you don't unvote me. so me unvoting you would just be prolonging the inevitable. that said, the odds of you being town are sinking lower and lower with this convo, so.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:18 pm

In post 2731, Datisi wrote:

my leading suspect can theoretically be wrong

if the game doesn't end, you will be 100% confirmed scum to me

who should be voted, the less than 100% scum or the 100% scum? like, do you know how lylo works?

In post 2732, Dorsey wrote:Insults, nice. So why am I 100%? Because I voted?

In post 2734, Dorsey wrote:Wouldn't that make you and A50 scum, too?

2732 is you simplifying the argument from "i'm scum because i voted you (and we're assuming no quickhammers etc you probably get it by now)" to "i'm scum because i voted" to then go "wouldn't that make you and a50 scum too"

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:22 pm

In post 2750, Dorsey wrote:you're not speaking from any perspective other than "I'm town, therefore Dorsey is scum",

it's lylo. you're voting me.

like coming up with any other perspective as for why you're scum would be pointless and fake. either i'm wrong on you being scum and we're going to lose one way or the other, or i'm right on you being scum, and any other argument i present here would be working backwards, not to mention extremely pointless to present to you.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:23 pm

In post 2752, Dorsey wrote:A50 COULD be scum, but you're not going to vote him because in 3 business days his partners are just going to pile on whoever anyway. It's just really not believable.

???

why would i vote him when i am voting for confirmed scum? like, are you hearing yourself?

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 2755, Dorsey wrote:Also, the going theory that you're leaving out (which is a disservice if you're town) is that you're scum and neither one of us is going to be quickhammered because you're scum and you don't have enough votes to hammer me yet.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:38 pm

In post 2762, Dorsey wrote:It's also impossible for the odds of me being town to sink lower with a convo.

do you have any arguments other than taking things i say 100% literally and twisting them around? that and general spamming the thread with irrelevant posts.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:50 pm

to clarify what? how me saying "your odds of being town are sinking lower with this convo" means "this convo is making me more sure you're scum", and not "this convo is magically retroactively altering your probability of having rolled scum in this game"? that's not something that needs clarification. i've never met anyone before you who tried to argue it means the latter. i don't think you're genuinely arguing that either.

did you maybe try to interpret it as "if you already think i'm 0% town, those odds cannot sink lower"? because if so, that's still taking a convoluted way to try to point out a "contradiction" in my thinking.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:57 pm

if your interpretation really was "if you already think i'm 0% town, those odds cannot sink lower", then the "contradiction" is that i called you 100% scum for voting me, but those odds somehow became greater because of a convo. please don't tell me i have to explain why that makes no sense.

the "understanding isn't what you're after here" felt like an attack.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:58 pm

In post 2773, Dorsey wrote:I thought lylo mechanics rendered me 100% scum. Only me, though, not A50.

here we fucking go again. yes, you're 100% scum to me and a50 isn't, because you are voting me and it is lylo.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:59 pm

gera, you had me as scum because i was voting wiki. i had reasons to vote him.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 2779, Dorsey wrote:He plays this game for fun.

i can assure you that i do not. look in ico's signature. >_>

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:01 pm

In post 2782, Dorsey wrote:#2777 just seems super dismissive

there's nothing else that powt deserves. i think it's very obvious why you're confscum to me but a50 isn't.

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:04 pm

can you look at the actual arguments that are being made?

pedit:

no, i can't
i'm going to bed

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:05 pm

which part of "whoever is voting ME in lylo is confscum to me while whoever is voting SOMEONE ELSE in lylo isn't" is difficult to understand

Datisi · Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:05 pm

yeah no i'm gone, goodnight

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:41 am

gera, serious question, can you not talk about the posting style (because while i can claim that me being annoyed is town!indicative, i know most people aren't a fan of self-meta), and can you look at the actual arguments being made? dorsey's only attempts are catching me in shitty nai gotchas and contradictions.

