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WHAT A JERK!
@Midnight: I would fly into a rage, destroying all in my path leading straight to you. All in my way would be laid waste; the path behind me a hellish wasteland, unable to sustain even the hardiest of bacteria. I would reach you, tear you limb from limb, and then slap you, just once, on the left cheekbone. I would shave your head and weave your hair into lace doilies to be placed under my morning coffee. I would rip out your toenails and force-feed them to you. Then, I would light a small fire inside your liver, and watch it spread slowly throughout your body, as I laugh and enjoy a blueberry scone.
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I was the one in the corner with bill and Nero, circumsizing the frog. (They'll probably deny it.)Where were you on the night the lights went out?
http://miniurl.org/ZetWhat are your thoughts on this game atm? Waiting to get out of RVS? Have any idea how this will happen when several people refuse to get on with it?Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Reck, I'm still waiting for a response to my question. What did the mod mean when he said that you knew why unvotes were necessary?
It seems to me that wagons are happening at lightspeed in this game. Maybe I'm just not used to large games, but this seems weird to me. Here's how it looks like stuff is going:
"Hey [insert name here] seems scummy cause of [insert single reason here]. Imma vote him"
"me too"
"me three"
"me four"
This doesn't seem productive in the least. If you're going to vote, one would think that you should at least put a teensy bit of explanation?Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Ok, did a re-read. Dram, wtf? Gandalf was clearly joking, responding to an RQ. Your suspicion of him seems rather far-fetched. UNVOTE:
Fos: Dram
Vote Count:
bv310: 4(xRECKONERx, Devotress, Midnight's Sorrow, Fate)
dramonic: 3(KDub, PranaDevil, bv310)
gandalf5166: 3(Vamparific, BlazeRb, dramonic)
quadz08: 2(inHimshallibe, Nautilius)
Chronopie: 1(bill1148)
Fate: 1(gandalf5166)
Vamparific: 1(Chronopie)
Devotress: 1(Nero Cain)
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Lynch:
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@Anyone who has played with Fate or Reckoner: Do they always play like this? Because it doesn't seem terribly productive to me.
Vote Count:
dramonic: 4(KDub, PranaDevil, bv310, gandalf5166)
quadz08: 4(inHimshallibe, Nautilius, xRECKONERx, Fate)
gandalf5166: 3(Vamparific, BlazeRb, dramonic)
bv310: 2(Devotress, Midnight's Sorrow)
Chronopie: 1(bill1148)
Vamparific: 1(Chronopie)
Devotress: 1(Nero Cain)
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@Devo: To clarify, my question was meant to imply that the way they are playing is distracting, and makes it very tough to discuss most anything seriously and continuously. It's anti-town, at best.
You're correct in saying that I haven't put forth much content, and I plan to remedy that, beginning with this post. However, I feel it's important to point out that I don't know of many players who have produced much more. But, I digress.
@dram:
Why is Gandalf the only one you're pushing, then? As Devo pointed out, he's not the only one.dram wrote:Prana, I am not pushing for nothing, I am pushing Gandalf for not doing anything, I suspect it is on purpose too.
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What post are you talking about?Fate wrote:I rather lynch quadz for his last post but it requires him being scum together with Dram anyway sooooooooo.
@Midnight:
You have put down an awful lot of votes so far, with very little of your opinion put in. Hopping on any bandwagon to Lynchville, perhaps?
@JP:
Caught up yet? Your four short posts are not very helpful.
@Nero:
I'm with Devo on the first part. Deciphering infomation is kind of the point of the game... As to the second part, I agree with you. Wagons are building up faaaar too quickly. The mob mentality is BAD.Nero wrote: And what information would we get? A role claim? A pro-town/scum response? Even then we'd have to decipher it. As far as wagon's not leading to a lynch, they don't have to but they can. What if we had a Executioner? People should reserve their vote until they are absolutely sure.
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QFT. Do you think they're possible scumbuddies? Or is it just their "site-wide alliance?"Prana wrote: Reck seems awful eager to keep Dram alive here... To the point he's allowing Dram to create an exceptionally weak case on someone else, but when Dram's called on it and voted, he'll call that a weak case when someone else follows onto the wagon and vote them... Sorry, but what? Reck's play at this point isn't pro-town, and diving headlong onto the bv wagon is bad form for everyone else when there's been no solid reasoning to do so.
