A Clash of Kings - A Divided Kingdom

[diddin]

Hi Magna! Hi Richard!

I still need to read the thread more, I'll try to post some content by tonight.

[diddin]

So, I just did a major read and still need a little bit of time for it all to gather in my head, but for now, I have scum reads on both Dana and SSBF, moreso on Smash.

One thing I noticed that was odd was a bit of a change in playstyle between Dippereth early D1 and Dippereth today and late yesterday. I had a strong town read on them initially, but it almost seems as if they are coasting on everyone believing they are town. To Dippereth: was one of your two heads doing the majority of the posting early in Day 1? I haven't been in a game with either DGB or Elleb so I wouldn't know any difference in playstyle.

It's 1 AM right now, I am going to ISO Smash tomorrow to see if I can do anything to supplement the current case on him.

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Ok, case on Smash as I promised.

I don't really like how he's defending Deer for Dippereth's pushing on him in RVS now that Deer's spot flipped scum... possible link?

Iso 9 he atacks CMAR for being too serious... yet I saw that CMAR post as not very serious and pretty snarky even though he was breadcrumbing.

I don't really like ISO 15 because he brings up some really good points about Richard, yet only FoS's him. In fact I seem him doing this quite a bit- bringing up good points on somebody but nowvoting them for them, as if he's afraid to ruffle anybody's feathers.

The next post he explains as he was mors suspicious of DocModem, but to me this looks like a copout. All Doc really said is that RVS lasts into D2 for him and an apparent contradiction that just seemed more like a noobtell to me.

ISO 20 he says he'd rather raise Mackavity Lock rather than DripHydra, yet he's said nothing towards MackavityLock in the past and Unsight brings up a pretty good point on the matter a few posts later.

ISO 28 he does an analysis of the Richard wagon and votes Migwelloni for his terrible wagonvote. It seemed pretty obvious that Mig was a VI so to me it looks like he was going for the easy target here.

ISO 36 is hypocritical: He says he isn't defending Benmage, yet he explains why the case on him is bull, shich is DEFENDING HIM. Makes it look like SSBF doesn't want to be considered defending anybody incase he flips scum and was defending his buddies.

The whole parroting thing is odd too, he seems quick to apologise as if he wants to look town.

I also find it odd how long it takes him to vote raivann, first FoSing and then HoSing him before finally voting.

His YAY TOWN posts early D2 also strike me as a bit off, as they try too hard to be pro-town.

His whole D2 posting seems off to me as well, posting a case on Vezo but then abandoning it to vote on CSL who is acting pretty VI to me.

Vote: Super Smash Bros. Fan

Dana is also very suspicious for trying to divert the Raivann wagon, but I think Smash looks worse on the matter and Brynden is a believable claim.

[diddin]

I believe deadline is tomorrow night. We need to lynch someone before nightfall.

Deadline is a week from tonight, read the bottom of the votecounts<____<

Mod ~ This is correct. However, if there is conflicting advice somewhere, please point it out so it can be fixed.

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I just read my name. I assumed that because I am a girl I am also a princess.

You know kings ...princesses?

*headdesk*

So you're claiming to be Meera Reed?

[diddin]

I'm waiting on someone that knows the flavor to be illuminated...

Meera Reed is Howland Reed's daughter who travels with Bran Stark to the North. Howland is one of Eddard's closest friends and controls the Neck, but is nowhere close to the throne.

That's all that's really important.

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I see a sort of contradiction in vezo's reasoning. First, she says she never saw her role name and came to the conclusion she was a princess, later she says that her crumb was in RVS so it doesn't count. I don't see how those fit together completely.

I'd still rather lynch SSBF or Dana though.

Count me in in the crowd that was in KoL Mafia. Me and Richard were scumbuddies and I played pretty well until I got quicklynched while V/LA:|.

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Locke: Here's what I got.

Drippereth has been acting odd lately. Their posts were really pro-town day 1 as they scumhunted very well and just seemed obvtown to me. D2 their play has made a total 180 and they now lurk and don't make as good cases as they used to. Reading neutral, slightly scummy unless they turn their play around.

I might look at MackavityLock again later, but I remember his posts being pretty pro-town and lengthy. Reading town until I take a good look at him.

[diddin]

Looks like I haven't posted in a while. My next post is going to be an ISO of MackavityLock because I don't remember very much of his posts and a few people have a scum read on him.

[diddin]

Mmkay, here's my long promised MackavityLock ISO.

Vote: MacavityLock

. He's the serial killer, even if his role PM says otherwise.

Oh, Mina. I wasn't a serial killer last time, and I'm not a serial killer this time.

OR AM I?

No, no I'm not.

Raise: MacavityLock

FoS: Everybody who's not Raising themselves

. If you're town, you're risking giving a double-vote to scum.

Vote: LynchMePls

. Bandwagon ho!

He makes a good point here, but it almost looks kind of like he's trying too hard to be town.

Classic IIoA scumtell in post #27.

I agree!

Unvote. Vote: Richard

Fast sheep there, even if it was a scumtell.

