Boost Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Papa Zito]

vote: ConsonantM

Predicting scummy entrance.

Boost: OhGodMyLife

Cuz he's cool, yo.

[Papa Zito]

Boost: ConsonantM

Huh.

MOD: Can players boost themselves?

You couldn't in Boost 1 so I just assumed you couldn't here. Bad assumption maybe.

The scummiest thing i can think of 2 do is 2...

Vote: No Lynch

.
i just killed the rvs, didnt i?

Thar we go.

[Papa Zito]

Damn. I thought M was going to take the whole page, too.

Votecount

Wiirdo (1) -- BloodCovenent
populartajo (1) -- zwetschenwasser
ConsonantM (1) -- Papa Zito
Sajin (1) -- Empking
Mufasa (1) -- semioldguy
Empking (1) -- OhGodMyLife
MissTake (1) -- Kmd4390
zwetschenwasser (1) -- populartajo
No lynch (1) -- ConsonantM

^^^ This is terrible. We'll never get anywhere with this.

unvote
vote: Empking

Zito, post now or b labeled a lurker.

Oh lol.

[Papa Zito]

unvote
vote: Empking

Not agreed.

ORLY?

I didn't pick Mufasa since I don't know anything about the guy.

Oh lol.

Yea. Talk about timing.

FoS: Papa Zito

--
4 posting just after i called him out.

I was reading your spam!

[Papa Zito]

The ConsonantM wagon is useless.

@ConsonantM: Food for thought: You've dragged us, kicking and screaming, out of RVS. However, you've also provided a nice big beach umbrella for the scum to hide under.

unvote
vote: Kise

This was kinda fruitful last time I did it. heh

[Papa Zito]

I'm not gonna vote for anybody yet, as it's still pretty random.

Also, can somebody explain what the boost does? I searched for the first Boost Mafia but can't find it.

Oh, also

FoS: Wiirdo

[Papa Zito]

So your intention is get him lynched, Mufasa?

[Papa Zito]

How does ConsonantM = Mastin change anything? I'm not following your reasoning at all.

[Papa Zito]

I simply find his game play detracting and want it gone.

There's another way to fix your problem.

unvote
vote: Mufasa

[Papa Zito]

Wow.. you guys took that the wrong way, but okay... I wasn'nt the first one to mention his distracting play style. I was just wanting him to confirm himself as a mastin alt.

No, you weren't. You just latched onto it as a reason for a vote.

Even after agreeing that the ConsonantM wagon was bad.

[Papa Zito]

Can somebody please explain what a boost does exactly? I still don't get this.

Also,@ Empking, I thought it was strange that it was a vote really quickly after the FoS for lurking. I don't read the memberlist, so I wouldn't know if he's telling the truth.

...

I thought you said you read the first game.

[Papa Zito]

Eh.

So in Boost 1, the town power roles and the mafia would start out with a one-shot power. If they were boosted once, they'd (usually) gain full use of their abilities. e.g. a 1-shot vig becomes a regular vig. A second boost grants an additional power; our example vig above got an NK immunity if he didn't vig someone that night. A third boost would do nothing.

Sidebar: In Boost 1 each side also had a night booster, so theoretically a player could be fully boosted in the space of a single fay/night cycle.

Not saying it works exactly like this here, tho it's prolly similar.

[Papa Zito]

^^ Theory discussion isn't helping catch scum.

We need to fill up the Mufasa wagon.

To answer ConsonantM's question:

You start the game with a sprig of a very rare herb, which has extraordinary healing powers. Once during the game, at night, you may choose another player; they will be immune to all nightkills that night.

You win when all anti-town roles are eliminated.

Note: turns into full doctor if boosted. If boosted twice, he can also self protect once.

You begin this game with a gun and one bullet. You may use it on another player during the night, if you so wish.

You win when all anti-town roles are eliminated.

Note: Becomes a full vig when boosted. If boosted twice, he is unightkillable on any night when he doesn't kill.

They didn't all work this way, but most worked like this or something similar.

[Papa Zito]

Wow major snipage.

[Papa Zito]

Boost: Sajin
Boost: KMD

We have too many lurkers.

[Papa Zito]

Regardless, if we have a lynch, the night doesn't start until three people are boosted. (I think)

Only one boost is required for a lynch.

If someone reaches a lynching majority before anyone has been boosted that day, nothing happens and they can be unvoted or receive additional votes as usual.

