↑The Fonz wrote:How weird? Well it doesn't seem to make any difference to the wagon dynamics, he makes it, then it literally gets ignored for at least ten pages.
I'm curious as to the implication you're trying to make here
-b
As I said, it seemed weird. It had literally no impact on the game. No-one at all seemed to react to it, it didn't given the Honey wagon any momentum, he disappeared for a few pages after making it then, on returning didn't say anything about Honey. It's as if it hadn't happened. Normally, when someone switches from the top wagon to the second-biggest within a day of deadline, it has some kind of effect on the game. That's bizarre and I don't really know what to make of it. (I guess the lack of votecounts had something to do with it).
Anatole only mentions Honey once more after voting her. Read ISO 175-187, from the vote to the end of the day. Anatole seems to spend all this time talking about side issues, and basically none of it talking about who to lynch. It's possible that this is a townie who doesn't see much difference between the major wagons. But to compare that with my own mindset, I was pretty much agonising between ND and Honey in terms of who's the better compromise lynch if I can't get people to acquiesce in an FT lynch, and he just doesn't seem bothered.
A bastard mechanic necessitates fakeclaims. The mod cannot depend on town outing the bastard mechanic.
AK there is nothing inside knowledge there.
This is just plain wrong.
Nati provided fake claims ON REQUEST in TWO bastard games of his I've played. I think that was also the case in the Final Radiant Tales game, too, but I wasn't scum in that game.
↑fferyllt wrote:fonz's claim satisfies me for now, though the flavor sounds recruity maybe. wouldnt expect that sort of claim if it actually were recruity.
Are we really throwing alignment changes into the speculation mix?
-b
heh.
I've been staying with family in the bible belt for 4 months and I've been evangelized morning noon and night, when it's not just assumed I'm a right thinking republican voting churchgoing teapartying and upstanding member of the community. "radio preacher" has some negative irl vibes atm.
but to answer your question I've gone back to the sign up thread and this
This was my blurb. Please note an emphasis on 'experimental'. The bastard mechanic only applies to the hidden mechanic, the rest of the setup is normal. 13p, no pre-ins.
lays those concerns pretty much to rest.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:33 pm
by fferyllt
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:1) Day one I was a lot more flexible because until I see a flip I tend to have trouble really getting a grasp on the different lines of thought and motivations in the town which I think I have more insight into now. I believe I do care, evidenced by the fact I haven't dropped a vote and I'm trying to figure out some ongoing shit.
2) I thought one of FT and Honey were likely scum, and was willing to vote either. FT asked me to switch back to Honey and I went with it because I had a gut scumread on her all game. I thought the FT wagon had merit based on the reasoning I explained in post 1640. I also have had a weird feeling about nashville just due to loose threads so I was willing to vote her too - if she had been lynched and come up scum it would have more or less telegraphed the alignments of several slots.
3) Yes. Most importantly, I started to townread Lissa when she finally posted her reads, but after the lynch/flip of Honey I felt that her vote on Honey was bussing, and preparation for that is why I think she kept stalling posting her reads. I started feeling worse and worse about Nash and IHNC and better about Cutty. I was townreading Gossamer yesterday but the night results you and nash described and the second kill have me worried about that slot. I don't think F-16 is mafia but a killing third party is possible. The end of the day made me feel better about Baboon, who I don't think would have defended or townread Honey so obviously and so consistently if they were scum. My reads haven't really changed on anyone else - I've explained why I thought Csareo/Oka was town in the aftermath of his claim and his vote/case on my flavor that ended in the concession of a mod error.
Re 3, why Lissa's vote in particular? I feel like by your logic on her I should be equally suspect.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:1) Day one I was a lot more flexible because until I see a flip I tend to have trouble really getting a grasp on the different lines of thought and motivations in the town which I think I have more insight into now. I believe I do care, evidenced by the fact I haven't dropped a vote and I'm trying to figure out some ongoing shit.