I like his points on ISO 2 against Richard, but I've played a lot of games with Rich so I know he isn't a very good scumhunter.

Also like ISO 3 where he asks SSBF about the quick unvote on Deer and says why Deer is scummy. Richard is still his top suspect and he is starting to back up the Richard case with his own reasoning.

Next substansial content post is ISO 8, where he gives a list of reactions so his FoS's in terms of reasonability. Again, sound explanations here.

ISO 9 he says why he's against Drippereth being the Hand, I agree with him. Percy would've been my candidate for hand had I been around during the raising.

ISO 10 is great. I like all the points he brings up and the switch to Hayker. ISO 11 is great too.

I did not want people to accuse me of parroting later on, as I knew I was guilty of parroting some of Drippereth's last post.

Admitting that you were parroting doesn’t make the suspicious nature of it fade away. You’ve simply done the job of anyone who would make the point for them.

SSBF: Scummy, due to apologizing for what is unnecessary to apologize for.
Magna: Scummier, due to latching on to "parroting" without looking at context, attempting an easy dig.

In relation to any parroting comments, DethHydra and SSBF cross-posted, as would be obvious if you looked. Don't like either SSBF or Magna in this exchange.

Don't really like this post, mainly because I like MoI's point that SSBF was way too quick to apologise even with an apparent cross post, as he doesn't want to look scummy.

ISO 15 he votes Magna and avoids the Raivan wagon all together, saying he doesn't like it.

ISO 18 he says Raivann has some towntells as well.

ISO 19 he contiunes to avoid the Raivann wagon while voting CMAR.

Beginning of D2, he posts voting Mikujin, while noting scumlinks between SSBF and Raivann. I don't like how Mackavity never voted Raivann and at points said how much he hated the Raivann wagon.

ISO 23 he goes to SSBF because he finds out Mikujin is newer and doesn't think Miku could bus so hard as a newb.

ISO 27 he goes after vezo for the apparent breadcrumb even though his case and vote on SSBF was a sound one.

My Read: I read town on Mackavity earlier, but he's gotten a lot scummier with avoiding the Raivann wagon and switching from a good SSBF case to vezo. I wouldn't be surprised by a Mackavity-SSBF scumteam, but my vote stands on SSBF as I have a much more solid read on him.

[diddin]

Putting Vezo at L-8 with 30 hours to go? This is a viable wagon?

Magna: I stabbed Kinetic.

Diddin: so why exactly did you read town on Macavity earlier? It's not as though him avoiding the Raivann wagon is a new event.

I barely remembered anything about his content and just remembered a few people calling him town. It wasn't a solid read.

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Vote: SSBF

He's still scum.

We should use this on someone we have a less certain read on instead of someone we could just lynch.

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Re-reading I doubt it, I find it nearly impossible for SSBF to be a Lannister.

I think he's a Greyjoy, as shown by his reluctance to vote Raivann and just his overall scumminess.

[diddin]

Step Forward

Everybody should do this so we have a chance to reveal anybody we'd like, and there's no penalty for doing so.

[diddin]

MacAvitar: When the Raivann wagon was rolling, he FoSed him, Then HoS'd him, before finally voting.

[diddin]

Diddin, I want a claim from you asap.

Everyone else: bear with me, all will become clear soon.

Why?

I will claim if necessary, but this is rather out of the blue.

@Percy: I did not stab anybody because I was still reading the thread when the event was going on.

[diddin]

Might as well if it helps catch scum.

Claim: "The Hound" Sandor Clegane, Innocent Aligned

I used to work for the Lannisters, but now I work on my own.

I have no powers other than a vote.

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Thor, shoot Percy. If Locke is lying, we string him up immediately.

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The Percy death post alone is making me more interested in actually reading the books - sounds like some interesting flavor to the stories.

I am liking the flow of attention towards Rifka, and she certainly remains within my list of people to be investigated. I'll also now add vezo to that list for obvious reasons (and will mention specifically that if it clears him he should try to not emulate Richard)

I will also add that SSBF is at L-3. At the very least we do not wish the day to end prior to us getting the investigation. FYI for everyone.

I highly suggest the books. Amazing source material and I'll probably be nominating this game for the Paperback Writer Scummy.

Percy's desire to have vezok dayvigged is making me think vezo is either town or Lannister-aligned. SSBF is in Theme Park as of this post, so he better post soon.

[diddin]

I'm thinking one of two candidates for the hacked to pieces flavour: Vargo Hoat or Gregor Clegane.

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The users browsing thing is for the whole forum, and I know for a fact that he made a post in his other ongoing Theme Park game right after we started calling him for being in Theme park but not posting.

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Why aren't you stepping forward Locke? The quicker everyone steps forward, the quicker we can get our free cop scan, which makes this game less likely to die between now and the time of the scan.

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I'm willing to reveal hascow as well, but I wanna wait for a paraphrase of the N2 Kingsquard discussion before we do this.

[diddin]

I'm willing to reveal hascow as well, but I wanna wait for a paraphrase of the N2 Kingsquard discussion before we do this.