[Papa Zito]

By making it patterned, you know I'm not a scum boosting his buddies. It's the only way of doing things that is unbiased.

WTF?

unvote vote Wiirdo

Good reasoning.

Reasoning is that the unbiased way to choose someone to boost would be to use a diceroll. An even better way to choose would be to decide who looks most pro-town. Patterns are easily manipulated (why every 6?). Also it's weird that you're so worried about your image that you stress the boosts are random.

If I'm feeling really snarky, I'd say you planted that post to cast suspicion on three townies when you flip scum.

[Papa Zito]

1) zwetschenwasser : 4 posts
2) Sir Tornado : 4 posts
3) OhGodMyLife : 3 posts

4) BloodCovenent : 5 posts
5) Empking : 5 posts
6) Papa Zito : 17 posts

7) MissTake : 1 post

8) Kmd4390 : 23 posts

9) millar13 : 1 post

10) Mufasa : 9 posts
11) semioldguy : 8 posts

12) cateraction : 2 posts

13) Wiirdo : 12 posts
14) Kise : 6 posts
15) ConsonantM : 30 posts

16) Porochaz : 0 posts
17) populartajo : 4 posts

18) Sajin : 7 posts

Come on, seriously?

[Papa Zito]

KMD is at B-1. I'm at B-2. Those wagons sure built fast.

Should we be claiming at this point? I'm not sure what the protocol is here.

[Papa Zito]

EBWOP: KMD is at B-2 as well. Tajo removed his boost. Sorry.

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why do you asked if you should be claiming at this point?

Boosting scum is kinda disastrous, especially if they have a night-boosting role like last time. I've been weighing pros/cons in my head on whether to force boostees to claim so that those claims can be verified the following day vs. all the stuff KMD pointed out and I couldn't come to a good conclusion on my own. Rereading Boost 1 didn't help much either.

I figured it wouldn't hurt the town to air the discussion. If anything people's views on it may be helpful later.

[Papa Zito]

Crap, I completely missed Sajin. That's three at B-2. Weird.

[Papa Zito]

I've no issue with the ones at B-2, just the speed is a little disconcerting.

Mufasa needs more votes.

[Papa Zito]

Sir Tornado, why are you still boosting Prozac?

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito: I am boosting Prozac because I trust him to use boost wisely and he hasn't done anything scummy so far. That is the criteria for all my boosts so far.

You're quite correct, he hasn't done anything scummy so far.

Because he hasn't even posted once this game.

We are well out of RVS at this point. Please justify your boost.

In other news...

unboost: OGML

for failing to deliver a promised post.

[Papa Zito]

I don't know if this hold true in this game, but wouldn't that mean a whole lot of wasted boosts?

Sorry, not following your logic.

[Papa Zito]

Because he hasn't even posted once this game.

He is V/LA till 20th.

So you were aware. And you still think he's a better candidate than those actually contributing?

Oops... make that two of them... :->

Lawl.

They're my best guess at townies. Plus statistically they're more likely town than scum, so there's no reason not to use my boosts.

That reminds me, I need to find a new 3rd candidate. Reread time.

[Papa Zito]

YOU'RE SCUM FOOL

Ok, I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

I'm scum and so I know that KMD and Sajin are town, and it makes you ALL CAPS ANGRY that I'm boosting town. Right?

Also, your lack of vote doesn't match how sure you are. Just sayin.

[Papa Zito]

Arrite, re-read done.

Boost: Tajo

Also...

FoS: cateraction

for having 2 posts of just votes and boosts

FoS: millar13

for buddying to KMD

FoS: Wiirdo

for his patterned boosts and 14 posts of only "why me?" and mechanics discussion

FoS: zwetschenwasser

for boosting me while calling me scum (?!)

[Papa Zito]

Anyway, until June 30th my access is pretty limited. I think I'll take advantage of the built in consensus town meter this game has in the boost votes and sign myself over to Papa Zito and Kmd until then. So guys, my vote is in your hands, use it well. I'll be paying enough attention to see you telling me what to do, and then when I get home from this trip I'll do a massive re-read.

Blinkblink.

The only other time I've seen this happen was in War in Heaven II when Juls signed herself over to ABR. They both turned out town. Not sure if that means anything here tho.

[Papa Zito]

No buddying involved; explained my reason.

Prior to this post, you had 4:

1. I was prodded, boost Sajin (random)

2. Boost KMD "he seems to be worth it"

3. I'm following KMD's lead

4. Don't pay attention to Zwet

Looks like you're buddying to me.