In post 2786, Dorsey wrote:It would make more sense if you thought I was scummier than A50 ahead of time, but you're not positing that.

In post 2787, Dorsey wrote:Because that would be my leading point. "Both are voting, but I thought A was scummier than B, so I'm voting A"

In post 2791, Dorsey wrote:It's like you didn't care to address any of that

and this comes after i've said for the god knows which time that the person voting *me* is confscum to me while the person voting *someone else* isn't (not to mention that throughout the game i very clearly said i thought dorsey was scummier than a50 but who cares about actual progressions, right)

In post 2795, Looker wrote:Also, I'll be voting before three business days whether it's game etiquette or not. The cat's pretty much out of the bag now.

cool, do you have any *actual* thoughts on the crossvote?

In post 2803, T3 wrote:like I think Dorsey comes off as slightly towny from this exchange, as does Datisi, but wow, Dorsey's arguments are bad

no shit they're bad

same question as for looker

In post 2806, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2690, Datisi wrote:salsa, what the fuck was that turnaround from townreading me to voting me to voting wiki, you're explaining that today

I've a tendency to read 1v1 as TvT, so I wanted to
think
out of the box and voted you after seeing
Three
's flip.

When
Dwlee
said in 4 scums scenario trading for 1 scum for 1 TPR is not an impossible tactic which dismiss my
why scum let
Wiki
to play like this
thought process + I forgot about
Dwlee
needed time , so I voted him.

this still doesn't explain it. on d1, you called me town for meta reasons and for the ways i was solving and whatever. that's independent from three's alignment.

also same question as for looker and t3, why are you ignoring the 1v1?

i'm gonna straight up assume salsa and t3 aren't both town because obviously this playerlist doen't give a shit about "hey, we shouldn't throw our votes around mindlessly, it's lylo", so here's hoping i guess

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:58 am

also, because i think there's a somewhat decent chance gera is town here, and because i really do not want to lose by him voting me for my wiki vote:

i am a town vanilla cop.

i scanned wiki on n1. i got a vanilla result.

i didn't really crumb my role, but i did semi-soft it in 2268 when i commented how i think it's likely scum will all be goons. i figured the town is gonna be filled with power roles and scum will be very weak (due to this being a 4v9) and that it would make sense for me to be able to find them.

i scanned wiki because he repeated god knows how many times that he is an important power role on d1. and since this isn't exactly a setup that can be won via setup specc (so i can't count on him resolving himself), and since i was guessing there's gonna be vanilla scum, i can figure out if he's lying. he turned up vanilla. i thought he's a mafia goon. i *tried* to not make it super obvious i have a guilty with "i can maybe see wiki being town" (since last game when i had a guilty on n1, i played it super obviously and scum figured me out pretty quickly), but i was running him up to claim. this is also why i was like "where did he claim vt" when enchant brought it up, i wondered if i missed something.

obviously, this is also why i was super pissed off at the start of today.

before you ask, no, i'm not claiming my n2 result yet. if we end up massclaiming today, it can catch someone in a lie. (less likely it will now that i've outed it, but still.) if we're not, it can give scum knowledge on who is or isn't a power role.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:02 am

In post 2823, Dorsey wrote:You're scum because you killed two townies, drove most town-targeting wagons, used hypocritical reasoning D1 and D3 to protect A50, and conveniently avoided any scrutiny (other than checkbox scrutiny) of your own despite it.

i was not the only person on those wagons, and i wasn't even the main person that got them killed. *and* you're not actually analyzing my play or arguments, you're just going "is scum bc was on wagon".

just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it true. you're pretending as if i said (1) whoever votes in lylo is scum and that (2) i find a50 scummier than you, so that i should be voting a50 and not you.

neither of those things are true.

whoever votes *me* in lylo is confscum *to me*, and i've found you far scummier than a50 throughout the whole game.