Didn't Mina do this?

Thats 5 for cow.

She did N1 but not N2 IIRC.

[diddin]

Light a Candle For: hascow

The reason you don't want to investigate someone scummy as cop is those are the people you're probably lynching anyways, and claiming cop with inno at that time is rediculously stupid unless it's LYLO or you're claimed. Cop scans should be used on hard to read players.

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I was the first person to step forward, don't know what you're talking about.

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go go Gadget SSBF lynch

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Hacked to pieces does not sound like Arya Stark.

This. Arya sticks 'em with the pointy end of her rapier, not hacks them to pieces.

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Arya also is the only character that interacts with Jaquen. Considering Jaquen was a HIRED assassin, I wouldn't be surprised if Arya was the one who hired him.

unvote

, not liking the claim, but we can just have Locke scan you.

[diddin]

Has brings up a good point, and at this time I can't deny how scummy SSBF has been.

Vote: SSBF

[diddin]

It's obvious scum have full-blown fakeclaims, wouldn't be surprised if the SK did too.

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I guess I'm finally seeing how there's no benefit to lynching SSBF when either we can control his kills on the threat of lynch or he'll be taken care of overnight. Locke I'd suggest a scan of Vezo tonight to end this claim nonsense.

unvote

Not sure who I'm voting today, but I'd follow a CSL or Mikujin lynch.

[diddin]

Unsight, he's claiming possession of a kill flavour that has killed a member of both scum groups- I'm doubting the existence of SSBF-scum from that. If he doesn't actually have the kill flavour, he'll die tonight anyways.

I really can't see anymore alignments as we already have flips from Lannisters and Greyjoys, and people on the North, Stannis, and Renly alignments have flipped innocent.

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Posting here until a big case on someone is made so I can vote . Until them I will let my vote on mina.

Vote Mina

I'd like an explanation for this now.

[diddin]

There hasn't been anything I can really say, this game has become a bit dead for me. I really think we should decide on a lynch soon.

I'm also already claimed in case you forgot.

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Part of the reason I've been fairly quiet is I have band camp this week so that limits the amount of time I can spend on MS every day. I'll try to squeeze an an ISO of Unsight tomorrow to get a good read on him/her as I don't really have one.

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I read over Unsight and I don't really see anything scummy that others haven't already pointed out. That said, it looks like Unsight is probably the lynch for today so VOTE: Unsight

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I never said nor implied I was clear.

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That doesn't invalidate his point at all.

Unsight is at L-2 and should claim.

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He's L-2, what's so wrong about asking for a claim at L-2?

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I say we should set our own votals for who SSBF should kill and whomever has plurality at the end of the day gets killed by SSBF.

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Unsight: SSBF is totally not mafia. He's most likely SK.

I don't buy that. I think the Day 1 oddity with MacCavityLock suggests that both are mafia.

By this logic, either there is a third scumteam, or SSBF is claiming ownership of flavor he doesn't have, in which he'll be a dead man tonight.

[diddin]

Why isn't Unsight dead yet?

Because there is still discussion going on. We don't want to rush the day.

SSBF I don't know if you are intentionally misreping me or not, but what I said is there is nothing scummy about Unsight

besides what other people have already brought up.

Big difference from saying there isn't anything scummy about Unsight and then pushing the wagon because he's in the lead for a lynch right now.

I approve of the CSL shot.

If Unsight flips scum I would probably go for a Rifka lynch next because it looks like she is trying to deflect attention away from Unsight to Mikujin.

Mina, how's that N2 Kingsguard Paraphrasal coming?

If anyone hammers before Mina does the paraphrase and Mina dies the next night, the person who hammers should hang instantly.

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Why isn't Unsight dead yet?

If anyone hammers before Mina does the paraphrase and Mina dies the next night, the person who hammers should hang instantly.

This.

Matter of fact, I'm going to make sure that Mina gets it done.

unvote

wat

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If there were 2 scumteams it would probably have to be 2-2-2, and I honestly doubt we've already eliminated two scumteams. Correct my math if it is incorrect.

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EBWOP yeah I mean 3 scumteams

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SSBF remember that CSL was voteless after the stabbing that happened D2.

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Was that a lynch?

If so CSL should be shot since Mina wasn't done with the paraphrasal yet.

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Phew nevermind L-1.

Nobody hammer unless it's close to deadline or Mina's done.

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Axelrod your "middle group" has Richard who is clear and Benmage who is pretty close to clear IIRC.

Time's running out, let's lynch now.

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If nobody else comes in I WILL hammer as a lynch is always better than a no lynch.

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Vote: Rifka

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Locke report GO!

The double lynch would be a pretty convenient time to take care of SSBF is he actually is SK, methinks.

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Probably Unsight, but I do think Macavitar has gone under the radar quite a bit.

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Ok, since tomorrow is my last day before school starts, I promise a big post, probably on Axelrod.

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Also to Locke: Who did you even investigate? I'm just curious.

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I asked because it's something I do every time. I have caught scum fakeclaiming when they forget to say who they investigated the night they claimed to be roleblocked, so I have done it ever since.