2) I thought one of FT and Honey were likely scum, and was willing to vote either. FT asked me to switch back to Honey and I went with it because I had a gut scumread on her all game. I thought the FT wagon had merit based on the reasoning I explained in post 1640. I also have had a weird feeling about nashville just due to loose threads so I was willing to vote her too - if she had been lynched and come up scum it would have more or less telegraphed the alignments of several slots.
3) Yes. Most importantly, I started to townread Lissa when she finally posted her reads, but after the lynch/flip of Honey I felt that her vote on Honey was bussing, and preparation for that is why I think she kept stalling posting her reads. I started feeling worse and worse about Nash and IHNC and better about Cutty. I was townreading Gossamer yesterday but the night results you and nash described and the second kill have me worried about that slot. I don't think F-16 is mafia but a killing third party is possible. The end of the day made me feel better about Baboon, who I don't think would have defended or townread Honey so obviously and so consistently if they were scum. My reads haven't really changed on anyone else - I've explained why I thought Csareo/Oka was town in the aftermath of his claim and his vote/case on my flavor that ended in the concession of a mod error.
Re 3, why Lissa's vote in particular? I feel like by your logic on her I should be equally suspect.
if you were equally suspect of me then you would be ignoring entirely the context of my vote versus lissa's vote that I explained in the above paragraph
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:41 pm
by fferyllt
↑OkaPoka wrote:I think Nashville needs to make up their minds and stop diagreeing with each other, since I keep pinigng scum on them.
I will treat hydraes as normal players so if you guys keep flipflopping i will act like it is scum since I don't want to go figuring out which head is posting and see a difference between them.
Is cutty and nash the only hyrda?
This bothers me because I feel like if you're town then you should be more concerned about getting an accurate read than "act like it is scum".
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:42 pm
by OkaPoka
I can't be bothered by hydras falling back on the card of, we disagree because we are two players.
IT would be better if the hydras didn't keep arguing on the scum reads and fighting over stuff.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:1) Day one I was a lot more flexible because until I see a flip I tend to have trouble really getting a grasp on the different lines of thought and motivations in the town which I think I have more insight into now. I believe I do care, evidenced by the fact I haven't dropped a vote and I'm trying to figure out some ongoing shit.
2) I thought one of FT and Honey were likely scum, and was willing to vote either. FT asked me to switch back to Honey and I went with it because I had a gut scumread on her all game. I thought the FT wagon had merit based on the reasoning I explained in post 1640. I also have had a weird feeling about nashville just due to loose threads so I was willing to vote her too - if she had been lynched and come up scum it would have more or less telegraphed the alignments of several slots.
3) Yes. Most importantly, I started to townread Lissa when she finally posted her reads, but after the lynch/flip of Honey I felt that her vote on Honey was bussing, and preparation for that is why I think she kept stalling posting her reads. I started feeling worse and worse about Nash and IHNC and better about Cutty. I was townreading Gossamer yesterday but the night results you and nash described and the second kill have me worried about that slot. I don't think F-16 is mafia but a killing third party is possible. The end of the day made me feel better about Baboon, who I don't think would have defended or townread Honey so obviously and so consistently if they were scum. My reads haven't really changed on anyone else - I've explained why I thought Csareo/Oka was town in the aftermath of his claim and his vote/case on my flavor that ended in the concession of a mod error.
Re 3, why Lissa's vote in particular? I feel like by your logic on her I should be equally suspect.
if you were equally suspect of me then you would be ignoring entirely the context of my vote versus lissa's vote that I explained in the above paragraph
can't tell what you mean by "suspect of me". I was asking you why you apparently didn't find my HB vote timing suspicious.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:47 pm
by fferyllt
oka you're obviously following the game pretty closely.
You asked for others' scumreads so you could focus on isos. What came of that?
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:51 pm
by fferyllt
↑Lissa wrote:I need to reread but I don't know where to start.
