In post 170, Impoetic wrote:Let me rephrase: this is antitown because I am town risking letting people pile on a vote 7 pages in that most likely wouldn't flip scum, and then getting fosed for it, leading to potentially burning out multiple MLs due to my incompetence if it had happened.
If I were mafia, I'd be risking trading myself for a quicklynch d1, the day I imagine it's
least
suboptimal to quicklynch because flips help town and i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia anyway. What's the scum thought process in doing that intentionally?
I can only imagine your argument is that I don't care who is lynched therefore I'm scum, but to that I'd point out that scum's first goal in the game -- or one of them, anyway -- is to look like they care who is lynched.
This feels contrived and feels like really bad WIFOM.
I don't agree with this reasoning, I also don't like how he didn't vote for his scum read.
In post 195, rb wrote:how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh
This feels really off, he's town reading TTTT for reasons that he thinks he's the scummiest player to vote. I don't sense a rxn test happening, seems more like a scum POV post laughing at town.
Haha no i'm pretty sure you can read me in forum mafia
why are you jumping on a mislynch when the person being voted is trying to contribute and the person doing the voting is half-assedly misconstruing every single thing I say and talking like I'm confscum when he's barely read me and I haven't had time to be conf-anything
you're better than this
I agree with this post. I don't understand the TTTT read here still.
Done w/ Page 12, will finish the rest tomorrow.
So far I like: Drone and Imp
Don't like: rb, transcend, sesq, and kohai.
In post 195, rb wrote:how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh
Needless to say that some in this wagon were honest RVS, some an easy way for scum to jump in a wagon for a push, and open pathway for future LAMIST!
In post 203, Sesq wrote:I looked over the post orders and if you look at it closely, Impo was already unvoting before someone voted her, but she got ninja'd. My other points were just "off" things, that are more gut. Still can't understand you half the flippin time. Drealmerz seems to be doing a lot of misrepping and also 171, which does come across as scummy, but I don't feel comfortable voting it yet. So I'll stick to UNVOTE: . Yes, I'm aware how much I'm voteshifting. It's how I play/think/smell/eat pizza.
PEDIT: rb, your wagon was mostly a jokewagon, which was in of itself fairly NAI. A lot of unvotes were also due to new people coming up and being scummier (instead of just jumping off a fading wagon).
PEDIT: my beliefs continue to be confirmed by the above posts
In post 211, Impoetic wrote:you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario
That's gonna be a "When mathematical analysis goes wrong"
Are you seriously town reading someone because statistically they are more likely to be town? Wtf?
In post 240, TTTT wrote:@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.
Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.
In post 241, TTTT wrote:@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...
Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.
In post 54, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town
No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just
VOTE: ssbm
In post 94, rb wrote:we should have more ssbm votes tbh
sesq is probably town rn
In post 111, rb wrote:you can start by changing your vote to ssbm
In post 116, rb wrote:super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh
In post 244, rb wrote:scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now
But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.
Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".
And that's why TTTT is scum guys!
Specifically for these two posts.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:28 pm
by Drone
The sharp change in Ironstove, much refreshing should I say.
The choice of quotes as basis for a townread are wise,
The choice of quotes as basis for a townread are thoughtful.
Walk with me through a magical path, read into Shannon's being.
Do you like what you sense?
I was saying to myself that I wanted to stop doubleposting for less clutter by not impulsively clicking SUBMIT when I still have more thoughts, and it ends up making a mess. This is a terrible representation of a minor post
So you're in total disagreement with my town and scum reads so far? You think transcend is more towny than scummy from your POV?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:31 am
by iamafluffyrabbit
the sesq and drealmerz things seem like nonsense
i dont agree with your characterization of the TTTT post
the kohai sus is ok
my impression of drone is that i generally like him but idk about your reasoning
also im gonna slank for awhile now
V/LA until at least thursday, sorry
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:51 am
by ironstove
Mostly caught up now, AMA
Spoiler:
In post 329, iamafluffyrabbit wrote:speaking of which i cant really keep stove in my scum pile because him being mostly disengaged is more likely town; at least i know he used to want to play scum more. could've changed since then though.
i'll reread and do impressions of other players tomorrow, gotta sleep soon.
That's not really true, you can look at my town games here if you're interested, and my scum games, I'm actually never this lurky, except when I'm on vacation which has only happened once besides this time. I want to lay out the disclaimer that my playstyle kind of changes over time, but I'll lay out my games in order, as you can see I'm a spectacular player:
And that's it, I believe for my completed games here. I bookmark every game I join, and I placed all of my closed games in an archive. Anyway, you'll notice that the game I was the most lurky in was 1735 and 1738 between Sept 6th to the 25th which was when I went on vacation traveling.
Even then, you can't really say that I have low activity levels, even in my scum game. I post quite frequently, and end game always slows down, if you look at the end game for Normal 656, or Newbie 1730, both town games which I was around for completion, my posting slows down dramatically, mainly because I'm waiting on responses and there really isn't much to post during those times.
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If you examine Transcend in 1751: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68854 his town ISO feels COMPLETELY different from this game. Also you can look over Transcend's past game as scum and see how good he is at wolfing if you look over his ISO:
Coincidence? Probably not. I think this is a scum tick.
Kohai and LUV have not been easy to read, they appear like scum slots. LUV has a history of being mislynched as town, his past games as town show him being D1/D2 mislynched as VT, while Kohai has 0 games to look at. It's a new account and I'm sure he's a smurf by how familiar he is with this site and it's mechanics.