Big post, coming tonight to a computer near you.

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YO YO HOMIES IT'S A LONG POST COURTESY OF YOUR BWOI DIDDIN

This post will mainly concern Axelrod. I plan on hopefully making another big post this weekend.

Pssst Axelrod

You forgot to vote Deer

He's scum

In case it's not obvious

Well, it's not

totally

obvious.

Yet.

Early game avoidance of the Deer slot? Kinda funny looking now that the Deer slot's confirmed scum.

Welcome Hasdgfas!

Unvote;

Vote: Hasdgfas

Sorry, but Dr. Modem was scummy and then quit, so you are starting out in the hole.

My problem with the Drippereth account is that they can post contradictory things like:

Assuming a doctor is in the settup, I will be amaza-suprised if the double-voter isn't protected. So raising up whoever you think is the most pro-town is still the way imo.

and

I can't see why a double vote would be so precious...

and you can't really call them out for a contradiction, because it could just be that the two heads have a different opinion on the issue.

I'm trying to look at Richard. I don't especially care for his style, but I'm not convinced it's scummy yet.

I actually like this comeback here:

I'm going to lol when Drippereth is wrong - AGAIN

Townies don't taunt in this way. Scumz do.

WELL I GUESS THERE'S A FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE I, A TOWNIE, JUST TAUNTED IN THAT WAY.

Which strikes the right tone of annoyance and indignation for a Town.

Kind of a weak vote, considering Axelrod at this time not voiced any suspicion at all on Dr Modem or even mentioned him.

boy that makes me feel welcome. I'm going to point out that newbies often replace out when they're under pressure because they don't know what else to do. I mean, he's Townsperson. Plus, he said he was too busy to play, so I'm calling party foul on this vote, because he didn't disappear, he replaced out.

Well, I didn't say he "disappeared" did I? I said he quit. Which is true. Not much of a reason to vote, but I wasn't especially feeling it

more

on anyone else so, there you go.

@Axelrod: I don't see any scumhunting from you. What are your thoughts on scumminess of certain players? For instance, Dr Modem. You say he's scummy, but don't give reasons. You didn't comment on them in any of your previous posts. What are they? Why did it take you so long to change your vote?

Dr. Modem did nothing this game. He "random" voted for me (never a good thing) and made no other votes. He made a few attempts at what appeared to be jokes without commenting about anything or anyone else. He got overly hostile and defensive when critized, and then he quit. So, really, what's not to like there?

In the words of John Paul Jones: I have not yet begun to scum-hunt!

Seriously, it's early.

Unvotes hasbjskfbsfas after giving pretty sollid reasoning for a Doc lynch. Since we know has is town now, this could be scum looking to build an easy townie wagon and backing off when the replacement actually started looking town.

Okay, I will get caught up soon, but to those voting to raise axelrod, I would just like to say that whoever gets the double vote will likely die quickly and axelrod already endorsed me getting the double vote. I'm willing to take that sacrifice for town. I'll admit axel seems to be a very good player and I'll likely take his advice into consideration when using a double vote. Just putting it out there.
By the way, glad to see the Richard wagon is taking off. Pillars of the evil king's castle are finally falling 2day.

Uh, yuck?

Unraise: CryMeARiver

Like, I don't usually mind when people suck up to me, but this is kind of over the top. Also, it's

hardly

like I'd firmly decided you were my guy here.

To Richard: do you know if this bonus kill is immediate, or takes place during the subsequent night? For instance, were you lynched, would Loras kill someone before the Night technically started, or would it happen as a regular action during the Night. And I assume he can't hold it for later, but has to use it right then? Could he elect NOT to use it?

Mod

: I'm pretty sure I'm not voting for anyone.

~Thanks - fix'd I hope

This post grants a few townie points. From a scum POV, he would know who is town and probably see it as one less likely power role, where from a townie POV he very well could be scum trying to get the Raise through Appealing to Emotion.

ISO 7- An attack on Hayker, and a decent one at that. I don't like how he didn't comment on the tail end of the Richard wagon though.

There's just way too much "certainty" floating around in this thread. I absolutely hate it when people just start calling other people "scum" and act like they have it all figured out and it's case-closed when the truth is they know

nothing

. They have a

hunch

. An

opinion

.

I recognize this is a "style" thing for a lot of people, and they'll flip from calling someone obv.scum to deciding they are clearly town at the drop of a hat, and then immediately press on with their next "obviously scum" target, conveniently ignoring how horribly wrong they were the last time they called someone "obv.scum" and it drives me

nuts

. Please STFU or use some damn qualifiers. When you do this you are either being dishonest or you are just being a moron.

/rant

I don't know why I bothered to type this out. Maybe I'm having a bad day or something.

Ok, this is not really part of a case but a personal rant, but I HATE it when people bitch about this. THIS IS A GAME OF MAFIA. YOU ARE GOING TO BE CALLED SCUM. DEAL WITH IT. Lots of players when attacking someone will just call them scum or obv. scum, it's a personality thing.

