Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[Mina]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Hey, everyone! I have an announcement to make!

Katsuki and I are not scum.

So now that I'm confirmed town, I don't suppose you'll all let me coast until endgame? No?

(That said, I love how I've never played with Ether before, but I still know enough about her meta to say that she's town by virtue of being the one posting instead of chamber.)

Sorry guys. As weird as this sounds, I'm actually not Scum this game. Lucky for you, I already caught one, though.

Vote: Mina/Katsuki

. Non-random vote.

*twitch*

*twitch* *twitch* *twitch*

*twitch*

Really, SensFan.

You've

caught scum.

Yourself

. Also, what do you mean by "as weird as it sounds"? Are you saying you thought the wagon on you was serious? Is there a reason you'd be more likely to draw scum this game?

That said, CES, the lack of guilty on dram is a null tell.

[Mina]

Mina why aren't you voting SensFan?

Because I'm a renegade.

Why

are

you voting SensFan?

Mina, you should unvote DGB now. We womenfolk shall stake out a couch and all be town together. We can also fit in sly comments about waiting for our other heads to start making out. It'll be great.

I am kind of bored by the Senswagon.

So whom do you suppose we vote instead? DGB is out, Sens is out. You're the one who said you wanted to sheep. Any suggestions?

[Mina]

Mina why aren't you voting SensFan?

Why

are

you voting SensFan?

He's probably scum.

You voted before his first post in the game. Did you figure out his alignment by precognition?

I have decided to conspicuously fence-sit on SensFan right now.

Please, Mina. Do you remember the last time you overreacted to a misunderstanding of something I said in this game? Let me refresh your memory, it ended with you saying something to the effect of "Nevermind, then. That's actually perfectly reasonable.'

Maybe this time it ISN'T reasonable. Humour me.

[Mina]

Please, Mina. Do you remember the last time you overreacted to a misunderstanding of something I said in this game? Let me refresh your memory, it ended with you saying something to the effect of "Nevermind, then. That's actually perfectly reasonable.'

Also, are you implying that in this situation as well as in the last, it was a genuine misunderstanding? And not scum trying to frame a poor innocent townie?

P.S. I figured out SensFan's alignment by pre-game neighbor chat.

All right, I know this is a weird thing to ask on page two, but is this a joke, yes or no?

[Mina]

If he's serious, then he obviously didn't have a problem with revealing it to the town, and if he's joking, he'll just say so.

[Mina]

Please, Mina. Do you remember the last time you overreacted to a misunderstanding of something I said in this game? Let me refresh your memory, it ended with you saying something to the effect of "Nevermind, then. That's actually perfectly reasonable.'

Maybe this time it ISN'T reasonable. Humour me.

Sure.
Number 1: I didn't actually catch you myself. But we both know who did.
Number 2: Were you not at Goofbash at all? I was Scum in just about every damn game.
Number 3: We also both know that CES isn't our third Neighbour buddy. And I swear to Bahamut, you better not answer this post by spitting out the name. There's a reason I'm the one calling you out.

...*sighs*

Well,

that

was totally necessary information to reveal on page two.

You know, if I'm scum, I've already told my teammates if there's someone else in our neighbourhood, right?

But obviously I was asking CES on the off-chance that you were in a neighbourhood with him as well. Because in that case, your stupid "Mina is 100% confirmed scum because there absolutely HAS to be one scum in our neighbourhood" logic would be an obvious lie.

[Mina]

K I'm home.
Time to drop the hammer:

Sens and I are masons

We are in a QT with Katsuki/Mina, and they are mod confirmed scum.

We both got flavored neighbor role PMs (we are the COUCH masonry) that we sense their scum in the couch... and we're not sure who we can trust (Sens can confirm this.)

Mina Katsuki are that scum, Sens is confirmed town, game is broken.

BECAUSE

Faraday has decided to defend Mina for bullshit reasons, so he is HIGHLY likely a buddy. Even if he's just wrong about Mina he deserves to death and can't be left alive after defending scumMina

Yes, Fate.

You're mod-confirmed masons, and Katsuki/me were mod-confirmed as scum, even though Sens HAS ALREADY FUCKING SAID THAT THE THREE OF US ARE NEIGHBOURS, HE SUSPECTED ME

AFTER

YOU SAID I WAS SCUM, AND HE ASKED PATRICK IF ROLES WERE ASSIGNED BEFORE ALIGNMENTS.

You really thought that transparent gambit to manipulate people into lynching us through.

I wish so badly that I could link the QT in the thread, just so everyone could see the posts that "confirmed" me as scum and realize that you're either scum yourself or an arrogant fuckwit who's too incompetent to be sheeped. It should be blindingly obvious that I'm town at this point.

Anyway, as ridiculous as Sens' stance is on us (seriously, Fate posted the equivalent of "Guess what, I read the QT, and Katsuki's scum!" without explanation, and Sens immediately announced that they should out us as confirmed scum Day One, on the logic that

Fate must be right

), he's probably town for his cutesy move to hide Fate's identity, as well as his question to the mod. Katsuki also says he's using the neighbourhoods similarly to how he did in this game. I think Nikanor may be town (he's a lot easier to read in forum Mafia than in face to face, IIRC) based on his reaction to Sens' claim. And Ether is obvious, of course.

Hey, tans. Link me to a game in which you took Fate 100% at his word and sheeped him.

UNVOTE: Dripping Goofball, since both Kats and I like her recent posts. We're having a board meeting on where to move it to. Pretty sure there's one scum on our wagon, but I could follow Ether on Kise/TBM. I'm kind of leery of Faraday, because I feel like there's no passion behind his play so far (he's just going through the motions and bandwagon-hopping), and his defence of me feels halfhearted--like he's trying his typical, "Oh, I'm clearing Mina on page one" move, but doesn't actually care that I'm getting wagoned.

[Mina]

For the record, I just checked my PM. The flavour says nothing whatsoever about "sensing scum at our couch," only that we're not sure whom we can trust. Also, apparently I got stuck at the couch of obnoxious loud people because Patrick considers Katsuki to be a loud player.

You are utterly despicable for trying that, Fate.

p-edit: Well, the cat is out of the bag, so yes, I'll confirm that he is, chamber.

[Mina]

If by calling me out for being "scummy as fuck," you mean, announcing in your third post that SensFan is town and I'm scum...without explaining why (even to SensFan), and then spamming the QT with rhetoric like, "Come on, tell us your buddies!" and expecting the town to take your word for it that I said something so scummy that anyone who witnessed it would know I had to be lynched on sight....

You're also missing the part where I found Sens' post suspicious because he didn't have a scumread on me UNTIL you declared us scum and asked whether to out us, and then seriously discussed the plan...but obviously I'm not misrepresenting him, because I bought his explanation for it, and I ALREADY SAID I THINK HE'S PROBABLY TOWN.

