Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[RH9]

Totally legit and not fake that pooky thinks I'm scum pushing his wagon when uhh ~48 hours ago he thought I was jester

Maybe, you got the heads mixed up.

[RH9]

Totally legit and not fake that pooky thinks I'm scum pushing his wagon when uhh ~48 hours ago he thought I was jester

Maybe, you got the heads mixed up.

Like maybe one head thinks you are jester but the other thinks that you are scum.

[RH9]

Another one is via site-wide ban
Won't say more because it's not really game related other than the new face

Oh.

[RH9]

Thanks for informing everybody. Personally, I was not aware beforehand.

[RH9]

Another one is via site-wide ban
Won't say more because it's not really game related other than the new face

@Kerset

[RH9]

@Kerset Also, please do another VC because I'm too lazy to imagine one in my head

[RH9]

Not_Mafia
RH9
marcistar
kunchi
Blood Puppets (Galron & Taly)
MegAzumarill
Toogeloo

Here's my scum pool

Has this list changed at all for you Dwlee?

Blood puppets leave

M&M in

I haven't paid attention to anything else tbh

Maybe I missed it but I couldn’t finf kunchi anywhere on the playerlist.

kunchi got replaced by ahhlo, pregame.

[RH9]

So if you didn't, check the OP.

[RH9]

Not_Mafia
RH9
marcistar
kunchi
Blood Puppets (Galron & Taly)
MegAzumarill
Toogeloo

Here's my scum pool

Has this list changed at all for you Dwlee?

Blood puppets leave

M&M in

I haven't paid attention to anything else tbh

Maybe I missed it but I couldn’t finf kunchi anywhere on the playerlist.

kunchi got replaced by ahhlo, pregame.

Oh, is there anything game relevant I need to know without reading anything before I repped in?

Not really, but Pooky forgot his password.

[RH9]

And Three wasn't a fan of that.

[RH9]

smh, letting a liar, and someone who attempted to bait out the IC counter claim, walk free.

You are talking about M&M?

[RH9]

They said that it was a joke. I know a friend of a friend in real life who jokes a lot and my friend treats him like a innocent angel.
So if you see M&M around, imagine a halo around them. Then, things will be fine. Also, you can just imagine everything they say, which doesn't feel right, to be a joke, if you want. It's a lot easier. I'm currently doing that.

[RH9]

Yes, I can currently imagining a halo around M&M.

[RH9]

OK, I'll stop talking so much about M&M.

[RH9]

About Jester.

Killing him at night have very harsh punishment.
If you didn't read setup, mafia loses Nightkill.

I would suggest to everyone act jestery, no-lim and wait before jester are shot, but you won't agree, so let's kill... Uhhh. Emm.

Someone?

OK. Reasonable suggestion.

[RH9]

About Jester.

Killing him at night have very harsh punishment.
If you didn't read setup, mafia loses Nightkill.

I would suggest to everyone act jestery, no-lim and wait before jester are shot, but you won't agree, so let's kill... Uhhh. Emm.

Someone?

OK. Reasonable suggestion.

So you want a random elimination?

[RH9]

VOTE: marci

sure

Why the sheep?

[RH9]

Why is everybody sheeping?

[RH9]

Literally everyone who gets run up is just going to Jester tell.

Sad.

[RH9]

Literally everyone who gets run up is just going to Jester tell.

Sad.

Seems like scumhunting will be harder.

[RH9]

What benefit mafia have from wagoning townie and then trying to wagon someone else though.

What do you mean by this?

Pooky tried kill Marci but then "Oh no let's kill Andante" which no one followed lol.

Link me the posts, please. I must have missed them.

[RH9]

What benefit mafia have from wagoning townie and then trying to wagon someone else though.

What do you mean by this?

Pooky tried kill Marci but then "Oh no let's kill Andante" which no one followed lol.

Link me the posts, please. I must have missed them.

Actually, I remember them.

[RH9]

Why would I fearkill them?

[RH9]

I'm not the only person who knows Taly and Galron.

[RH9]

I was asleep.

[RH9]

I can't vote while asleep.

[RH9]

Retracting my statements today about rh9 because I have 0 ability to tell people apart
(Still think the nka thing is weak though)

VOTE: Rh9
Upon reviewing their ISO there were a few red flags.

1. Their "reaction test" needs explaining because unexplained in hindsight it looks bad. Would like to hear what they were actually looking for.

I wanted to see if scum would try to shade me.

2. They dismiss three case on M+ M because they say it's based on the time pooky forgot their password which is a misrep.

Was an accident.

[RH9]

Also who do you think is the most likely scum + why

I think that scum is somebody who knows Galron and Taly. I also think that scum voted marcistar. This points towards Andante and HQ.

[RH9]

Why did you think scum would try to shade you for it?

Because they want to get somebody eliminated.

[RH9]

let's reaction test rh9 by voting him to death and seeing if the mod will give us a nice red body

Please don't.

