Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[Pinky and the Brain]

VOTE: DBE

she jolly well knows why

[Pinky and the Brain]

GO NINTENDO.

-The Baker

the baker?

which one of you is that?

Activity-wise, we're going to attempt to stay fairly active. We'll tag our posts, but most of the time we just discuss and post under one head rather than both saying stuff here. More affective hydra this way.

same

~Twistedspoon

(the superior head)

[Pinky and the Brain]

Its official Master Hand should be shot by the Vig just for his defensive actions right in above post.

For the record i am being serious too... I actually know what I am doing

¿Qué?


I agree with ODM regarding mass nameclaiming... but, eh, some other issues with the post.

@Mb and Dana: Why are you still RVSing? Shit's happened. Though I could give a fuck about the votes on me.

@Lelouch: Why'd you ignore Espy's vote which had no reasoning?

crap can we think of a few more likely roles?

This is rolename fishing.

<snip>

I'm going to watch the Lelouchtown wagon rise and then pick scum off of it. He's not scum, his way of going about business is just out of the ordinary.

Why'd you ignore Lucresia's post Random Vote?

You also seem to be picking out Lelouch as scummy despite then later saying he's not scum. Clarify this for me please.

~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Why aren't you attacking ODM for posting

the exact same thing

that I did?

"oh well he did it too" *walks off*

blatant mudslinging there

"look, they did it too" = scum tell.

VOTE: mb53

Cough basically people who are RADICAL are heavily investigated but the silent guys get away with it all, I want to make everyone a Radical.

This post makes no sense to me whatsoever. Why cough? What do you mean by radical?
If it wasn't for mb53's Tu Quoque then you'd have my vote right now. Talk sense or we'll reconsider

[Pinky and the Brain]

ebwop: above post was by twistedspoon

[Pinky and the Brain]

Terrible cases are terrible. And scummy.

Vote: Pinky and the Brain

and omgus isn't?

i digress. My vote says all i need to

The Lelouch wagon is completely boring. I'll let you guys handle it

gives me bad vibes

so you're not scumhunting with us because it's boring? Just because a player is boring it doesn't mean they aren't scum, no?
your passiveness neglects town's strongest weapon; their opinions.

[Pinky and the Brain]

but that he thought the case on him was boring -_-

so we can disregard all of the boring cases?

"their case is too boring to be scum. you sort it out"

~TS

[Pinky and the Brain]

@LVB: 'OMGUS' and the 'NEWB CARD' won't help you at all at this state.
It's still pretty stupid to make a list of role claims on whose town or not.
You shouldn't go to far with it anyways.
Claiming as 'Vanilla' won't get you anywhere else too.
Uhhh.

I don't like this post. The 'NEWB CARD' and list of role claims came a couple of pages ago, and you had already posted after the occurences without really batting an eyelid too much. The vanilla claim and OMGUS also came before your previous post, and this post only seems to be a feigned attempt at having an opinion on Lelouch following mb's nudge.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tragedy

his

[espeo's]

idea of a massive name claim RETARDED because now if the Mafia knows all the town Names then they know who NOT to claim for a name

lolwut?

MOI CHA! Wise Ol Man will show up and tell us everything unfortunately his house has been blown up and he is in space or dead you must pay a witch 3000 Rio to speak to him. Anyone else notice Ebisimaru? I can't find Goemon! So lets make a player list and think what setup we have first guys.

<snip'd - huge name speculation>

Don't be moronic

Glass houses. Stones.


@ Lelouch: If you had to name, say, two people other than Tragedy that you had a (confident?) town read on, who would they be?


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

@ esurio: Isn't Lelouch is talking about PMs primarily?

Tragedy case is weak considering how short Tragedy's first post after Lelouch's vanilla claim was

Hmm?

Okay, so here's context. Take out mb's post immediately underneath (#135). It seems unnatural doesn't it for Tragedy's post (#137) to suddenly come after Lelouch's (#136) when all the points addressed to Lelouch have nothing to do with his #136. It's really quite obviously a post prompted by mb's post.

We also have this recently:

I still think lelouch is town VI, rather than scum VI. There hasn't been much scum motivation through is stupidity, and it appears he is

trying

to get reads on people.

So you're still voting on Lelouch despite you think he's a Town VI, beautiful.
Your scuminess has been proven.

Tragedy says this with a RVS vote still down on DBE.

MB IS ACTING OD AS FUCK BECAUSE He KEEPS CALLING ME TOWN EVEN WITH THE CURRENT INFO ON ME AND IF I DIE THEN HE GETS TOWN CRED FOR HAVING DEFENDED SOMEONE HE NOTICED TO BE TOWN!

This paticular snippet is reading quite strongly town to me, actually. Even being hounded to death, he's astute enough to realise that there's some 'incriminating' evidence on him, and yet mb is going "TOWN TOWN TOWN" with no paticuarly compelling logic, and so he's suspicious of mb. Don't think that newb-scum would do this, so I'm leaning newb-town.

I'm not liking his seemingly unprovoked flip-flop on Tragedy, but eh. I can buy newb-town doing that.

~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Every time I log on I just feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts this gets, and I just feel like it would be folly to try and glean something from all of them in a couple hours. Though I think Lulu's explosive attitude isn't helping his case (I personally don't like his choice of words) I feel like he is just frustrated town. I don't particularly care what specific role, any town is worth keeping alive. I don't really have much that I can decipher from anyone else, but I'm working on it...

This post reads town to me.

I'm calling that dana, P&tB, and tragedy are scum.

Vote: Tragedy

Humm.

Random inclusion of dana is very odd. Very, very odd.
Why dana, mb?


@ esurio: I think you've missed what I said before -

isn't LVB talking about PMs primarily in that thread you linked to

?

Anybody who's voting because of esurio's digging should feel free to answer this as well.

Although nobody asked about it, I think it's worth mentioning that the reason I can buy LVB's change of heart with regards to Tragedy in that it could feasibly be him sheeping a town read (us).

For instance about Tragedy: he denied ever saying she was a doc. I called him out on that. He answered he has changed his mind, cuz Tragedy has apparently done something horrible that made him change his mind. What? No idea. Mistery. Not a word. My read: noobish attempt at distancing, probably suggested by his scumbuddies, since they apparently have daytalk.

So you think that scumbuddies would suggest "OMG YOU CALLING TRAGEDY (a scumbuddy) A DOC YOU'D BETTER CHANGE YOUR MIND QUICK AND CALL HER SCUMMY"?

Not buying it, tbh.


@ TMH: What are your opinions on:
a) esurio's out-of-thread investigation on LVB?
b) The people who then went 'GENIUS, ESURIO! VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!'?


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Huh.

Well, I guess my town-read on Lelouch was totally misdirected.

...

Well, Tragedy is still probably scum. Perhaps even moreso now.

She's been consistently chainsawing people attacking Lelouch.

