Join me in sleeping on a Vladivostok schedule while living in the AmericasIn post 916, Formerfish wrote:This is fucking trash. I've been laying in bed wide awake for the last like 3 hours tossing and turning because I should go to bed and be normal, but I literally can't fall asleep.
I think I might get up and drink a red bull.
Discuss
Last thing before painting time! This part of the case kept niggling at me.In post 830, Tuxedo Mask wrote:This is a weird question. Why not ask him to justify them now? This feels like you have clocked an easy push and are just holding back for an opportune moment.In post 92, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?
Fair.In post 927, Nauci wrote:city at the very eastern end of Russia
thanks. i will try it now.In post 902, votato wrote:you should use the "preview post" function to see what your posts will look like before posting.
I plagiarized you? sorry!Nauci wrote:@Freddie: Did I successfully pick out the parts of this comment that YOU wrote? I was so extremely confused by the formatting screw up that I'm putting this here to potentially help clarify for anybody elseIn post 886, Freddiethelady wrote:In post 830, Tuxedo Mask wrote:In post 116, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus seems too sloppy to be suspicious but it could be an act.
I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on. I’m not sure why she jumped on the gibus wagon either. I’d love to hear an explanation since it could be AI.i was trying to sound clever. it was a really stupid comment that was sparked because of a misunderstanding of who was new. i honestly thought there mods would put one or two SE's with a bunch of newbies and i thought she might be one of them...boy was a wrong about the newbie to SE proportions. yes, it was a rocky start! i was trying to take the advice of a form that said (im paraphrasing) 'share your thoughts and don't be afraid of being wrong occasionally. it helps the game if you try to be genuine and explore your thoughts and observations.'
I still don't think this has been answered. It seems like the start of Freddie's Lilith read, which is pretty rocky ground.
Applying your thought process here, have you uncovered subtle hints in what people are saying? And would agree that applying this logic to your own posts would read them as scummy?In post 104, Freddiethelady wrote:I’m trying to learn the distinction also. its like throwing darts at a wall. I think the simple answer is that scum will try to be as inconspicuous as possible. Paying close attention to what a person says and how they say can Give you subtle hints. I’m not good at this yet but a healthy dose of skepticism will help you start to weed out leading clues vs gibberish. It’s not rocket surgery but it does take some practice.
i've been trying to. i think confirmation bias is easily applied here because clearly youre less than impressed. ill get better at the rocket surgery asap!
This is a weird question. Why not ask him to justify them now? This feels like you have clocked an easy push and are just holding back for an opportune moment.In post 92, Freddiethelady wrote:Gibus you’re like a ping pong ball with your votes. It’s looking sloppy and thoughtless. At some point I’m going to ask you to justify that. Are you prepared to do that?
justify now? as in this moment?
This happened 7 irl days ago, and over HALF the game ago. Yet they have still done nothing with this. Where is the evidence Freddie? Where are the reads?In post 345, Freddiethelady wrote: Lilith hasn’t posted much lately, has she? I wonder why. Ive been suspicious of her without being able to collect my thoughts or any evidence (if in fact there is any) against her yet.
i don't know yet. i do like her. i like her questions and observations and i loved how she ate fried fish during her arguments with him. what say you @lilith? how can i engage you or anyone better?
So reading Freddie I don't find scum hunting, it is mostly excuses and questions about site stuff. There is very little pushes or curiosity. I also read through their ISO of Newbie 1997 and they feel very different there. For one, they replaced into that game and have nearly as many posts there as they do here. And in that game, they don't seem nearly as lost and unsure, constantly pursuing things and asking questions. This really feels like scum that doesn't know what to say.
VOTE: Freddietheladyi know im sus, its okay. its easy to pick on low hanging fruit isn't it especially when you subbed into the slot you did? copycat was pretty anxious
P.S. I'm feeling plagiarized right about now
I was paraphrasing.Formerfish wrote:I suggest not misrepresenting my words when they are as eloquently crafted as my posts can be.In post 908, Formerfish wrote:Huh... Is that what I said though?In post 893, Freddiethelady wrote:he just said 'freddie, youre sus cause you changed your mind'.
cool! that's the first time someone has indicated i *might* know what im doing here! lets just go a head and move my experience to SE...its damn near perfectIn post 907, Formerfish wrote:You can't call yourself low hanging fruit. If you do then it indicates you know what you're doing is subpar for town, yet are still doing it anyways for some reason.In post 886, Freddiethelady wrote:i know im sus, its okay. its easy to pick on low hanging fruit isn't it especially when you subbed into the slot you did? copycat was pretty anxious
I agree that it's little blurbs like this that you probably feel is how town should react, but it's really really not.