[Papa Zito]

Holy crap.

[Papa Zito]

First of all: Slayer's gambit

Yes, the Mufasa wagon sucks hard. It sucks because nobody's playing the damn game.

@Misstake: I'm not pushing his lynch, I'm pushing his wagon. We need some movement in this game. There's no way we get anywhere if everyone just sits on their hands.

OGML post was fail and Emp is buddying.

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why are you referencing the so-called Slayer's Gambit? (For reference, I was actually

in

the game where the "Slayer's Gambit" originated, and let me tell you, intentionally sucking has absolutely no value in finding scum.)

It's ConsonantM's standard MO. He's a null read to me thus far since he's basically just going berserk.

And no, Zito, the reason that the Mufasa wagon sucks is because it is not on scum, and mindlessly pushing it for the sake of growing the wagon or inciting movement in the game but not for the sake of an actual lynch is a giant waste of your time. If you're not trying to get Mufasa lynched, stop telling people to vote him.

Disagree.

If you are trying to get him lynched, do a better job of explaining to me why he should be lynched. So far all I see is a sloppy player getting bandwagoned for the sake of a bandwagon, which is not going to help anyone. ConsM is legitimately scummy, Kmd has explained why in clear terms, we have our lynch today gentlemen, lets move it along.

Mufasa is the scummiest to me so far, with Wiirdo a close second, but there's been so little real solid content this game that I can't out-and-out call either one of them scum. So I don't want him lynched, but I

do

want him pressured.

Incidentally, why would you trust a boost to a player that you admit is sloppy?

[Papa Zito]

If he always looks protown, shouldn't we be more hesitant to boost him? I've never played with Zito before. Does he look protown as scum?

My only scum game on record, so you can judge: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10973

It was also my first game evar. If you don't feel like reading all that the postgame comment stuff should suffice.

(Side note - Calling you Papa makes me feel dirty)

Lulz. PZ, Zito, or You Idiot is OK too.

Opportunistic or OMGUS. I haven't decided yet.

OMGUS. It'd be opportunistic if there were a bunch of people calling for my head. Either way is bad tho.

In other news, KMD is absolutely owning ConsonantM, who needs to start posting things of substance soon. The Slayer's thing is only for early game, which I think we've left behind at this point.

[Papa Zito]

And as I said, Im not happy at all with a KMD boost this early. I think there are fairly better options at this time. Boosters, please provide reasons others than "kmd is prob town" in your next post.

Kmd4390 (9) -- Empking, OhGodMyLife, BloodCovenent, Papa Zito, cateraction, MissTake, zwetschenwasser, millar13, Porochaz

I'm doing iso rereads and I came across this, which I didn't answer. Sorry Tajo. I'm boosting KMD at the moment because he's actively hunting, as much as our pace allows. Thus far, he's hit Mufasa, Wiirdo, ConsonantM, and pinged on Emp. I like that he started looking at boostwagons as a source of info and even tried to put some structure around it with the color coding thing. (For the record, I thought it was premature, but I bet it's helpful down the road) All this adds up to "KMD is prob town" of course but those are the reasons why I think so.

[Papa Zito]

Not voting: Wiirdo, Porochaz, zwetschenwasser

Vote plz.

[Papa Zito]

So what does that make post 325

I think it has to be baseless to qualify.

Vote plz.

No.

Terrible.

[Papa Zito]

Gogogo quote pyramid!

Vote plz.

No.

Terrible.

You want me to vote even though Ive stated I have no feelings on anyone currently?

Cateraction isn't fail anymore? Suddenly don't prefer the ConsonantM wagon anymore?

[Papa Zito]

Gogogo quote pyramid!

Vote plz.

No.

Terrible.

You want me to vote even though Ive stated I have no feelings on anyone currently?

Cateraction isn't fail anymore? Suddenly don't prefer the ConsonantM wagon anymore?

I prefer it doesnt mean I advocate it, as Im sure I have said.

How far are you on your reread?

[Papa Zito]

So people aren't voting for Mufasa simply because he's not talking any more?

Apparently. Score one for lurking I guess.

[Papa Zito]

I think KMD just got boosthammered.

[Papa Zito]

OMG he posted in 2 games!

So much lulz.

How's your townie read on Mufasa doing, OGML?

[Papa Zito]

Boosting
Sajin (5) -- Papa Zito, millar13, cateraction, populartajo

?