there was a wagon that almost killed me on d1, but yeah, sure got no pressure whatsoever this game.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:03 am

i never crumb investigatives, i only crumb results. and literally my mindset over the entire game is obviously coming from a power role. but please. keep spamming nonsense in the thread.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:03 am

In post 2830, Dorsey wrote:Edit: That was checkbox pressure

"checkbox pressure" almost got me killed on d1, sure. also glad you decide to refute only that part of my post.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:06 am

so you're not actually arguing why i'm wrong in saying you're blatantly lying about me, your rebuttal is that "scum can also have legit arguments". okay dorsey.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:08 am

In post 2828, Datisi wrote:
In post 2823, Dorsey wrote:You're scum because you killed two townies, drove most town-targeting wagons, used hypocritical reasoning D1 and D3 to protect A50, and conveniently avoided any scrutiny (other than checkbox scrutiny) of your own despite it.
i was not the only person on those wagons, and i wasn't even the main person that got them killed. *and* you're not actually analyzing my play or arguments, you're just going "is scum bc was on wagon".

just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it true. you're pretending as if i said (1) whoever votes in lylo is scum and that (2) i find a50 scummier than you, so that i should be voting a50 and not you.
neither of those things are true.
whoever votes *me* in lylo is confscum *to me*, and i've found you far scummier than a50 throughout the whole game.

there was a wagon that almost killed me on d1, but yeah, sure got no pressure whatsoever this game.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:10 am

it was clear my wagon was progressing towards a yeet if i hadn't gone in there and started defending myself.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:00 am

In post 2842, Dorsey wrote:2839 - Are you saying there are scummier people who were in your same boat? And it's not difficult to manufacture a BS argument in a game of majority unknowns - you just avoid bringing them up against partners, even if the circumstances are similar or even worse (A50). And I know your stance on lylo because I read it, but it's dismissive and I can't see any town motivation for such a dismissive and non-accountable stance.

2840 - Clear at what point? As in what post? Because how could you be yeeted when you have three people on your side preventing that? Especially with the vulnerable playstyles we've had?

wiki counterclaimed a jailkeeper and then retracted the counterclaim. salsa swapped votes around seemingly with no explanation. enchant hammered wiki after saying he thinks he's town and after dwlee explicitly asked for no hammers. i won't pretend all of those people are scum because wiki obviously flipped town but what he did was scummy as shit.

the circumstances are not similar or even worse for a50. you're once again repeating the same untrue thing. he was higher in my reads than you. and the stance of "you're voting me, so either you're scum or the game is already lost" isn't dismissive, it's literally how lylo works.

if anyone else asks, i'll go through day 1 to show this, but i really don't plan on wasting my time for you when i know you have to keep pretending to think i'm scum.

In post 2844, Dorsey wrote:You literally killed two townies and I killed none. You got three votes and my wagon went up to e-1 - clearly I'm the townie in this scenario.

lurking the whole game and not solving anything doesn't make you town. i was solving people. i had a guilty. you being on the sidelines for the whole game doesn't make you town.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:01 am

In post 2854, Dorsey wrote:But another thing: Why would you as scum, knowing he's telling the truth, sacrifice your image for that elim when it was going through anyway and you could just NK?

this is fucking laughable considering you just called yourself town in 2844 for not being on wagons

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:03 am

salsa, i'm not up to date with the whole thread yet, but if you think dorsey is scum, you *really* shouldn't be voting t3 considering he's voting her. you do get that, right?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:04 am

or them*, sorry idk which you prefer dorsey

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:06 am

In post 2866, Dorsey wrote:Lol, says "You're scum because you're not dying" as he's actively trying to kill me. It's Salem again. Put witches in a river with a stone on their chest: if they float or survive, they're witches - if they die, they're not a witch

you do understand how lylo works, right?? you *do* know that if someone isn't quickhammered, they're confscum to whoever is voting them, right?? surely?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:09 am

In post 2870, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2822, Datisi wrote:
In post 2806, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2690, Datisi wrote:salsa, what the fuck was that turnaround from townreading me to voting me to voting wiki, you're explaining that today

I've a tendency to read 1v1 as TvT, so I wanted to
think
out of the box and voted you after seeing
Three
's flip.