@Lewarcher:"you say you are not really a noob VI, so you sure can handle a couple of votes, don't you?" "you played the part of the retarded newb pretty well, congrats."

So you're just voting him because he's a VI? You should at least teach the poor idiot about some parts of Mafia instead of going through the whole process of 'lynching the Newbie VI' without even making him understand the concepts.

Bad teachers are bad.

@Lew: So just because your case is pretty crappy of esuriospiritus, that's why you went back to lynching Lelouch?
"I do change my vote if my target starts looking townier or if some good case emerges. "

So you're not going to make a decent case on esuriospiritus and quit on a case you call 'crappy'?

I still think lelouch is town VI, rather than scum VI. There hasn't been much scum motivation through is stupidity, and it appears he is

trying

to get reads on people.

So you're still voting on Lelouch despite you think he's a Town VI, beautiful.
Your scuminess has been proven.

Ok, what immediately comes to my mind is that since mafia knows generally who is innocent, and I know I'm innocent, I would think the scum WOULD defend/come to my side, so that when you guys did lynch Lelouch, they could use it as leverage later on in the game if they came under suspicion. With this logic, espeonage shows up on my radar.

... And what about me?

How do you not see how obvious his "plan" was. he just wants to screw over the town that wasn't agreeing with him. He was arguing with just about all of you, why would he give you guys the scum-lynch if he didn't like any of you?

See, this makes no sense.

The people who weren't agreeing with him were by and large the people he 'thought' to be scum.

Therefore, if he is town, he wants to screw over scum (because he thinks the people disagreeing with him and annoying him he genuinely thinks to be scum). He doesn't want to screw over town, as town weren't the people annoying him. So he wouldn't claim scum, as that would screw over town, helping the people who pissed him off so much (because he believes them to be scum).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJakalope

Tragedy lynch can wait until tomorrow.


@ TMH: You may have been going to do this anyway, but just in case, please quote Toasty's post on your next post for ISO purposes. Ta.


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Love you, Hoppster <3~

Outing you as scum is the ultimate consumation of our love.

(But seriously, you're scum. Thanks for reassuring me.)


Breaching the topic of meta: I'll have another read of it, but I

[Hoppster, not Twistedspoon or this hydra account]

have played in one Open game with The Master Hand hydra, and I do seem to remember them being an similarly aggressive hydra as town. I'll post a link if anybody wants it. Their play feels virtually identical (except a few more expletives here and there).


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Overall, that was an incredibely lazy day. With the distraction gone, I strongly hope, tomorrow will be more useful and especially more active.

so true

we'll be discussing today ourselves as well

-TS

[Pinky and the Brain]

VOTE: Tragedy Still scum from yesterday, with the addition of her cop-out lurker vote. Like, seriously. Lynch plz.

esurio: Why are you voting for Ythan instead of Tragedy?

@ SSBF: Re TMH -

Lelouch was a douche

. I don't think it's fair to blame anybody for that.

Just so you understand the thoughts behind the hydra LL-reads: Twistedspoon always had a scum-read, but I had a null/leaning-town read for the most part. Then he claimed scum and Twistedspoon laughed at me in the QT. >>

This head is going to be posting for the most part now, which should make things clearer in future (most of what Twistedspoon says is gibberish anyway tbqh).

Yes, I did have a better case on Tragedy (excluding LL's scumclaim), but seriously, a Tragedy lynch-wagon was just COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC by the latter ends of the day, and keeping our vote there would just be no help at all. Plus, Tragedy made sense as a LL-buddy.

MOAR TRAGEDY VOTES.

[Pinky and the Brain]

<last post made by this account>

This was Hoppster btw in case it wasn't obvious. >>

@ esurio: Okay, thanks for the explanation.

Oh really, but Pinky has a good reason to call me scummy here.

Although I DO look scummy attempting to lynch a lurker, but everyone's just defending the lurker and lynching the SUSPICIOUS one. Really, town? I don't see THIL doing anything other than myself.
This is getting more scummier as hell for people to just HOP on me because I'm trying to LYNCH a LURKER, that you're ALL "DEFENDING".

Is this sarcasm? I honestly can't tell.

You're also getting waaaay too paranoid here. I haven't defended Thil at all. I just said you're scummy for voting Thil when there was the issue of Lelouch claiming scum.

You're also referring to people in general - yet I'm the only person voting you. Yes, I'm encouraging people to vote you but it's just me at the moment.

Are you calling me scummy for encouraging people to vote you by saying it's scummy for people to hop onto the Tragedy-wagon (choo choo!)? Nobody else is on the wagon so I can't see who else it COULD be directed at, yet in the context you're not actively attacking me so I really can't tell. If you are calling me scummy, why no vote?

Even if you're not calling me scummy, why no vote? You're not even voting for Thil who you confess to trying to lynch.

(And don't be scared of the wagon, Tragedy, it's made out of LOOOOOVE! <3)


~ Hoppster.

[Pinky and the Brain]

(<3 CHOO-CHOO!? NOOOOO... <3.)
I'm not calling you scum here, Hoppy~
It's not just you- It's general thoughts~
...I wasn't voting?...OshitUrRight.

General thoughts on WHO though? Your imaginary friends?

AND YOU STILL HAVE NO VOTE.

[Pinky and the Brain]

<Last post on this account>

Yeah, that was Hoppster again. -_-

DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M PUSHING?... Nope.
General Thoughts as In everybody.. Everyone should at least understand why I was originally pushing for THIL.

SO IS THIL SCUM IN YOUR OPINION OR NOT I'M SO CONFUSED.

Also just noticed this:

Although I DO look scummy attempting to lynch a lurker, but everyone's just defending the lurker and lynching the SUSPICIOUS one. Really, town?

You're criticising town for lynching suspicious people. Lulz. <3

AND WAI YOU NO VOTING ANYBODY STILL? >>

You don't think ANYBODY is supicious (apart from yourself)?

I'm still sitting my vote on DBE.

Explain this to me plz (from before, obviously).


~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

DBE hasn't been making a case since she has returned.
So where is she now?

SO WHY YOU NO VOTING HER?

SO WHY YOU UNVOTE HER AT ALL?


(Also, she is site-wide AWOL I believe. She has been having computer issues.)


@ RedCoyote: You do need to read SSBF's post, because HE DONE FOS'D YOU! OHHHH SNAP. *clicks fingers*

mb's stance on Lelouch has been a bit dodgy at times, but seriously, Tragedy is the vote for today.

I would be going for lulu if he could look any scummier, but at least I'll have Andy chasing me to die.

I MEAN LOOK AT THIS SHE DIDN'T VOTE LELOUCH AT ALL

[Pinky and the Brain]

EBWOP: Yep, ~ Hopp again. >>

[Pinky and the Brain]

I'm back~
Anyways, did I say Lelouch was scum here? Nooo.

YOU STRONGLY IMPLIED IT.

