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Post Post #2359 (isolation #400) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:56 am

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In post 2300, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2051, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2041, Dunnstral wrote:OK.

We can do different things tomorrow
I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.
This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.
This to me is a crumb.
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Post Post #2362 (isolation #401) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:57 am

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In post 2314, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2276, Critter wrote:(This is all assuming Wisdom is scum)
Dont get too invested in your planning because Im not scum
Plan still works long as we nail scum
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Post Post #2363 (isolation #402) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:59 am

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In post 2360, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2357, Critter wrote:I think mass PR vs not PR claim would be good.
I don't think that helps us, gamma already has his targets, right? This would just make unrelated people claim info for very little gain. Unless you just want to mass claim.
No. I said what I said for a reason

I think since you’re being elimmed he doesn’t have targets and it’s up to him

Then we focus in PRs until Gamma is dead.

When Gamma is dead fair game on everyone and if a scummy player claims PR earlier they have to justify thoughout without advantage of other PR roles known
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Post Post #2364 (isolation #403) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:01 am

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In post 2361, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2308, Dunnstral wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1590, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1587, Critter wrote:Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.
I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.


Quoting this because he also says "behind Kyo" here, just to show that it is unfortunate wording rather than an intentional crumb on his part. It's just the way he speaks.
Wisdom wrote: Maybe Im reading too much into it but maybe the omission was so it would be made clearer that it's a crumb.
That doesn't make sense, what he quoted isn't related to hiding or night actions or anything.
This post though
What about it? I don’t see how that relates and it wasn’t made anywhere near EoD
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Post Post #2365 (isolation #404) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:04 am

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In post 2051, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2041, Dunnstral wrote:OK.

We can do different things tomorrow
I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.
The way to convince me this isn’t a crumb is to find the better one.

Otherwise the smart play is to elim you and if we are wrong you’re VT so then I die and Gamma gets off another check win win.
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Post Post #2369 (isolation #405) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:09 am

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In post 2367, Dunnstral wrote:I think you are under the assumption that being "later" makes it more viable, but I don't believe that is the way S_S operates. I think he sets his crumbs early.
That’s not an incorrect assumption though lol

SS could think I will hide behind Cabd. Crumbs.
Nope Dunnstral better. Crumbs again.

Later is explicitly better
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #406) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:10 am

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In post 2366, Wisdom wrote:Unless we lim the blocker I dont think we're getting gamma checks
It’s shit like that that makes me want to elim you.

If Dunn flips town elim Wisdom tomorrow no excuses
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #407) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:12 am

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VOTE: Dunn

Yeah I heard enough.

Dunn is good for today and if he flips town go Wisdom

And if Dunn flips scum for the love of all that’s good consider Kyo for that defense of Dunn
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #408) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:14 am

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In post 2359, Critter wrote:
In post 2300, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2051, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2041, Dunnstral wrote:OK.

We can do different things tomorrow
I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.
This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.
This to me is a crumb.
Like this defense from Kyo is like stretching pasta noodles to the point of breaking badly.
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #409) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:18 am

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In post 2375, Wisdom wrote:Its bad but Im not sure it's because she wants to save Dunn. She could have hopped on me if so

@critter
Just consider her after I die. I do not think she is town here.
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Post Post #2378 (isolation #410) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:22 am

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Fair. Just please don’t “lock town” Kyo

She’s dodged giving reads this whole game practically with her BS tunnel
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Post Post #2413 (isolation #411) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:30 am

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That’s hogwash.

Even if we don’t get the roleblocker today they have to do shenanigans in order to get to Gamma and leave me alive another day.
With Dunn being very likely scum this means roleblocker won’t be useful unless multitasking.

So in the rare case gamma doesn’t get his check off we learn a lot

And PR or not informs what is likely the last checj.

You don’t have to say if you’re a PR that activates but PR/not PR should be done
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #412) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:51 am

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He could.

Or he could check you and M&M like I asked and checks two people in the PoE since he likely has this check or none left.

It’s about optimizing.

If he had limitless checks I would agree check me + someone one at a time.

But we don’t and we know I am a PR so it’s mostly a waste.
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Post Post #2416 (isolation #413) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:52 am

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So since I am gonna die your way only works if we mass claim to give Gamma cover for his checks.

So like ???

Checking two scummy people better than me + one scummy
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Post Post #2417 (isolation #414) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:53 am

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In post 2407, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:alright I've read now.
VOTE: Dunnstral

If this is red I'll leave Critter alone. If not, he needs to die toMorrow.
Like with how much I screamed PR I am surprised I am not dead already.
Be even more surprised if I make it to tomorrow.
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Post Post #2418 (isolation #415) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:53 am

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In post 2400, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2341, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2338, Towelie wrote:Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.
I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.
It's you or critter today and if either of you flip town it's the other tomorrow, barring any other believable crumbs
I get you want to not shoot me but you’re gonna. Just accept it.
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Post Post #2420 (isolation #416) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:57 am

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I get you think that but I mean…

If I go with you town she actively sabotaged the counter wagon pretty hard
Today she’s trying to save Dunn

Then arguing and setting up miselims

What exactly is she town for?
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #417) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:58 am

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I get she is efforting but effort != town
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #418) » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:37 am

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Major work day not sure what posting I will be able to do
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Post Post #2461 (isolation #419) » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:42 pm

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Hopefully we get a prod for EMMI soon?

Any questions before I likely die?
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Post Post #2462 (isolation #420) » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:43 pm

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In post 2449, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:UNVOTE:
Just want to give EMMI a chance to post a result if it has one, still on Dunn in spirit and will revote after EMMI has returned
Dunn is prob scum for disappearing this Unvote sucks
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Post Post #2467 (isolation #421) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 2463, Dunnstral wrote:Not scum, just tired of arguing and letting my flip speak for itself
Then if you’re town you’d leave reads.

EMMI needs a prod or replace soon or we should just hammer Dunn so game doesn’t get apathetic.
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Post Post #2480 (isolation #422) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:26 pm

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In post 1940, E. M. M. I. wrote:
@Mod: V/LA for 2 days
We’re at almost 8 days now.

EMMI really needs a replace.
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #423) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:24 pm

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In post 2498, Jada wrote:
In post 2497, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Jada, when you catch up, I have a hypothetical scenario that I think is the only way I'm gonna get to know your play fast enough to go into Day 3 feeling like I can play at a useful level. (Catchup posting is garbage for learning how people play, IMO.)

Let's say you get a magical dayvig shot at the time you catch up to this post. The catch is, you have to shoot in your townreads. Null or lower is off limits. Somehow you cannot lie to escape the conundrum -- it's magic, after all.

Who do you take down? Who's your deep wolf in this scenario?



Again, this is more to give me a feel for you, the player on the far side, than it is to get an actual read on your alignment. There's no right answer, there's no gotcha, I don't have enough brain power to set up one of those right now.
Right now, I would say Critter. That's not because of him being scum but him being so far off base that he'd be a threat to have around at end game. I wouldn't hero shot here with such a strong townblock.
…Just finish catching up.
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