Oh my God. I writing long paragraphs insulting you as a person and as a Mafia player, but deleting them.

Sens, I am begging you to reveal that Fate is lying. Please.

[Mina]

Oh my God. I'm too angry to contribute anything constructive right now, and I have basically no time to defend myself. (And no, DGB, not posting on mafiascum during a RL day does not constitute lurking under pressure.)

Had I been with any other two players in the game beside Fate and SensFan (at least, if both slots are town), this would've been cleared up in five minutes. This is ridiculously unfair. And fucking SensFan is so stupid that he actually made posts IN THE GAME THREAD ITSELF that contradict his story, never mind in the neighbours QT. (

Sure

. You were totally sincere about wanting us lynched D1, and not just joking.)

SensFan, you are completely spineless.

I was half expecting you to go, "Yeah, Mina is lying, and Fate and I actually ARE mason-neighbours who had her confirmed as scum to us," just because you didn't want to undermine Fate. I'd have ironically felt better about you had you done that. Instead you called me a liar because you didn't agree with my summary...but side-stepped the issue of Fate's claim, and then tried to take the middle ground when called on it.

SensFan, explain exactly what the grey zone is between "you don't know if your neighbours are on your side" and "you sense that there is scum at your couch." There's no middle ground whatsoever between those two. It sounds like you very conveniently jumped on chamber's explanation that it was scum getting a copy of the town PM.

I want you to quote ONE SENTENCE of mine that is a direct lie. Knowing Fate, he'll probably confirm whatever outrageous story you concoct. But I just want to know for myself if you are either scum or blacklist-worthy, rather than just a sheep. It's not a compliment that I'm even considering you could be town and just completely incapable of being objective. ("Mina didn't question me on a scummy post. She BLEW UP AT ME FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER AND STARTED NITPICKING OVER MY WORDING. Omigod, she lied!")

Hell, other than the mason-neighbours crap, I don't even think my account and Fate's contradict. It's more just a matter of the context (what constitutes "scummy as fuck," for example). Are you denying, for example, that Fate didn't say what in particular gave him such a strong scum read on me?

Fate, please tell them what SensFan said in response to me when I asked why he was suddenly treating me as confirmed scum. What were SensFan's reasons for saying he thought I was scum? Did he say that he found my behaviour

itself

scummy?

Please, please, PLEASE tell the truth. Please. I'm begging you.

If I really need to, I will actually paraphrase the QT, post by post.

p-edit: wait a minute, hold on.

[Mina]

CES, actually, several people have used Sens' corroborating Fate's story as a reason to vote me. Case in point:

Someone not on this wagon needs to hydra with Reck. He's an honorary Goofbasher. And will better use your vote.

Fate isn't scum if Sens is backing him.

Kise, you realize that Sens didn't back Fate's story about my being mod-confirmed scum. He just said Fate's account of the events in the QT is accurate, not mine. Why are you voting me, Kise? What exactly do you think the lie is?

...actually, wait a minute.

CES, you're taking issue with Faraday's defence of me (I'm finding it hard to be objective on him, because on the one hand, I'm grateful that someone is defending me, but on the other hand, I still find his posts a bit off and lacking in passion--I don't buy his "I have no motivation for Mafia" excuse, and in the interests of full disclosure, he also had a rock-solid gut town read on me in the game in which I bused my buddy), but you haven't commented on any of my own posts. So why exactly are you voting for me if you don't believe Fate and Sens caught me in a lie?

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting, but this is just really frustrating. I refuse to let myself be mislynched on D1, but this is something I can't even defend against, because the case is "Mina is 100% mod-confirmed scum!" "Okay, I'll take your word for it, because Fate is never wrong about anything on D1." I mean...I'm rereading my first posts in the QT, and they're a bit awkward, because I was mostly just being chatty to get the conversation going, so I don't think Fate pulled his scum read completely out of his ass. (Fate also dropped a couple of towntells in the QT.) But nothing anyone could post in a QT during the pregame could make anyone this sure of someone's alignment.

VitaminR - Do you still think Fate is obv-town? Or has your read of him changed since you called him such?

Truth be told, I am almost posted a one-liner saying to scratch my Fate town read. On my initial read, I thought Fate had misunderstood his role PM (the thing about there being scum in his neighbourhood). And that made me think obv town. It's now become clear that Fate just lied about that, which makes it more of a null tell.

It's plausible me misunderstood it. The possibility is raised about the possibility of there being Scum without saying it's guaranteed/likely/unlikely/etc.

...wait, are you saying you didn't realize Fate was gambiting to get me lynched?

He made up a story about me being mod-confirmed scum in order to lend more credibility to his case, and then said I was lying and was in a 1 v. 1 with him when I said we were garden-variety neighbours.

Why did you say it was a grey zone between my account and Fate's? My account was exactly that the possibility is raised that there's scum (because it says we don't know our neighbours' alignments).

[Mina]

This is just a horrible prod dodge because I'm completely incapable of keeping up with my games right now and start work this minute.

I'm very confident that Irish Car Bomb us town, now. The rest I'll save for later.

[Mina]

*slinks sheepishly into the thread*

Still no hydra account. And I didn't finish rereading D1, so I didn't want to post weak gut impressions based on partial information when Katsuki was already active in the thread. But I just wanted to pop in to weigh in on a couple of things about which I'm confident.

Current thinking for me is TBM and Minineko (would be willing to lynch both of these), maybe ABR.

IC still reads town to me, particularly now that Faraday is posting again (I can't really read xReck that well).

ISO Blackberry right now. VitaminR, I want your personal opinion on this. Do you think that Blackberry's interactions with TBM on D1 make sense if TBM is Mafia, given that BB has flipped

traitor

? Do you see any similarities between BB's treatment of TBM and Nikanor?

Also, can you give examples of posts from Faraday that make you read him as town?

====================================
As someone who shares a QT with SensFan, I'll speak out against the Sens wagon. Some of his stances have frustrated me, but if he's scum, well fucking done, because he's a phenomenal actor. For example, you know when he did that random 180 on Fate on D1 and called Reck town...only to vote Reck again? I kid you not; at that time, he posted in the QT (I'm paraphrasing), "Oh, by the way, I still trust your scum read on Reck, but I'm just trying to get people to think the masons are no longer united to test for reactions." And I checked the time stamps; accounting for daylights savings time, this came BEFORE he called Fate scum. Their whole argument was scripted.

Is that a silly gambit that only muddied things up and drew suspicion on himself? Well,

yeah

. (Sorry, Sens.) But would scum do that in a million years? I've seen scum retroactively claim something scummy they did was a gambit to test for reactions. But this way, Sens only drew negative attention to himself, without reaping the town credit. There was no scum agenda for the move.

@dramonic: CokeDeity also flipped neighbour, so if you think there's a scum neighbour, it doesn't have to be on the loud couch.

