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↑ copper223 wrote:@CoA
If that is what Tier ment, he gave those two poor blokes very little time to scumhunt before calling them out.

That's a fair assessment.

↑ copper223 wrote:The parallel is you also championed Lynx town when it was strange to do so,

Did we? Where?

↑ copper223 wrote: as for what Lynx did he told us himself he planned to get himself lynched then realized that was the wrong way to go about it so there is not much to speculate to be made there.

In 75 (the post I started townreading him in) he said he'd be lynched by 'townread players.' Tricking scum into voting him would be counterproductive. I dont see where he said he was trying to do so.

Ignoring boo for a while yet.

@CoA

↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:A roadmap to victory. Don't be scared. It'll all make sense once I pass the threshold.

Telling us lynching him is the way to go

↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:

I wasn't sure how to convey my desire to be lynched.

I do feel its the best course of action though. We can socialize some more til then and see what the quiet people have to offer.

I also stated my negative utility.

Explaining what he was doing

↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:I had a thought process that I realized was stupid so I decided to start being more direct..

When asked about his previous post and the "townread" business you mentioned by me, clearly getting lynched was his gameplan and then he reconsidered and decided to be more direct about it (by claiming).

As for you guys, that post from TTH where she accuses me of being scum for close mindedness, because I'm considering scum Lynx or town Lynx that wants us to lynch him, but excluding just awkward town Lynx making supposedly dumb comments inadvertedly.

↑ Bookitty wrote:The accusations you've made of me basically amount to "She's playing like town so obviously she's scum."

Yeah, you're kind of saying it for me. You're playing town. It's a simulation though because it's all fluff and no stuff.
-TTH

↑ Bookitty wrote:Okay, I've been rereading this for about five minutes because I was certain I must be misreading it. Being conciliatory is a towntell? SERIOUSLY?

You're townreading copper anyway, why is it relevant?
-TTH

↑ Bookitty wrote:You've (deliberately?) given me nothing I could address and pointed out no specifics that support your read.

You nothing specific. There's 69 posts in your ISO, but from what I can tell you think we're scum by self-admitted OMGUS and Madea is scum because they're lurking. The townreads are liberally given but the scumreads are subdued and lack impact. Makes it all the more easy to reverse when the shoe drops on the census.
-TTH

↑ CaskOfAmontillado wrote:

↑ Bookitty wrote:You've (deliberately?) given me nothing I could address and pointed out no specifics that support your read.

You

have

nothing specific. There's 69 posts in your ISO, but from what I can tell you think we're scum by self-admitted OMGUS and Madea is scum because they're lurking. The townreads are liberally given but the scumreads are subdued and lack impact. Makes it all the more easy to reverse when the shoe drops on the census.
-TTH

Aren't you doing basically the same thing with me though? You are scum reading me because you don't have an opinion of me.

No

Oh, also didn't realize the TTH head was talking right now. My question was more directed at Sthar.

But it makes more sense from the view point of him posting those last few things.

My picks are actually Bookitty, Catastrophe, and Madea.
-TTH

Preview Edit: It also makes sense for him to sign his posts with "-TTH"?

No, I was being blind apparently. Also, I didn't mean your post, I meant my comment and question about it made more sense when I thought he wrote it... I'm just going to go be embarrassed about reading comprehension in the corner now...

@TTH
Lol, I am coming around a bit though, Boo's reads were also partially OMGUS driven and she did buddy up hard to her town reads in our town game as well, but that "notice the CoA Copper connection" comment she made doesn't really make sense if she has such a solid townread on me as she keeps telling you.

Why did you change your mind on TSO?

I'm relying on sthar for the TSO read. If he's not townreading him by now, he's probably not town. Next!

-TTH

Why is not Ghato Boo a thing for you?

↑ fferyllt wrote:

Krystal Bald has been prodded.

*Waves.*

↑ CaskOfAmontillado wrote:

↑ TierShift wrote:Let's lynch cao!
Do it!

hey i think u forgot 2 vote here brah

hey brah my vote doesn't count brah
Or to quote yourself:

Read better pls

↑ TierShift wrote:I disagree, TTH. We should try our best to make the division as uneven as possible. We ideally aim for 0 scum in the lynch wagon, but 1 is pretty decent. That means 2 scum in the remaining...what...4 players?

This math confuses me. 13 living players, 7 on the wagon. That means five remaining players. Six if Lynx self-votes, which is bad. Not that I disagree, but why are we getting different numbers?

hey brah my vote doesn't count brah

@Tier- are you gonna fake a cop guilty on me this game?