[Papa Zito]

Boosting
Sajin (4) -- Papa Zito, millar13, cateraction, populartajo

?

Don't know what you're talking about >_>

Sorry Patrick, the counts are obviously correct. I don't know where my head was.

I have first hand experience of this, and he was town vig in that game (who was daft enough to vig me on N1 due to some incomprehensible reason but that's past now)

Link?

[Papa Zito]

Link?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75&start=0

So I read him twice in iso (and Claus too, because I didn't know what the hell a "tree stump" is) and I couldn't find where he dismissed something as OMGUS. Can you please narrow down my search a bit? Danke.

[Papa Zito]

A tree stump is the end of a tree.

See, what's bugging me is that you have time to respond to a throw-away comment, and post more regularly than most everybody else, and do an initial scan through the thread enough to boost people and comment on the initial bandwagons, yet you don't have time to find any scum.

ConsonantM's silence is deafening.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zi4o

Papa Zita

PapaTajo

Oh god it's spreading.

A throw away comment takes a lot less time than a reread of a thread (drunk)

I need to try the drunk posting thing sometime. So many people do it, it must be fun.

You didn't address the rest of it, but that's ok. You'll either hunt or you won't.

[Papa Zito]

Lack of game is making me sad.

[Papa Zito]

Lets make this simple. I have meta that shows Mastinscum gets very paranoid as scum, active lurks and doesnt scumhunt. I have meta that show Mastintown gets very verbal as town, scumhunts with different results but scumhunts.

What do you think I should do with these pieces of information?

I think it means his lack of activity needs more votes.

unvote
vote: ConsonantM

Reread Mufasa and I'm less sure of his alignment.

Thanks for the link BTW, SirT, that was educational.

[Papa Zito]

1) zwetschenwasser - 21 posts
2) Sir Tornado - 14 posts
3) OhGodMyLife - 15 posts

4) BloodCovenent - 8 posts
5) Empking - 8 posts

6) Papa Zito - 50 posts
7) MissTake - 17 posts
8) Kmd4390 - 60 posts

9) millar13 - 7 posts

10) Mufasa - 14 posts
11) semioldguy - 11 posts

12) cateraction - 6 posts

13) Wiirdo - 15 posts
14) Kise - 29 posts
15) ConsonantM - 54 posts
16) Porochaz - 18 posts
17) populartajo - 29 posts
18) Sajin - 16 posts

17 pages in, people should be in double digits.

BloodCovenent said he's rereading.
Haven't seen much from Emp, which I think is par for the course.
Ditto millar.
No idea why cateraction is so quiet.

Need moar from these peeps.

[Papa Zito]

Give him a chance before jumping down his neck. I like to give at least 24 hours before going on the active lurker rampage.

How's your reread coming along?

[Papa Zito]

So I'm officially a MissTake fan now. Please don't kill her scum kthx.

Also, I find myself agreeing with Millar, which is a new and exciting experience.

[Papa Zito]

HAMMMAH

vote: ConsM

Good bye and good riddens.

Oh FFS.

unvote
vote: Mufasa

M actually seems to be doing something, I'm willing to let him slide for a second. This is just crap.

re: boosts, yes we need to do 3. Statistically you're more likely to hit town than scum so there's no reason not to do it. If the night boost mechanic is present in this game like last one we don't want to fall behind.

[Papa Zito]

So what makes Sir T trustworthy?

^^ this. Strongly prefer a tajo boost.

[Papa Zito]

I have some vital information, but some of you guys make it hard for a softclaim... I really need to mention something important -- more specifically towards any investigative roles. Would it be alright for me to just tell what my non-1-shot role is, WITHOUT anyone jumping down my throat and saying I should never ever claim? This does not require anyone else to expose themselves, and this is not a form of rolefishing.

You've already softclaimed a power role, you may as well go whole-hog now.

Question: Are you saying you know what power you get when boosted?

[Papa Zito]

I am vanilla. Do not boost me. It has a very high chance of being wasted.

I kill anyone who targets me, so don't bother investigating me. I wouldn't advise any town roles to target me for anything.

WTF

[Papa Zito]

Zito: Not sure I get you. Should I have allowed town to boost me when I knew I might not get any boost?

Yes, you should have. This has already been discussed.

[Papa Zito]

I've been semi-vocal yesterday, so I assumed I might have drawn enough attention towards myself for investigators to check me out. As a heads up, I don't want to unintentionally kill a useful role (or any pro-town role for that matter) that may have targeted me during N1.?