Oh, okay. to clarify (he means FF not tux) FF was scum reading me for unvoting ironcat? but then why did FF vote for me right after?Nauci wrote:I think you're misinterpreting (or mischaracterizing) again hereIn post 893, Freddiethelady wrote:I didn't think my explanation was a 'sudden abandonment'...it took me days to come to that, i said that, and i didn't vote someone else...where as FF did. he just said 'freddie, youre sus cause you changed your mind'. is that how we role? that points to a lot of scummy people here - im newbie, he isn't. im being thoughtful. he shouldn't be given a get out of jail free card for that one, in my opinion.In post 877, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I think this is a pretty simplistic view of the game. Town is ignorant and paranoid, shifting focus, and constantly pursuing new leads is part of why I town read FF. Do you really think it is that simple to catch scum? That ScumFF would immediately abandon a lynch he wants because you moved off? Or is it more likely that Town!FF who has a lot less info, and don't actually know Cat's alignment, but only has suspicions would suddenly be MORE suspicious of your sudden abandonment of the wagon?In post 871, Freddiethelady wrote:"Do you think that Formerfish would have hopped off of the wagon to attack the person who left the wagon just before him whether it was your or Lilith interchangeably?"
@nauci that was what I was trying to figure out. I explained why i unvoted ironcat and fishy immediately abandoned his suspicions of ironcat to vote me. i really didn't know what to make of that, except that he wasn't committed to his vote, or he and his scumbuddy were just trying to lynch anyone...i suspect a sloppy move like that it would be a newbie thing to do, but fishy is obviously not newbie so it leaves the alternative. am i missing something?
and no, i definitely don't think finding scum is that easy. you seem to think it is though - youre picking on the new kid saying im clever enough to be scum....while i appreciate the comment, i think lots of people here can see youre just wrong on this one.
Tuxedo was saying that you shouldn't have scumread FF for what he did, not that he's scum reading you for it in that specific part
3 people on a wagon puts pressure on the person being run up.In post 935, Freddiethelady wrote:but then why did FF vote for me right after?
1. why did i explain it until now or why wasn't it obvious to me when i made the comment? ill answer both to save time: because i was too embarrassed to admit how stupid that comment was and im not sure why it wasn't obvious to me when i made the comment. i don't really know how to go back in time to point out why i didn't notice something...it just didn't didn't occur to me.In post 904, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Hey, look at our join dates. I'm as new around these parts as you are. I'm taking other's thoughts into consideration, it's why I'm asking them to give me a more in-depth explanation into your slot. But I also want to be better and standing with my reads, so I'm not ready to drop this yet. Though the antagonism between us is something I'm not enjoying, so I'd rather that get dropped as we continue discussing.In post 893, Freddiethelady wrote: and no, i definitely don't think finding scum is that easy. you seem to think it is though - youre picking on the new kid saying im clever enough to be scum....while i appreciate the comment, i think lots of people here can see youre just wrong on this one.
1: Thanks for the honesty, the amount of SEs seems like a weird assumption to make. It's public knowledge. Why did it take you so long to say this?In post 898, Freddiethelady wrote: I still don't think this has been answered. It seems like the start of Freddie's Lilith read, which is pretty rocky ground.
here are the comments i made when i messed up (sorry again!)
i was trying to sound clever. it was a really stupid comment that was sparked because of a misunderstanding of who was new. i honestly thought there mods would put one or two SE's with a bunch of newbies and i thought she might be one of them...boy was a wrong about the newbie to SE proportions. yes, it was a rocky start! i was trying to take the advice of a form that said (im paraphrasing) 'share your thoughts and don't be afraid of being wrong occasionally. it helps the game if you try to be genuine and explore your thoughts and observations.'
i've been trying to. i think confirmation bias is easily applied here because clearly youre less than impressed. ill get better at the rocket surgery asap!
justify now? as in this moment?
i don't know yet. i do like her. i like her questions and observations and i loved how she ate fried fish during her arguments with him. what say you @lilith? how can i engage you or anyone better?
2: I meant at that moment? Why not just as Gibus to justify his votes as he was making them, not saying you will later.
3: Well it sounds like you do know. Do you think that lilith being better at arguing than Fish is town indictive? Or just playstyle?