In post 478, Kohai wrote:
Ah I understand. For the record, I have far more thoughts that I want to post. The only issue is that I have to phonepost until tomorrow night; therefore, my posts will not be as in depth as i would prefer them to be.
He makes this post but you look at his ISO following, 48 hours later and he doesn't make any content to follow up like he said he would, then announces V/LA...
i dont agree with your characterization of the TTTT post
the kohai sus is ok
my impression of drone is that i generally like him but idk about your reasoning
also im gonna slank for awhile now
V/LA until at least thursday, sorry
I hadn't fully caught up yet with the game, I actually changed my read of sesq as I read further on and I'm null on TTTT, he's playing a little differently than his scum game, but maybe that's because he knows I'm here again and I fos'd him immediately on D1
Right now my scum list is {transcend, rb, kohai}.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:56 am
by ironstove
My 700 was more me posting my thoughts as I was catching up, not necessarily full reads which is why I did not place a vote at the time, you can look at 711 above if you want to see where and why I'm voting.
In post 195, rb wrote:how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh
Needless to say that some in this wagon were honest RVS, some an easy way for scum to jump in a wagon for a push, and open pathway for future LAMIST!
In post 203, Sesq wrote:I looked over the post orders and if you look at it closely, Impo was already unvoting before someone voted her, but she got ninja'd. My other points were just "off" things, that are more gut. Still can't understand you half the flippin time. Drealmerz seems to be doing a lot of misrepping and also 171, which does come across as scummy, but I don't feel comfortable voting it yet. So I'll stick to UNVOTE: . Yes, I'm aware how much I'm voteshifting. It's how I play/think/smell/eat pizza.
PEDIT: rb, your wagon was mostly a jokewagon, which was in of itself fairly NAI. A lot of unvotes were also due to new people coming up and being scummier (instead of just jumping off a fading wagon).
PEDIT: my beliefs continue to be confirmed by the above posts
In post 211, Impoetic wrote:you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario
That's gonna be a "When mathematical analysis goes wrong"
Are you seriously town reading someone because statistically they are more likely to be town? Wtf?
In post 240, TTTT wrote:@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.
Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.
In post 241, TTTT wrote:@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...
Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.
In post 54, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town
No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just
VOTE: ssbm
In post 94, rb wrote:we should have more ssbm votes tbh
sesq is probably town rn
In post 111, rb wrote:you can start by changing your vote to ssbm
In post 116, rb wrote:super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh
In post 244, rb wrote:scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now
But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.
Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".
And that's why TTTT is scum guys!
Specifically for these two posts.
don't these posts make the flip off of me seem really odd to you? I felt like the flip was
really
fast, and if i did something that made me realistically obvtown to everyone who had previously SRed me where I wasn't until that point, I'm too dumb to figure it out on my own. I'm not an expert on VCA but I feel like some of those flips were scummy, and this is one of them.
Also whoever said you were misrepping sesq earlier (either fluffyrabbit or Roxy herself) was right.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:05 am
by Impoetic
drealmerz and sesq are two people i'm currently townleaning
sesq is far less of a serious read though, so i guess that's more null now. Nothing particularly scummy except for the lack of scummy things/standing out in general to me recently compared to earlier on.
I wouldn't be opposed to joining the luv wagon either
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:09 am
by Impoetic
I feel like transcend is scum this game but last time I was SURE his tone was like that of his scumgame, i found out I was jumping to conclusions from too small a sample size, and he was town and had played far better than I had
so i'm really hesitant to push on and vote him today just for like, tone/LAMIST/disliking his reads
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:20 am
by ironstove
No, I didn't find that flip to be too fast.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:34 am
by Transcend
Ur wrong
Don't try to meta me.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:38 am
by ironstove
Nice panic response. So it's you + rb. Ez game.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:11 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 714, Impoetic wrote:if i did something that made me realistically obvtown to everyone who had previously SRed me where I wasn't until that point, I'm too dumb to figure it out on my own.
It wasn't any one post that made me think "Yeah, she's probably not a lynch today." It was the entirety of the conversation with rabbit that initially got me thinking this way. At first you did look scummy with all the wallposts that looked kinda scum AtE-esque, but the more I saw you post the more genuine it looked. I was fine following fluffy's read based on that since he seems the most town to me now and he seemed the most town to me then. You've done more things to solidify that TR since and I don't think anyone
should
be trying to lynch you today. It's possible that there were scum on your wagon at the time that hopped off because they realized that the town on your wagon were starting to TR you though. So people would get off your wagon whether they were town or not imo. I just skimmed the VCs and only saw Sesq, Kohai, Transcend, and ironstove on you but I could have sworn I was voting you.
Just checked myself, I was definitely voting you for about 12 hrs, mod must've been asleep,
post sinks
It was like page 17/18 and I was convinced by what rabbit was saying about how "scum can't fake interactions that fast" (unless you rehearsed that with rabbit in daytalk PT and I don't see rabbit as scum right now at all), that's like right where I was at.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:29 am
by ironstove
So Transcend, is Shannon still your strongest scum read? You want to see her lynched today because you're positive she's scum, right?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:43 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
Iron:
My first four games on here I got mislynched because I was trying a ton of new things at once rather than just adding things to my game slowly. I stopped doing that the first time I rolled scum and ever since then I haven't been what many would consider lynchbait. I can give you a completed town and scum game that accurately describes how I play since I play relatively the same as either alignment.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:05 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
Is everyone scum reading Kohai for failing to deliver on his promises? Do you guys think he's trying to stall for 6-10 days?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:31 pm
by TTTT
@iron
I thought you called in sick to work.
why'd you stop posting yesterday?