I would be going for lulu if he could look any scummier

Translation: SO YAH LULU SRSLY SCUMMY COULDN'T LOOK SCUMMIER BUT NOT GONNA VOTE UNLESS HE GETS EVEN MORE SCUMMY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE STRONGLY IMPLIED THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.

Y'know, the expression: "Damn, Tragedy, could you be any more in denial?" <--- Me implying that you could not be any more in denial.

I unvoted DBE to jump on Thil, you forgot that~?

No, that's my point which I have been building up to (LIKE A NINJA).

Why unvote a lurker to vote another lurker?!

TRAGEDY, NEXT TIME YOU'RE SCUM YOU SHOULD TOTEZ KILL ME N1.

@ RedCoyote: You do need to read SSBF's post, because HE DONE FOS'D YOU! OHHHH SNAP. *clicks fingers*

I noticed. Just because he suspects me doesn't mean I can't think he's town.

Don't you have any defence against his suspicions though? No witty rebuttal? This isn't the RedCoyote I know.

[Pinky and the Brain]

FFFFFFF.

~ Hopp.


ASSUME FROM NOW ON THAT ALL POSTS ARE FROM THE HOPPSTER HEAD

[Pinky and the Brain]

ASSUME FROM NOW ON THAT ALL POSTS ARE FROM THE HOPPSTER HEAD

that would be quite naive considering we're a hydra

Hey guys, sorry for lurking so much at the end of day 1. I want to reread this thread since it's been so long since lynch occurred.

so what do you think of the hammer then, CP?

This head is going to be posting for the most part now, which should make things clearer in future (most of what Twistedspoon says is gibberish anyway tbqh).

¬_¬

~Le Twistedspoon

[Pinky and the Brain]

I am saddened by the lack of Tragedy votes.

In an attempt to kick-start the wagon, I am compiling my case into one post. Those of you reading along at home might want to have Tragedy's ISO opened up in another tab so you can follow it as I'm going along.

Spoiler: Interpretation of Tragedy's posts

#0 - Okay, a RVS vote. For lurking, which presumably is a joke because it's RVS and nobody else has posted yet.

#1 - Fluff.

#2 - My random vote is to get DBE to post?

#3 - Fluff.

#4 - Fluff.

#5 - Is your vote RVS? Also, where's Darla? My vote has been on her for nothing if she didn't confirm!

#6 - Let's pretend I'm talking about something relevant.

#7 - I like this Darla wagon even though it's a RVS vote from me and we're on page 5 and plenty of stuff has happened.

#8 - I'm being helpful and contributing to the game!

#9 - Oops, mb53 just realised I've been doing nothing, let me look like I am taking initiative with making points to Lelouch.

#10 - Oh noes! Pinky and the Brain are onto me, let me deflect onto people lurking!

#11 - I'm going to take the moral high ground in an attempt to look like I'm scum-hunting.

#12 - Oops, he got me. Quick, subject change!

#13 - Dodge!

#14 - I haven't really been reading, BUT I THINK I CAN TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING SCUMMY! But I'm gonna leave my RVS vote on Darla.

#15 - Hooray for active lurking!

#16 - Let me pretend I have a purpose for keeping my RVS vote on Darla!

#17 - Somebody with less content than me? Ooh, haven't posted in a while, better make up for lost time with a bit more fluff.

#18 - Scrapping my RVS vote to vote a lurker! I sure am being helpful this game!

#19 - Yay hypocrisy!

#20 - Let me dodge the issue of a Lelouch wagon to pointlessly push my lurker vote, whilst also throwing out some vague non-specific suspicions!

#21 - Don't want to answer Dekes, so I'd better deflect more!

#22 - That's right, my vote is still on thil, let me justify it by stealing somebody else's words so that it's harder to attack me!

#23 - Ohh, Dekes caught me, let me say something that is vague enough so that it's not clear whether I think it is scummy or not.

#24 - Lurking is bad, thil. Active lurk like me!

#25 - Fluff. OHWAIT DID I JUST ADMIT I'M PUSHING A VOTE ON THIL FOR LURKING WHEN I KNOW DARLA IS LURKING EVEN MORE HARDCORE?

#26 - Super-fluff-vague-suspicions-combo!

#27 - OMGUS! Never mind that I've dodged taking a stance on Lelouch so far and I also have a vote on Thil despite the Lelouch wagon being at L-2.

#28 - Look, I haven't been defending Lelouch! I've purposely been fence-sitting!

#29 - Dodge!

#30 - I AM BEING HELPFUL!!11!1!

#31 - It's Darla! ... wait, wasn't I 'suspicious' of you for lurking?

#32 - I've been completely ignoring the Lelouch/Jackalope wagon, but let me ask for a vote count so it looks like I wasn't just avoiding it!

#33 - I know I've been hating on lurkers, but it's Ythan! I can't hate on Ythan!

#34 - Vague suspicions/attacks ftw!!!!

#35 - OMG I'M NOT VOTING!!1!! OH NOES!!! [Proceeds not to make a vote]

#36 - Maybe if I'm vague enough he'll stop attacking me!

#37 - Thanks for reminding me I was 'suspicious' of Darla for not posting! Better dodge the rest of your points though.

#38 - Good job I completely distanced myself from that Lelouch issue yesterday! BTW I unvoted the lurker to vote another lurker, stupid.

#39 - Wooooops, let me ignore this post where you show how flawed my logic is.

tl;dr

- Tragedy is scum. Vote Tragedy.

I approve of the voting bloc. Now, vote Tragedy please.


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Oh, look, Tragedy's ignoring me now. How adorable. <3


Okay, compiling the ISO analysis of Tragedy into a case:

Her erratic voting/Inconsistent stance on lurking

Okay, so she makes a RVS vote (which incidentally is the first post of the game, so it couldn't actually be for lurking, and she later implies it was due to Simpsons Mafia)... And then keeps it for

17 posts

, with no paticular reason provided at the time (however she has recently qualified/implied it was for lurking).

However, she then says mb53's scumminess has been proven (for a totally incorrect reason) - keeping her RVS vote on Darla. lolwut?

When she does unvote... it's to vote another lurker. Useless vote, changing her vote for a useless reason, presumably to fake scum-hunting. She criticises him for his number of posts - guess who has less? Uh-huh, Darla, whom she unvoted to pursue Thil. Riiight. She even acknowledges Darla has less posts, advocating a Policy Lynch yet keeping her vote on Thil. Ooookay.

Then, Darla shows up - Tragedy responds with a greeting. No "WHERE YOU BEEN, DARLA?" Just "Hey!" She then reassures Ythan over his activity. Huh. She then implies she is aware of Darla's continuing failing activity today, but decides it's no longer voteworthy.

Lack of a vote on Lelouch/Distancing from the wagon

So, yeah. She says nothing at all about the whole Lelouch shenanigans. She makes an obviously prompted and horribly feigned post on him here, and makes a post here strongly implying she finds Lelouch terribly scummy yet decides to keep her vote on Thil. She then calls TheJackalope (Lelouch's replacement) scummy, but yet again keeps her vote on Lelouch.

