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Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:49 am
by Dyrenz
Or he could be town jumping on what seemed at the time to be bad!scum

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:04 am
by Leucosticte
In post 324, Dyrenz wrote:I mean, maaaaybe he could be scum took it as a free vote since it was SO easy to vote for me right then.
Why do you make it easy

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:14 am
by skitter30
Leu, find somewhere else to vote

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:15 am
by Dyrenz
Because I was momentarily frustrated and instead of stepping away to cool down I did something really dumb.

Micc is gonna be really mad lol.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:20 am
by Plotinus
official vote count 1.10


baby tamandua




LynchingWith 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Dyrenz
(3): Micc, Farren, Leucosticte
Farren
(2): skitter30, Mr Oobsy
Chemist1422
(2): NorwegianboyEE, Jamelia
NorwegianboyEE
(2): Chemist1422, Dyrenz

Not Voting
(0):
None.


Deadline:
(expired on 2019-09-04 23:00:00).


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Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:23 am
by Dyrenz
I should've repped out as soon as I saw Micc. Told myself I would give it a shot, maybe this time it will be different. Clearly not, he just does not approve of my play style at all. He's why I quit my first attempt at Mafia years ago. He would not let up no matter how badly I tried to help town and prove my innocence and it led to a mislynch. Don't even know how the game ended because it left me so frustrated I quit the site.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:01 am
by Micc
UNVOTE:

Please don’t be hard on yourself. Being pushed is part of the game and it happens to everyone. Emotionally, it can be really hard to deal with. I wish I had better advice to give besides that other than extreme cases it’s not personal and there are no hard feelings.

I’m not mad, just disappointed that the one good read I had looks to have been wrong. Just gotta move on.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:05 am
by Micc
Also, I’ll respond to your posts regarding the chemist read if you confirm you want me to, but otherwise I’m going to drop it considering your claim makes my read on you invalid.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:12 am
by Leucosticte
In post 330, Dyrenz wrote:I should've repped out as soon as I saw Micc. Told myself I would give it a shot, maybe this time it will be different. Clearly not, he just does not approve of my play style at all. He's why I quit my first attempt at Mafia years ago. He would not let up no matter how badly I tried to help town and prove my innocence and it led to a mislynch. Don't even know how the game ended because it left me so frustrated I quit the site.
Mafia's an intense game, and town usually is slow to catch on to what's going on, and trusting of the wrong people and skeptical of the good people. It's kinda like the mate market that way, in that it's based largely on feelings and manipulation rather than logic. Obviously that makes it frustrating for those who don't thrive in those kinds of conditions.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:13 am
by Micc
VOTE: Leocosticte

His Chemist and Dyrenz votes are both yikes.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:44 am
by Leucosticte
In post 334, Micc wrote:VOTE: Leocosticte

His Chemist and Dyrenz votes are both yikes.
Don't fall for the poor me routine.. a dude with like 80 games under his belt got snowed by a first-time player in wlf-068 who used that..

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:48 am
by Dyrenz
You're STILL convinced I'm scum Leuco? Methinks you could be rolecop and you're just mad I outed you

VOTE: Leucosticte

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:49 am
by skitter30
Scum dont claim pr like that

Even if you think he's scum he has to prove himself, and if he doesn't, we'll lynch him later

We're not lynching him today

Now find somewhere else to vote, or i will vote you

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:28 am
by Leucosticte
Tell me some more about the Friendly Neighbor, since I've never played a game that had that. The Mafia Wiki says, "Friendly Neighbor is nearly impossible to frame as a liar. If you are scum and receive a Friendly Neighbor greeting, you probably are not served by lying and saying you didn't get it."

How easy is it to fakeclaim, though? I mean, I guess if it's nearly impossible to frame, then a fake claim, "Hey, I sent a message but he's falsely claiming he didn't get it" wouldn't be plausible, because scum wouldn't do that. Or would they?

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:31 am
by Chemist1422
In post 338, Leucosticte wrote:Tell me some more about the Friendly Neighbor, since I've never played a game that had that. The Mafia Wiki says, "Friendly Neighbor is nearly impossible to frame as a liar. If you are scum and receive a Friendly Neighbor greeting, you probably are not served by lying and saying you didn't get it."

How easy is it to fakeclaim, though? I mean, I guess if it's nearly impossible to frame, then a fake claim, "Hey, I sent a message but he's falsely claiming he didn't get it" wouldn't be plausible, because scum wouldn't do that. Or would they?
it’s possible but wouldn’t it just be CCed?

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:35 am
by NorwegianboyEE
If Dyrenz is fake claiming then i'm pretty sure we would hear it from the real PR's. I believe his claim for now. If he is honest then he will probably get murdered on night 1 anyway so no point in wasting a lynch on him.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:38 am
by skitter30
if he's lying:

a) someone will cc
b) nobody will be able to verify his claim

so basically, we'll figure it out if he's lying pretty quick

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:38 am
by Leucosticte
All right, well, I have to think about whom I want to switch my vote to. I assume no one's going to be dropping the hammer on Dyrenz.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am
by NorwegianboyEE
You really should have analyzed the situation better Leucosticte. Wanting to lynch Dyrenz for claiming a PR is a very scummy mindset. I'll assume you just didn't think things through, but it was definitely a suspicious reaction to have.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:43 am
by skitter30
just unvote ty

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:05 am
by Jamelia
In post 330, Dyrenz wrote:I should've repped out as soon as I saw Micc. Told myself I would give it a shot, maybe this time it will be different. Clearly not, he just does not approve of my play style at all. He's why I quit my first attempt at Mafia years ago. He would not let up no matter how badly I tried to help town and prove my innocence and it led to a mislynch. Don't even know how the game ended because it left me so frustrated I quit the site.
Or, you can just play and have fun.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 am
by Jamelia
In post 337, skitter30 wrote:Scum dont claim pr like that

Even if you think he's scum he has to prove himself, and if he doesn't, we'll lynch him later

We're not lynching him today

Now find somewhere else to vote, or i will vote you
I don’t know if this is how you normally talk, but is there a need to be this harsh? I think it’s unnecessary to be this rude when multiple people are also trying to learn the meta and figure out everything too.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:15 am
by skitter30
Not trying to be harsh or rude, apologies if i came off that way.

Is there anything u want me to elaborate upon?

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:21 am
by Jamelia
In post 347, skitter30 wrote:Not trying to be harsh or rude, apologies if i came off that way.

Is there anything u want me to elaborate upon?
I understood why the vote needs to be off Dyrenz at the moment since he’s the only PR to claim (still don’t understand why they did that). So right now, there’s really nothing for me to have explained except where we think the direction should go at this point.

We have multiple targets but I’d like it consolidated so we can all come to some sort of agreement that we like and helps us moving forward the next days or so.

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:36 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 348, Jamelia wrote:We have multiple targets but I’d like it consolidated so we can all come to some sort of agreement that we like and helps us moving forward the next days or so.
Amen to that.
I would definitely like for everyone to consider all alternatives before moving forward.