@IC: So now that you can take it at our word that Sens is town, who are you going to vote next? Also, what's your supposed 100% accurate read on dramonic?

I won't give more complete reads when most of the game is a blur in my mind and I haven't looked closely enough at the wagons.

Vote: Irish Carbomb

CES, are you doing that thing you did in Mafia on Midol in which you use being hard to read as an excuse to get away with posting nothing but bandwagon hops?

[Mina]

No, I'm fine as is. Thanks.

Okay.

Then I'm happy with Katsuki's vote. ^_^

So much for "Mods, pleeeeeeeease get Mina back in here. She had a town read on us! She'll save us."

[Mina]

Just the way the Nikanor wagon happened and you were on him quite early iirc, I don't think it's that likely you're scum with him.

Who were you referring to in this post, by the way?

p-edit: Do you think that SensFan, as scum, would do the following:

1) Say, "Reck is town. Sorry, Fate" in the thread.

2) Post in the QT that he's secretly willing to sheep Fate on Reck, but will. (For context: this came AFTER Fate said, "You guys will," but before all of their later interaction.

3) Then start flipping out on Fate in the thread and pretending that he's his top suspect...but eventually move his vote back to Reck anyway (which is consistent with what he said in the QT).

I know the way you think, Faraday. This is something you'd clear him for as town.

And it did draw him negative attention, because several people (such as Setael and Reckoner) made cases on him for being inconsistent on xRECKx. And then RATHER THAN GO, "Oh, actually, it was a gambit," HE DOESN'T BACK DOWN, BUT ACTUALLY PRETENDS TO KEEP SUSPECTING FATE SO AS TO KEEP HIM ALIVE LONGER.

When someone's motivations look superficially scummy because they're inscrutable to the town at large, but make perfect sense when revealed in private, that's a huge towntell.

But anyway, do you not trust the judgment of three people who are in a QT with SensFan? Why do you think Sens is scum right now? (And if you want a hope in hell of wriggling out of your wagon, you are not going to get away with, "lol idk he got a scum role pm, look at how charismatic i am, i can't be scum!" You are going to give actual, objective reasons. I think your answer will be revealing.)

[Mina]

No, I'm fine as is. Thanks.

Okay.

Then I'm happy with Katsuki's vote. ^_^

So much for "Mods, pleeeeeeeease get Mina back in here. She had a town read on us! She'll save us."

yeah, whatever I was hoping you'd be able to see I was town. how terrible of me!

Yeah

.

I apologize to Fate for bitching about this wagon on D1.

You are not being very convincing right now. At all.

[Mina]

Oh, VitaminR, question.

How would you rate your forum play as opposed to your F2F play? Do you think you're more or less readable on the forums than in person? What do you think is the difference between your town and scum play?

[Mina]

UNVOTE: Irish Carbomb

Just posting from my break at work to prevent any hammers (particularly since right now I'm nowhere near as certain as Katsuki and Sens are that IC is scum). I'm still not caught up.

[Mina]

Oh, fuck this. I've been working all day for the past few days, my break finished a minute ago, I didn't realize there was a deadline, and right now I'm 100% convinced that IC is town. Paranoia of Sens is acting up because of how desperate he is to stay alive (also, um, why do you keep acting so 100% confident in IC's guilt you said the only reason you suspect him is because Fate did?) But still think he's made a few strong towntells. And I'm completely useless at this game.

I give Katsuki permission to join any last-minute counterwagon that starts up.

Oh, and to all those say there's scum on the couch, you guys realize that Ether flipped neighbour too, right? And that her partner(s) never claimed?

[Mina]

P-edit: FUCK YOU KATSUKI. (also...was that...um, an actual self-hammer?$

Katsuki, I actually considered calling in sick to work today just to have a prayer of catching up before the deadline. I chickened out, though.

Are we at an even number of players? In that case, we're better off lynching Faraday to get his hypothetical shot (although we could always lynch him tomorrow instead), because then we gain an extra chance to narrow the suspect pool. But it's a close to guaranteed mislynch, so what's the point? Why do both leading wagons suck so badly?

Faraday: I already gave most of my points in favor of Sens. Another one is that I mentioned being wary of Vit in the QT for behaving as though he had extra information BB was town., and Sens defended him by saying he himself assumed the same thing--I'd have expected scum to sow doubt against him. Also, hat does Reck think about dramonic now that the latter has started posting?

Vit: why no answer to my question about TBM? Have you read BB 's ISO yet? Also, why is Mini a suspe t by PoE, but not one of the other lurkers?

Pretty sure I'm forgetting something, but My suspects (mostly by PoE) are probably the brothers, dram, ABR to a lesser extent (get gut town vibes from him), tans, and MAYBE dram or Mini. But I really have no fucking clue.

I won't be back before the deadline, and I'm already super-late for my break (hence why I'm not bothering to fix my typos). Good luck!

[Mina]

Guess what? I've had yet another change of heart overnight! Turns out that you weren't obvtown at all in the posts I'd barely skimmed at work.

VOTE: Irish Carbomb

Why didn't you self-hammer at deadline, by the way, considering you were apparently willing to do so on D1? Why did you wait and keep pushing people onto Sens?

That's it. I'm not going to overthink this. Tomorrow is MYLO with two scum alive. Town is completely screwed because at least five people look horribly scummy. We have only two more chances to lynch scum (so thank you for throwing one of our mislynches away) You are not getting nightkilled at this point. We are using your shot to gain a free attempt to narrow the suspect pool. If IC is town, we still get the same number of shots to eliminate scum, but we also cover for the possibility that IC is scum. And they have not been accurate enough this game for them to play the "We're worth more alive because of our awesome reads!" card.

We should spend the rest of the day scumhunting and pushing other wagons to decide on the best vengeshot. But you are using your vengeshot.

So do people think there's a chance of two neighbourhoods that are completely town? If there's another member of the Ether-CES neighbourhood, I suggest he claims. It'd be useful information.

[Mina]

Hang on, let me see what happens if town IC uses a vengekill in LYLO:

D5: 6 T, 2 S
N5: 5 T, 2 S
D6: 4 T, 2 S --> go to night, scum kill someone more trusted than Irish Carbomb
D7: 3 T, 2 S
Lynch Faraday.
-->If he's a scum vengeful whose kill is in addition to the NK (in which case, I'll rant after the game, for more than one reason): 1T, 1S. Scum win.
-->If he's a town vengeful and hits town: Scum win (same as lynching Faraday today or in MYLO and mislynching our other time)
-->If he's a town vengeful and hits scum: 2 T, 1 S. That night, scum kill other townie, and back to 1 T, 1 S. Scum win.

...you know what? I caught myself second-guessing myself, and going, "Wait, but in this random post, Faraday said something that sounded kind of townish, and town is kind of low on PRs, and is he really a good enough actor to say what he did here?"