No, you're shading me. Being "low hanging fruit" is not a defense of your actions. You're essentially scum reading me for scum reading you. Then you also throw Copy Cat under the bus, when it didn't even seem like you were scum reading them before. Who are you scum reading?In post 900, Freddiethelady wrote:was i shading myself? lolIn post 896, Tuxedo Mask wrote:What's with this shade? You're also parroting what others have said, again. Do you scum read my slot? I don't see it in your ISO.In post 886, Freddiethelady wrote:i know im sus, its okay. its easy to pick on low hanging fruit isn't it especially when you subbed into the slot you did? copycat was pretty anxious
im parroting people i think are right and faster to get to the point than i am.
@Votato & CsGO guy I forget your name can you answer my questions about Freedie's slot?
I have more, but I gotta sleep because my SO is mad at me for playing in bed. Sorry.
ahhhhhhh, i see. okay! thanks. that helps!In post 936, Formerfish wrote:3 people on a wagon puts pressure on the person being run up.In post 935, Freddiethelady wrote:but then why did FF vote for me right after?
You took away the pressure for little reasoning, and did nothing with your vote after unvoting.
So I voted for you for releasing the pressure on the wagon and for doing nothing with your vote.
Continue to misrep me please, i love it.
I do know the context. Gibus continued to RVS (shortly after) and, Votato in jumping with an actual explanation of why he should stop and Lilith's vote also helped cut those things out.In post 927, Nauci wrote:Since you were reading it as part of catch up, Tuxedo, it should be particularly obvious that what Freddie said to Gibus was in the context of a very long RVS during which Gibus was hopping around a lot. Other players have even later commented that this was a good move to discourage the vote hopping so that the game could start doing serious votes and play instead and was one of the reasons that players were giving town reads of Freddie early on. Do you disagree with the timing context and the others' assessmentsor were you scanning back for quotes to cast as suspicious?
If you want me to be one, keep talking about it.In post 937, Freddiethelady wrote:fish was a dick
Okay, this was the last thing I wanted to address last night. Freddie when I say your unvote was sudden, it is because it was. Read the game and your progression on Ironcat, it isn't in this game. Maybe it took you IRL days to reach that conclusion, but we can't see or prove that. All we have to go on is what you posted. So to us, it is sudden. Very earlier on Votato said the best way for us to town read people is for them to play the game. When you're keeping everything back because you're scared of how it'll make you look well then it makes you look bad. Bad = scummy not bad = you suck.In post 901, Freddiethelady wrote:the rest of the post read: I didn't think my explanation was a 'sudden abandonment'...it took me days to come to that, i said that, and i didn't vote someone else...where as FF did. he just said 'freddie, youre sus cause you changed your mind'. is that how we role? that points to a lot of scummy people here - im newbie, he isn't. im being thoughtful. he shouldn't be given a get out of jail free card for that one, in my opinion.
and no, i definitely don't think finding scum is that easy. you seem to think it is though - youre picking on the new kid saying im clever enough to be scum....while i appreciate the comment, i think lots of people here can see youre just wrong on this one.
Don't mean to shit on your parade, but what do you think of Freddie's recent posts?In post 931, Formerfish wrote:So essentially this just became about Freddie and Tux, because if freddies vote is on the bench when someone is voting him I see where this is going.
In post 854, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Can you explain what you town reading about Ironcat's posts?In post 649, osuka wrote:hahahah I was thinking to myself, ironcat reads as town before I realized that's my fucking slot
what a day
What do you think of the defenses for Freddie raised? Also can you explain your scum read of Freddie? I see the vote on a post you call scummy, but that was a super early post. Anything else?In post 645, osuka wrote:gibus does not read mafia right now but I'd love to hear your reasons as to why freddie is town
I thought #254 was a fluff post. Copykat just replaced at that point so scumreading him doesn't make sense. Votato was the one who fully shifted the momentum by paraphrasing #283.In post 846, wavesarc wrote:I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.
Your case does not look clear at all to me. Are you scumreading votato for having a lack of content (in the early part of the game)?It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.
He did push on copy's slot with good reason, did go after lilith and fish and he strongly townread feathers.I don't think votato has been pushing much at all. At least not in a way that would cause major direction. He's really just gone after low hanging fruit: feathers at the beginning, ironcat when they were in their feelings, copykat after her L-1 vote.
The scumreads on me and fish didn’t really go anywhere though, like he didn’t actively engage with either one of us or even copykat really to further develop the reads, and he didn’t really “go after” anyone in terms of hard pushes, so it seems he is playing the game at arm’s length. I think wavesarc made some good points - I don’t see a lot of pushing or gamesolving in votato’s posts.In post 945, gibus wrote:He did push on copy's slot with good reason, did go after lilith and fish and he strongly townread feathers.