[RH9]

Also who do you think is the most likely scum + why

I think that scum is somebody who knows Galron and Taly. I also think that scum voted marcistar. This points towards Andante and HQ.

How? BP tr me. I really don’t like you shading me here. I wasn’t even pushing you but now you’re on my radar.

Well, I guess maybe you misused the TR. It's simple. Even newb!scum knows that trick.

[RH9]

Why did you think scum would try to shade you for it?

Because they want to get somebody eliminated.

NKA is always weak because there are many possible reasons for scum to do something.

I plan to do an analysis of BP interactions but I'm lazy

Ok, why do you lean scum on RH9 then?

Covered this yesterday but main point is I heavily dislike their attitude toward M+M wagon

What posts in particular bothered you?

Does this look like a push to you RH9?

Meg are you going to answer this?

No. It doesn't but scum isn't required to push me.

[RH9]

Also who do you think is the most likely scum + why

I think that scum is somebody who knows Galron and Taly. I also think that scum voted marcistar. This points towards Andante and HQ.

How? BP tr me. I really don’t like you shading me here. I wasn’t even pushing you but now you’re on my radar.

Well, I guess maybe you misused the TR. It's simple. Even newb!scum knows that trick.

I did what?

You could have. I don't know if you did but you could have.

[RH9]

It is likely, though. It might not be true and Andante might be scum, and I am wrongly accusing you.

[RH9]

Why did you think scum would try to shade you for it?

Because they want to get somebody eliminated.

NKA is always weak because there are many possible reasons for scum to do something.

I plan to do an analysis of BP interactions but I'm lazy

Ok, why do you lean scum on RH9 then?

Covered this yesterday but main point is I heavily dislike their attitude toward M+M wagon

What posts in particular bothered you?

Does this look like a push to you RH9?

Meg are you going to answer this?

No. It doesn't but scum isn't required to push me.

So you’re ignoring my play and the setup and your argument is that I’m scum because I know Taly, is that right?

Not really. Now that I think about it, maybe M&M is scum because they were SRed by Taly and Pooky should know how good Taly is as Town.

[RH9]

Actually, M&M makes perfect sense as scum.

[RH9]

Why did you think scum would try to shade you for it?

Because they want to get somebody eliminated.

NKA is always weak because there are many possible reasons for scum to do something.

I plan to do an analysis of BP interactions but I'm lazy

Ok, why do you lean scum on RH9 then?

Covered this yesterday but main point is I heavily dislike their attitude toward M+M wagon

What posts in particular bothered you?

Does this look like a push to you RH9?

Meg are you going to answer this?

No. It doesn't but scum isn't required to push me.

So you’re ignoring my play and the setup and your argument is that I’m scum because I know Taly, is that right?

Not really. Now that I think about it, maybe M&M is scum because they were SRed by Taly and Pooky should know how good Taly is as Town.

Why does scum!M & M switch last minute to Andante then?

IDK. Because it seems less suspicious.

[RH9]

Maybe you all got set up by the scum?

[RH9]

Maybe you all got set up by the scum?

Well that’s a possibility but why does scum!M & M suddenly switch to Andante? If Marci had flipped scum, then they’d probably be guilty by associations but she didn’t, so why does scum!M & M do that?

Now, that I've had a shower and am thinking again, I was probably wrong about M&M unless they are super clever scum who switched deliberately to make us question if scum!M&M would do that or not.

[RH9]

Well you see.

first you get RH9 to E-1

then someone hammers them.

and then there will be a reaction

which is the mod coming in and telling us they are ____

and that reaction will tell us if they are bad or not

it's foolproof

just vote RH9

for great justice

Well, when I flip Town, you'll look bad for your 'reaction test'. Then, some person will eliminate you for it.

[RH9]

Cause pooky is evil here

More likely annoying than evil.

[RH9]

I'm pretty sure that evil!Pooky is NAI, then.

[RH9]

I'm fine with waiting until 4 town remaining and flash limming everyone who tried to Jester tell but didn't get stumped.

Good plan.

[RH9]

Does the 4 town exclude or include yourself?

[RH9]

By the way, retract my opinion on Pooky.

[RH9]

Pooky can be a bit annoying to interact with at times but I don't think that he intentionally tried to be annoying.

[RH9]

Who the hell is Enchnat?

You know that Kerset means you.

[RH9]

Who the hell is Enchnat?

You know that Kerset means you.

It's not that hard to get the letters written the wrong way.

[RH9]

Vote Count 2.02

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

RH9 (3): Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (1): Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (0):
Toogeloo (0):
Andante (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Enchnat (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(8): RH9, Harley Quinn, MegAzumarill, Enchant, numberQ, Toogeloo, Voyc, Not_Mafia,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-05 19:00:00)

It seems to me like me, RH9, Three, Meg, M & M, Andante, Dwelee and Enchnat are the only ones posting today.

I guess that the others are still on holidays or they are busy IRL.

[RH9]

Also, HQ, you misspelt Dwlee. Their name has 2 'e's.

[RH9]

numberQ, why do you hate M&M's 1648?