She makes literally NO MENTION of the building wagon on Lelouch, nor of the digging done by esurio.

Fail-Defences/Dodging/Ignore

Self-explanatory, this. Deflection from here. Dodge. Ignoring Dekes. Dodging my points. Dodging this. Dodging this. Still dodging. Is this a defence?


~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

It's alarming me how people are jumping on my beautiful Tragedy wagon in what seems to be a lazy counter-wagon to this Espeonage wagon. >>

So, yeah. I don't like Thil and mb's votes on Tragedy.

I'm horribly torn.


Thil: Explain how Tragedy's voting today is any more useless than yours yesterday.

3. Nothing wrong with spreading the pressure

@RC As I said, my suspects are pretty much the same as yesterday, and I thought that tragedy would be the best place for my vote at the moment

You still think I'm scum? Also, if you want to spread the pressure, why vote for Tragedy (who already has votes) rather than myself?

TRAGEDY: PLZ BE DOING SOMETHING WITH YOUR VOTE, THANKS.

While you're at it, acknowledging my case would be good.


@ GhostWriter: Thoughts on espeo & Tragedy plz.

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

@PatB: I'm sorry, I don't follow... I agree with your case of tragedy scum(and think that the evidence supports it, plus my being the target of her aggression) and you say my vote is useless? Is this because it is essentially an OMGUS vote?

No, my point was that your vote seemed to be because she was attacking you without voting you, with the implication being that her voting is useless (which it is). However, my point was that your voting on D1 was equally as awful as her voting today.

Tragedy, who are you suspicious of?

Of Espeonage.

SO MAKE A GODDAMN VOTE.

And stop ignoring me please. <3


@ espeonage: What's your Tragedy read?

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

VOTE: Espeonage

Let me guess, you knew Tragedy wasn't scum as well, just like Lelouch wasn't scum?

Then who is scum, pray tell? And why dodge the matter of the Tragedy wagon all yesterday?


@ dana: Was the Tragedy hammer simply due to the claim?

@ xtoxm: Why did you have Tragedy as null? Please expand on this.

@ RC: I appreciate that it was a joke(?) about the unreliable vote count programme used by the mod, but did you really have nothing else to say? You also showed intent to move to the Tragedy wagon - why did this not materialise?

@ Kdub: What was your read on Tragedy whilst catching up?

@ mb: Scumspects still the same as yesterday (and, by extension, roughly the same as Day 1)?

[Pinky and the Brain]

Damnit.

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

Ythan, I don't believe you're currently voting. What's the point in saying you'd be willing to vote somebody, and then proceeding not to vote them, if you don't already have a vote?

Ghostwriter, I ISO'd you and Ctrl + F'd 'Ythan'. Your vote is the first mention of him. Care to explain?

[Pinky and the Brain]

WHY DO I ALWAYS REMEMBER AFTER I POST

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

@Everyone voting Espeonage: Whats the different between Espeonage and Mb53?

Mb53 has scum-reads. Although, granted, Espeonage could be onto something with Xtoxm.

Also, why no vote yet?

On Tragedy and Espeonage: Neither has impacted on me in any way to alter my reads of them from null. If one of these two are to die today, then i'm not too bothered which one.

This Espeonage wagon has grown far too quickly. I looked into him over the night phase, and i'm pretty sure he's town.

What changed?

Also, judging from your post you suspect there is scum on the Espeonage wagon. Any idea who?

I wasn't thrilled with mb53 or thil's votes on her

Why not?


@ RC: So are you saying you believe Espeonage is (overconfident) town?

~ Hoppster
(Woo, I remembered.)

[Pinky and the Brain]

PatB:
Their votes seemed quick and not well-supported by earlier interactions with Tragedy. Are you asking me because you disagree?

No, in fact I also didn't like their votes. I just got the impression that you were sheeping what I had said before, so I wanted to see whether you actually had reasoning.

What I do with my vote is completely up to me, I don't

think

I want to use it yet.

Eeeugh. Don't

think

you want to use it? What makes you doubt

yourself

on whether you want to vote or not?

Request replacement

I have no interest in playing with people who are just going to moan and insult me.

o.0

... insult? Are you kidding me? You've been on the site for over 3 years, and I really struggle to believe you've been replacing out ever since people tossed a "can't play mafia"-esque insult at you, which FYI I would probably put on the same level as (or perhaps

marginally

more offensive than) a "THIS ARGUMENT/POST IS STUPD" remark, which happen

all the fricking time

.

And, to be frank, it's hardly as if you've actually been playing with him (or any of us). 7 posts (3 of which contain NO content) in almost a month? Seriously? Yes, I'm moaning, because it seems like game is doomed to be plague by replacements.

~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thil

Spoiler: thil - Recent Posts

Right now my reads fit in with the group, and just listing them out would rehash what has already been said.

Since the two lynches we've had have both been town, I'm thinking the scum are among the people who are lurking (If you want to be a jerk and call me out on this, go ahead, it should make you look more town) but clearly all of them couldn't be.

Context:

espeonage at L-3.

General opinion would seem to be espeonage is scum, yet thil provides no reason for not voting, despite saying his reads fit in with the group. He also thinks scum are among the lurkers - an opinion not voiced strongly by anybody else (thus not really fitting in with the group). Who is he classifying as lurking anyway? In other words, a very vague and non-specific attack.

What I do with my vote is completely up to me, I don't think I want to use it yet.

He doesn't

think

he wants to use his own vote. What about voting with popular opinion? He admitted to having similar reads earlier. (See #26)

I'm just not confident in any vote that I could lay down right now. And I don't see how not-voting would be scummy, in fact, it would let the day go longer, and with more being said means more information for town. But if you want me to lay down a vote, give me a good person to vote, and exactly why I should.

See #33.

I've been reading the thread Ythan. I said, I'm not confident with a vote, so clearly all the previous cases weren't enough to convince me.

See #34.

Am I the only person that thinks Hohum is trolling?

I'm not even sure what he means here... is he calling hohum trolling town? Trolling scum?

I've been reading the thread Ythan. I said, I'm not confident with a vote, so clearly all the previous cases weren't enough to convince me.

vote: Hohum

I have never seen a more spontaneous vote and that does not sit well with me.

So, hohum makes this 'spontaneous' vote, thil makes a post, then 11 posts later decides to vote hohum without even mentioning him in the first post.

RC's post here also covers this pretty well.

Spoiler: thil - Past posts

Ok tragedy. Chill out about my "lurking" what else do you actually have on me to call me scum?

He later contradicts this by saying scum are lurking in #26 (in that aforementioned non-specific attack).

Tragedy, you keep trying to make a case against someone, but you aren't even committing yourself to them.(I'm aware that this has been said before)

What exactly are you trying to accomplish by passively tunneling on me? I'd say you are just scum trying to start a wagon without being involved with the lynch.

vote: Tragedy

This coming from somebody who later agrees with the popular read of espeonage as scum (see #26) yet doesn't vote (see #34).