When
Dwlee
said in 4 scums scenario trading for 1 scum for 1 TPR is not an impossible tactic which dismiss my
why scum let
Wiki
to play like this
thought process + I forgot about
Dwlee
needed time , so I voted him.
this still doesn't explain it. on d1, you called me town for meta reasons and for the ways i was solving and whatever. that's independent from three's alignment.

Every fucking time!

Breath Faria

When I used the term
out of the box
, what do you think I meant?

i have no clue. that is why i am asking you.

if i were forced to guess, i'd say it was you saying you're trying to have a new perspective on fights you used to read tvt. if that is what you meant, that still doesn't explain why you suddenly thought i was scum despite the early townread. if that's not it, then i still have no clue what you meant.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:10 am

In post 2874, Enchant wrote:
In post 2862, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2859, Enchant wrote:
In post 2850, Almost50 wrote:Hey, SCUM of SCUM.. CHECK THIS OUT:

In post 2352, Almost50 wrote:IF this mislim goes through I'm staying idle tonight.
That was me on day one about a
claimed Jailer
whom I was defending and refused to vote. ANYONE with have a brain knows by heart I'm TOWN by now, and the fact I'm on you and EVERYONE had already checked and you're still not hammered
confirms you
as SCUM.
No.
Oh, shut up. Just stay in your lamp till you're summoned, if you will.
Scum claim, because if town he needed my townvote to elim scum (otherwise parity)

Almost50 scum confirmed, any questions?

how the fuck is this tmi? what, is he tmi-ing you as scum?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:11 am

enchant, do you have any actual throughts on me/datisi, or are you just gonna troll and hope a townie votes me?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:11 am

me/dorsey*, not me/datisi lmfao

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:16 am

In post 2896, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2884, Datisi wrote:salsa, i'm not up to date with the whole thread yet, but if you think dorsey is scum, you *really* shouldn't be voting t3 considering he's voting her. you do get that, right?

They are at E-2, I don’t want to put anyone again at E-1

that's not what i'm saying. if you're voting t3 and calling dorsey scum, you're saying you either think t3 is currently bussing dorsey (which is maybe not impossible considering i know he once bussed in lylo, but it's still decently unlikely) or that your dorsey scumread is bs and that you think i'm scum.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:18 am

In post 2895, Enchant wrote:
In post 2893, Datisi wrote:enchant, do you have any actual throughts on me/datisi, or are you just gonna troll and hope a townie votes me?
Give me reason to think you are town if you tried make me shapegoat and Almost instantly jumped to your protection screaming "I am so town it means Datsey is scum" reasoning?

sorry, i genuinely understand nothing here after "give me a reason to think you are town". can you rephrase that?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:21 am

In post 2897, Dorsey wrote:2880 - I was referring to your D1 protection of A50. And which ones of your "guilty's" were actually guilty?

sure, you're free to point out what about my d1 protection of a50 is scummy, or "contradictory". and how the hell was i supposed to know he's an egomaniac who would fakeclaim pr as vt?

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:23 am

In post 2904, Enchant wrote:
In post 2902, Datisi wrote:
In post 2895, Enchant wrote:
In post 2893, Datisi wrote:enchant, do you have any actual throughts on me/datisi, or are you just gonna troll and hope a townie votes me?
Give me reason to think you are town if you tried make me shapegoat and Almost instantly jumped to your protection screaming "I am so town it means Datsey is scum" reasoning?
sorry, i genuinely understand nothing here after "give me a reason to think you are town". can you rephrase that?
After Dorsey voted you, Almost50 just voted in responce and called Dorsey scum because he is (Almost50) is town. Even i not so careless.

that wasn't his reasoning? he voted dorsey because they quickvoted me.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:25 am

In post 2901, Salsabil Faria wrote:Yes, it was *new perspective* but mainly it was this thought: if scum!you scenario can solve the game fmpov.

okay, but i still don't understand ho voting me helped you with that or if you actually got any reads from that or anything.

also, i'll make it a bit more clear:

if you think dorsey is scum, unless you think t3 and dorsey are bussing (which is a lol), you *really* should unvote t3

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:34 am

salsa, there's this fun sentence people usually say in this situation

it's "why don't you help him bus?"