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Like I told JP, your four short posts are unhelpful. Please provide some opinions.
@Blaze/replacement:
Please post.
@Nautilius:
See what I said to JP and inHim.
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Oh, shoot. When I read through your ISO the first time, I thought RVS ended earlier (in comparison to your ISO) than it actually had. You can pretty much ignore my question. Sorry!Midnight's Sorrow wrote:
You have something against vote changesquadz08 wrote:@Midnight:
You have put down an awful lot of votes so far, with very little of your opinion put in. Hopping on any bandwagon to Lynchville, perhaps?
Most of them in the beginning were RVS anyways.
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well, now it seems like you've read through stuff, at least. I would love to hear some more in-depth thought from you, though... Or even something that's understandable/defensible...Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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(sorry for the doublepost in advance.)
I can't even believe someone would do that in this game. "I wanna lynch this guy! Here, I know. I'll throw out a baseless statement to get more people to vote for him!" That's justyellingpro-town. [/sarcasm]
I would be alright with a Dram or Fate lynch today. They're both pushing for wagons with very little reasoning behind them, and both are buddying pretty heavily with Reck (to the extent where it's blatantly anti-town). If they aren't scum, they're distractions to scumhunting, and that's almost as bad.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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I don't know if it goes beyond the "alliance," but I do know that it's highly, highly anti-town.
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QFT.What's with people defending others so strongly here? You know something we don't Reck? (And I mean actual, important, worthwhile stuff for this game. Not bollocks like alt's that I don't give a toss about).
Please, guys. Play the game like it's supposed to be played. You're not helping us find scum. (Unless you are scum, in which case, keep it up! You're doing great!)Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Ugh. Reck, your play disgusts me right now. "I'm not really paying attention." Really? Whether it's Day 1 or not, there's still information to be had. You, Fate, and Dram are tops on my lynch-list right now. And I don't much care how standard this is for you on D1, it's anti-town and unhelpful.
I'm actually having trouble deciding which of the three of you I should vote for. I'd be willing to drop the hammer on any one of you.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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@JP: I'm with Fate and bill on this one. I'd like to hear who you think is scum, not just who you think isn't.
My advice would be to play a game with him then, not to incessantly buddy and protect him. That's not gonna keep either of you alive for long.Reck wrote: Also, I've stated this a hundred times, but I'd REALLY like to just play a fucking game with him since we've never been able to play one together.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Just because you're a suspect doesn't mean you can't make good points.
Vote Count:
dramonic: 5(KDub, gandalf5166, Zazier, Fate, inHimshallbe)
quadz08: 5(xRECKONERx, Devotress, Midnight's Sorrow, Chronopie, bill1148)
gandalf5166: 2(Vamparific, dramonic)
xRECKONERx: 2(PranaDevil, bv310)
Devotress: 1(Nero Cain)
Fate: 1(quadz08)
JPSalazar: 1(Nautilius)
Not Voting:
JPSalazar
Lynch:
10 votes.
Deadline:
July 22nd - 8:00 PM EST
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This is pretty heavy WIFOM. Had I reacted more seriously, your response would have been "I thought he was scummy because he freaked out when his (mostly random) wagon built up so quickly. There's no need for a reaction like that, he was still 3 votes away from lynch."Devo wrote: Calm jokey response. This goes with the reason I voted for bv too kind of, it's two approaches to a simaler game idea. When you're scum sometimes you don't want to make a big fuss about votes/accusations, you're scared that'll draw attention to yourself. Misuse of "doth protest to much" and all that.
"hey everyone look how calm I am about the fact I'm close to lynch, nope doesn't worry me" Is the kind of bad response I essentially got from quadz. Adding that onto his complaining about others not contributing being his only contribution, and these are both things I see to be scum tells.
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Care to 'splain?Glork wrote: By the way, I think it's fairly likely that at least one of {Prana, Midnight} is scum.
We know, Reck. You miss Dram. Get over it, please.Reck wrote: Though I would love me some lynchin' of ANYONE on the dramonic wagon.