[RH9]

Hate is a strong word.

[RH9]

@Kerset N_M came back and you might not need to replace him anymore.

[RH9]

@Kerset Ignore my 1699.

[RH9]

Voyc is being prodded. Not_Mafia is being replaced.

Firebringer replaces Toogeloo.

Fire replaced toog, not nm.

This game is going to be all replacements soon, bank.

VOTE: RH9

He sounds tonnally different here from pair.

Yeah. I guess that New Year celebrations have messed up things.

[RH9]

HQ, by your logic, I should be voting numberQ

[RH9]

HQ, by your logic, I should be voting numberQ

Because he isn't like the way that he was in Open 835.

[RH9]

However, in Open 835, New Years celebrations weren't happening so of course things are different.

[RH9]

RH9, you aren’t voting Q or anyone.

Saying by my logc, you should be voting Q, then I look at the VC and see you not voting anyone, really doesn’t tell me much.

What are your reads?

I think that I am getting miseliminated. Hopefully not by Town.

[RH9]

HQ, by your logic, I should be voting numberQ

HQ, by your logic, I should be voting numberQ

Because he isn't like the way that he was in Open 835.

I wasn’t in that game, so I don’t understand your point here? Link/quote some stuff from that game for me?

Please dither. I've strongly TRed A50 for a large portion of the game. Why is he the last scum?

The simple answer is that the way he acted towards the end of D4 makes no sense coming from town. I thought he was practically openwolfing. Plus I don't really see anyone else as scum here.

Are you talking about what I said at day start, where A50 put a narrative in your mouth? Saying that makes

no sense

as town is a bit of a stretch. I could see it coming from either side, it's more indicative of confidence than alignment imo. Confident scum, or confident town. If I'm off base and there's something else to his end of D4 play that pinged you let me know.

But overall this really just strikes me as scum faced with 4 players who are TRed to various extents and trying to build a flimsy case on one of them. Maybe RH9 is the more obvious mislim target since there was a decent amount of contention around his slot for a bit, but I don't think it's ridiculous that scum!Egix chooses A50 to attack over RH9.

VOTE: Egix

E-1 I believe?

Why does scum!A50 NK bloodhail?

I was going to wait to get prodded to make a point of letting everyone else talk, but now I think that would just be rude and pointless.

VOTE: NumberQ

Let's just sheep Kyo and hope she's right.

You mean sheep the person that had switched their vote to Egix and was starting to lose their tunnel vision on me? But okay, let's assume you didn't realize she was no longer voting me. Why sheep her specifically?

N_M: No clue what you're doing. I guess I expected nothing but hammers from you based on reputation. Does this mean you think I'm scum?

RH9: sheeping Roden for some reason. I don't really know why you're trying to reaction fish from me specifically when there were two other wagons with the same number of votes or more at the time of your vote.

Galron's vote being a reaction fish makes slightly more sense than RH9's, because it puts me at E-1. Though I have to wonder why I'm worthy of that but Egix wasn't, who had been at E-2 for several pages.

I dunno, this wagon is weird. It doesn't feel like a real wagon. Literally the only person this entire game who's made a case against me is ssbm, and she's not even voting me.

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Your wagon stalled, so now they're pushing another mislim on me. Tell me it looks like anything else. It almost seems too obvious though, like if it is both of them and their buddy is Egix, would the counter push really be so blatant? That gives me some pause about my theory.

It is worth pointing out that scum have daytalk according to the setup rules, so this level of coordination is expected.

See he was super questioning there but here he hasn't even talked about why Blood Puppets got NKed. See completely different.

[RH9]

@RH9:

Why aren't you voting Q?

+1

Yes, I guess that’s concerning me too. He says Q’s playing differently here but he’s not voting him or anyone, so it makes me wonder.

Because I don't go around voting people for acting 'different'.

[RH9]

numberQdifferent ≠ scum

[RH9]

numberQ acting differently to the last time that I saw him as Town ≠ scum!numberQ

EBWOP

[RH9]

It is in my opinion, that voting numberQ will not cause much help to the game unless he is put near a potential elimination. I remember that it is usually when he is in danger of being hammered, that he responds to the push. At least in my experience from Open 835.

[RH9]

@RH9:

Why aren't you voting Q?

+1

Yes, I guess that’s concerning me too. He says Q’s playing differently here but he’s not voting him or anyone, so it makes me wonder.

Because I don't go around voting people for acting 'different'.

numberQdifferent ≠ scum

Then why did you bring it up?

I brought it up so that HQ could notice the flaws in her logic that acting different to a previous towngame is a valid reason to vote somebody off.

[RH9]

Voyc does seem quite behind and be sheeping popular wagons for not much reason. I don't know if it's because she's actually too busy to read the game or if there's another reason. I have to admit that 4 posts is unusually less.

[RH9]

@RH9:

Why aren't you voting Q?

+1

Yes, I guess that’s concerning me too. He says Q’s playing differently here but he’s not voting him or anyone, so it makes me wonder.

