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Post Post #2978 (isolation #400) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:27 am

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In post 2044, Aloratom wrote:VOTE: NDMath

I'm still think this is the best lynch today. A red flip here clears eyestott I believe. I can't see a NDMath/eyestott team.

This is L-1.
Aloratom, do you remember why you voted for NDMath despite your scumcase on eyestott? Why was NDMath scummier?

You also suggested that one of them was probably scum but never voted for eyestott the next day. How come?
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Post Post #2981 (isolation #401) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:01 am

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I'm a massive fun of Mario! I've played all the originals and tried to speed-run Super Mario Bros 1 a few times (with disastrous results). This is a really interesting video if you want a trip down nostalgia lane. The 3D game on DS you're probably thinking of is Mario 64.

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Thanks for the answer.
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Post Post #2984 (isolation #402) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:31 pm

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In post 2982, eyestott wrote:I’m a Mario fan too! All of the 3D Mario games are ridiculously good. I remember once, when me and my siblings were kids, our parents accidentally deleted our Super Mario 64 save file with 70 stars! So they spent the whole school day trying to get them back! They never found the wing cap, so that made it even harder!
That's sweet of them lol
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #403) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:37 pm

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I don't know what I'm waiting for. I ISOed Aloratom earlier and he's been town-spewing all over the place; especially today with a lot of slips that actually read as genuine.

eyestott has a legit story for realising what novice did earlier today.

Churros and Taly I think decided to go for the win today rather than have to bus. Since if they bussed, eyestott would check Aloratom and it would mean the best case scenario for them would be a 1v1. If they killed eyestott, I would be alive and confirmed by him.

Also, I just do not buy Taly repeatedly not understanding how Neapolitan works.

The council wants me to wait until tomorrow just in case people have any last words that could miraculously change my mind. Battle Mage is here too, but he's invisible.

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Post Post #2988 (isolation #404) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:35 am

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VOTE: Churros



As Paragon walked through the debris and wreckage, he had a moment of realisation - he never really liked Churros - they were just too sweet.

No, that's false. Paragon loves Churros, but they have to be just the right amount of savoury, and it's a pain to get right. Therefore, better not to risk it at all.
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Post Post #2989 (isolation #405) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:55 am

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Spill the beans already!
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Post Post #2990 (isolation #406) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:27 am

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Post Post #2991 (isolation #407) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:59 am

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Post Post #2992 (isolation #408) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:30 am

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Post Post #3002 (isolation #409) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:20 am

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Well, well, well. An Oogle Boogle has fallen into the game.

eyestott has joined the council and the only thing on his mind is electrocuting your slot.
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Post Post #3003 (isolation #410) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:21 am

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In post 3001, OkaPoka wrote:ok well apparently aloratom claimed vt and so did paragon so that rules that out
Rules what out?
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Post Post #3019 (isolation #411) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:40 am

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In post 3008, OkaPoka wrote:actually okay i have a question

alo's seemingly a utr for a very long time, so was taly, i guess eyestott was a pr claim but seemed lynchable as evidenced by churros trying to lynch that

why is alo is still alive? why did SS eat a bullet?
Churros claimed novice 1-shot gunsmith and claimed an inno on Something_Smart on day 2.
In post 3010, OkaPoka wrote:when did eyestott claim neopolitan? how did this guy stay alive until day 4 and seemingly go unrestricted in night actions
People (including me) thought neapolitan was unreasonable for 2 scum in 12 players.
In post 3011, OkaPoka wrote:contrary to intuiton, doing a quick ctrl f of pops and luca's iso, im going to guess pops got shot by blake and luca got shot by scum
Yes.
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #412) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:44 am

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I was scumreading eyestott on Day 3 and was very vocal about how I couldn't see eyestott being an ungated neapolitan if there were only 2 scum, I think that's the main reason eyestott was kept alive, to hinge on me helping scum mislynch him the next day.
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Post Post #3021 (isolation #413) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:48 am

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Be honest, which setup looks more balanced?
  • Multitasking Goon
  • Multitasking Rolecop
  • 1-shot Vigilante
  • 2-shot Bulletproof
  • Neapolitan
  • 7 VT
  • Multitasking Goon
  • Multitasking Rolecop
  • 1-shot Vigilante
  • Neapolitan
  • 8 VT
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Post Post #3028 (isolation #414) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:59 am

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Okay, fair, I don't think it's worth setup-speccing each on is viable.