Care to splain bv and Midnight? I know you mentioned JP for his lack of, well, everything on D1.Bill wrote: I'd be in biggest support of lynching, in no particular order, bv, JP, or Midnight.
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Mostly, this post, and the discussion following. Though, after a re-read of your ISO, it seems that you've answered my concerns with this statement, so I suppose you can be scratched off my list.Nero wrote:And what information would we get? A role claim? A pro-town/scum response? Even then we'd have to decipher it.
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Now, I don't know what happened in the QT, but I've yet to see anything scummy out of Prana. Midnight, on the other hand, has made over 40 posts, consisting of basically nothing. Look at his ISO; tell me if you see justification / opinions on anything. Inform me if I'm missing something.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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To respond to this: I was originally voting for you, Fate. Kise had me listed on the vote count as voting for Dram. I then unvoted and voted Dram, which made Kise realize his error.Fate wrote:
K all my fuckin games went to day at the same time soooooo ILL MAKE THIS QUICK AND TO THE POINT:xRECKONERx wrote:HOLY SHIT WAIT.
Unvote; VOTE: quadz
You were already voting dram.
If you felt strongly about the case, you'd realize you were already voting him.
Instead, though, you're jumping on a fairly weak-ass case and attempting to get him lynched.
You unvoted then voted dram just to bandwagon! Seriously?
dramonic: 10 (KDub, vezokpiraka, Zazier, inHimshallbe, PranaDevil, Chronopie, Devotress, quadz08, Midnight's Sorrow, xRECKONERx)Vote: quadz08
SHOULDA HAPPENED YESTERDAY SORRY YEAH GOT SIDETRACKED BY GLORK.
BTW GLORK IS WRONG TWO DAYS IN A ROW HE MIGHT BE DUE FOR SOME ROPE.
So... why am I scum, again? Explain, please. And this time, without the "baseless accusations," hm?Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Whoa. Let's slow down with the votes, hm? Quicklynches = bad, and who knows what went on with the last lynch.
Also, why are you voting Prana, anyway? Explain where he did something scummy, please.
And vezok, why would you make that claim? Suddenly, you're target #1 for scum, which means you (and your ability) is as good as gone. Genius.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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I think it's probably more likely that JP was hit with an ability. Half the votes required for lynch would need a RIDICULOUS ability to counter it with, which, while possible in this game, I find less likely than the ability thing.
QFTbill wrote: I'd like many people to contribute more. This includes, but is not limited to: kdub, Midnight, Fate, inHim, bv
I'm still looking at Fate and Midnight. They're top 2 on my list right now.
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Hoooooley crap. Are we REALLY just throwing our votes around like this, after what happened yesterday? This is a recipe for disaster. As far as I can tell, there is no case of any kind on BV, but there's 5 votes on him. He's at L-2.
What the hell? "Gee, a whole bunch of people are voting for this guy, I guess I'll vote for him too,vezok wrote: Something tells me it's a bad wagon. Anyway people voted for him. Nobody wants a MS or prana wagon so I will switch to bveven though I think it's a bad wagon." That is just horrendous.
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"I am Chrono, claimed mason. That means you do what I want, bitches." Gotta prove it first, sir.
Can we get some explanation on these people? For example, Fate. Why's he in your town list?
Also, why do you think the strongman is town-aligned?
Also, why the hell are you posting pretty much complete lists? Town lists are like shopping lists for scum, surely you know this.
Also, Reck, can I get an explanation on why I'm scum? I'm pretty sure I haven't gotten one yet.
And our QT hasn't been loud since Reck decided to bitch us all out over Dram's lynch.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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After reading through Bill's iso, he does feel somewhat scummy... I'm honestly not terribly sure why, though. I think there's a possibility he's scumbuddies with Reck, if he is scum. isos #4 and 5 are brief questions, while #8 is protecting him. It's far from convincing, but it just stood out to me for whatever reason.
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Are we sure that was the hammer? I only have 5 votes on inHim in my count.We need a votecount, pronto, since nobody seems to know who the hell anyone is voting for.