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:35 am

because guess what, you're really looking like a dorsey partner right now when you're saying "yeah, dorsey is scum... but i really wanna kill t3 first

"

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:48 am

it's lylo, now is not the time to be feeling bad for not voting anyone.

i can't think of anything that would immediately make that team impossible, but i have zero faith in being able to correctly solve 4 scum in a 9p lylo all at once. i can try to find people who i think are likely partners to dorsey later (gotta go pretend to be doing things now), but my first priority today is getting them voted out.

Datisi · Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:52 pm

that being akin to game throwing doesn't mean that scum doesn't actually do it. bussing happens often, and bussing in lylo isn't an exception. whether it's the *smart* thing to do is a different matter.

personally i wouldn't be surprised if (assuming we manage to flip dorsey) there's at least one scum on their wagon, considering i doubt the other three scum are gonna come in and hard-push me. other than the fact that i am not in fact getting hard-pushed by three other people, if they fail to yeet me today, their whole team would be outed. and i doubt scum is gonna go on all or nothing already.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:23 am

salsa, do you have any actual thoughts or are you just throwing out teams with no actual reasoning whatsoever?

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:32 am

In post 2941, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2939, Datisi wrote:salsa, do you have any actual thoughts or are you just throwing out teams with no actual reasoning whatsoever?

That's the way I play

2937 is laughably bad. dorsey says to look at their interaction with the nightkills. what interaction? they've been sitting in the sidelines for literally the whole game up until lylo. ok, and my and t3's interactions? andre came around to townreading both of us before he died, and i know dwlee was townreading me pretty consistently throughout the game (and wa defending t3 on d1, not sure about d2, too lazy to go check). what is that supposed to prove? that t3 and i are idiots who were killing people that townread us? it's nonsense.

but you're not actually thinking about any of this, you're just going "wah, what if i'm actually wrong on dorsey" when you were consistently saying they're scum and consistently avoiding voting for them. and curiously, so far voted two people that are voting dorsey.

dorsey, salsa, 2 more.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:44 am

how the hell did you manage to get a solve that involves dorsey, and then vote literally everyone except for dorsey, who is the onlx possible yeet out of your solve today. that's great.

pedit: no, i want you to stop voting around randomly if you're town because it's *really* making me think you're scum panicking because your pal dorsey is going to die

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:53 am

okay, so the reason you're doing everything in your power to get dorsey to not die today, despite apparently thinking they're scum, is...?

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:11 am

yes, there will be another elo. and another one. and another one. that is how elo works. we don't have room to fuck up anymore.

In post 2955, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2953, Datisi wrote:okay, so the reason you're doing everything in your power to get dorsey to not die today, despite apparently thinking they're scum, is...?

WHEN DID I SAY I'LL NOT VOTE
DORSEY
AGAIN??