Because I don't go around voting people for acting 'different'.

numberQdifferent ≠ scum

Then why did you bring it up?

I brought it up so that HQ could notice the flaws in her logic that acting different to a previous towngame is a valid reason to vote somebody off.

I’m not even voting him and it’s your logic that’s flawed here, unless your argument is it could also be nia? But I caught scum!Dwlee right out of the game in Pokemon at least partially based on that, so don’t tell me my logic is bad here.

Yes. It could be NAI.

[RH9]

People don't have to always act the same.

[RH9]

I'm still wondering who voyc is

i am me! just me

@RH9

, taking the entire game so far into consideration, can you consolidate your reads for me? and on another note, why don't you vote? genuinely curious

I am still waiting for to see if the inactive players are genuinely inactive or they are lurking. For example, I think that you were genuinely inactive because you so far don't seem to have lurked. I am waiting for numberQ to return because if he's lurking, I might consider voting him.

[RH9]

Otherwise, I'm just going to assume that the inactive players who haven't explained their inactivity are lurking.

[RH9]

Am I lurking?

No. You seem active.

[RH9]

@Kerset numberQ might need to be prodded.

[RH9]

what am I supposed to do? I can't read the people not talking

Well, that's pretty much only numberQ, right now.

[RH9]

People don't have to always act the same.

No but that definitely isn’t clearing either and can often be a reliable scumtell. Bell for example, would be a great example of this. His town and scumplay is like night and day.

I can only tell the difference between town!Galron and scum!Galron due to previous experience of playing with him in Mini 2250 and Open 835.

[RH9]

I am still waiting for to see if the inactive players are genuinely inactive or they are lurking. For example, I think that you were genuinely inactive because you so far don't seem to have lurked. I am waiting for numberQ to return because if he's lurking, I might consider voting him.

so, this is why you're not voting, what about your reads? Is Q scummy or would you just vote him for lurking? townreads?

I would just vote him for lurking considering that he seemed fine on Day 1.

[RH9]

I don't know why outing my townreads will help considering that the rest mostly contain nullreads and I need to try to keep constant reads. I actually would like to not out my reads yet until I feel more confident in them.

[RH9]

Andante is being replaced

5 now, is Q the sixth?

I don't think that he is yet.

[RH9]

@Kerset VC please

[RH9]

numberQ, what do you think of the current gamestate?

[RH9]

Do you think that it is likely to result in a no lim?

[RH9]

Yes! Let's kill Lurkers!

... HOLD ON HOLD NONnn

Then, which lurker are we eliminating?

[RH9]

Is there's someone else lurking expect for me? I didn't notice really.

I don't think so.

[RH9]

Firebringer, what do you think of Three's idea to eliminate an active player instead of an inactive one?

[RH9]

I think that it is best to eliminate an inactive player over an active one.

[RH9]

Firebringer, what do you think of Three's idea to eliminate an active player instead of an inactive one?

im fine with yeeting inactive players if i have no scumreads. Yeeting an active player just out of preference seems silly to me. If u have two players and u have no read on either and one is active and other isn't. I am going for inactive player, it at least encourages players to post more.

Though this is just personal pref and has nothing to do with alignment so kind of curious why u ask.

Because Three seems hellbent on voting me over the inactive players.

[RH9]

Firebringer, what do you think of Three's idea to eliminate an active player instead of an inactive one?

im fine with yeeting inactive players if i have no scumreads. Yeeting an active player just out of preference seems silly to me. If u have two players and u have no read on either and one is active and other isn't. I am going for inactive player, it at least encourages players to post more.

Though this is just personal pref and has nothing to do with alignment so kind of curious why u ask.

Because Three seems hellbent on

eliminating

me over the inactive players.

EBWOP

[RH9]

Firebringer, what do you think of Three's idea to eliminate an active player instead of an inactive one?

RH9 is there any actual reason why you're choosing not to engage with me about my scum read on you?

Well, how do I interact with the person who will one day be proved wrong? I dislike how hellbent you are on eliminating me. You're even ignoring the alternatives.

[RH9]

Firebringer, should I wait for Three to get over his confbias before continuing to interact with him? I'm worried that he's viewing everything that I say as 'another post from the person who I want eliminated' instead 'another post by RH9'.

[RH9]

OK. Three. What posts in particular made you scumread me?

[RH9]

It's very disingenuous to act like I have some sort of confbias just because I'm pushing a scum read who's already a leading wagon.

Well, you said vibes. Vibes is the worst reason to push somebody without evidence like posts backing it up.

[RH9]

@RH9:

Why aren't you voting Q?

+1

Yes, I guess that’s concerning me too. He says Q’s playing differently here but he’s not voting him or anyone, so it makes me wonder.

Because I don't go around voting people for acting 'different'.

I recall you being very interested in meta in previous games. What is that if not voting people for acting different?

I changed my mind on meta, a while ago. Also, are you saying that I should be voting you?

[RH9]

did you really read that entire wall

Well, I did.