Spoiler: Other stuff

Let's lynch Espeonage and see where it goes. If he flips town, I will be MORE inclined to lynch esurio.

Why?

After rereading a bit, I'm pretty sure Xtoxm/hohum is town.

Is this based on posts from Xtoxm, hohum, or a combination of the two of them?

What I do with my vote is completely up to me, I don't

think

I want to use it yet.

Eeeugh. Don't

think

you want to use it? What makes you doubt

yourself

on whether you want to vote or not?

I loled. Whats with you trying to find scummy things in things that aren't scummy?

Your post suggests you believe I have a history of trying to find scummy things in things that aren't scummy. Y/N? Also:

@ mb: Scumspects still the same as yesterday (and, by extension, roughly the same as Day 1)?

Pine is absolutely right that people are trying to discredit him before he even has a chance to post reads.

I on the other hand have no problem being insulted or moaned at

Unvote, Vote esurio

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHA.


Oh boy.

Umm. Awwwwwkward.

I've been on record for a few pages now as saying I think

[the Espeonage/Pine slot is]

town.

You never provided reasoning, though. I would be grateful if you did?

P-Edit: I agree with RedCoyote. Let's all sheep his thil vote.

[Pinky and the Brain]

FRICK.

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

I notice you have no problem giving TMH a hard time for hydra-lurking, yet you don't mention Pinky & the Brain, who have lurked a hell of a lot harder, have fewer posts, and about a third of those posts were "oops, forgot to sign which head this was" posts.

It suprises me that you claim to have just finished re-reading, and yet you feel compelled to say this. I'm not one to blow my own trumpet (usually), but I do think that I have been one of the more pro-active case-makers.

(I am also in a similar boat to Toasty, as I'm quite sure Twistedspoon is deliberately ignoring this thread/the hydra QT now.)

I really do wish I could contribute something to this game, but nothing's happening that I can comment on. Can the people on random wagons just vote someone that might be lynched, so we can get a move on?

Which wagons specifically do you mean by this?

@esurio: dunno about the others, but this is what I think about dana. I used to think he was scummy, basically for the reasons discussed since the beginning of day 2. I then liked his iso 32, but his ISO 35 is back to usual scumminess. He is a viable lynch. But after TWO damn wagons grew and colapsed, I still think that espeo/pine lynch would not only dispose of one scum, but also provide us with interesting information about the counterwagons.

I fail to see why the people voting thill don't understand this simple fact. And the reason I fail to see it is that they won't tell.

The reason we don't understand the simple fact of resulting information being interesting may be that you're not really saying anything at all by calling it 'interesting'.

Then I guess I don't understand it

Okay then thil, tell me, what exactly did you mean by this:

Right now my reads fit in with the group, and just listing them out would rehash what has already been said.

What reads were you talking about (please list them out/rehash them for me)?

Mod: Vote count, please?

I'ma go out have some fun.

BUT MAFIA IS FUN TOO!!!!!111!

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

Ythan, anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you.


Got roleblocked last night.

Oh dear, this is an awful post.

Is Ythan town for attacking an un-CC'd cop (in you)? Or is it scummy of him?

You claimed cop. You claimed a guilty on Pine. Pine flipped scum.

Yet when you're then attacked the next day, your answer is "anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you"?

That's not the attitude of a cop.

VOTE: thil

ok, let us start from here:

vote: ythan

why would a scum player:
1) claim cop in a themed closed setup, risking a cc;
2) invent an absurd story about him investigating only one night out of two.

I would certainly not rule out the latter. And for the former, he was looking likely to get lynched. As scum, it's not unreasonable to try and draw out a CC as you go down.

Hmm. After reviewing the evidence, I tend to agree that thil's actions read more like inept scum than unfortunate town. I'll

vote: thil

and see what happens. The wagon should at least get us some information. So I guess we have a vig, a SK, and mafia shooting at the same time, then?

I wouldn't be too opposed to a dana lynch either, though. Whilst I'd prefer thil, the above post is reading strongly to me as scum poking the waters on getting a thil lynch.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

See, but he's not going to get any incorrect results - he's not going to get any, period. Either he's going to continue the 'OH I WAS ROLEBLOCKED' charade, or if he's actually town he's just going to continue to be roleblocked.

Essentially, you are giving him a free pass for the rest of the game.

If that's what the rest of the town chooses, I will, and then I will enjoy watching you guys squirm.

Hmm, coming from somebody who apparently wins with the rest of the town. Wut.

@Dana: What information will it give us?

What information will what give us?

I

was talking about the wagon, not necessarily his lynch. I'm still not sure if I plan to lynch him.

o.0

Ummm. He's a claimed cop, and you weren't sure whether you wanted to lynch him, but you voted him?

Ythan, do you think that scum fakeclaiming cop would claim to have failed to send in an action N1? If anything, that strikes me as more likely to be an honest answer. That just raises extra doubts when he could have easily claimed an innocent on someone if he was lying.

WIFOM. It's certainly not a town-tell, it's probably null. But, as I've said, it is something I would do as scum.

All you have been doing is pointing every last detail about my actions, call them scummy, and dismiss what I say and label it scummy posting. I would say YOU sir, are being disingenuous.

'K, why no vote?

I am still very nervous about the current situation, tho, and the path I picked is already being pressured. So for the time being I prefer to put my vote on another FoS of mine and give thil some more time to post some content.

What will this achieve (giving thil time)? He's already very scummy, are you suggesting that if he suddenly starts being less scummy we should excuse his past scummy behaviour and focus on his actual content just because he's claimed cop (who doubtless will be 'roleblocked' for the rest of the game)?

Ythan...these are the following options for thil
1)He truly is a cop who found Espeonage scum. if this is the case then your tunnelling on him and a town flip makes

you

the lynch

Why Ythan? Why nobody else voting thil (dana, myself, Dekes, esurio)?

Something rubbed me wrong about PaTB's thil vote. It seemed rather forced in response to a somewhat reasonable post.

How so? Thil's post was a truly awful post. As of that post, I would have no idea at all whether thil found Ythan's attacks scummy or not. Did that not concern you?

I'm going to relent for (just) the moment. If I determine that I should claim I will let us decide whether my information is as significant as I think.

So why no unvote?

you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why.

I don't want to help you to look less scummy

Yeah...

Well I'll tell you this much. You're not looking very town, Ythan's not looking very town, The Master Hand is looking pretty town, and thil's a complete wild card. So I'll

unvote vote: lewarcher

for self-contradiction.

That's not a contradiction. The first post is just a different way of saying thil is scummy because he joins wagons without explaining why.

~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Link to hydra-fail post for ISO purposes. Sorry 'bout that.

Requoting would be impractical due to immense quotage.

[Pinky and the Brain]

thil: Thoughts on the whole Ythan 'not having role information' situation, ta. (Did You think he was hinting at something, etc.)