Just because you didn't ask for it doesn't mean your hypothetical scumbuddies wouldn't have done it.Prana wrote:Yeah, I went and asked my scum mates to kill off JP right around the time I was 25 miles away from home, at my mates house, with no internet connection and thus was V/LA... christ on a bike and the twelve disciples on a twelve seater tandem...
Fate: I think you're nuts, asking for a Glork wagon. He's played VERY pro-town, much unlike yourself. (remember the "baseless staments" bit?) I personally see no issue with Glork's play.
After this whole "is that the hammer? Wait, I thought we had a hammer before? No, we haven't hit hammer yet!" situation, AND JP's lynch, you're really trying to say that it's a bad thing that I'm being cautious with my vote? The way this town is throwing votes around is gonna be what loses this game for us. And as to looking into players, I'm looking into theirKDub wrote: quadz's latest posts are looking worse and worse to me. Fence-sitting on bill/Chrono and claiming to want to look into various players, but not actually looking into them.futureposts. I pretty regularly go back and look at ISOs; when I find something that sticks out, I mention it. I can't find what isn't there, so I'm paying extra attention to those players' posts in the future.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Couple of things here.Glork wrote:
Two things.vezokpiraka wrote:It's just weird. He posts that which could easilly be a scum slip and Fate dies. Fate who had a big case on Glork. It's pretty obvious that Fate would have investigate Glork tonight.
First, Fate had decided to follow Reck's lead and believe that I'm protown. Look at these two posts:xRECKONERx wrote:Fate, Glork isn't scum.
What does this say to you, if not "Glork is playing shitty but fine, I'll take your word that he's not scum."Fate wrote:Reck he's tellin everyone who to protect and shit.
That shit ain't right.
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It just ain't fuckin right.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
After Gears of War mafia, lurkers get the rope.
Secondly, Fate flipped JUGGERNAUT, not some kind of cop role. Fate was the strongarm Vigilante, genius. He didn't have an invesetigative role.
Now, as far as the alleged "scum slip." FUCKING GO BACK AND READ WHAT I POSTEDWITH FULL CONTEXT.
Glork in QT wrote:I also don't like the way Quadz seemed to be licking my nuts at end of day. Truth be told, Fate is a little bit right to be upset with me, because I've said some short-sighted and hasty things. My play has not been very good from a strategic perspective, and while my inklings on inHim and JP were right, I never pushed either of them as hard as I probably should have.
I think that outside of people who know me well enough to meta me as town, there probably should be some reasonable doubt on my alignment. Meh, whatevs. It means I probably won't be nightkilled, because I don't think the scums want to crosskill at this time.Vezo in QT wrote:"It means I probably won't be nightkilled, because I don't think the scums want to crosskill at this time."-Glork
What the fuck is this Glork. You are admitting you are in a scum group?
I wasn't crystal clear articulate in the sentence you picked out and decide was a "slip," but if you look at the context, it should have been VERY clear that I was talking about "Glork is really suspect right now ---> Scums don't want to crosskill ---> Scums probably won't kill Glork." Learn some fucking READING COMPREHENSION before you decide what is or isn't a "slip."Glork in QT wrote:Vezo: No, I'm saying thatif someone in a scumgroup thinks I'm scum, they won't be inclined to "crosskill" me.That sentence was made in the context of "people seem to think that I'm decently scummy right now, so I'm probably a bad nightkill choice because scums wouldn't want to kill someone who they think is scum." The funky working was due to it being 3am.
First:
As to this question: "What does this say to you, if not 'Glork is playing shitty but fine, I'll take your word that he's not scum.'" Nowhere in there does Fate imply he thinks you're any less scummy than you were. In fact, he continues to say that what you were doing was "not fuckin' right." What it says to me is "I think Glork is scummy, but nobody else agrees, and I've had experience with lurkerscum before, so inHim seems to be a good vote, too."
Of course, Fate would have put in more CAPS LAWKE and cuss words, but you get my drift.
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I agree that vezok is taking stuff out of context. vezok's point makes no sense. I have an additional point to make on this, which I will discuss later.
Third: How was I "licking your nuts," exactly? By saying you've been playing pro-town? My bad. Perhaps the rest of my post (inspired by this last post of yours) will put your mind at ease.