But then I stopped myself. Because I have wasted too much energy trying to read Faraday this game. It literally does not matter if IC is town or scum. Proper play is still to lynch him TODAY. (That said, if IC is scum, I will cry, because Sens would've been confirmed town today.) I don't want to hear a single, "No, we can't lynch poor, townish IC, whose lynch doesn't even cost us anything!" from anyone.

Faraday and Reckoner, congratulations. You are the kingmaker today. Everyone will be terrified of you. Use this day wisely.

[Mina]

...Fuck you.

I had to say I was 100% sure you'd flip town, too.

Even after you drew a picture.

Also, go to hell, Mr. "scum vengefuls are unheard of."

So on the bright side, tomorrow isn't LYLO. On the dark side, I'll have to hide under a rock after this. I'll desperately cling to my pride by saying that Katsuki and I told everyone that the Sens lynch was the most moronic thing ever, and yet no one listened to me when

Sens' posts in the QT proved that his contradictions weren't contradictions

. Also, Sens was an idiot for self-hammering (he'd have been confirmed town today after a Faraday scum flip, and Faraday would have outed himself by not self-hammering as a vengeful).

(On the off chance there's anyone dumb enough to fall for that, IC:

1) Pretended to self-hammer on D1 just to make his vengeful story look more convincing (then didn't tell people when they gave him town points for it). Didn't change his story all game.

2) Kept telling everyone he was going to self-hammer all throughout his lynch if it was necessary yesterday.

3) Kept fishing for reasons for why he wanted. (In fact, Vit supposedly voted Sens partly because Faraday's claimed vengekill shot was SO TERRIBLE.) That's not something gambiting town does; that's something scum do to look like a real town vengeful.

4) Retracted his claim only when I said his claim meant we were guaranteed to lynch him today with no way out--NOT at any time yesterday or Day One when he was in danger.

5) Used as his defence not that it was to test for reactions, but that he wasn't going to get lynched.

6) Also, CES dying over us (particularly after the Kise kill) is pretty much a neon sign.

I mean, if you were actually town here, I would refuse to hydra with you ever again, and /out from any ongoing games with you, because you're clearly a vezok-level player.

[Mina]

I don't care about AIM transcripts, particularly since you could just write a fake transcript right now.

We are lynching you.

No WIFOM. No "But what if they just suck at Mafia?"

LYNCH IRISH CARBOMB. LYNCH IRISH CARBOMB. LYNCH IRISH CARBOMB.

I learned my lesson from ACoK Mafia. No giving people the benefit of the doubt for extremely unlikely situations.

There will be no lynch today other than Irish Carbomb.

If we lose, I don't care, because I'll just blame it on you for playing a terrible game, and then I'll blast you with in which I swear at you a lot and call you incompetent idiots who couldn't gambit their way out of a paper bag. I will feel no guilt whatsoever for lynching you if you're town. I'd rather lose because you fucked up than lose because we believed such a stupid story.

[Mina]

Um...

You know that the tone of my posts was pretty tongue-in-cheek, just because /out-ing from games with Faraday was an empty threat when IC was obvscum, and I thought it was obvious that he was just trolling as a last-ditch effort to escape a guaranteed lynch.

...but thank you both so much for showing me your true colours, anyway.

present a single case or piece of evidence on us and you can be absolved of all of this

And the long list of bulletpoints for why your claim is the most unlikely thing ever doesn't count as "a single piece of evidence"?

Oh, God forbid! I called someone scum who retracted the claim they made on D1 ONLY when they realized their claim had 100% guaranteed their lynch. It's clearly only the fault of the people voting for you, because you're the innocent victims in this. I mean, everyone YOU'VE called 100% confirmed scum this game has been scum, right?

Right

?

You really have nerve.

Unlike some people in this site, I'm not the type to get into a pissing match about who did what several months ago that proves he's an awesome player. And I wasn't arguing that I'm better than mediocre (my only strengths in Mafia are looking town and not doing anything mindnumbingly stupid) or that I put a lot of effort into this game early on (although Katsuki certainly hasn't been lurking). But you supposedly claimed something to "save yourself from a mislynch," but ended up just guaranteeing you'd be a distraction and an eventual mislynch. Don't you dare make me feel like I'm the one who did something wrong. (Guess what, I was also wagoned on D1! And even though I'm nowhere near the brilliant player you are, I got out of it and ended up being treated as confirmed town

without

a fakeclaim!)

Seriously, after the shit Faraday gave me for giving MacavityLock the benefit of the doubt in ACoK, apparently I'm now an idiot for wanting to lynch a liar rather than let myself fall into second-guessing?

I hate that the strongest bit of evidence in your favour right now is that you're both loathsome, disgusting individuals if you're trying to make me feel like shit about myself and pulling this over-the-top appeal to emotion as scum. Because logically, Faraday's retraction should be as obvious a scumclaim as Blackberry's, particularly since I know Faraday hates when other people pull moves like this. What gambiting townie has the fucking nerve to keep up a claim for days and then be all, "Mina, convince me that I shouldn't kill Sens with my vengeful shot"? But both of you are posting so much vicious invective and rage that I'm finding it hard to believe someone would fake this.

Seriously, if you're town, then 50% of you should be more thickskinned and mature rather than throw a tantrum because someone had an issue with one aspect of your play this game. The other 50% should get over your massive ego and get a fucking sense of perspective and objectiveness. You made a move you thought was clever but blew up in your face. Admit the problem is at least

partly

on your end rather than throwing around blame as loudly and as vitriolically as possible, and that from an outside POV, you look terrible as a result of your actions.

And if you're scum, go fuck yourselves.

[Mina]

Wow. I'm getting such dissonance here.

I type an angry rant in response to xRECKONERx, hit preview, and then see a post from Faraday that makes me feel ashamed of myself. And then I start a warm and fuzzy conciliatory post, hit preview...and see Reck being a dick.

Okay, I'll concede to ABR (sorry for the distraction) and just respond to Faraday.

Thanks so much for the apology. It means a lot to me. I think it was more Reckoner who called me the idiot (at the very least, he accused me of doing nothing this game); sorry if I'm conflating your posts together. I'm sorry if I offended you this game. I can be prone to over-the-top rhetoric sometimes, but I'm usually just being hyperbolic. This game can get pretty heated at times, but it's all water under the bridge. It never lasts afterwards.

(Although now I'm all, "Wait, I told him he was a terrible person if he was scum. Is that why he feels guilty?" Goddamn it, this is a shitty position to be in. Because my gut feeling is now that they're town based on the last few pages of reactions.)

[Mina]

Okay, this is painful for me to do, but...

UNVOTE:

I don't believe there's any way the past few pages of outbursts, apologies, and completely spontaneous allusions to conversations on AIM could have been faked.