[Pinky and the Brain]

/prod-dodge?

Post under construction right now (and will be up later tonight), need to get this post in before I get prodded though.

[Pinky and the Brain]

I have explicitly stated that I have information. I have denied having the kind of information certain narrowminded players assumed I was claiming.

Sorry, me being incompetent again. Failed at interpreting this post:

The part where I said I didn't have role information.

Queen of the shitty readers, or lying.

@ thil: A rephrased version of the question - what

did you think at the time

of Ythan's posts allegedly (according to others) hinting at him being a (counter-claiming) cop?

@ Ythan: Did anything in paticular motivate/provoke you to claim, or was it literally just to 'see what happens'?

Still happy with my vote

Why did you bother posting this?

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

@PatB: I didn't believe him, and if he had explicitly claimed cop I would be very inclined to call him definite scum.

Is this based on:

a) His play not fitting with the claim (not fitting with that of a cop)
b) The actual claim alone (ie. you doubting there would be two cops in the setup)
c) The way/manner in which he had been (allgedly) soft-claiming cop
d) Other - please state?

~ Hoppster

[Pinky and the Brain]

C, a counter claim should be outright and not just a small hint. Counter claiming is a big move that will show who is scum and who isn't. The fact that he sort of played around it didn't make me think he was cop.

Besides, I already AM the cop

.

Pine, it would be no surprise to me if there were more than one cop with the amount of people that signed up for this, so unless the mod wanted to put in every obscure role, he may have doubled roles, but that's just what I think. There very well could be another cop, or more than one doctor/vig/whatever.

thil, don't these contradict each other? Leaving aside the

way

in which Ythan would have been allegedly breadcrumbing/soft-CC'ing, you're saying that you are

the

[implying one and only]

cop

(as an additional reason for doubting a Ythan cop counter-claim), yet earlier you said you wouldn't be suprised with more than one cop.

Un-cc'ed cop claim that caught scum >> reads. That's my "opinion".

To what extent would you stick with this? Or is this an absolute rule that you will apply for the rest of the game, regardless of anything else, as long as thil remains un-CC'd?

[Pinky and the Brain]

Spoiler tags basically sum up what I say in the spoilers - thil is scum, don't lynch Ythan, thil is scum, etc.

Spoiler: @ The Master Hand (also stuff saying thil is scum)

Yet when you're then attacked the next day, your answer is "anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you"?

That's not the attitude of a cop.

You're justifying the vote on thil by saying "that's not how a cop would play".
Which is a crappy excuse. We're not talking about how roles interact.
We're talking about how PEOPLE interact.
And thil isn't your average good player on mafia. Sorry. You're expecting him to play godlike because he's cop. Being a cop does not mean you must play godlike. It means that when you get a guilty you get a Mo-Fo lynched. Simple as that.

Perhaps I phrased it badly, but the gist of what I was trying to say was that, essentially, he's scummy, and his fake-claim does not match up with his behaviour.

I am not expecting him to play amazingly or 'godlike' if he were the cop. I am expecting people who are town-aligned to not play scummy, regardless of their role (with perhaps the exception of people who know what they are doing and play just scummy enough to avoid NKs with a strong PR). He is scummy, so I think he is scum. It'd be the same if he claimed to be a VT. He is scummy, he is probably scum. He's going to claim "oops RB'd teehee" for the rest of the game anyway, so for all intents and purposes he may as well be a claimed VT.

See, but he's not going to get any incorrect results - he's not going to get any, period. Either he's going to continue the 'OH I WAS ROLEBLOCKED' charade, or if he's actually town he's just going to continue to be roleblocked.

I beg to differ. He'll pull results if he's scum and confident in his non-death.
No one gets a free pass. Saying someone does is bullshit.
Yaaaay misrep?

What?

If I were thil-scum, I would never pull results from this point onwards unless perhaps a scum RB flipped. It's quite clear people are letting him live simply through virtue of him not being CC'd. He never needs to fake any result, because he's going to be allowed to live.

What you're saying is that if he's scum, he's going to fake results, yet if he was town, he'd continue to be roleblocked, so claiming results would be equivalent to a scum-claim. Not gonna happen.

No, I'm just ignoring your claim for now. You thought thil was scum albeit the claim; same here. Doc claim does nothing for you IMO.

Okay, ignoring thil's claim, is he still a town-read?

Spoiler: @ other people (also, let's not lynch Ythan. Oh, and thil is scum)

now see three options:

1) lynching Ythan.
2) lynching dana.
3) pulling a shot in the dark and lynch one of your FoS's, hopping we will be lucky and hit a strong scum hidden in the bloc. Risky move.

umm wat.

Remind me why we can lynch Ythan but not thil.

Because you failed to get us to believe in your unsaid information, you had to think of something to claim to either:
1) Get a counterclaimed of a PR
2) Have people believe you
Obviously, none of us were believing you were a cop counterclaiming, so you wouldn't have claimed that. Doctor would either get someone to counter claim or you get off scotch free. Sadly it didn't work like that. Your information saying Thil = scum, was nothing more then WIFOM. I would risk losing you as a doctor even without a counterclaim.

Vote Ythan

umm wat.

People who think Ythan is scum and thil is town: Ythan-scum WOULD HAVE CC'd thil-town. He was pushing thil's lynch hard, a lot of people seemed to think he was hinting at a cop CC and were willing to buy it, yet he claims doc.

Ythan-scum would know he would be looked at closely following a tunnel on un-CC'd cop thil-town flip, so he would have gone for broke with the CC.

Even with thil-scum, it's probably more likely Ythan-scum would have CC'd for huge town-cred with a thil-scum flip.

@Ythan: ok, a suggestion. Sit in front of a mirror, repeat 50 times the sentence "you were an idiot", then come back and tell me: do you still want to lynch thil?

DAMNIT WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND

thil is scummy REGARDLESS of Ythan's antics. Pretend what Ythan did never happened. THIL IS STILL SCUM.

Spoiler: @ thil (who is scum, read on)

However, I don't think Ythan would be the best lynch, sure he dies, but if he really is the doctor, that leaves me out in the firing line. I'm not entirely convinced that Ythan is scum, just completely arrogant.

Okay, who do we lynch? And why are you still not voting?

WHY HAVE YOU NOT VOTED ALL DAY?!

All you have been doing is pointing every last detail about my actions, call them scummy, and dismiss what I say and label it scummy posting. I would say YOU sir, are being disingenuous.

Honestly, I say both, because I would now say he is scum, and lying to kill off a PR. His severe tunneling and attacking of me is almost out of the blue, and the reasons against it he is completely ignoring. He has just been non-stop attacking me with points against me, and has almost entirely ignored my defense. The problem is,

he's succeeding.

I expect you to know the consequences of playing a deplorably scummy game.

And yet you don't want to lynch Ythan and also have not voted for him

ALL GAME

?


And thil, why you dodging this?