ISO 13- Good attack on Raivann, but leaves his vote on hayker instead. Greyjoy scum points.

The rest of day 1 he avoids voting Raivann like the plague and sticks to CMAR after he starts lurking out of nowhere.

Early D2 he attacks Dana for avoiding the Raivann wagon when he did so as well. Once again, looks like Greyjoy scum trying to push a lynch on someone non-Greyjoy.

All he does the rest of D2 is push Dana and comment on the vezo claim. This clears him of being a Lannister imo, since I doubt Lannister scum would stick to Dana when there was a well-developed alternate wagon at the time, SSBF.

He then starts out D3 by saying he would probably vote SSBF even though HE HAS SAID NOTHING ON SSBF IN THE PAST. Scumpoints. He then responds to Benmage's comment that jvw was likely a Lannister kill by saying that there are reasons that SSBF could be scum from either side.

Mina: I am also very interested in having Percy be the one to Step Forward if you think that's scummy. He's just someone who seems good enough to slip by as scum, so I'm naturally wary of him, and I'd be happy with the insurance. You say he'll likely end up dead anyway, but that hasn't happened yet, so there's no reason to assume it will happen later and before anyone else.

I'm not all gung-ho this is definitely what we should do, and there are other people I'd also be happy to have inspected, but in as much as you are making this a point against Benmage, I have to say I don't agree.

Macaviter: welcome, I guess. Any time you want to elaborate on your read of me I'll be happy to discuss it.

Saying he would be willing to have Percy revealed here seems like something safe for a scumbuddy to suggest even though it most likely wasn't happening at this point so he can say "I was suspicious of him earlier, that makes me not a Greyjoy!"

Pay attention. I'm also holding it (as well as more in that post) against Locke.

Yeah, well, you made your post while I was typing mine, I saw it in preview, but it didn't really change what I had to say, so please don't accuse me of not "paying attention."

There is no evidence implying that Percy is scum.

Well, that's not exactly true either. There's certainly nothing blatant though.

Your strategy is to roll a dice and hope he drew a scum PM, because he's so good that we mere mortals have no help of catching him.

It's not a "die roll." It's a strategic choice. You are free to disagree (and obviously do) but don't call it a die roll.

And now that Locke has said what he's said I think it becomes even more an issue.

If there is nothing blatant but there is evidence, why did you not include this evidence in your post suggesting Percy step forward?


In conclusion: Axelrod makes quite a few points that make him look like Greyjoy scum, particularly his avoidance of Raivann in favor of Hayker and then CMAR. I'm thinking he is Greyjoy scum.

VOTE: Axelrod

@Mina: Anything interesting go on in the Kingsguard QT last Night?

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I missed that yes, but even though Locke said he would hammer, he was the one who urged me to hammer before deadline.

[diddin]

so planning around that is wasted time that could be going toward lynching SSBF and MagnaOfIllusion.

You indicated that right now, me and Macavitar are your top two suspects with MagnaofIllusion at #3. Why not choose to lynch me and Macavitar instead of me and MagnaofIllusion if you think me and Macavitar are scummier overall?

Correct me if I am wrong Unsight but I believe a lot of her Macavitar suspicion is based on a proposed scum connection with you, which I don't really buy.

[diddin]

^Hammered before a claim. I will be voting CSL tomorrow garunteed.

[diddin]

I fail.

Vote: CSL

At least we got rid of the serial killer.

THERE IS NO PRO-TOWN REASON TO DO THIS. I ALMOST WANT TO LYNCH YOU RIGHT NOW FOR IT.

[diddin]

Uh, look who, especially WHAT, I hammered without a claim.

You just don't get it do you? No matter what your role, you are playing against your wincon? If you are town, what good would it be if we wasted our lynch on you?

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Ok everyone, it's time for some numbers.

Currently there are 9 players in this game. Assuming one Lannister and one Greyjoy scum still alive, if we mislynch and there is no crosskill, the game will be cut down to four town versus two scum. Not the best situation. Thankfully, I consider 3 people in this game confirmed town. Hasdgfas is mod confirmed, Thor is essentially confirmed due to his vigging ability (though there is still a small possibility he is Mafia Assassin) and Richard is nearly confirmed due to the Loras flip and the unlikelyhood of scum being able to trigger a venge kill.

This is for reference:

2) Mina- unclaimed
4) MacavityLock-unclaimed
6) Unsight-claimed Ser Davos Seaworth, Onion kinght (Vanilla Townie I presume)
7) Paranoia Thor665- claimed Robb Stark, day vig.
18) Migwelloni Kinetic diddin- claimed The Hound Sandor Clegane, Vanilla Townie
19) Hayker CSL- claimed Maester Luwin, Vanilla Townie
23) RichardGHP- claimed Renley Baratheon, Vanilla Townie who triggers a Ser Loras vengekill
24) DrModem hasdgfas- unclaimed, MOD CONFIRMED town
25) MagnaOfIllusion- unclaimed.

I am betting one of the vanilla townie claims (Unsight or CSL) is fake. Also, i would suggest any role with information that could help us out should claim now.