Except even if everyone magically decides to treat IC as confirmed town, we're now in EXACTLY the same position as we'd have been in were you an actual vengeful townie. *sighs*

[Mina]

Um...

UNVOTE:

[Mina]

Two of you, VitaminR, tanstalas, and Minineko. -_-

So I have a 50% chance of getting it right if I roll a die.

[Mina]

I was hoping you'd give something more concrete and less WIFOM-y than "He didn't want to vote for me." I could see plenty of reasons why VitR would vote Sens over you--town cred, just being consistent in his reads, the fact that lynching you would narrow the suspect pool by two players and mean there'd be no distractions today to hide behind today. There's obviously at least one scum on the Sens wagon unless you think we or TBM is scum (or there are two scum and a traitor in a

fifteen-player game

).

Stop feeding the niggling VitaminR-Irish Carbomb theory I've had all game, even though it's impossible that Scum!Faraday would ever write posts #1528 and #1532 in a million years so he's 100% confirmed town right now despite the godawful claim.

VitaminR, are you a neighbour, yes or no?

Also, you didn't comment on IC's retraction of their vengeful claim, the resulting clusterfuck, etc. Thoughts?

TBM, what do you think of IC's most recent posts? Do you agree with my assessment of them (although I'm in perfect agreement that were they not obviously town based on reactions, they'd deserve to hang for that as insurance)? I'd also like concrete examples of town tells from Vit, more for myself. (FWIW, I'd thought Vit was town on D1.)

[Mina]

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

Did you ever read this post of mine?

[Mina]

Wow, it's always fun to lynch scum while I twiddle my fingers and do absolutely nothing.

[Mina]

Oh, yeah?

Well, expect a cross-vote from me tomorrow.

You're voting someone whose claim you called magnificent. Clearly you're pushing an opportunistic mislynch...on someone you know is flipping scum.

[Mina]

Katsuki, we shouldn't be proud that the daycop was killed before us when we're close-to-confirmed town...

...speaking of which, what kind of stupid two-shot daycop doesn't either use all his results or claim before

Day Freaking 6

(unless his limitation is something ridiculous like never claiming or using his shots D1)? (Side note: Button is a random choice to be assigned cop. He's not a bad scumhunter, but it would better fit someone like Faraday with a tendency to tunnel on scum five seconds into the game in F2F. Would a limitation in which he can only investigate people on the couch due to Ether using him as a footstool make any sense?)

Investigating Blackberry also would've been a waste of a shot, since he was obvscum for that "gambit."

Kind of torn on whether he has an investigation on Vit. On the one hand, judging by his reaction to ABR's claim, Button would've crumbed his results, and he's much more vehement about his Vit read than any other. On the other, I've have expected something more like "I found Vit suspicious until a specific point of D1" rather than a laundry list of towntells from early in the game; I'm reading his ISO and trying to see if there was ever a shift on him early on D1. Also, there's this:

I'd disagree, VitR is reading as very town and CES is town.

Contrary to VitR "reading as very town" due to a long list of reasons he gave D1, CES

is

town, pointblank, and Button's only explanation is that chamber said so.

But either way, we're not lynching Vit today.

I'm writing a big wall right now, but will save it for another post. However, first I'll give what will be the conclusion of this wall:

VOTE: Minineko

[Mina]

Actually, fuck it.

13 posts in total for this game, probably 1 scum left, go into tomorrow with 4, and go for the NL tomorrow for the 3 way LyLo the next day.

VOTE: Minineko

Yeah totally taking the easy way out.

I'll save the wall for tomorrow morning...but you realize that Minineko (whom you're voting for) was ALSO on the Nikanor and ABR wagons, right? Also, that he wasn't on the DGB "mislynch" (which you were on, IIRC)?

*sighs*

Just

when I'd thought I'd figured stuff out...

[Mina]

I really don't know.

I'm terrible at reading illogical, inconsistent players. His play today is just...so, so, SO bad. I can buy him compromising on a Mini lynch as town, but why are his other reads this completely out of left field? Why didn't he suggest the vengekill plan at the beginning of the day,

before

you turned on him? His explanation for his dram and me scumreads also feels pulled out of his ass--he didn't notice Faraday is a vanilla townie and doesn't react to Faraday claiming VT five times this page, consistently spouts the "Lynch you and vig me" plan even without moving his vote FROM Faraday, cbut he apparently read enough of our back-and-forth yesterday (which consisted of me screaming at you for retracting your vengeful claim) to think I'm scummy for reasons he can't explain in detail? Even though he thought I was obvtown D1?

That said, his willing to sacrifice himself is a towntell, and very well-played if he IS pretending to be ignorant of your claim for towncred; he's coming across as genuine (albeit pigheaded). And I think tans has done several things this game that twinge my gut as town (for example, remember on D1 when he kept digging for meta as to whether you'd played games with me as a different alignment? He's often very dogged this game when he gets into a back-and-forth with someone). But it feels as though his gameplay and reads have gone drastically downhill since the beginning of the game. Katsuki says (along with tans' MD thread) that tans is better as scum than as town, so maybe he could fake-scumhunt convincingly, but I don't know.

(On a side note, Katsuki's "Mina is ALWAYS DRUNK" thing is starting to get really annoying.)

Hang on, I'd saved the Mini case and wagon analysis I'd been working on as a draft. Maybe I'll post a summarized version of it. But it's actually not his lurking so much as what he says when he

does

post.

[Mina]

I'm on AIM right now, if you're around! Hurry before I go to bed.

[Mina]

I've been working insane hours over the past few days and have to leave in a few minutes, so no brilliant analysis. (I've been following along with the thread, but haven't had time to post.)

But first, Mini, flavour for why you're a bodyguard?

See, right now I'm leaning toward Mini being the last scum. But I'm thinking that strategically, it's better to leave him until LYLO. Why? Because he has two more nights, if he's town, to block a nightkill (assuming we go to night twice). So it'd force the last scum to either leave confirmed town alive in LYLO, or hit Mini's protection target and get rid of a mislynch. (Of course, this only applies if the last scum is someone other than tans or Mini, anyway.)

I'm going to mull this over. No one hammer, yet.

(Also, for the record, if Vit is scum and coasts to a win because Button breadcrumbed a fake innocent result, I am dismembering Button after the game.)

[Mina]

VitR, whenever you accused me of always thinking you were scum at Goofbash, it turned out you were actually scum! EEEEEEEK!

Also, I'm paranoid because it always turns out to be someone unexpected. We've narrowed it down to two easy-target superficially scummy players. We have two lynches left. Therefore, the scum is probably dramonic.

Mini...*sighs*

11.) Don't quote or fakequote your role PM. Don't quote any PMs from the mod. Any of these are potentially modkillable offences.

There's nothing about paraphrasing, just quoting.

I want you to do one of the following:

Option A

1) Compose a new PM, addressed to Patrick.

