A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Friendless Seniors]

Hey EP

I know why you can only think of two scum reads

its my fault, because i recently changed medication and have been really irritable this past week.
i think i've already talked about this before but i'm not sure.
can i just mention how fucking angry this made me?

[Friendless Seniors]

tpp, you're being intentionally obtuse.

I scumread you more than axel. Axel has been a consistent read. You're missing that.

Axel dies today

[The Pied Piper]

I can talk with you, EP.
I'm looking at one of your catchup posts now.

[The Pied Piper]

tpp, you're being intentionally obtuse.

I scumread you more than axel. Axel has been a consistent read. You're missing that.

Axel dies today

Axel is a consistent read that you've had for a while but not mentioned at all despite mentioning and tunneling me constantly. And then, when you actually have the opportunity to lynch us, you back off.

[The Pied Piper]

"Axel is a consistent read" doesn't come close to touching my concerns on that.

[The Pied Piper]

I'm finding it hard to understand why cakez is being townread early game by, like, everyone.

Whose early townreads on Cakez were you having trouble understanding?

Mirhawk says "skybird's acting really weird" in 910, vote is on dave, just a thought
A Mirhawk scumflip means cerb is more town.

Mirhawk's dave scumread was his pet scumread for a while: do you think that it makes sense for him to swap votes onto Skybird if town?

Okay, so cakez might be town based on some of the later D1 stuff.
Axel being town based on later D1 stuff is coherent with Mirhawk being scum, I guess?

What was the later stuff that made you think Cakez/Axel might be town?

I want to say the worst vote on the dramonic wagon is probably podo.

Why did you dislike it? I thought that Podo's dislike of dramonic seemed pretty genuine and am having difficulty seeing a new player pushing through a policy lynch on as a tactic to be read as town and don't really see a newbie getting that clearly annoyed with a player like that if scum.

now i'm thinking that it's safe to say that both cakez and cerb should not get lynched anytime soon

Why do you think this?

[SirCakez]

Catching up, sorry IRL stuff came up so I can't be as active as I thought I could.

[SirCakez]

The vig mindset that you're also describing is also incredibly rare on this site or else Bad Idea mafia games wouldn't unfold in the same way every time. This is not my first assumption in a majority of cases. You're right that the vig could be limited-shot, but I don't really think that this is incredibly likely. Us being convinced that Cakez is the vig explains where we were coming from when we crumbed to explain to him specifically but isn't relevant to anything else unless you really want me to outline why I think that Cakez is the vig, which wouldn't be the most anti-town thing that I've done this game.

I've already said I'm not the Vig, not sure why you're still arguing over this.

[dramonic]

shhhh, Nacho's right.

[The Pied Piper]

Nacho, I really don't understand you right now. You say things like these and then you say that Axel is scum.
I don't want you dead today. I want Axel to get lynched. I think an Axel townflip begs for a mirhawk/dramonic vi

My problem with compromising right now is that I feel like my reasons for your slot being scum are a lot stronger for my reasons for any other slot being town and I don't want to compromise and shuffle off to another lynch to face the same thing tomorrow because this game is not really fun for me or Plot at the moment. If I felt better about the game, if I didn't think that you guys were that strong of scumreads, then I'd be a hell of a lot more willing to compromise. Hell, even if hiplop just calmed the hell down and posted something that even seemed vaguely town, I'd be more willing to compromise.

Axel in particular feels like a bad compromise target to me as well because he's someone I'm not confident in reading that well and he's someone who seems genuinely lost, and is someone who I think could look a lot better once he found his footing in the game. I also haven't really been reading this game that closely and don't have a lot of reads I feel confident enough to compromise on right now.

But then again- you don't think that this town is large enough for the both of us.
That's fine. You want Axel dead, right? I want axel dead. I don't understand this attitude of "if axel is scum, he'll get lynched eventually." In fact, I really don't like that attitude.
If you want, then the hypothetical vig-that-still-has-bullets-left can decide our fates.

If the hypothetical vig wasn't townreading both of us, I'd feel better in leaving it at that, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Do you want to talk to me about anything that I've said? Not hiplop- me.

The only thing that I need from you is more stuff - I don't really need big walls, I just need you to dive in and think about what's going on in this game a little bit more. It's frustrating because I understand where you're coming from and I realize that it's incredibly difficult for you to post some things and somehow undo my read on hiplop, but I'm not really sure what other approach that we could take here.

[SirCakez]

We can't fucking lynch Axel today, I agree he's scum but there's no time to move all the votes to him. He can die tomorrow.

[The Pied Piper]

Although one thing that I've been wondering about - have you talked to hiplop about Mirhawk at all? Has hiplop talked to you about me specifically at all? What's been said there?

[The Pied Piper]

Cakez, why are you townreading hiplop?

[pistachi0n]

UNVOTE: Mirhawk
VOTE: Piper

Why do you keep unvoting Mirhawk? We have less than a day left.

Would you vote FS if it was viable?

Absolutely. FS is my first choice of lynch, but I'm a lot more scared of a no lynch than I am of lynching town.

Will you be around near deadline?

Yes, but no way in hell am I switching unless FS already has more votes.

[The Pied Piper]

I don't think Axel is scum, and Hiplop's recent posts have been town as fuck so I'm not going there.

What has been town about hiplop's most recent posts?

[The Pied Piper]

I'm quoting this as well:

There are only four truly horrible games that I can remember: Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Pikmin,

Fire Emblem: Awakening

, and SMITE.

Fuck you Nacho. That was a cool game and it's where I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

The setup was cool. The game was not.

[The Pied Piper]

I am sorry if you found something special in that game and good for you if you did but that game was a shitshow.

[The Pied Piper]

I wouldnt lynch myself over them but I also wouldnt WANT to lynch my town read

but they aren't a townread for him

[Dwlee99]

i haven't read the last like 3 pages but we're lynching tpp right?

[The Pied Piper]

UNVOTE: Mirhawk
VOTE: Piper

Cerb, what made you think that Ogre was townreading us?

[The Pied Piper]

It was the crumbing/soft-claiming in the first place, plus the (butthurt although i've been told not to say that in previous games) followed by the "reveal" which is worrying.

We've explained part of why we crumbed what we did when we did. I understand why the reveal was irritating, but I don't understand how it's worrying, considering how I play as scum in general.

[The Pied Piper]

Not voting piper or Mirhawk ftr

Vote FS, please.

[Mirhawk]

Mirhawk's wagon looks like really good?

What? Oh god no. Every scumread I have is on me.

You can't honestly think Cerb, Pip, and Cakez are good solid town players.

[The Pied Piper]

Hi Mirhawk! I responded a bunch to your posts - would you mind responding to them ASAP since I'm around and other people aren't? <3

[Mirhawk]

All that exchange did is make me slightly more confident if we moved to FS today but still Mirhawk is always going to be my top lynch.

omg pip why?