Dorsey
flips scum, who are the partners?

you didn't *say* it (though arguably you saying how you don't want a y-1 is basically that), but with you voting *literally anyone other than dorsey*, it doesn't really seem like you actually mean what you're saying.
you, probably enchant for his literally no solving other than to go "either dorsey is pocketing me or they're town. datisi, why are you town if [something completely unrelated and untrue]. gera is a potential fourth for the lowkey tmi defence of wiki, or looker for his arguments against me throughout the game, not sure.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:29 am

don't call me sweetheart.

i'm not saying i want a y-1. i didn't say it anywhere. what i am saying is that you constantly repeating how you definitely think dorsey is scumy but only don't want to vote them so there's on y-1, while also voting almost anyone else in the game, looks suspicious as fuck.

i won't complain if the day ends quickly, though, because it's very likely i eat shit tonight. and i hate endgames. i hate being town in endgames. i want out of this game. but i'm not rushing anyone.

it's not that scum won't bus in yelo, it's that my top suspects currently aren't voting dorsey. you + enchant have been scummy as fuck since eod2, and you both happen to not be voting dorsey.

there is a non-zero chance scum is bussing, sure. maybe even a decent one. but i also wouldn't put it past wifoming scum to purposefully decide to not bus so they can tomorrow go how they definitely would've bussed when they saw how bad dorsey looked.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:48 am

if someone asks me to not call them something, i'm not gonna be an asshole and keep doing it.

you're saying you want to vote dorsey and that you think they're scum, but you're also voting literally anyone other than them. i'm not misrepping you, i'm calling it out like i see it. and i see it as a dorsey partner not knowing whether to bus or not.

maybe scum =/= definitely scum. and again, it looks like you're avoiding the 1v1 and trying to create a new, potentially winnable one. and if you're town, you're potentially opening the door for a scum quickhammer instead of getting the one scum today and then uing the info from flips and night actions to solve further. that's how lylo works.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:57 am

i read that post. i'm not saying you have to vote them right away, i'm saying that by voting other people, you're trying to pull away from them, holy shit

like i didn't say "vote them", i said "don't vote others". there is a difference between the two

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:15 am

there's enough other people scummier than him. but i recall him giving me some townie pings mid-to-late day 1 (though i should maybe revisit that at some point with wiki flipping green), and i'm not sure scum!him (who's currently bussing) yells this much at you for voting other people, i think what you're doing right now is in scum's interest one way or the other and he'd just *let you* do it. unless that's some sorta galaxy brain scum theatre between you two, but i kind of doubt it, because it feels pretty unnecessary.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:44 pm

lmfao, i knew you two were gonna decide againt bussing after all, but i didn't think your reasons for it would be this bad

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:47 pm

In post 2981, Salsabil Faria wrote:If Dorsey really is scum and already voting town!Datisi, where the hell are the rest of the scums doing? They can easily come and quick votes and win but this is not happening!

do i have to explain why this is nonsense? if dorsey is scum voting me, the rest of the scum *cannot* come and quick vote and win, they need a town-on-town vote for that.

In post 2982, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2966, Datisi wrote:i won't complain if the day ends quickly, though, because it's very likely i eat shit tonight. and i hate endgames. i hate being town in endgames. i want out of this game. but i'm not rushing anyone.

Didn't mention earlier but town!
Datisi
won't say this imo.

if anyone is actually convinced by this argument, i can pull up towngames where i say the exact same thing. me hating lylos goes back years.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:53 pm

fucking lol at massclaim being a trap. it's fucking lylo. that's what happens in lylo. you massclaim.

yeah, vanilla cop is hella convenient. which is why i softed it on day 1 and then obviously played day 2 like i had a guilty since i was tunnelled on doing nothing but getting wiki to claim. yep, very convenient, i totally made it up this morning.

In post 2988, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 2682, Datisi wrote:so, salsa just put wiki on y-1 without explanation, but it's fine, i don't need to unvote, right? not like anyone is gonna hammer right after dwlee said they don't want a hammer yet, right??? (:

won't pretend i'm gonna be crying over wiki yeet but come on

Meantime,
Enchant
already hammered
Wiki
but
Datisi

couldn't see the vote
for *some reason* but were *explaining* why seeing
Wiki
at E-1 didn't change his mind to unvote

In post 2689, Datisi wrote:holy shit i am fucking pissed off at this game

His 1st post of D3

what is your point here? i didn't think anyone would actually quickhammer wiki right after dwlee said they want more time to solve. i sure as fuck wasn't unvoting a guilty.