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Good job hasdgfas. We have a confirmed scum and another confirmed townie? That said the massclaim should still happen today and we have plenty of time, so I am not putting down the L-1 vote yet.

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Also, flavor for your power, not in general.

Paraphrasing as best I can, I am looking for someone I can trust in unfamiliar territory.

Catelyn Stark didn't trust Brienne until Renly died. While the timeline is a bit messed up here, I'm not sure how well it fits.

Also, would you have been able to talk to me at night?

Renly is killed early-mid Clash of Kings, and when that happens Cat flees with Brienne. They do not fully trust each other until late in the story, if I remember correctly.

In Soviet Russia, Breinne hangs Catelyn!

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Oh god Macavatar is already going into AtE territory. Once Unsight/MoI post I am voting.

[diddin]

Wait Wait Wait.

So has, you are claiming watcher with Macavatar visiting Miku last night? I'm not exactly clear on the current situation.

[diddin]

The only way for Mac to be town would be if Benmage were to jailkeep either Mac or has N3. I think he's a smart enough guy to know that jailing mod-confirmed town is a bad idea, and I doubt he would go for Macavatar of all people.

[diddin]

EBWOP reading the last few pages of Benmage's iso... he never said shit about Macavatar.

[diddin]

Mina should NOT claim. That way scum will have to deal with not knowing a potential PR.

has claimed Tracker by the way.

[diddin]

@Cow, read on Mina?

I've been town on her all game until her vitriolic attack on MoI, so I'd love a bit of reassurance.

She's either town or really, really, really good at pretending she is.
Although I've been getting a touch paranoid lately, that's because I always do late in games.
I'm about 95% certain she's town.

The one thing I'm certain of is that she's not going to claim today, nor be lynched today.

The only way for Mac to be town would be if Benmage were to jailkeep either Mac or has N3. I think he's a smart enough guy to know that jailing mod-confirmed town is a bad idea, and I doubt he would go for Macavatar of all people.

You're missing one incredibly obvious other option. Remember who died Night 3? Xvart, Lannister Roleblocker.

Also, to someone who remembers that section of the book better than I:
Did Catelyn Stark

ever

know about Melisandre? I can't remember her ever getting that information.

But Mikujin told us oh-so-subtly that xvart had roleblocked Locke N3.

@Mina: Since there are multiple scum factions in this game, if we mislynch today, even if you are scum, the other scumteam would have to worry about risking killing you unclaimed.

I also doubt Thor is scum. No Greyjoy or Lannister character "slays people with a beast" as indicated by Percy's death flavour.

[diddin]

Answer this honestly. Did you figure out that Mikujin was a watcher (and not some other "weak" information role) on D3? Maybe I'm biased, because I knew about the tracker, so he had to be the watcher by process of elimination. But come on. "I've been keeping an eye on a few people"?

Yes. I was pretty sure Miku was watcher.

[diddin]

Unsight last paragraph is a good point. "Vote: Town, FoS: Scumbuddy" is a pretty common scum tactic from what I have seen. But I've had enough waiting. The chances of Macavatar being town rely on an unlikely circumstance.

Vote: Macavatar

[diddin]

If Mac flips town somehow I'll have to reread as he's my only big Lannister read right now.

Personally I find the biggest Greyjoy case being on Magna, but I'm not as sure as I am with Mac (which I am about 95% sure of). I still think Unsight is potential Greyjoy or hell, maybe even CSL.

[diddin]

Macavatar there is a problem with your voting that increases the case on you quite a lot in my opinion: even though you think I'm the last Lannister, you aren't voting me. As town you would want me lynched the most because if I flip Lannister, you're confirmed town. Instead, you're Greyjoy hunting.

[diddin]

hasdgfas: if you have any results from previous nights that might affect anything, you might want to out them now, since I doubt you will make it through the night. Plus if you have a result from N3, it nulls the option of Benmage having jailkept you that night.

[diddin]

I would be ok with a hammer at this point but I want others to chime in before you (or someone) does the deed.

[diddin]

Hey, Mina.

[diddin]

@Mina: I missed it skimming over. Besides, Benmage pushed on Unsight so hard D3 that I have a strong feeling he jailed Unsight that night.

[diddin]

*sigh*

I wasn't

that

picky, but...

Fine. You, xvart, I doubt it, and danakillsu were given four fakeclaims: Catelyn Stark, Brynden Tully, Margaery Tyrell, and Ser Rodrik Cassel. Unfortunately, danakillsu used up one of them on Brynden.

Also, maybe I shouldn't confuse CSL by asking him even

more

questions, but who were you talking about when you said you don't think "he" has a role? Clearly it wasn't Mikujin.

diddin...yeah. I do think Unsight would have been the obvious choice for jailkeeping. Benmage

did

suggest Macavitar as a good namecop choice. But jailing him would have been poor play with two killers left per team.

But could you get back to me on your suspects?

Where the hell did you get the other two from?

[diddin]

The speed that Unsight wagon grew is slightly unnerving. I would not argue with an Unsight lynch but Macavatar is still a better option for me.