2) Type up a paraphrased version of your role PM. Ask him whether what you'd written counts as an acceptable paraphrase.

3) Ask Patrick why he decided to assign you that role? He will answer you. Trust me.

4) Hit Submit.

5) Wait for a reply in UK morning.

6) In the thread, post your paraphrased version of your role PM, as well as why you're a bodyguard.

Option B

1) Hang today.

====
This is annoying. Even if Mini is scum, it's probably the best strategic move to wait until LYLO to lynch him (as long as we trust the survivors not to be stupid and tunnel on someone random), and Mini forgetting his action N1 is a very nice touch of realism if it's faked (he could have just claimed to have protected Mina/Katsuki over Ether/chamber). But his claim fits the pattern of the last few pull-a-ridiculous-role-out-of-your-ass-that-makes-no-sense-flavourwise-to-save-you-from-the-lynch scumclaims.

[Mina]

All right, I have an announcement to make.

I am declaring tans obvtown and therefore untouchable for the rest of the game. (Not that that worked well with SensFan, mind you.)

All I have to do is get the OTHER townies to agree not to lynch him in LYLO before I get nightkilled. (Unfortunately, judging by how well that worked with SensFan...)

Faraday, has Reck been reading the game? I'd like him to weigh in again on whether dramonic is still town. Because to be honest, I reread dram and have lost my good feelings of him. Pretty much every stance he's made all game--the Fate vote, the Sens vote, his hopping onto tans today--looks scummy. Also, WTF, he's telling Minineko to protect Vit every night? NO, NO, NO! Mini has to flip a coin so that it's totally unexpected whom he protects. If the scum know his target, that's guaranteeing he won't save himself from a mislynch.

But see, now we can't do the Leave-Mini-Alive-on-the-Off-Chance-He-Stops-a-NK plan, because no one will agree to lynch dramonic over tanstalas today. And if we do and dramonic flips town, then I don't trust the survivors to lynch Mini over tans.

[Mina]

Nooo, I fell asleep early last night before I could hammer. I never even got a chance to post that case I wrote on Mini. It had actual scummy quotes he did and everything. Now I'll have no proof that I was onto him all along.

[Mina]

GODDAMN DRAMONIC.

HE WAS PUSHING TANS ALL DAY, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE HIMSELF TO BE DISTRACTED BY.

HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL MY CREDIT.

My case even had a wagon and connections analysis, before I started second-guessing it.

I blame Katsuki for jumping off the wagon just to do a reaction test. (Not myself for procrastinating. Not at all.)

Okay, I need to get ready for work, so smack me if you still see me posting.

[Mina]

Can we go to night just so Katsuki and I don't have to be in LYLO?

It'll do wonders for my mental health. As it is, I feel like it's our fault that Mini got lynched before getting a successful bodyguard protect.

[Mina]

I'll be virtually V/LA for the next week with work, parties, holidays, and reading fun-filled facts about sprinkler demands for rack storage. *retch* I'll try to check in on the thread, though.

Patrick: just a request, but can you post a countdown tag to the deadline after each vote count? It'd make it much easier to keep track of things.

After the Minineko fail, I've kind of lost all confidence in my reads, particularly since town was doing much better when I was absent. I know I declared tanstalas obvtown yesterday, but to be honest, he's coming across as worse than dramonic today. My problem is that I tend to assume overemotional play is innocent (see GreyICE in BotW). So tans' play could fit as craplogic AtE flailing (particularly with his self-serving "you're idiots for not calling me confirmed town, because I was on two scum lynches"), except I don't have a gut sense of when someone's faking an over-the-top reaction. (Also, tans would totally be willing to buy someone a bottle of alcohol in exchange for winning a game.) Except if it's tans, I'm going to hate myself.

To make matters worse, Katsuki thinks it's IC based on (direct quote) "vengeful claim + gut" (apparently, he didn't like Faraday's tone all game, although he didn't give examples of why). I just personally can't get past them completely flipping out after the vengeful unclaim.

...wow, the above sounds like such fence-sitting scummy bullshit. I'm sorry. Anyway, I'm going to ask questions to each of you in a separate post (since this will be LONG).

[Mina]

Questions:

@tanstalas:

1) You made an MD thread saying you were much better as scum than town. What makes scum come more naturally to you than town? What do you think your strengths and weaknesses are as scum? As town?

2) Name three things you'd have done differently this game were you scum. Name three things you'd have done differently this game were you town.

3) Why did you think Minineko looked more townish than dramonic? I'm not sure where your strong town read on him came from yesterday.

4) Why did you go from saying you thought the scum was either me or dramonic at the beginning of D6, to the scum being Irish Carbomb or dramonic in the end? It seems as though it was solely because no one else was willing to follow your suspicions of me.

5) In a past game, have you ever viciously bussed a scum partner before for town cred? Have you ever voted for a scumbuddy? Have you ever defended a scum partner?

6) Why should we clear you as scum and not IC, who was on the Blackberry and Nikanor wagons?

7) Be honest. Would you have bet a bottle of alcohol on your alignment were you scum?

==========================

@Irish Carbomb:

1) Say you were scum and faked a vengeful role. Say you were town and faked a vengeful role. I then posted that the 100% winning strategy was to lynch you to test your claim. How would you react in each situation?

(aagh...I'm going to hate myself if I caught IC by logic, but then let my gut override the evidence. Admittedly, the Fate, Kise, and TBM NKs make perfect sense for them.)

2) So both of you are known for having very accurate reads, right? Why were your top scum reads TheButtonmen, SensFan, Minineko, and tans (alignment unknown)? Why did Faraday say earlier that he was happy with his reads this game?

3) Why did you push for a Minineko hammer yesterday, rather than go along with a plan to use his bodyguard ability? Weren't you guys most suspicious of tans earlier?

4) Why didn't you mention that you thought tans was likely town for his outburst until VitaminR and I brought it up? Before then, you acted as though you thought he was scum in your interactions with him.

5) Why did you call tans' reads terrible if you thought he was scum?

6) To both of you: are you shameless and dishonest enough to have reacted the way you did to my vezok comment were you scum, in order to play to your win condition? Do you believe faking that reaction WOULD have been shameless and dishonest?

7) Faraday, why haven't you trolled or deliberately been unhelpful so as to fish for reactions this game?

8) Another one for Faraday: on D1, you answered my accusation that you looked halfhearted by saying you were apathetic to Mafia in general. Why did you not replace out or lurk in any other games you were playing at the time? Why didn't you ever tell me on AIM that you were apathetic with Mafia? Why was this something that came up miraculously out of the blue in this game?

==========================

@dramonic:

1) Why didn't you mention Nikanor while he was being wagoned?

2) Your Fate vote was terrible. Yes, I know this isn't a question. I was going to ask you why you'd voted Fate, but then I noticed that you'd explained it. It was just a bad explanation.

3) Why did you think ABR was town on the day we lynched SensFan?