[RH9]

I can't gamesolve when nobody is interacting with me.
Other than that, I'll keep quiet.

Since when do you feel this is true RH9?

When nobody is talking to me but not when they are interacting with me to the point that I find unbearable.

[RH9]

I can't gamesolve when nobody is interacting with me.
Other than that, I'll keep quiet.

Since when do you feel this is true RH9?

When nobody is talking to me but not when they are interacting with me to the point that I find unbearable.

Okay why were u asking me to basically defend u against Three a few pages ago? Like go through ur mindset then because i don't see why u thought i was town to begin with at that moment.

Well, it's because regardless of alignment, it's better to have somebody to have trust in so that I feel like there is somebody who cares about me instead of wanting to tear me apart.

[RH9]

I can't gamesolve when nobody is interacting with me.
Other than that, I'll keep quiet.

Since when do you feel this is true RH9?

When nobody is talking to me but not when they are interacting with me to the point that I find unbearable.

Okay why were u asking me to basically defend u against Three a few pages ago? Like go through ur mindset then because i don't see why u thought i was town to begin with at that moment.

Well, it's because regardless of alignment, it's better to have somebody to have trust in so that I feel like there is somebody who cares about me instead of wanting to tear me apart.

What is this AtE lol

What did I say that could possibly make you think I was trying to tear you apart??

That was I genuinely felt, OK. I can be a bit of a drama queen so maybe you weren't exactly tearing me apart but I felt unable to talk to you without somebody else to support me.

[RH9]

Town
Andante, Dwlee, numberQ
Milk & Moocha

we should be TOP. period!

At least you aren't second from the bottom.

[RH9]

I usually find you to be analytical and calculating. Not so much a drama queen.

Because I

[RH9]

I usually find you to be analytical and calculating. Not so much a drama queen.

Because I usually don't get upset enough. When I'm calm, I'm analytical and calculating. When I feel like I'm under pressure, I start acting like a drama queen.

EBWOP

[RH9]

I'm fairly confiident RH9/NQ are townies but you can't win games without killing people.

But you’re voting for RH9?

No. They're voting Voyc now.

[RH9]

I'm fairly confiident RH9/NQ are townies but you can't win games without killing people.

But you’re voting for RH9?

No. They're voting Voyc now.

For being 'a traitor'. It's a weird reason in my honest opinion.

[RH9]

VOTE: Voyc

?

Predecessor looks bad and she doesn't look good either. Ive actually played with scum voyc long time ago and this basically copy and paste repeat of her iso from that game (i think she replaced into the slot too if i remember right)

Anyways, dont want to go heavy into it. I am more conf on this than anything else.

aw I thought you didn't remember me!
it's been a long time since, but I do do the @person, questions as either alignment, if that's what you're referring to, it's just how I like to interact w people!

I always get suspected playing as either town or scum so at this point I'm not particularly surprised at the votes

Cool. The @person thing makes it easier to see who you want to talk to.

[RH9]

@Kerset I'm fine with the paused deadline.

[RH9]

What did you find scummy about datisi?

You mean datsi?

[RH9]

@Kerset Isn't M&M voting Voyc?

[RH9]

I want to give more room for RH9 to solve here but i think his Ate could be excuse to prolong people on the fence. And giving space might not be what he needs, might need someone to actually help him sort himself out.

RH9 where u at with everyone in general

I feel lost. Maybe, I'll have Enchant as either Jester or Mafia trying to Jester-tell.
The problem is that there's too much replacements everywhere and I'm starting to lose it.
I'm wary of M&M for inconsistency. I can't decide which head is trying to do what.
numberQ voting me off the cuff after his return is not something I've seen town!him done before.

[RH9]

@kerset how much time will dl resume at

48h

So they have a replacement then, cool. Probably won’t be as much fun as Andante though. :/

Right now, Enchant is actually making me think that there's no way that he's Town.

[RH9]

Oops. I forgot about the multiquote.

[RH9]

Right now, Enchant is actually making me think that there's no way that he's Town.

EBWOP

[RH9]

It's some anime, doesn't worth it

That's mean. Not all anime is worthless.

[RH9]

Enchant may be a good vote if rh9 flips town today but I don't think an Enchant elim is wise today

Way to go!

[RH9]

Now I have 5 jester reads

But there is only one Jester which means 4 of those people are not Jester.

[RH9]

I have like 4 jester reads and something tells me none of them are jester

Cool.

[RH9]

Am I going to have to read the game

You can just ISO people like I do when I replace in.

[RH9]

Am I going to have to read the game

You can just ISO people like I do when I replace in.

I also do that when I'm trying to catch up in fast-paced games.

[RH9]

Could it just be Rh9 + Alyssa + other?

Seems like the most likely solve and I have some good associative either way with an rh flip. VOTE: Rh9

This post is horrific

I thought that 2255 was even more funnier than anything Enchant or M&M posted.

[RH9]

No offence intended.