I did however discover another possibility for town-Macavatar besides Ben jailing him. A Greyjoy-Aligned Roleblocker, if one exists, have done either. I am gonna trust my gut here though.

[diddin]

unvote

As much as I would like to lynch Mac today, if we lynch Greyjoy scum, Mac can confirm himself as town or scum by targeting has again assuming neither he or has is killed at night. Opinions on this idea?

I prefer Magna as a Greyjoy lynch to Unsight personally.

[diddin]

Mainly for his D1 fencesitting with Raivann. Not to mention I find no reason to breadcrumb a vanilla townie unless you're scum who wants to back up a fakeclaim. Overall the case on him seems a bit more... solid than the one on Unsight.

Macavatar, MoI, Unsight are the order of players by how confident I am that they are scum. However like I said before I would prefer to lynch a Greyjoy today.

VOTE: Magna

[diddin]

Except your logic holds equally true if I were to change out all occurrences of Macavitar in that second paragraph and replace them with Unsight. The logic is predicated on Mac being scum, and I'm not sure I agree with that anymore.

We have a PR who linked Mac to a kill. My logic relies on Mac being scum because he obviously is.

Aren't you going to explain to me how I obviously need to believe your VT claim also? That sort of seemed to be part of your defense earlier and I'm still confused as to why, are you advancing a defense based on PR ratio in the game or do you believe scum never claim VT or something?

I have an ISO filled with 100% pro-town posts. If people don't see that by now then I'm sure one more post isn't going to make the magic light bulb of realization appear. The best I can do is work toward putting the town in a position where a mislynch doesn't cost us the game. I'm not advancing a defense, I'm saying "let's lynch the scum."

Somebody's arrogant, aren't they?

[diddin]

Don't really like the idea of no lynching, it'll just put us back here tomorrow with a dead townie or two. There are enough extremely likely town players (has Thor Rich) that scum would not likely cross. Our best hopes is to lynch today. If we mislynch we better hope scum double team one person.

[diddin]

Thor I still think Macavatar is scum. I just would rather lynch Greyjoy scum today.

[diddin]

Yes hasdgbfsnjk. The flip of a Greyjoy roleblocker or the lack of the flip of one greatly affects the case on Mac. Since Mac being town relies on Ben JKing him, a flipped Greyjoy RB could change that quite a bit.

[diddin]

That was another good point against Mac that was brought up. Benmage suggested Mac as a Locke scan, and if Benmage prevents all actions from reaching someone, why would he jailkeep someone he suggested a copping of? Common sense here.

[diddin]

URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH deadline is so close and I don't think we're ready yet.

Does anyone have any mod meta on Faraday/Seacore in games they've modded with jailkeepers? That might help determine how the JK works in this game.

[diddin]

Vote: Macavatar

I would rather have this happen than an Unsight lynch. Will hammer if required though.

[diddin]

No need. Unsight is lynched. Just gotta hope we're right here.

[diddin]

I changed it rich.

[diddin]

Vote: Macavatar

This pretty much has to be the lynch for today in my opinion.

[diddin]

I'm guessing cow had Mina's reports and claimed tracker to attempt to draw away kills from Mina. It was a really smart idea.

[diddin]

Guys let's not rush this day. Half of the people in the game don't even know the day has started yet.

MOD: I would suggest changing the topic title.

unvote

since a quickhammer pretty much screws us over at this point.

[diddin]

OOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAY.

Let's look at this from my perspective.

Myself, Richard, and Thor are town for obvious reasons.

That leaves Mac Magna and CSL.

Mac is confirmed not Greyjoy and CSL is a highly unlikely Lannister. The ONLY way Mac can be town is if it's CSL Greyjoy/Magna Lannister, which I doubt. Assuming Mac is Lannister scum, that leaves CSL or Magna for Greyjoy, which I would prefer Magna as a lynch.

[diddin]

If Magna is V/LA and the night ended quickly, I have a small feeling inside me saying he didn't have a night action to send in. If so, it means CSL Greyjoy and Mac Lannister.

[diddin]

VOTE: Macavatar

The chances of him being town rely on circumstances that keep getting more unlikely as we go on.

For Mac to be town we need to have: CSL as Greyjoy scum, Magna as Lannister scum. PLUS Benmage needs to have jailed mac N3 when he SUGGESTED FOR A COPPING of mac earlier that day.

The only other thing I would be for is taking the gamble and lynching Magna. If we lynch him and he flips scum we have insta win because Mac is confirmed not Greyjoy and CSL is almost guaranteed Not-Lannister. However I am quite a bit less sure on Magna actually being scum than I am of Mac.

[diddin]

By the way, CSL is 100% confirmed not-Lannister. Remember this after my death.

Seriously. If there's one person we can guarantee wouldn't have picked up on Mikujin's softclaim AND been crafty enough to have lied about it (aside from the late vezokpiraka), it's CSL.

Don't think we can take this far enough to say he isn't a Greyjoy (because he didn't realize his buddy was a watcher), though. There might be some cognitive dissonance going on.