Oh...what was that game again?

↑ copper223 wrote:Tier said that his logic for why he called FTL and Kthx particularly scummy at RVS

I called ftl scummy?

Boo, what are your current reads?

↑ copper223 wrote:When asked about his previous post and the "townread" business you mentioned by me, clearly getting lynched was his gameplan and then he reconsidered and decided to be more direct about it (by claiming).

Right but I dont see that as 'trying to get scum players to vote me.'

↑ copper223 wrote:As for you guys, that post from TTH where she accuses me of being scum for close mindedness, because I'm considering scum Lynx or town Lynx that wants us to lynch him, but excluding just awkward town Lynx making supposedly dumb comments inadvertedly.

I'd have to ask her, but I thought TTH was being aggressive with you so that she could develop a read quickly.

↑ TierShift wrote:hey brah my vote doesn't count brah

I know, but weren't you voting anyway to leave a record? Why would you push my lynch but not want your opinion on record?

↑ TierShift wrote:hey brah my vote doesn't count brah

But you're still a player in the game, right? You have an alignment and all that? Why would you not having a vote affect the number of unscanned players?

↑ BRantz wrote:Aren't you doing basically the same thing with me though? You are scum reading me because you don't have an opinion of me.

I'm scum reading you because you're not proactive enough to have given me an opinion. Boo appears to be trying to be townread without actually doing anything worth townreading.

-sthar

EBWOP: boo can wait till tomorrow because she was rude.

Town for sure:

Policy Lynch
LynxKuroneko
Ghatokaca

Probably town:

Catastrophe
Brantz
Tiershift

Meh town:

Krystal Bald
Kthxbye
Copper223

Lean scum (because of dumping a vote and then disappearing):

Faster than Light

Scum for sure:

Cask of Amontillado
Medea the Alien

One reason for copper sliding down my list I can't talk about. The other reason is that he HAS been conciliatory and sort of wishy-washy about CoA while at the same time snapping at Tiershift. Something seems off there.

As for a case on CoA:

He attacks Krystal and threatens them for supposedly faking a post restriction. Apparently both heads are in agreement about this being faked and TTH thinks it means Krystal is scum.

Attacks copper, then distances from that in Post 96 by claiming they were drunk when they posted it.

Sniping at copper for a while about Krystal's post restriction and Lynx. The arguments about Krystal AND Lynx felt really forced (see Post 97, Post 100 - Post 101 until Post 106 and Post 108 when CoA reiterates their suspicion of Krystal. There's never an explanation of why faking a post restriction in a highly flavoured game is alignment indicative, but that's mainly what they chose to focus on.

In Post 233 we discover that CoA has a mild townread on Krystal despite the fact that he says two paragraphs earlier: "I don't know you well enough to decide whether you'd do something so horrifically anti-town just to make your role more interesting, and better safe than sorry." He says nothing about Lynx in that post.

This speaks for itself, since Lynx was essentially asking to be lynched and asking us to trust him to use his role correctly:

↑ CaskOfAmontillado wrote:My problem with Boo is exactly the same as why copper's townreading her, minus the meta. Town should be looking at the Lynx claim and saying 'But wouldn't it be better to lynch scum?' Scum are the ones who should be thinking 'That forwards my win condition!' and withholding the vote is a great way to look helpful without actually being such.

I can't help feeling that no matter what I had done, CoA would have found a way to interpret it as scummy. I read it the same way as the sniping at copper. I don't know what that means, though. The conciliatory comment is really bothering me. I thought that copper was town because I thought that CoA was scum; I'm not so sure now.

And yeah, I could go on and on about Post 281 (she talks about and to Lynx too much and she doesn't have fully developed reads on day one) and Post 283 she didn't vote town soon enough. CoA criticises me for not giving refined reads at a time when he'd barely given any at all. And then look at Post 564 for a delightful contrast. Gee, those aren't skeletal reads at all.

I felt that CoA wasn't really paying attention to Lynx at first and trying to figure out what was going on. CoA's attacks on me for deciding to trust Lynx and waiting to vote until I had better reads on people overall is also pinging my scumdar -- if I'd voted as soon as I decided Lynx was town and should be allowed to use his role the way he wanted, that would have been the excuse for CoA.

And ninja'd: I am sorry if you felt I was rude. I think your comment about conciliatory being a towntell is funny. I think your whole behaviour around copper is weird and has been getting weirder as the game progresses. It does not fit with the facts I think I have.