If I'd followed my original setup-spec I would've lynched eyestott yesterday.
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Post Post #3029 (isolation #415) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:00 am

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In post 3027, OkaPoka wrote:anyways if what you said about eyestott is true, then scum's plan was 100% to lynch eyestott yesterday, how did that plan fall through?
I reevaluated and changed my mind on eyestott, he kinda obvtowned himself with the way he played the last day.
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Post Post #3031 (isolation #416) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:02 am

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Oogle, Churros was voting for eyestott yesterday and was
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to getting Taly joining him. Taly at several points said he was just thinking about the vote but would be joining him one way or the other. Why does Churros on a whim decide to bus his partner rather than follow out the game winning mislynch on Taly?
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Post Post #3032 (isolation #417) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:02 am

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*with Taly on eyestott
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Post Post #3035 (isolation #418) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 2825, Taly wrote:i think
para
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i dont think
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PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom
In post 2848, Churros wrote:VOTE: Alo

Let's just end this day already at least

Eye feel free to hammer this if it's Taly + Eye and I'm a silly person while paragon is GOAT

If Taly is town I'm nomming myself as GOAT though
Oh, I got that wrong actually. Need to read back on these events.
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Post Post #3037 (isolation #419) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:09 am

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In post 2825, Taly wrote:i think
para
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churros
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eye


i dont think
Eye/Churros
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PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom
In post 2836, Churros wrote:Taly attacking eyesott so much only to vote Alo and say that maybe it's me + Alo is quite puzzling but the truth is I care less about this game by each second so I may be fine with just lynching alo here.
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Post Post #3040 (isolation #420) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:13 am

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In post 3036, OkaPoka wrote:Like imagine this world

Churros/Taly scum, paragon indicated he was going to lynch eyestott so they save eyestott for game winning mislynch.

But then paragon is like, nah, eyestott is town. So scum are probably going to try a bit to see if the original plan can work, they have to convince aloratom to lynch eyestott. Do you see churros trying to work with aloratom to lynch eyestott?

Alternatively Churros/Aloratom scum, " " " " " "

" " " " " ", they have to convince taly to lynch eyestott. Do you see churros trying to work with taly to lynch eyestott?
Good point. Churros spent a lot of time working/talking to Taly yesterday. He was convinced on both eyestott and Aloratom scum but spent a lot more time talking to eyestott, although eyestott was a lot more active.

Aloratom, where you at?
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Post Post #3041 (isolation #421) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:16 am

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In post 3038, OkaPoka wrote:Like the dynamics of 5p lylo for scum is quite simple. You need to convince one townie to sheep you on the wrong lynch or you need to disassociate with your partner as much as possible.

And if eyestott is left alive, I'm betting the plan was to lynch eyestott as evidenced by churros voting eyestott. So probably~ they want to convince you first. If you don't budge, they convince the other townie. Why are they wasting time convincing scum? You don't win convincing someone who you can ask to lolhammer in scum pt
In post 3039, OkaPoka wrote:and if taly is being an ass and churros realizes it won't work, next best plan is to disassociate, aka bus
Ja, you make a lot of sense here. How much of the previous day phase did you read?
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Post Post #3044 (isolation #422) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:24 am

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Lul, who do you have meta experience with? Aloratom? You got any scumtells on him?

But yeah, replacements coming in with a completely different view/explanation can feel like cheating at times. Unavoidable part of the game though.
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Post Post #3050 (isolation #423) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:57 am

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Tempted to vote Aloratom for the last few posts from you alone tbh.
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Post Post #3056 (isolation #424) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:40 pm

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Don't know if I have any questions, I'll see if I can go come up with some.

I was looking back at how I kept saying I'd be willing to vote Taly over one of eyestott/Churros, but Churros never took me up on that offer despite that potentially winning the game if Taly was town, and even though eyestott said he would. That more points towards Taly being scum with him I suppose.
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Post Post #3057 (isolation #425) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:43 pm

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Lul, I feel like I change my mind like every time I view this game. I
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that's a good thing and that I'm considering/evaluating all avenues, but maybe my memory is scuffed.
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #426) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:46 pm

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If eyestott and Taly are both town:

>Churros tries to push eyestott while appealing to me and Taly.
>I change my mind on eyestott. Taly votes Aloratom.