and yes, that was my first post on d3, considering wiki *fakeclaimed* and it made me think he's scum

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:55 pm

also friendly reminder that enchant didn't try to solve jack shit today. their p much only post that was "solving" was asking me why i'm town, then connecting the question with a50, but connecting it completely incorrectly. then not even acknowledging the fact what they said was wrong.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:56 pm

also both enchant and salsa voted wiki one after the other when he was on y-2, after they both expressed a townread on him. town doesn't do that.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:04 pm

prove me wrong then. quote where you actually tried to analyze anything about me or dorsey, or where you acknowledged that what you said there was wrong.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:04 pm

this is a comedy

enchant, dorsey had already been asked to unvote by the time a50 appeared. why do you think it would make more sense for town!a50 to ask them to unvote again?

and if you actually think that, why did you unvote me?

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:08 pm

In post 3009, geraintm wrote:i aint hammered too, so i think that pushes me and enchant into Town pile. i am not sure how either of us could be scum in this situation

In post 3010, geraintm wrote:unless of course Dorsey is scum and we are both scum and dont want to hammer our partner

if dorsey were town, then yeah, both of you are cleared.

the thing is they're not town. which doesn't actually tell us anything about your alignments, since town probably doesn't quickhammer with no warning, and scum probably doesn't quickhammer their partner here.

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:09 pm

In post 3016, Enchant wrote:Just in case.

just in case *what*?

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:19 pm

cool, and what is it since your unvote that has made you doubt that even more?

Datisi · Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:38 pm

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:02 am

fuck if i know

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:15 am

it sounds like it's over, as i'm not sure town!looker does *this*, but you might as well.

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:49 am

In post 3050, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2943, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 7, Iconeum wrote:
In post 4, Datisi wrote:i truly cannot believe iconeum rolled scum against me once more, that is heartbreaking

VOTE: iconeum

@mod
(and everyone else), i'm vla every tuesday and thursday bc uni schedule is hell those days
so we finally roll scum together, and ur already bussing me? nice

VOTE: datisi

you should've seen my face when i read that post

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:01 am

Subject: Mini Normal 2246 Dead PT

Three wrote:Salsa and Enchant: "Datisi is proven scum"

Datisi: "no"

Salsa and Enchant: "good point, bye Dorsey"

holy shit this made me laugh out loud

pedit: lel

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 am

oh and three, about what you said in the game. i was scum so obviously a lot of my arguments were exaggerated for exaggeration sake, but i do partly believe in what i was pushing, that is that a lot of your posts were confusing and could've easily been taken as bad faith. i can't tell for sure what i would've as town, but it's possible i would've done the same thing. so with that said, if you want to avoid me going forward, i'll respect that.

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:15 am

frankly i think this game plays VERY differently if wiki doesn't cc three. either i die on d1, which fucking lol, or wiki dies, and then tomorrow either three or andres are alive, both of which are huge problems to the scumteam. not to mention that wiki dying early would've helped the thread breathe and actually promote a solving atmosphere, this way y'all were getting suffocated and a lot of the times we had to do nothing but sit back.

tldr this game was 5v8

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:16 am

hah, both traitors thought a50 was the other traitor, ahaha

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:55 am

@mod

, i don't need any redactions in the scum pt.

could you please also ask in the review thread to have it released? this setup feels... fairly scumsided with 4 town power roles and 4 scum, i wanna see the thoughts behind it.

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:17 am

all i'm saying, there's a reason why there was so little discussion about who we're gonna kill night 1. andres, stop rolling town against me >_>

as much as i'd like to say for myself that i would've figured out wiki was town here if i was town, i know i most likely wouldn't.

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:22 am

please stop making comments like that.

Datisi · Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:25 am

yep, i should have been. too bad the only person who would've known and be able to push that through mysteriously died.