And my problem here is that, if you are some sort of weak paranoid gun owner, you should have been playing uber townie to draw both a boost and an attempted NK. Now your role is useless.

[Papa Zito]

ok thanks for the explanation- as far as my attempt hammer goes- I missed the idea that we should boost people before a hammer- I've never played a boost game so didn't get the real importance of boosting all three players thanks for pointing out that pre hammers are bad.

Did you also miss the idea that prematurely ending the day was bad too? That not allowing a player to claim before getting lynched was bad too?

Ugh.

I need to go lie down.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, the boost could have helped if you hadn't claimed. But you made yourself useless. You are a better player than that which is why I'm wondering if this is some kind of Gambit fakeclaim or something.

Kise, are you trying to say that you don't realize you just made yourself useless if you are a real PGO?

Good point [1]is there anyway he may know what a boost does and [2]it actually harms him, anyways a boost could instakill a player or [3]discontinue an already existing power of theirs?

1. In Boost 1, the Mafia knew exactly what their boosts did. Town PMs were much more vague.
2. Why in the world would a boost hurt/kill someone? Boosts are beneficial.
3. He claimed vanilla, so he has no existing powers.

[Papa Zito]

Haha, I've sniped the last three pages.

[Papa Zito]

why dont you hammer boost papa zito?

After I just unvoted, with a reason of being suspicous of you, you don't actually comprehend what I am doing is bad and isntead are concenred about Papa Zito. Are you and Zito on the same team or something, and is him getting a Boost important for the scum even if you get killed.

He's just quoting the townie line.

[Papa Zito]

Not saying that you are scum PZ, but rather Mufasa might have very much given up and in desperate attempt trying to make you look connected.

That's the way I read it. He's also trying to spread FUD about boosts for some reason.

[Papa Zito]

Thank goodness Battle Mage is here to save us from ourselves. Without reading the whole thread. Or his role PM. ...

I like how ConsonantM has gone underground again now that the town is distracted by Claimapolooza.

Feeling snarky this morning.

[Papa Zito]

Twatdonkey, lol.

Boost: Tajo

[Papa Zito]

Is spamming typical of Battle Mage?

[Papa Zito]

Is spamming typical of Battle Mage?

From what I've heard, yes.

Arrite.

If there are any questions you have of me, please ask and I will try to get to them first.

Scumlist plz.

[Papa Zito]

^^ Agree. The non-votes are bad, the votes as placed are worse.

[Papa Zito]

Can someone point me to a Mufasa case that is stronger than my ConsM case, because I'm not seeing one.

HAMMMAH

vote: ConsM

Good bye and good riddens.

[Papa Zito]

Fair enough. That's just a terrible hammer attempt with only one boost at the time. It's hard to accept that ConsM is town, but if Mufasa is scum, I'm gonna have to do that. If both of these guys are town, I just suck and am going to retire from mafia. XD.

We both know why a quick hammer is bad, so I won't rehash all that. The fact only one boost was in place just makes it worse.

I haven't seen much from ConsonantM that makes him scummy other than his uncharacteristic lurking. Is there something I've missed?

Happy scumday BTW.

[Papa Zito]

Actually, I've hardly even mentioned lurking in my case against him. I didn't like his baseless attack on Semi, his doing things just to look protown along with his constant assertion that his behavior was null as opposed to protown, his pointless lurker callouts as opposed to real scumhunting, his huge (9 I believe) number of players he is calling scum, his OMGUS on me, and probably other things that weren't as huge a deal that I don't remember. Those are the biggest points against him though. I guess you can add his recent lurking too because he is posting in other games and seems to be intentionally avoiding this one.

Now you've made me have to go back and re-read him. OMGUS. heh

[Papa Zito]

Deadline is in 11 days.

Mufusa, who are ConsonantM's scumpartners?

[Papa Zito]

So, uh, doesn't the name need to be updated to Mastin and not ConsonantM in the votecount? :/

THIS IS NOT A WALL OF TEXT

There's something majorly wrong here.

[Papa Zito]

I need to ask real quick to those who commented on it:

How did my role become useless (in moderate detail, please)?

Seriously?

[Papa Zito]

Bwahaha. Go town.

[Papa Zito]

Winnar!

[Papa Zito]

We win? Yay! And I lived to endgame too!

Congrats zwet.