Now here, would scum!Churros:
  • Bus Aloratom to disassociate.
  • Or try the angle on voting Taly to get my vote.
I think maybe Churros had committed too much to the eyestott + Aloratom theory, so switching to Taly then might look real bad for him.
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Post Post #3060 (isolation #427) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:47 pm

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In post 3058, OkaPoka wrote:It depends on Churros' read on Taly. It'd be awkward for Churros to suddenly pivot from a solve of Alo/Eyestott to Taly/XXX

I'd suspect if you made that offer explicit, the onus would be on Alo to do something about it
Yeah, I get that.
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Post Post #3061 (isolation #428) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:19 pm

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Aloratom, Luca Blight wants to know why I went from null scum in this post, to-
In post 2249, Aloratom wrote:Paragon I've had a hard time getting over his initial tricks, and that still carries some weight. But since then, I get more of a genuine tone from him. There was something that I read today that I need to go back and look at that makes me question him. He was even more convinced of NDMath!scum than I, I believe. In fact, I think both he and I ended Day 1 with votes on him. I've actually got a Town lean on him.
a town lean in the above one. Elaborate on why you thought me being convinced of NDMath!scum is a town-indicative thing.

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Post Post #3062 (isolation #429) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:23 pm

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In post 2558, Aloratom wrote:In my eyes it has to be the Bulletproof or the Neapolitan that doesn't exist.

I'm really coming around to [Eyestott/Churros], [Paragon/Eyestott], [Paragon/Churros].
Why were you coming around to these teams in particular?
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Post Post #3065 (isolation #430) » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:51 pm

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In post 3063, Aloratom wrote:As far as NDMath, that's simple. I thought he was probably scummy; you more deeply thought he was scummy; therefore you're likely Town as not.
So you thought I was town because we both agreed on him being scum? Why can't I have been scum pushing a mislynch?
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Post Post #3068 (isolation #431) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:22 am

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It's so weird how Churros kept using "she" for Taly despite his pronouns being listed on his account. Possible scum-distancing???
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Post Post #3069 (isolation #432) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:24 am

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In post 78, Paragon wrote:
Updated list:


eyestott
Taly
Atarashi Hajimari
TheFuzzylogic99
Wiisp
robbnva
popsofctown
Taco
Aloratom

Y'shtola Rhul

VOTE: Y'shtola Rhul
Am I a genius??
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Post Post #3070 (isolation #433) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:26 am

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In post 2563, Aloratom wrote:
In post 2561, eyestott wrote:Alora, Neapolitan doesn’t work how you think it works


Scum Churros will return a result of not a vannjjla townie
PR Churros will return a result of not a vanilla townie
Why would I target him?
Ahh... I see. I had to go hunt it down in the wiki. That changes things somewhat.
Before you went to hunt the role down in the wiki, what was your understanding of it? From where have you heard of/played with neapolitan before this game?
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Post Post #3072 (isolation #434) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:29 am

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Pops:
Taly - Scum
Aloratom - Maybe Scum

Luca Blight:
Taly - Null
Aloratom - Scumlean

Blake Belladonna:
Taly - Townlean
Aloratom - Townlean

Something_Smart
Taly - Town
Aloratom - Scum

Ame:
Taly - Town
Aloratom - Scum

Battle Mage:
Taly - More Scum?
Aloratom - Less Scum?

I stopped here. If I sheeped the consensus on this list, I should be lynching Aloratom.
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Post Post #3074 (isolation #435) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:51 am

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I'm just reading through Day 4's events one more time.

Will hammer one way or another soon.
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Post Post #3075 (isolation #436) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:35 am

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VOTE: Aloratom

Apologies if you're town. You've played really well regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #3077 (isolation #437) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:40 am

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f in a good or bad way?
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Post Post #3082 (isolation #438) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:47 am

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Post Post #3086 (isolation #439) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:49 am

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Post Post #3088 (isolation #440) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:14 pm

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I have trust issues.
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Post Post #3097 (isolation #441) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:02 pm

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Yeah, it took me a lot of mental gymnastics to get over eyestott's role being balanced with 2 scum lul

Thanks for projecting town, Oogle. I wonder if I would've got there otherwise. Hopefully I would've noticed the ordering of the Taly/Churros votes on Aloratom.
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #442) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:10 pm

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Aloratom and Churros are winners in my heart.
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Post Post #3109 (isolation #443) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:22 pm

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Sorry, Taly!

Should've paid more mind to your earlier towncases.
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Post Post #3112 (isolation #444) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:34 pm

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Thanks! I apologise for all the mental strain I caused you this game regardless. You played really well to defend so many of the mislynches.

I've learned to reevaluate a lot more during LyLos after my last one that ended disastrously in the last Undertale game.

Pedit: You weren't in it?
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Post Post #3114 (isolation #445) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:48 pm

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Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the scum PT and the reasons for the nightkills.

Aloratom, your scumgame has improved so much from the mystery box game. You definitely would've won this game had this setup been balanced.
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #446) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:53 pm

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<3

I was sad when you replaced out.

I've played against scum!Luca before in a newbie game btw. He's pretty scary; had most people fooled but we won because of mech stuff and me surviving enough days as a cop.
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