1st part of this post (which I talked about already) seems like he's trying too hard to push blame off of him. This could also be a result of different interpretations of Fate's post, but... I thought Fate's meaning was pretty clear.Glork wrote: What does this say to you, if not "Glork is playing shitty but fine, I'll take your word that he's not scum."
Secondly, Fate flipped JUGGERNAUT, not some kind of cop role. Fate was the strongarm Vigilante, genius. He didn't have an invesetigative role.
The 2nd part is just a strange response. Why didn't you just tell him that we didn't know Fate was a mason, and therefore could not have guessed he was the supposed cop? His flip doesn't matter either way in this circumstance. Not scummy in and of itself, but it feels like his reasoning is off, and he's stretching for answers.
And then, in the QT posts, it seems like Glork is overreacting to Fate's suspicion of him. Maybe I'm the only one, but up until now, I haven't seen anything to suggest Glorkscum. If I am the only one, then we can pretty much toss this point out the window.
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Why does it have to be one of us? It seems to me that scum would have seen your post yesterDay and gone "oh hey, they're gonna make a giant mason group that we can't win against. We should probably keep that from happening."xRECKONERx wrote:Chrono's last post in the QT said that if he winds up calling for a guilty lynch on quadz, it means he has a guilty.
Fate, me, quadz, and Chrono were the ONLY ONES in the QT. Fate & Chrono were masons who are now dead. That leaves me and chrono. I sure as fuck didn't kill our masons, so it would make sense for scumquadz to be like OH FUCK MASONS ARE INVESTIGATING ME KILL KILL KILL.
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August 17th - 11:30 PM ESTLast edited by Kise on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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I've already responded to this, in post 750.Reck wrote:QUADZ WAS GONNA BE PLACEBO-INVESTIGATED BY THE MASON COP AND KNEW CHRONO WOULD BE THE ONE TO DELIVER THAT RESULT
Why the HELL would scum listen to that? First off, how could Fate make me regret it? (this was before his flip, keep in mind.) Second, I'll just quote you: "THE WIFOM."Reck wrote:QUADZ ALSO KNEW FATE WAS ON HIS ASS (see QT post) AND WAS TOLD POINT-BLANK BY FATE TO KILL HIM TONIGHT OR ELSE HE'D REGRET ITCurrent Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?
I think it's possible there's at least one additional mason. Chrono used plural pronouns once or twice in the QT to refer to the other masons. I highly doubt there's a mason cop, as stated earlier. However, because Chrono was designated "Mason Leader" (ironic, no?) it seems strange that the 3rd mason would just be a plain mason.
2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically, WHY do you think he is town or scum?
Uhhhhh... I think I'm town, cause my role says so? lol
3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?
I think 2:2:6 seems most likely. Your analysis of the possibilities seems sound to me. From what I've worked out in my head, the best chance for us to win requires cross-killing. Like you said, even if we lynch right, if both scumgroups hit townies we'll go down to 2:1:4, then either 2:2 or 1:1:2 (which is a scum win, or prisoner's dilemma). Of course, we have a little bit of extra time because of the mass RB possibility, but essentially the argument remains the same. Basically, we need to lynch scum today, and even that won't really be enough. We'll need some help from the scum, most likely.
4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?
I'm thinking bill and bv are the scummiest. They've made what amounts to no contribution to this game.
Zaz needs to come back and post like she did on D1; I thought she was town then, but now she's fallen off the map, and I don't know what to think. Has she been posting in her QT?
Bill has not been voting for a single lynch. BV was only on inHim. I don't know what to make of that just yet; food for thought, I suppose.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.- quadz08
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Before I claim, I want everyone to look at my iso. Look through it. Find scummy behavior. Make sure you're voting for the right guy. I believe that I am a victim of Argument from Repetition. If you read through my iso and disagree, then I'll claim, but I really think that Reck has just been pushing for my lynch for so long, and so often, that you are simply conditioned to think I'm the best lynch. Go through my iso with a clear head, and tell me what you think.
Like I said, I'll claim if it doesn't change your opinion.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh. - quadz08
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