C, a counter claim should be outright and not just a small hint. Counter claiming is a big move that will show who is scum and who isn't. The fact that he sort of played around it didn't make me think he was cop.

Besides, I already AM the cop

.

Pine, it would be no surprise to me if there were more than one cop with the amount of people that signed up for this, so unless the mod wanted to put in every obscure role, he may have doubled roles, but that's just what I think. There very well could be another cop, or more than one doctor/vig/whatever.

thil, don't these contradict each other? Leaving aside the

way

in which Ythan would have been allegedly breadcrumbing/soft-CC'ing, you're saying that you are

the

[implying one and only]

cop

(as an additional reason for doubting a Ythan cop counter-claim), yet earlier you said you wouldn't be suprised with more than one cop.

Prefer dana to Ythan if it has to be one of those two. Even still, dana's posting has been reading as more town recently. But with 4 days, it looks really unlikely I'm going to get my thil-scum lynch. >>

I am willing to switch over to the dana (who is L-2 atm) wagon if by tomorrow the thil wagon is still depressingly failing.

~ Hopp

[Pinky and the Brain]

Remind me why we can lynch Ythan but not thil.

I have already written what I now think of Ythan, but here is a new formulation of my point of view, which I challenge you to contraddict. Ythan has been on site for two years, you guys will not get me to believe he has possibly thought that his night actions implied thil is scum. I don't buy it.

I simply see no reasons to lynch thil. I don't agree with the cases on him and when I voted him, I was convinced that Ythan was going to claim something very different and much more compelling. I will not support a thil lynch under this circumstances.

So, you don't think it's a possibility Ythan-town thought his night actions meant thil-scum, yet you do think it's a possibility Ythan-scum thought he could convince us that his night actions meant thil-scum? Using the very same night actions you

don't

think Ythan-town would have thought meant thil-scum? So you're basically saying Ythan-scum didn't even bother thinking through his fake night actions at all?

Ythan-town and Ythan-scum are the same player, both have been on the site for two years. If you don't think that Ythan-town would have thought his night actions = thil scum lynch, then you can't possibly think that Ythan-scum would have thought his fake night actions = thil cop mislynch.

Somebody tell me why Ythan-scum would have come out with his doctor night-action derp.


Let me summarise thil's play today for you.

• "I'M NOT SCUM, I PINKY-SWEAR"
  
• "YTHAN YOU ARE SCUMMY"
  
• <notable absence of Ythan vote - any vote, in fact>
  
• "ACTUALLY LET'S NOT LYNCH YTHAN"

[Pinky and the Brain]

Spoiler: @ thil (who is scum, read on)

However, I don't think Ythan would be the best lynch, sure he dies, but if he really is the doctor, that leaves me out in the firing line. I'm not entirely convinced that Ythan is scum, just completely arrogant.

Okay, who do we lynch? And why are you still not voting?

WHY HAVE YOU NOT VOTED ALL DAY?!

All you have been doing is pointing every last detail about my actions, call them scummy, and dismiss what I say and label it scummy posting. I would say YOU sir, are being disingenuous.

Honestly, I say both, because I would now say he is scum, and lying to kill off a PR. His severe tunneling and attacking of me is almost out of the blue, and the reasons against it he is completely ignoring. He has just been non-stop attacking me with points against me, and has almost entirely ignored my defense. The problem is,

he's succeeding.

I expect you to know the consequences of playing a deplorably scummy game.

And yet you don't want to lynch Ythan and also have not voted for him

ALL GAME

?


And thil, why you dodging this?

C, a counter claim should be outright and not just a small hint. Counter claiming is a big move that will show who is scum and who isn't. The fact that he sort of played around it didn't make me think he was cop.

Besides, I already AM the cop

.

Pine, it would be no surprise to me if there were more than one cop with the amount of people that signed up for this, so unless the mod wanted to put in every obscure role, he may have doubled roles, but that's just what I think. There very well could be another cop, or more than one doctor/vig/whatever.

thil, don't these contradict each other? Leaving aside the

way

in which Ythan would have been allegedly breadcrumbing/soft-CC'ing, you're saying that you are

the

[implying one and only]

cop

(as an additional reason for doubting a Ythan cop counter-claim), yet earlier you said you wouldn't be suprised with more than one cop.

Thanks for dodging, thil.

With a mass-prod I still hold out hope of the masses coming to this thread and realising how obvious scum thil is.

WE STILL HAVE TIME, PEOPLE.

Let me summarise thil's play today for you.

• "I'M NOT SCUM, I PINKY-SWEAR"
  
• "YTHAN YOU ARE SCUMMY"
  
• <notable absence of Ythan vote - any vote, in fact>
  
• "ACTUALLY LET'S NOT LYNCH YTHAN"

Added to this to take account of recent posts:

• <dodges PatB's persistent pushing of obvthilscum>
  
• <dodges PatB's persistent pushing of obvthilscum>

More to say but no time, need to get this in so people vote thil.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Because I hold my townread on him regardless. We'll get a better look into what's going on after tonight, when they (mafia) CAN kill thil (no YthanDoc) and RB someone else like the person who killed one of them the other night.

They could have killed thil if they wanted to by RB'ing Ythan.

Ultimately, though, thil is probably not going to be NK'd, because he's scum.

Claim: Aurora Unit 242, Even Night Sensor

Roleblocked last night, but Night 2 results - 3 anti-town players on the Tragedy wagon.

Tragedy

- 10 - Pinky and the Brain,

SSBF

, thil13, mb53, GhostWriter, crazypianist1116,

Dekes

, esuriospiritus,

Ythan

,

danakillsu

- (L-0)

So, removing flips (and myself of course) that leaves 3 scum in:

1. thil
   
2. mb (now DemonHybrid)
   
3. GhostWriter
   
4. cp (now weirdalex)
   
5. esurio

THAT'S PRETTY DAMN GOOD ODDS.

I crumbed it in my first post of Day 3:

Let me guess, you knew Tragedy wasn't

scum

as well, just like Lelouch wasn't

scum

?

Then who is

scum

, pray tell? And why dodge the matter of the Tragedy

wagon

all yesterday?

For those of you following along at home, that's "scum x 3, wagon".


So, here's why we are lynching thil today, his scumminess aside for those of you with a town-read on him.

• Even ignoring everything, he has a 3/5 chance of being scum.
  
• I was RB'd last night. Either scum have two roles/players with the ability to roleblock, or one of us was RB'd by town*, if we are to believe thil is town. Likelier? Thil is scum.

*on the off-chance I was RB'd by town, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF NINTENDO DO NOT CLAIM. thil is scum regardless, no need in forcing out a claim from town.


VOTE: thil

POWER-LYNCH, GO!

[Pinky and the Brain]

UNVOTE: for GW's theory.

Thinking about it, I suppose at this point we are looking to take out any SK rather than Mafia as to minimise NKs and maximise mislynches.

thil admittedly makes a lot less sense as a SK than Mafia, so I am actually wondering if it's better to spare him for today and lynch him tomorrow instead.