↑ CaskOfAmontillado wrote:But you're still a player in the game, right? You have an alignment and all that? Why would you not having a vote affect the number of unscanned players?

Me voting means 8p on the wagon and 4p off the wagon
Me not voting means 7p on the wagon and 5p off the wagon
As said, vote doesn't count.

@CoA
What Lynx said about getting scum to vote for him, that "you will regret getting me lynched" was part of his strategy to get himself lynched, I don't think there was another meaning intended.

I don't buy the reaction test, TTH was calling me scum there.

@Tier
Purloined said those jumping on Lynx are far scummier than Lynx himself, those players are FTL and Kthxbye.

@Boo
I've been wishy-washy in the sense that my read on CoA has ranged from scum to null, I don't want to write off an asset like TTH (Sthar seems good too) unless I am really convinced they are scum because I've seen the benefits for town she can bring, it's a fair point though. Being conciliatory if that's what I'm doing is not a scumtell for me, I think I was equally open in 1551.

Your objections are valid but the speed with which you changed your read on me from yesterday is a bit worrisome, I still think Boo is likely town and I like the case on CoA you made.

↑ copper223 wrote:I've been wishy-washy in the sense that my read on CoA has ranged from scum to null, I don't want to write off an asset like TTH (Sthar seems good too) unless I am really convinced they are scum because I've seen the benefits for town she can bring, it's a fair point though. Being conciliatory if that's what I'm doing is not a scumtell for me, I think I was equally open in 1551.

Your objections are valid but the speed with which you changed your read on me from yesterday is a bit worrisome, I still think Boo is likely town and I like the case on CoA you made.

I'm experiencing some paranoia about you; I just bet you can guess why. I asked Cask about their read on you and they ignored it altogether more than once; if they were really reading my posts, I think they would have seen this repeated question. Then they move you to town on their list at a time I find odd.

By my lights, BRantz has produced more readable and relevant content than CoA. Tiershift too, despite his lack of a vote and his loss of a hydra partner. Yet when Tiershift says something mildly negative about Lynx you snapped at him; when CoA does the same to BRantz (and apparently hurts his feelings) that doesn't even merit a blip on your screen. I don't understand the different treatment of these two events, especially when the second seems a lot worse to me.

To the word conciliatory: It's a buzzword. Including it in his townread of you indicates one of a very few things to me. 1) He's going to point back to that and say, "But I said he was conciliatory! Clearly it wasn't a clear read! at some point later 2) He was in a hurry to get his reads out suddenly despite a lack of interest in that throughout the rest of the game (he was "catching up" during the last flurry of postings, remember) or 3) he doesn't understand that conciliatory is a popular catchphrase for scummy. I'm dismissing 3 for now.

I've had the ongoing feeling that CoA is not really reading the game and is just snap-reacting to things without a clear context. I of course see that most clearly in the attacks on me, but I think it's evident in a lot of other things as well.

Can you explain how your read has evolved on CoA? You say it's ranged from scum to null; can you show posts that explain your changing read?

@Boo
Sure I get it, in fact the missing paranoia at the start had me a bit worried, but that is also clear to me now.

Saying a player did not make an impression is relative to the reader, it's not up to BRantz to impress CoA so if it's an insult, which I don't believe it is, it's more a self insult on CoA for being unable to read anything out of BRantz, Tier saying Lynx is a weak player so he should not be neighborized, when he did not have much of a clue about what Lynx was doing in the first place, just annoyed me, both facts are not really alignment indicative though, the reasons why I'm giving special care to Tier are:

- His opener suggests he knows more about Lynx than he should have (same problem I have with CoA).

- He coasted during mid D1 and received unjustified (in my opinion) townreads based on his role from numerous people, I'm always suspicious of people getting townreads like this because it may come from scum thinking of getting easy towncred if he is town (cause it looks obvious to them when it's not that he's actually is town) or from scum pushing a buddy in the town circle, I don't see much of a motive for town to do so other than being obtuse (which tbf happens more often than you'd wish) or maybe having a better understanding of ffery's setups as mod and making a more educated guess than I can.

- Once people started to call him out for it his activity level changed substantially but the questions he was asking implied he wasn't thinking too deeply about what was going on and he kind of role fished on Lynx before commiting to the lynch amd trying to push his vote on the wagon.

I'll give you the CoA quotes as soon as I'm close to a pc, I think I explained my shifts when they happened if you want to ISO me im the mean time.