4) Name three things you'd have done differently this game were you scum. Name three things you'd have done differently this game were you town.

5) Please link to an example of a big case you made on someone when you were town. Please link to an example of a big case you made on someone when you were

scum

.

6) Why are you so confident in your ability to read Faraday and Reckoner? were you willing to trust Faraday/Reckoner's read on me? Also, do you still trust them more than me?

7) Why are you so confident in your ability to read Faraday

8) Lastly, something that's been bugging me:

I posted this defending SensFan:

As someone who shares a QT with SensFan, I'll speak out against the Sens wagon. Some of his stances have frustrated me, but if he's scum, well fucking done, because he's a phenomenal actor. For example, you know when he did that random 180 on Fate on D1 and called Reck town...only to vote Reck again? I kid you not; at that time, he posted in the QT (I'm paraphrasing), "Oh, by the way, I still trust your scum read on Reck, but I'm just trying to get people to think the masons are no longer united to test for reactions." And I checked the time stamps; accounting for daylights savings time, this came BEFORE he called Fate scum. Their whole argument was scripted.Is that a silly gambit that only muddied things up and drew suspicion on himself? Well, yeah. (Sorry, Sens.) But would scum do that in a million years? I've seen scum retroactively claim something scummy they did was a gambit to test for reactions. But this way, Sens only drew negative attention to himself, without reaping the town credit. There was no scum agenda for the move.

You then posted a big case on him. Significant part:

Comes ISO 25 where Sens actually flips around and decides Fate might actually be scum! Can't blame him, Fate's stance on Reck was/is BS. Still, sayign Fate changes his mind suddenly and then Sens changing his mind suddenly is lulzy

ISO 26 is the cult recruit regretting against his leader. He's been kissing Fate's butt all game, but Fate's been apparently talking out of his ass all game. Talk about being a close listener. What Sens seems to be saying here is that Fate makes no sense as town from his perspective but he sheeped him anyway. That's pretty cool and pro-town... right?

Some antagonizing later...

Sens jumps onto Reck in ISO 29, after... wait, I thought you said 4 ISOs ago that Reck was town? Could it be... YOU CHANGED YOUR READ? But that's what scum does, by your word...

ISO 30 is Sens advising Berry not to follow Fate... (ISO 46 is Sens sinking himself)... and then he goes back to sheeping Fate, who he's been spending a while calling scum.

ISO 56 makes no sense at all. He's sheeping Fate but saying he'll vote him if the wagon picks up... what??

Basically, you make a case on Sens for having contradicted himself on Fate...which I'd already explained was confirmed in the QT to be a deliberate.

When Sens pointed out that I'd explained that you, you brushed it off with "stop hiding behind Mina."

Admittedly, Sens' response was pretty unclear, so I'd thought maybe you'd missed my post explaining that Sens was literally posting, "Guys, look, I'm going to pretend to suspect Fate to keep him alive" in the QT while he was backtracking on him.

But then I asked you if you'd seen my post on SensFan, and you responded with this:

Hey, dramonic. I'm just curious about something.

Did you ever read this post of mine?

yes. What about it?

So apparently, you saw my post...but still made a disingenuous case on Sens? Care to explain?

[Mina]

...dammit.

Just as I was leaning toward tans being the last scum, he dropped a secret LYLO towntell of mine.

This is so annoying. Everyone has done something that looks townish. Now I'm getting paranoid of IC just because everyone else in the game will kill me if they turn out to be scum and got away with claiming and retracting a vengeful claim just to save themselves from two lynches in a row. It's just that not only have they been the most overtly protown of the survivors, but I really can't believe that they'd fake that heated outburst at my wanting to lynch them. Both because it was a phenomenal acting job (I mean, come on, Faraday actually went and made a vezok scale), and because I'd honestly feel like it was a punch in the gut if it turned out they'd sunk to that level of nastiness and vitriol and emotional manipulation as scum. Maybe I'm just a softie.

Hey, Faraday, your V/LA is over. Where are you? Why haven't you posted your VCA, yet? Hey...come to think of it, when do you even LIKE VCA?

[Mina]

Yeah, I apologize to the survivors.

I'm probably going to get it wrong. Just warning you in advance. There's a reason they left us alive, after all.

...okay, feeling much better again about IC after ISO-ing them. (Also, sorry, but I forgot that ABR was one of their suspects early on.) I mean, all the references to Faraday and Reck's discussions behind the scenes, and stuff like this:

Mina you know the way you sometimes think no one gets my sense of humour?

'Are you retarded that wasn't a scumslip' >_>

I just got told that.

yeah

I thought Faraday was too overtly trying to manipulate me to be scum (the whole "vit with me"-thing would be pretty shameless) and I thought we'd lose two townies because of the vengeful.

I actually like to think this is the sort of thing I could do as scum but I'm not sure. Other people are probably in a better position to answer but I feel my meta is reasonably consistent and it's small things that seperate town faraday and scum faraday. but enough about me!

do you think abr is scum Vit?

I still want an answer to my questions, though.

[Mina]

Fair enough.

Oh, almost forgot. tanstalas, dramonic, do either of you have a role to claim?

[Mina]

Thanks. Can you please answer all my questions when you find the time?

Oh, another--what do you think of the town tells I mentioned from IC?

[Mina]

Gee,

thanks

, Katsuki. <_<

I take it you aren't very attached to your scum read on IC, to the point that I can ignore it and make my own decision, right?

Faraday, it's MYLO. Every bit of information counts in my final decision.

If you don't do what I say, I just might turn on you and lose the game for your faction. That's means I can force you guys to write aaaaaaaaall the words I want. MWAHAHAHAHA!

*cracks whip*

Dance my puppets, dance!

[Mina]

Sorry, Faraday, my fault re: #4. I forgot the timing of your unvote. And yes, I meant ABR, not Nikanor.

It couldn't hurt to post the votecounts if they're already formatted, but I'm not good with that kind of thing.

Oh, a couple more things:

I am unused to being suspected. It literally never happens in any serious capacity, or hasn't in ages, and I don't understand what I've done wrong this game that has led people to think I'm scum. It's really fucking frustrating. Well the vengeful WAS to fish for reactions, but I don't know. I think being on the back foot the whole game has probably meant i've played different. I mean even answering these questions feels weird, I wish I was obvtown enough that these questions weren't necessary

What about in

Malazan

, in which you were lynched?

Um, Mina there's stuff I want to say but I don't think I should.

Do you want me to say it anyway? It concerns the bottom of 1782.

Can you elaborate? Why didn't you want to reveal that there were holes in my plan?

FTR, here's a spoiler:

I think Irish Carbomb is town.

But it's MYLO, so I'm trying to be thorough as possible.

And no cheating. You have to wait for the GTKAS thread to be updated in three months like everyone else.

