In post 4557, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 4548, Ghostlin wrote:
It is much more likely if FTL is unlimited use,
1) He's not unlimited use.
In post 4548, Ghostlin wrote:
if you believe FTL is Town.
2) Do you think he's scum?
In post 4554, Ghostlin wrote:
It'd be like lynching Rach over Mala Day 1; they are both scummish, one of them is fucking less optimal than the other, but they're both decent plays.
3) Tell me again why AJ lynch is less optimal than lynching me?
In order:
1) It doesn't matter 100% if FTL is unlimited use or not for a reason I'll get to in my next point.
2) Two questions: Do you think it's likely I'd say what I'd say in
4555 if I seriously, for three fucking seconds that FTL was scum?
And how stupid do you think I fucking am if the answer to the first question is Yes?
Look. If scum had a investigative role in this game, Vanilla Cop would be much more likely than Inquisitor. And if I am to believe both claims (and I do), I would be remiss not to mention that, at least in passing. FTL's role doesn't necessarily clear them.
That said,
barring outside cases, FTL is more likely to be Town than Scum through play alone, and the role makes sense because scum has a sick amount of power by what's flipped. Rach can give out passives to other players (and there was no indication this was limited utility), Malakittens had a unlimited RB+1 shot redirect (useful for say, in case the two shot Vig attempted to shoot them), and everything else that's flipped or claimed in Town is either VT or limited use PRs except for Mastin + 1 or more other player(s) Mason ability which is confirmed Town to another player, chat abilities at night and essentially what amounts to Innocent Child when Mastin dies. The only other player with a permanent sustained ability is notscience, and he's an Innocent Child, and this hasn't helped his utility much beyond PoE/Town vote when/where we need it.
Hell, Mastin's one shot was a
fucking backup
. Which means someone had to
die
for it to be
useful
.
It is much more likely that scum has at one non-PR for balance's reasons/power's sake.
3) Bluntly, Nacho, I don't trust your reasons for being helpful. Up until we almost successfully got you run up, I can't name hardly any contribution to this game you've done. You went three game Days without being more flaky than a Grands biscuit and and now you've got the fucking unmitigated gall to ask me why I want you dead more than AJ, who I feel while scum, could possibly be just worse than you at this.
Hell, you compound that gall with asking me what's the scum evidence you're scum. Here's what I got: a slot I trust implicitly that's now dead had you as scum, you're trying to construct a narrative where non-PR=innocent so we continue to let you live after you've not done anything to earn it, and the fact that we're having this conversation means you've deviated from most of your other games with me to the
point we're having the conversation.
It's not real strong. I own that, but I seriously believe you're clever enough to just give me that as the things I get to hold onto for the reasoning for the lynch.
And then you pop out with the possibility that it's probably between AJ/BRO/Desp (which we knew), and that scum have all PRs, hence if you're VT you're cleared due to the magic of FTL. So, your only contributions have been to contribute to the PoE that's already been going on and to the narrative that clears you as scum, which there's a metric shit-ton of scum motivation behind. If for some miracle you survive this game Day, because I'm going to do my level best to continue to lynch you unless you give me excellent reasons why not, or the slots I do trust (judgment wise) in this game right now give me indications why I shouldn't (and so far, they've been 'full steam ahead' except for a compromise if I can't pull this off), there's no reason to attempt this now. AJ, in my mind would help resolve another slot of PoE and get rid of a scum team player that wouldn't be hard to lynch at any other time.
I seriously feel the resistance to your lynch is a good indication that we're on the right track (Mala) vs. being utterly wrong (Nick).