Here's why CSL is confirmed not-Lannister.

[diddin]

No, her logic is fine. Since CSL would be solo Lannister at the time of Miku's death, he would have to pick up Miku's watcher claim which he very well could not have. I don't think he is 100% clear of being Lannister but the odds of him being Lanny are a fuck of a lot less than the odds of Mac being Lanny.

[diddin]

I would support a CSL lynch. I would much rather hang mac today (confirms more people as town), but I would support a CSL lynch. Maester Luwin does not seem like a character who would be a VT. Sounds more like a potential doctor. Plus didn't he claim at like L-10? The nail in the coffin is his deliberately excluding me as a Lannister candidate and saying with NO DOUBT the two scum.

Why I would rather lynch Mac: If we lynch CSL today and he flips Greyjoy scum, we likelier than not have to choose between 3 people for the lynch tomorrow (me Mac or Magna). If we lynch Mac today we have +1 confirmed town.

[diddin]

That was me in the midst of waking up. Sorry.

diddin, I'm still waiting on you.

For what? The "if CSL is town" scenario? I'm voting Mac dude, we can think that over tomorrow when I'm confirmed town.

[diddin]

CSL Magna flipping Greyjoy does NOT confirm you as town. It is not impossible for you to be Lannister, but it is impossible for me to be a Greyjoy.

[diddin]

I dont really think it's THAT much of a towntell to override his past actions. He gets a few town points though. And confirm voting? ROFLMAO

[diddin]

Magna's 6th post does reek of Greyjoy juice, but once I flip town, then the last townie gets to choose whether Greyjoy or Lannister wins.

If I was scum, I would've self-hammered by now.

Dude are you really defending yourself with that?

[diddin]

Show me the truncated quote in Mac's post.

[diddin]

WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING MAC? THE ONLY WAY HE CAN BE TOWN IS IF CSL (highly unlikely) IS LANNISTER OR IF MAGNA (more evidence of him being greyjoy) IS LANNSTER. NOT THAT HARD PEOPLE. BESIDES IF I WAS LANNISTER SCUM I DAMN WELL COULD'VE HAMMERED CSL BY NOW.

[diddin]

CSL and Magna are both quite likely Greyjoys IMO.

Mac should hang today.

[diddin]

My opinion? I've had enough of this day and CSL has been a lot scummier than Magna recently. Will hammer with permission.

unvote

[diddin]

Hey guys, CSL did this in Super Smash Bros Mafia too (I think Magna already pointed this out). He was scum there.

HAMMER TIME

Vote: CSL

If I have this wrong apologies to everyone. I await the dead QT reactions to this.

[diddin]

Link me to a game you did it as town, please.

Apparently I miscalced and you're not lynched yet.

[diddin]

OH MY GOD YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS SO LUCKY

Vote: Mac

Now only if you guys were smart enough to listen to me and lynch him earlier.

[diddin]

The fuck am I doing? I thought there were 5 left for some reason. derp.

Vote: No Lynch

Town and especially CSL fail so hard for not lynching Mac WITH A MISLYNCH.

[diddin]

I still can't believe we didn't lynch mac. He was obv scum. I'm gonna love reading the dead QT for this game.

Also, I WAS RIGHT YOU SONS OF BITCHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BUT NOBODY LISTENED TO ME

[diddin]

IT'S RENLEY'S GHOST OH MY GODS

[diddin]

Second guessing ourselves really fucked ourself over here. Frankly town did NOT play as good of a game as the graveyard would make you think, without all those crosses scum would have won this a long time ago. I feel bad for not pushing on Mac like all the time the past few days. I also feel bad for not noticing that Magna's deliberate avoidance of anything to do with a Mac lynch was essentially posting a SCUM sign on him.

Do either of you scumbags have power roles of any sorts?

[diddin]

CSL I WAS TRYING TO RALLY A MAC LYNCH ON LYLO AND YOU VOTED MAGNA. DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT. Honestly I wish SSBF would have killed you because I had a much bigger town read on Vezo.

Will there be A Storm of Swords Mafia? If so, when is it, I desperately wanna play in it. Gonna read the dead QT and see how much shit people talk about me soon.

[diddin]

MOD I was wondering all game: Was I supposed to be a miller character of sorts?

[diddin]

Benmage for some reason I read all of your posts with a British accent... no clue why.

[diddin]

god dammit Seacore

[diddin]

Am I being called VI?

Haters gonna hate

[diddin]

I was being sarcastic, lol.

I don't consider myself VI, my posting style just ticks a few people off. The only thing I did that was stupid is switching to CSL the last day for some godforsaken reason.

[diddin]

that is the baddest F*cking town I have ever seen

[diddin]

Favorite scene is the

*SPOILERS*

Red Wedding Scene

Favorite characters are as always Robb and Tyrion, I also liked Jaime a HELL of a lot more in aSoS

[diddin]

LORD COMMANDER ELECTIONS. DO IT.

It could be like the Hand but with some different effect (one shot unblockable vig kill?)