We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.
May not necessarily be a deliberate pocketing but it's not impossible - scum can fake being constructive when it's useful, or if they think town are perhaps going down the wrong path. My no1 issue with Johnny after a look through their ISO is their primary SR is someone they don't even seem to particularly strongly SR. Of course, you could argue scum would be more aware of this and would have backup reads ready if their main read fades away but in a game of this size it's probably more viable for scum, if they seem helpful, to slip through the cracks early on because there's so many players and it's easy to miss when one individual scum doesn't necessarily have any reads they've managed to make look genuine.In post 2022, Taly wrote:oof, it was lost on me thatIn post 2017, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Spoiler: Johnny's Poe
Spoiler: Taly's Poe
@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus
Do you care to help me remove them from mine?
I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for laterCytosine/Guaninewere post-restricted? where is the source?
bella:I liked the questions they've asked so far and the timing at which they were done, need me to pick them out?
roden:saw them posit a town/town between two players in a post? (i should review this at some point) don't think that's typical for scum behavior when there's no notable 1v1s occurring? it's enough to make my eyes go somewhere else.
mala:ive seen mislimmed early-game for a lack of active, focused, nuanced content - i dont think they're a player that's well-read given the current site culture. im weary, i want to give this slot some time. itll be an easier sort later.
nancy/titus/galron:best that you ISO me for reads on these two slots.
nah im not feeling theIn post 2018, MalcolmTucker wrote:I agree with CSF and Frogster that Johnny's read on Frog seems quite weak. If nobody else had been particularly SR'ing the slot then I'd put it down to town just having a gut-read early on. But given Frog got quite a lot of attention early on I think it's possible Johnny saw some momentum on a player that looks townie now and felt like it would be an ideal place to put their vote as scum.
From one POV you'd expect them to have backed off by now considering there's essentially an admission their read isn't that strong, but I think it's also possible Johnny could be fairly self-aware scum here if they haven't pushed much elsewhere and want to look as if they're at least trying to maintain some sort of pressure on a slot.johnnyscumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.
you think im being pocketed?
I think Galron’s town. If you’ve read my ISO you’d see thar he was one of the slots. I hard vetoed limming today. Galron appears to be genuinely solving, so I totally do not get the srs on him at all.In post 2014, Taly wrote:good point,In post 2010, Dancing Puppets wrote:Spoiler:
It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.@T-Bone for p-editI think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.
how do you feel aboutgalron,nancy?
pedit again
then whats an AI action fromBell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.pookyin your eyes so far, if one?
I played that game during a week-long stay in the hospitalIn post 2024, Dancing Puppets wrote:I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.
I had almost blocked it out.But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon. Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum. He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?In post 2026, Bell wrote:We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.
Bbt - what had you done before that post that you think should have marked you as town as fuck? Or were you just joking?
oh shit, THIS IS BREAKABLE HAHAHAHA.In post 2023, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 6, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine
Well the only other game I can think of is Schadd’s game but I don’t know how helpful that would be considering that the game was pretty much ruined for me due to an absurdly deathtunnelling animated cow.In post 2029, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I played that game during a week-long stay in the hospitalIn post 2024, Dancing Puppets wrote:I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.
So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes crossIn post 2017, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.In post 2030, Dancing Puppets wrote:But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.In post 2026, Bell wrote:We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?
the toucan triedDon’t know about the rest of that list but feel pretty confident these three are town.In post 2034, JohnnyFarrar wrote:So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes crossIn post 2017, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
Pedit: Taly we tried breaking this already
Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?In post 2035, MalcolmTucker wrote:To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.In post 2030, Dancing Puppets wrote:But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.In post 2026, Bell wrote:We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?
Bell is probably just paranoid but as for the rest? don’t know.In post 2037, JohnnyFarrar wrote:My eyebrow is absolutely up at how much pushback these pooky townreads are getting
Pedit- sweet dreams Taly. Thanks for helping me get my feet a lil
To appear townie. As outlined above it's clearly being read as pro-town. Just pointing out it'd have an advantage for scum too.In post 2039, Dancing Puppets wrote:Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?In post 2035, MalcolmTucker wrote:To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.In post 2030, Dancing Puppets wrote:But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.In post 2026, Bell wrote:We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?
This is the only klick post that hit me any which way. Who did you here this from?In post 561, Klick wrote:I'm told Luke's scum game is scary but equally he's had some good takes. I think he's probably a net positive on the game state.
CSF also wasn't on mine, I missed that in the original postIn post 2038, Dancing Puppets wrote:Don’t know about the rest of that list but feel pretty confident these three are town.
So how does that make him scum? You could pretty much make this kind of argument for pretty much anything. Your entire argument is that Pooky could also do this as scum but again why?In post 2042, MalcolmTucker wrote:To appear townie. As outlined above it's clearly being read as pro-town. Just pointing out it'd have an advantage for scum too.In post 2039, Dancing Puppets wrote:Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?In post 2035, MalcolmTucker wrote:To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.In post 2030, Dancing Puppets wrote:But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.In post 2026, Bell wrote:We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)In post 2021, Dancing Puppets wrote:How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?
Why the hell did I sign myself up for this?In post 1945, Lukewarm wrote:I plan to use my platform as Confirmed Town to start a new wagon tonight. Buy like, 5 hours from now.
Stay tuned
I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.In post 1612, Klick wrote:Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.In post 1567, Cephrir wrote:Klick why did you flip your read on me
I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you
But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed
But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum
I don't have any statistics or anything, but thisIn post 2047, Dancing Puppets wrote:I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.In post 1612, Klick wrote:Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.In post 1567, Cephrir wrote:Klick why did you flip your read on me
I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you
But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed
But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum
I suppose but in general scum likes to push fake srs > having confident trs. But it’s not just having strong trs, it’s the he’d be surprised part but yeah, I guess that could also be fakable.In post 2048, Lukewarm wrote:I don't have any statistics or anything, but thisIn post 2047, Dancing Puppets wrote:I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.In post 1612, Klick wrote:Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.In post 1567, Cephrir wrote:Klick why did you flip your read on me
I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you
But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed
But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scumfeelssimply untrue.
Faking confident town reads is like one of the easiest things to do as scum lol
i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.
). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.