[RH9]

His posts since I replaced in are one dimensional

Scum in these types of gamestates love to coast

Guess what type of play Three is exhibiting atm

I think I've done anything but coast this game, but ok. If you expect me to 100% effort 24/7 then you're going to be severely disappointed.

I gave my case and I'm just waiting for people to either finish RH9 off or come up with an alternative wagon I can get behind.

What made you pick me out specifically?

She said 'one-dimensional'. Not that you don't put effort. She means that she doesn't find you to be complex.

[RH9]

His posts since I replaced in are one dimensional

Scum in these types of gamestates love to coast

Guess what type of play Three is exhibiting atm

I think I've done anything but coast this game, but ok. If you expect me to 100% effort 24/7 then you're going to be severely disappointed.

I gave my case and I'm just waiting for people to either finish RH9 off or come up with an alternative wagon I can get behind.

What made you pick me out specifically?

She said 'one-dimensional'. Not that you don't put effort. She means that she doesn't find you to be complex.

At least, what I think she means.

[RH9]

RH9 and Alyssa are both town

What makes you think that?

Alyssa's first 6 posts upon thread entry and RH9's readslist are towntells

What? I didn't make a readslist.

[RH9]

I just made some comments in response to Firebringer.

[RH9]

Spoiler: My Readslist

What did Lilith and House ever do to you? And why do you want to kill your other head? And why are you surprised that S_S is still alive?

[RH9]

Spoiler: My Readslist

What did Lilith and House ever do to you? And why do you want to kill your other head? And why are you surprised that S_S is still alive?

Why are there people in the list who isn't in this game (yet)?

[RH9]

Perhaps you should analyze these things in your readslist RH9

Sure. I'm going to do something simpler this time and not make a table.

[RH9]

M&M, you're getting a 'Confusing me to pieces' verdict from me ahead of time.

[RH9]

Perhaps you should analyze these things in your readslist RH9

Sure. I'm going to do something simpler this time and not make a table.

Actually. I give up. I'll just post a vanilla readslist.

[RH9]

Confusing me to pieces: M&M
Trying to Jester-tell: Enchant
Quiet but seems all right: Voyc
IDK: Alyssa
Complex: Three
Seems to be trying his best: Firebringer
As usual: HQ
Suggests Pooky wagon: Dwlee
Nice: Andante
Don't take serously: RH9

[RH9]

Confusing me to pieces: M&M
Trying to Jester-tell: Enchant
Quiet but seems all right: Voyc
IDK: Alyssa
Complex: Three
Seems to be trying his best: Firebringer
As usual: HQ
Suggests Pooky wagon: Dwlee
Nice: Andante
Don't take seriously: RH9

EBWOP

[RH9]

What about me?

You're in the 'Most effortlessly hilarious' category, obviously.

[RH9]

idk I'm really not taking this game seriously atm

Me too. Even my joke reads show it.

[RH9]

true

I think it's because everybody is pretending to be Jester

kind of wild if you think about it

It is a Jester game.

[RH9]

don't think I'd even care if I got voted out

it's kinda wild how lethargic this thread is

everyone just comes out of the woodwork to shut down my push and then it goes back to being lethargic

it's like everyone's resigned to being robots this game or something

Make a better push.

Three, who do you think we should be pushing?

[RH9]

@Kerset VC again please.

[RH9]

it's like everyone's resigned to being robots this game or something

you feel the most robotic of everyone here

Alyssa definitely feels somewhat lifeless. Like she's bored or something.

[RH9]

idk I'm really not taking this game seriously atm

Me too. Even my joke reads show it.

It’s hard to when you have massive replace outs. Anyway, I think Alyssa could be scum but I currently have an emotional block rn, probably affecting that read.

Hope you get better.

[RH9]

HQ, do you think that 'lifeless' is a hurtful word?

[RH9]

I think that it was mean of me to say it because I might have hurt Alyssa's feelings.

[RH9]

but you can't get anyone else to see the game that's going on

so you're kind of just powerless as I kill your buddies one by one

You mean 'what's going on'?

[RH9]

Cause you

don't have a town role pm

and openly taunt me to facilitate your murder

How do you knows the bolded?

[RH9]

Cause you

don't have a town role pm

and openly taunt me to facilitate your murder

How do you know the bolded?

EBWOP

[RH9]

RH9 this is a private conversation

OK. I'll leave you two alone.

[RH9]

Did the game just freeze?

[RH9]

Did the game just freeze?

It feels like it did.

[RH9]

u cant be IC because dwlee is IC.

How do you know?

[RH9]

Oh, wait. It's a joke.

[RH9]

hello rh9! im voting you! tell me who you think i should vote instead!

IDK. Most seem to be either trying to Jester-tell or acting super relaxed. If you ask me, Three's the most serious.

[RH9]

hello rh9! im voting you! tell me who you think i should vote instead!

IDK. Most seem to be either trying to Jester-tell or acting super relaxed. If you ask me, Three's the most serious.

As in Three's treating the game, the most seriously, as opposed to a lot of the others.