[Mina]

Oh, and Reck, do you have anything to add to Faraday's answers? (I apologize for directing most of my posts to Faraday--I just have much more experience with his meta.) Most relevant are those about your vengeful claim.

Faraday, don't you have any paranoid niggling doubts about me? Maybe I'm pulling another Malazan. Maybe you should be putting me through the ringer, too.

...Hey, I've got an idea. Let's just lynch whichever of dramonic and tanstalas is the last to give full answers to all my questions! Who's with me?

[Mina]

I could tell you...but I'd prefer to make that spoiler tag drive you mad with the pressure. What horrible thing might I have said about you behind your back? You'll never know...well, until you get to a computer. There's an invisible sword hanging over your head.

...okay, I'm sorry. No one should ever let me into a LYLO or MYLO situation again. It brings out the worst in me. I'm only torturing you because you're the only one online. You can save the actual question until you get to a computer.

This would be much easier if my actual suspects showed up.

[Mina]

EBWOP: *other questions, not actual questions.

Okay, I vow not to post for at least three hours. If you see me here, kick me out.

[Mina]

STOP INDIRECTLY REFERRING TO ONGOING GAMES ON RADIOSCUM. *slaps Irish Carbomb*

[Mina]

(note to Patrick: they didn't ACTUALLY discuss ongoing games, so don't worry, no modkills are in order.)

That said, Reck's big VCA post was useful, because tans and ABR's lone votes on each other look a lot more like distancing when you see them in context with all the major wagons going on. I'll reread the end of Day Three and beginning of Day Four to see how organically the tans vs. ABR fight originated.

(Actually, something that tipped me to Minineko over tans yesterday was how tans jumped off Nikanor to vote dramonic when there was no momentum going dram's way. Maybe I'm just thinking of MLP Mafia, in which a wagon on my buddy snowballed while I was V/LA--in that case, I stalled unvoting so I wouldn't lose my spot as first on the wagon if he flipped that day. But then again, this was AFTER DGB had unvoted Nikanor. I also saw scum do something similar recently in an off-site game, so maybe I've got the logic backwards.)

Oh, and Reck, I meant a response to how you'd have handled the vengeful claim/unclaim as scum, not to why you claimed as town. But it doesn't really matter, because at this point, you guys are pretty obvtown.

Actual responses to dram's and tanstalas's posts coming later.

[Mina]

EBWOP: just to clarify, all I meant was that the discussion of the pros and cons of VCA was awfully coincidental. I don't think it was out of line at all.

[Mina]

Am I that incomprehensible?

Okay. Say you're scum. Your buddy is getting wagoned, and you've decided to hop on.

What's the strategic purpose of then switching your vote to someone else, when you know your buddy will flip scum that day?

Originally, I'd thought tans switching to dramonic (who had no votes on him, although IIRC, someone had attacked him earlier) was a towntell. Thing is, after tans' vote, DGB switched to another wagon, so maybe tans figured the momentum against Nikanor was starting to dissipate and thought it was safe to switch his vote. Also, then I saw HT Reddy/Fell do just that in the Westeros game when his partner Manderly was wagoned--he was early on the wagon, but then started a rival mob on someone else who ended up lynched instead.

Again, I know that in MLP, I was conscious of the fact that I was first on the wagon, so I really didn't want to move my vote from inHim if I could help it. But I could also see tans thinking the coast was clear and trying to subtly dismantle the Nikanor wagon.

[Mina]

I would like to take some time to deliberate on this game since I have a few days off right now, but I'm currently leaning in one direction.

(Well, technically, the slot of Katsina is completely on the fence...because Katsuki still wants to vote Irish Carbomb. But I've decided to commandeer this hydra and completely disregard his opinion, because he should be ashamed of himself for having it. *spanks the cupcake*)

Mina.

Vote Dram or IC.

One of them is scum.

I thought you were smart when I met you at goofbash.

Please do not disappoint me

I don't think anything else needs to be said. I think you are scum. If you aren't then Dramonic is and he is getting a free ride to a win.

Well.

So you're saying you don't care WHICH of IC or dramonic I personally vote for, even if I get it wrong and lose the game, because I wouldn't be stupid unless I voted for you.

But meanwhile, you're sure that Irish Carbomb is the last scum. You're confident enough that you're actually willing to give dramonic a free ride.

Or you actually have no idea, but you've decided for arcane reasons that dramonic is the one you want to give a free ride (despite IC having put on the greater show if they were scum, IMO), and not Irish Carbomb.

...but well, hey, I wouldn't want you to think I'm

stupid

. I'm sure you would never appeal to my emotions this blatantly and unscrupulously were you scum, because you're an ethical person. I guess I'll trust you.

Say I told you I was convinced Irish Carbomb was town, and will not vote Irish Carbomb as long as I'm alive (making an IC lynch impossible today)--but that I'm actually really suspicious of dramonic for doing nothing all game and never voting a single scum.

It seems we're at an impasse. What should we do about this? Anything you can say to me to convince me which of IC and dramonic is the better option?

Are you willing to vote dramonic to avoid a no-lynch?

[Mina]

I suppose I could swing to dramonic if you voted that way. Unless you persuade me that IC is scum, I'm willing to vote anyone except for Irish Carbomb just so we can get a lynch today. I agree--I'd much rather compromise-vote someone I don't suspect as much and lose the game in MYLO than be forced to make a decision that would

potentially

lose the game in LYLO, because LYLO is so much more stressful than MYLO!

I also think It's probably more IC because IC is saying Dram is town, so I think maybe he is town and is saying he is town to try and get Dram to vote with him. Know what I mean, jellybean?

...um, except you voted for Irish Carbomb

before

he voted for you over dramonic. At that point, IC never called dramonic town, and the two heads were arguing with each other on whom to vote. And even now, he only called dramonic town in relation to you--as in, IC think you're the last scum, and not dramonic.

So basically, you think IC is scum because he suspects one person more than another person.

Why didn't you have a problem with dramonic calling IC town (which he did early in the day)? Maybe he's trying to get IC to vote you with him.

Oh, tans, by the way, IC asked you questions in that big post. Maybe you didn't notice them because they were addressed in a spoiler tag.

(By the way, thanks for that analysis, Faraday--I didn't notice dramonic's reaction to the thread closing and his interaction with Blackberry, for example. Also, I hate you for writing a content-filled wall post with much more effort put into it than one of mine so I can no longer make fun of you.)

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Spoiler:

...possibly.

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VOTE: dramonic

OMIGOD.

OH SHIT.

DID I JUST PUT DRAMONIC AT L-1?

IN A MYLO SITUATION?

WHEN FARADAY IS ONLINE?

THE TRAGEDY.

THE HORROR.

[Mina]

...Faraday, get your ass in here.

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I'm not clicking on that link.

Sorry, town. I just thought that Irish Carbomb literally could not have posted some of the things they said this game as scum.