Isos are easier to process and draw reads from
but only reading them misses some interactions
So I need to reread the full thread also
all ninety-one pages.
Argh
Hopefully I can get some good reads by doing that. I'm better at getting good reads, especially scumreads, a bit later in the game, so hopefully I will be able to get better reads now.
How did this go?
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:53 pm
by OkaPoka
I still yet to get someone's readlist so I can iso. Other than Nash, some cutty, and some Anatole that is about it I have on possible scumreads by other players.
Obviously prefer a Nash lynch.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:56 pm
by fferyllt
↑OkaPoka wrote:I still yet to get someone's readlist so I can iso. Other than Nash, some cutty, and some Anatole that is about it I have on possible scumreads by other players.
Obviously prefer a Nash lynch.
In my day 2 catch up so far (on page 91 now), I've seen reads, including a few reads lists.
This also bothers me. You're johnny on the spot when your name is posted, but so far I'm not getting much impression that you're processing the game.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:59 pm
by fferyllt
↑Nashville Dreams wrote:I don't mind pissing a few people off while I tell the truth. The VCA will tell the truth and my VCA is good. It's perfect in my completed games.
↑Lissa wrote:I need to read back still, sorry! I want to take a close look at Baboon and Anatole. I will definitely be doing that today.
why these two in particular?
Baboon was seeming town to me yesterday but there were some interactions between them/Honey that make me wonder. Plus the neighborhood thing; though I think a lurking scum in there is quite plausible, I'm not sure.
Anatole seemed town to me day one but I'm wondering a little because of various things.
I think I also want to look at Nashville, actually.
I am starting on this now.
what various things?
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:09 pm
by F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Going to catch up tomorrow evening. Hopefully, we'll have a 5-Off replacement as well by then. Also,
VOTE: Fferyllt
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:10 pm
by fferyllt
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:It's not blatant rolefishing to ask if you have what my role would consider an "item" for the sole purpose of corroborating that I am not bullshitting about the item mechanic - you have already given away much more info than that about your role.
Ffer - my role implies scum either have RB or bulletproof/ascetic because there is a qualifier that if/when I do submit my night action, it is unstoppable except by divine intervention. That, combined with the way nash described their night action and subsequent camera issues and the lack of any meaningful results all around make me pretty confident.
divine intervention sort of sounds like there could be an interrelationship between your role and fonz's.
At first I was thinking that a blessing could be an "item", but that doesn't pass the sniff test.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:11 pm
by fferyllt
↑F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Going to catch up tomorrow evening. Hopefully, we'll have a 5-Off replacement as well by then. Also,
VOTE: Fferyllt
dude.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:13 pm
by F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Didn't you just ask me to put a vote down?
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:18 pm
by fferyllt
heh.
I forgot.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:35 pm
by OkaPoka
We are running out of time! Lets start building a wagon
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:15 pm
by F-16_Fighting_Falcon
We have time and I'll discuss other reads later but I want to talk about Nashville:
I get the suspicion there and the concerns about them but there are two things that make me sure that they are town:
1) The way Mala initially tried to sort Tammy was incredibly genuine and knowing Mala as both town and scum, I think it is well outside the range of what scum-Mala is able to fake. It felt like she truly wanted to figure out our affiliation and was doing all sorts of odd and unusual things to get a read on us. As scum, Mala is a rather low profile player. She doesn't bring attention to herself. She pops in once in while to post decent-looking analysis of the game. She is emotionally more subdued than she is as town.
2) I talked about this one already but the way she voted us at the start of D2 for a claim.
I haven't figured out who I want to lynch but I strongly prefer that we not lynch Nashville Dreams and consider other alternatives. I'd be shocked if they flipped scum.
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:27 pm
by OkaPoka
Give me some names to ISO that is not cutty or AK
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:41 pm
by Baboon Pride
Replacement ffery is a really bizarre experience.
Our vote looks better with every page (it's on Oka right?)