[RH9]

Also Deadline is still frozen

nope, the deadline in count 2.08 is definitely counting down

strongly believe we should just pile on rh9 (sorry rh9, you know what deadlines are like)

No worries.

[RH9]

Also Deadline is still frozen

nope, the deadline in count 2.08 is definitely counting down

strongly believe we should just pile on rh9 (sorry rh9, you know what deadlines are like)

No worries.

If associatives from my flip can help the game's state, I'm fine.

[RH9]

our best-case scenario is scum shooting jester, but i dont really believe that that will actually happen lol. like, is the jester gonna be looking exceptionally townie or making convincing and cogent cases? and the alternative that enchant proposes, where we all jester-tell so scum's shooting a little blind -- we're flatly not going to catch scum if we adopt this strategy (idk, maybe this is a more controversial opinion than i think? i almost never play jester games). i think we're much better off being open in jester reads to avoid mountainous, than we are praying that scum shoot jester.

i dont get why rh9 isnt voting. very strange to recognize deadline urgency to the point where you say youre fine with being eliminated as town, but not cast at least a semi-arbitrary vote for that same reason.

UNVOTE: mocha
VOTE: rh9

i consider these two pretty interchangeable. ive covered why im not interested in eliminating alyssa right this moment.

Any ideas for who I should be voting?

[RH9]

my iso has more jester tells than all the other isos combined

Plot Twist: You're actually not Jester.

[RH9]

my iso has more jester tells than all the other isos combined

Plot Twist: You're actually not Jester.

this wouldn't even be a plot twist atp tbh

How about 'Plot Twist: You are actually the Jester'?

[RH9]

Anyways, who should I be voting?

[RH9]

Any ideas for who I should be voting?

unless you believe mocha's jester, probably mocha? like, idk lol, i get that you dont have any scumreads, but unless someone suddenly comes in with a clearly out-of-this-world case that can within ~40 hours convince a majority of the town, this is just a numbers' game, right? there are two wagons with demonstrable support on active players, and you probably dont want to self-vote.

this is perhaps a hypocritical question, but, why are you asking me?

Because I have no idea who to vote when there's a Jester and people trying to Jester-tell?

[RH9]

Any ideas for who I should be voting?

unless you believe mocha's jester, probably mocha? like, idk lol, i get that you dont have any scumreads, but unless someone suddenly comes in with a clearly out-of-this-world case that can within ~40 hours convince a majority of the town, this is just a numbers' game, right? there are two wagons with demonstrable support on active players, and you probably dont want to self-vote.

this is perhaps a hypocritical question, but, why are you asking me?

Because I have no idea who to vote when there's a Jester and people trying to Jester-tell.

EBWOP

[RH9]

okay, so, do you believe mocha is likely jester or not?

I think that they're either Jester or lighthearted Town.

[RH9]

I don't think that scum will be this lighthearted.

[RH9]

I don't think that scum will be this lighthearted.

Or will they?

[RH9]

I don't think that scum will be this lighthearted.

Or will they?

Actually, M&M being the Jester is the simplest explanation for their behaviour.

[RH9]

idk if numberq and three are town, but i kinda wanna townbloc with them regardless

Good idea. You three seem to be trying to solve the most.

[RH9]

our best-case scenario is scum shooting jester, but i dont really believe that that will actually happen lol. like, is the jester gonna be looking exceptionally townie or making convincing and cogent cases? and the alternative that enchant proposes, where we all jester-tell so scum's shooting a little blind -- we're flatly not going to catch scum if we adopt this strategy (idk, maybe this is a more controversial opinion than i think? i almost never play jester games). i think we're much better off being open in jester reads to avoid mountainous, than we are praying that scum shoot jester.

i dont get why rh9 isnt voting. very strange to recognize deadline urgency to the point where you say youre fine with being eliminated as town, but not cast at least a semi-arbitrary vote for that same reason.

UNVOTE: mocha
VOTE: rh9

i consider these two pretty interchangeable. ive covered why im not interested in eliminating alyssa right this moment.

Any ideas for who I should be voting?

Bizarre that someone who's been here from the beginning is asking this question to someone who's specifically said they haven't read the thread

Well, maybe she caught something which I didn't.

[RH9]

@Kerset VC please

[RH9]

What if we just voted to cancel the game.
How many people genuinely interested in game solving this thing and not just shit posting or coasting here
I am down to play but lot of yall and even including me are like either dont have motivation or kind of coasting.

I think less than 3 players here who seem to care at all.

I guess motivation is a problem for me because I am motivated to continue playing but to actually gamesolve is becoming harder for me to decide when there are posts which aren't meant to be taken seriously.

[RH9]

was blood puppets widely regarded as obvtown? while my first thought was very much "mocha would shoot them, right?", it's also possibly just best explained as "great way to avoid hitting a jester".

You know Taly and Galron, right? People, for some reason or another, think that Taly has a strong towngame. Galron, I'm assuming, you know already from Open 837.

[RH9]

was blood puppets widely regarded as obvtown? while my first thought was very much "mocha would shoot them, right?", it's also possibly just best explained as "great way to avoid hitting a jester".