[Pinky and the Brain]

I'm sceptical of Dekes visiting nobody N3. I'll pull up the relevant quotes tomorrow morning when not on a phone.

Essentially, the gist of it is that he strongly implies he has used up all his actions (as a JOAT), but doing nothing N3 gives him just 2 Nights to use up his actions, when JOATs usually have 3 or 4 actions.


@ Kdub: Thoughts on SK hunting?

I'm concerned that with a likely SK in play we won't have enough mislynches to parse the 5 completely of scum, given that we need 2 mislynches to guarantee hitting all 3 scum but the SK means 2 probable deaths a night. Hitting the SK will give more room for error.


Got a bit more to say which I'll type up tomorrow.

[Pinky and the Brain]

@ Mod: Please prod DemonHybrid with

extreme prejudice

@everyone: I am not crazy, I have something in my mind.

Can you tell us yet?


Bunnylover: If you had to order {thil, DemonHybrid, weirdalexv, GW, esurio} in preference of order of lynching, what order would you put them in?

[Pinky and the Brain]

Samus is the hero of a game.

Samus is a bounty killer.

Someone shot a scum member.

Still, Samus says: we have no vig

This line of logic is pointless unless we have a mass name-claim.

For all you know, other people might have name-claims even more suited to SKs.

as far as I see, we have 3 players who are convinced the 1 vs 1 is compelling: GW, bunny, kdub.

You're wrong about bunny there, and oddly enough, neither kdub nor GW are voting either myself or thil.

@patb: why arent you voting thil?

I stand by my statement that a SK lynch is much more preferable. Really, any player is more likely to be a SK than thil. I'm confident that a SK would not claim cop, paticularly in a Large. I would honestly put thil's chances of being SK at zero.

Assuming 2 scum 1 SK on the wagon, the other people on Tragedy's wagon have a 25% chance each of being a SK but 50% of being scum.

DH's slot is unlikely to be SK after replacing out despite massive lurking (as lurking would be beneficial for a SK - subsequently replacing out renders all his lurking moot).

GhostWriter I feel is also fairly unlikely SK following a PR claim (although not as unlikely as thil).

I'm doubtful esurio as a SK would have taken the risk of drawing attention D1 (with the whole out-of-thread investigation shenanigans).


That leaves wierd.

wierd's recent posts feel like he is really trying to squirm out of a lynch, paticularly:

I agree with Kdub that it would make no sense to lynch out of the 1 vs. 1 unless we are pretty much certain.[/stream of consciousness]

My claim is pretty much guaranteed to get me lynched; Samus has a doppelganger who would Be an SK and I have a typical SK role and apparently my play looks like an SK. However, I'll claim if you want me to.

And, while I Think of it, That last Post softclaimed a lot harder than I Realized. Wow.

I want a claim.

(I can't see the softclaim. I get 'HULLAETTPR' or something stupid like that.)

Spoiler: Vote Count

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

DemonHybrid

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-5)

thil13

- 2 - esuriospiritus, weirdalexv - (L-4)

weirdalexv

- 2 - The Master Hand, lewarcher82 - (L-4)

Players not voting: DemonHybrid, GhostWriter, Kdub, Pinky and the Brain, thil13

Deadline is June 24th at 12:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-24 00:30:00)

^ I think this is still correct.

VOTE: wierdalexv


I think the third scum on the wagon is GW.

I don't buy Dekes visiting nobody N3, and the breadcrumb is awful (and notably does not come until ISO #60).


I didn't include the quote before, so here it is:

Important:
I am responsible for no deaths N1. And no actions at all for that matter. I'm a JOAT, one of them was a mass block.

I pretty much wasted all of my actions

and the only informative thing is that PatB is a bit more likely town (which becomes a lot more likely looking at his recent play).

^ Here is Dekes implying he has used up all his actions by Day 4, but having No Action on N3 would give him only 2 Nights for his actions.

I suspect that scum have a tracker, and they tracked somebody else that night, but GW couldn't claim that because it would be obvious PR-hunting from scum, so he is claiming to have tracked somebody who is now dead and of course can't dispute the claim.

I believe Lew is the scum RB.

He believes this because he allegedly tracked Lew to thil, which would of course mean thil is town. However:

I think that the best course of action is to lynch Thil

[...]

Thil has the best chance of flipping scum

After forcing a lewarcher claim, GW is very quick to decide that thil is actually scum.

[Pinky and the Brain]

I am Zero Suit, although I was not told what night I was attacked.

I was shot at Night 2.

??? :S

'xplain. Now.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Well, obviously I was wrong about scum not having two roleblocking roles.


VOTE: Looker

Looker and esurio are scum.

Lynch on either one plzkthxbai.

Oops hydra-fail.


There is no reason to mass-claim because we have two scum lined up nicely for us to power-lynch.

PATB should be our lynch today.
It doesn't matter if he helped us, we still have his information and we can use it if he flips town (which he probably won't).

Or, just as an alternative that you might want to consider, we can power-lynch the two scum I caught instead of discussing my lynch like absolute idiots.

TMH: man after esurio's claim opposing patb's lynch is ridiculous. If esurio aint no vig, who is? I take it you are not, right? Who's missing? kdub? looker?

this is not about the 1 vs 1 or other half-compelling cases that could be explained easily with a scum joat or stuff like that. This is a table of truth. Extremely easy, as far as I see.

@PatB: is it possible that you are sensor and esurio AND looker are not both scum? Answer!

Don't worry, they're scum.

Town obviously has a shitload of power about, and therefore it's common sense that scum would probaby likewise have a shitload of power.

Thinking about it, there's actually very likely to be a third scum left not on the wagon, given we have at least:

Cop
1-Shot Flavour Cop
Tracker
Doc
Even Night Sensor


Leading me to conclude: Mafia Goon + Mafia Doc + Mafia Roleblocker + Mafia Jailkeeper(?) + Mafia Vig.


This would leave three scum alive, which would make it mylo if I am town.

And believe me, I am town.

So don't be idiots and lynch me, paticularly when I have given the scum to town on a FUCKING SILVER PLATTER.

Really, you just have to look at the backup mods - Reck and Dram, famed for swingy setups, and clearly this is one fucking swingy setup.


Why would scum-PatB kill thil or GW when both were on the wagon for my 'fake-claim'?

It's clearly a ploy from scum to frame me and push me for the mislynch, safe in the knowledge that even if I'm not mislynched they have a townie sitting nice and safe off the Tragedy wagon.

If you are voting me and you are town, you need to unvote me now.

Either way, I have a shitload of reading to do before I place a vote.

Derp.

Thanks for the scum-claim.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Ahem.

Going to hammer in a few hours unless I hear otherwise from this thread.

Here's otherwise:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pinky and the Brain

I HATE YOU ALL

PATICULARLY BUNNYLOVER AND LOOKER

MAINLY BUNNYLOVER

THAT IS ALL


Love,
Hoppster

xxxx