You know Taly and Galron, right? People, for some reason or another, think that Taly has a strong towngame. Galron, I'm assuming, you know already from Open 837.

Actually, people think that Taly is likely to try to win the game for his team as Almost50 (who I assume you know too from Open 837) once said.

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[RH9]

rh9, is there any point in me asking, "would you please vote mocha?"?

Sure. I'll do it now if you want.
VOTE: Milk & Mocha

[RH9]

rh9, is there any point in me asking, "would you please vote mocha?"?

Sure. I'll do it now if you want.
VOTE: Milk & Mocha

By the way, this is kind of because their lolclaim of IC might have baited the real one and I don't think that Town will do that.
(This mainly comes from a reread.)

[RH9]

i probably wontve read the thread by tomorrow, but i do plan on reading some of it. any recommendations for pages or whatever?

You ISO people. I do that when I replace into games or I'm attempting to catch up on fast-paced game.

[RH9]

i probably wontve read the thread by tomorrow, but i do plan on reading some of it. any recommendations for pages or whatever?

You can ISO people. I do that when I replace into games or I'm attempting to catch up on fast-paced game.

EBWOP

[RH9]

@Kerset VC

[RH9]

I droped fear of jester long ago.

Only motivation to not kill Jester is +1 elim on mafia needed.

I think chaos and havok created by simple existence of jest already cost us far more.


We can't just let idiots to let fool us with jestering unpunished.

Seems like a good point. It might help boost motivation.

[RH9]

regardless, i think every other non-rh9 player who's posted so far has given explicit support for the rh9 wagon, perhaps consensus is not so hard lmao

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rh9

if three decides mocha isnt jester, very happy to wagon there too, but for now i strongly agree that we should just stump the jester.

Ok. Sure. I agree with the last sentence.

[RH9]

dwlee99, why not rh9?

I think that Dwlee is a firm supporter of a M&M wagon.

[RH9]

ik i said mocha's not jester earlier, but that was when i was on "enchant's definitely jester", which i straight-up do not believe any more.

i get the subjective appeal of "nah just dont let the presence of jester factor into eliminations", but lmao i think people who say that are dramatically underestimating the difference between white flag and mountainous.

so: if mocha's not jester, and enchant's not jester, who are the other candidates?

IDK really.

[RH9]

i get the subjective appeal of "nah just dont let the presence of jester factor into eliminations", but lmao i think people who say that are dramatically underestimating the difference between white flag and mountainous.

i'll say it more plainly, actually -- this current town is not capable of winning mountainous

I comprehend.

[RH9]

I'm the leading wagon again, then?

[RH9]

I'm still fine with my flip if it can produce associatives to work with.

[RH9]

Homie if you don't even care if you die why should I

You shouldn't.

[RH9]

We have enough miseliminations left.

[RH9]

@Kerset VC please. I'm having trouble keeping up with the votes.

[RH9]

not trying to flex or anything but I happen to be the only person in the history of the world to win 2 Fields Medals

Sounds cool.

[RH9]

i probably shouldnt say that without checking the vote count to ensure there are names i think that makes sense for. just a hunch, not a concrete suspicion on anyone.

The latest VC's a bit outdated, FYI.

[RH9]

im so behind on shit though lmao but e-1 or e-2 uhh lol LOL. last i checked we had like two votes or something

You have at least three votes according to the latest VC.

[RH9]

GG

[RH9]

It was a pleasure to finally play with scum!STD and scum!DkKoba!
And my second time playing with scum!MegAzumarill.
Well done, scumteam!
You did an amazing job!

[RH9]

And Kerset, after the redactions, I think that I'll be OK with releasing my Notes PT.

[RH9]

I should have stuck to my gutread on MegAzumarill, though.

[RH9]

And Pooky and Noraa, congrats on the top-notch reads!

[RH9]

And thank you Kerset for being a very excellent mod!

[RH9]

GODDAMMIT

Taly, did you altslip?

[RH9]

FYI, I never said the striked-out things.

[RH9]

And by the way, Kerset, the redacted posts should be enough.

[RH9]

Good job on the joint win pooky :3

joint win best win :3

I agree.

[RH9]

You the real mvp Looker

You did me proud

I somewhat agree.
Though, I would consider the MVPs to be jointly Pooky, Noraa, Looker, Dwlee, Three and mc esther.

[RH9]

And maybe also the scumteam.

[RH9]

To be honest, I am looking forward to reading the Scum PT.

[RH9]

You the real mvp Looker

You did me proud

I somewhat agree.
Though, I would consider the MVPs to be jointly Pooky, Noraa, Looker, Dwlee, Three and mc esther.

I think I ended up being scum MVP while town

I thought that you did well.

[RH9]

Poor Kerset.

[RH9]

I think if you were to see the actual message I received you’d have a different outlook on this situation
It reeks of “how dare you

make me

do my job”

Oh.
I think that I get what you mean about Kerset being upset now.