D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[PeregrineV]

Wow, a double RVS. Who'd a thunk it?

Vote: Shadow

Happy Scum Day!!

On another note, I'm pdf-ing the first 10 pages and will then re-read them.

[PeregrineV]

Still here, but still need to look back over the first 10 pages.

[PeregrineV]

@Shadow- I received notification that day 1 started.

[PeregrineV]

But let's continue - I see you have zero focus on Wrath. What do you think of his catch-up post and subsequent reaction? Do you still think he is scum?

Yes, I still have a scum read on him. I found him suspicious pre-crash, and his posts today have been mostly empty filler that does not give me any reason to change my opinion. I simply found Fennin to be more suspicious, which is why I have focused on him more than WC. I still think you are looking to interpret any action I take in a way that fits your pre-conceived idea that WC and I are partners though. For example, if I were to
UNVOTE:
VOTE: WrathChild
...I bet you go back to calling it "distancing" between us.

Now you understand how I feel. Go back and actually read my post and then read what MoI translated that to, then read my response. No matter what I do MoI is convinced I'm scum and I'm going to spend the entire day arguing with him about and get no where because he is a more powerful poster than me. I spent a lot of time reading through the archive to just have something in thread for people (primarily myself) to read through instead of going back through the archives. I don't see how that is "empty posting". I provided a lot of insights and comments and now that the game crashed again for two weeks you all should be thankful that I posted something like that and save you a shit load of time going back through the nightmare archives... again... to get caught up. Now you can scum hunt with out wasting so much archive time. Your welcome. It will be my legacy when I die.

As far as who to lynch besides me, I would have said Fenin, but I dislike lynching people's replacements before they get to at least have a day (game) in the system.

Without going back a re-re-reading everything I would lean towards Peregrine, who has posted more content but has really said as little or less than the duddely-post-littles listed in my point 11.

With a fresh vote count, let's try this out:

Vote: Peregrine

Nice try. I haven't posted squat since the crash. I re-read the first 10 pages but then the thread closed, so I don't even remember who I suspected from before.

So, you are misrepping me in a positive light saying I "posted more content", but then vote me?
lol

Vote: WrathChild

[PeregrineV]

But let's continue - I see you have zero focus on Wrath. What do you think of his catch-up post and subsequent reaction? Do you still think he is scum?

Yes, I still have a scum read on him. I found him suspicious pre-crash, and his posts today have been mostly empty filler that does not give me any reason to change my opinion. I simply found Fennin to be more suspicious, which is why I have focused on him more than WC. I still think you are looking to interpret any action I take in a way that fits your pre-conceived idea that WC and I are partners though. For example, if I were to
UNVOTE:
VOTE: WrathChild
...I bet you go back to calling it "distancing" between us.

Now you understand how I feel. Go back and actually read my post and then read what MoI translated that to, then read my response. No matter what I do MoI is convinced I'm scum and I'm going to spend the entire day arguing with him about and get no where because he is a more powerful poster than me. I spent a lot of time reading through the archive to just have something in thread for people (primarily myself) to read through instead of going back through the archives. I don't see how that is "empty posting". I provided a lot of insights and comments and now that the game crashed again for two weeks you all should be thankful that I posted something like that and save you a shit load of time going back through the nightmare archives... again... to get caught up. Now you can scum hunt with out wasting so much archive time. Your welcome. It will be my legacy when I die.

As far as who to lynch besides me, I would have said Fenin, but I dislike lynching people's replacements before they get to at least have a day (game) in the system.

Without going back a re-re-reading everything I would lean towards Peregrine, who has posted more content but has really said as little or less than the duddely-post-littles listed in my point 11.

With a fresh vote count, let's try this out:

Vote: Peregrine

Nice try. I haven't posted squat since the crash. I re-read the first 10 pages but then the thread closed, so I don't even remember who I suspected from before.

So, you are misrepping me in a positive light saying I "posted more content", but then vote me?
lol

Vote: WrathChild

[PeregrineV]

But let's continue - I see you have zero focus on Wrath. What do you think of his catch-up post and subsequent reaction? Do you still think he is scum?

Yes, I still have a scum read on him. I found him suspicious pre-crash, and his posts today have been mostly empty filler that does not give me any reason to change my opinion. I simply found Fennin to be more suspicious, which is why I have focused on him more than WC. I still think you are looking to interpret any action I take in a way that fits your pre-conceived idea that WC and I are partners though. For example, if I were to
UNVOTE:
VOTE: WrathChild
...I bet you go back to calling it "distancing" between us.

Now you understand how I feel. Go back and actually read my post and then read what MoI translated that to, then read my response. No matter what I do MoI is convinced I'm scum and I'm going to spend the entire day arguing with him about and get no where because he is a more powerful poster than me. I spent a lot of time reading through the archive to just have something in thread for people (primarily myself) to read through instead of going back through the archives. I don't see how that is "empty posting". I provided a lot of insights and comments and now that the game crashed again for two weeks you all should be thankful that I posted something like that and save you a shit load of time going back through the nightmare archives... again... to get caught up. Now you can scum hunt with out wasting so much archive time. Your welcome. It will be my legacy when I die.

As far as who to lynch besides me, I would have said Fenin, but I dislike lynching people's replacements before they get to at least have a day (game) in the system.

Without going back a re-re-reading everything I would lean towards Peregrine, who has posted more content but has really said as little or less than the duddely-post-littles listed in my point 11.

With a fresh vote count, let's try this out:

Vote: Peregrine

Nice try. I haven't posted squat since the crash. I re-read the first 10 pages but then the thread closed, so I don't even remember who I suspected from before.

So, you are misrepping me in a positive light saying I "posted more content", but then vote me?
lol

Vote: WrathChild

Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.

Unvote.
Vote: Fennin

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: BBmolla

FoS: Midnight, WrathChild

[PeregrineV]

@MoI- Early arguments with WC made him early suspect. But less so now.

Midnight posts I didn't like are in his old ISO.

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

[PeregrineV]

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

[PeregrineV]

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

Why does it matter unless you're trying to rolefish?

A person's rolename doesn't say anything about their alignment, so it makes little sense to crumb it. The only logical reason to do so would be if scum lack confirmed fakeclaims and fakeclaim a town player's rolename, but town are unlikely to infer that to be the case, since it is against site meta.

On the other hand, crumbing one's gamerole is relevant to action claims down the line.

Iecerint thinks that is the point.

Iecerint is correct. Yoda is "good guy" in star Wars universe, so you would crumb that to cause doubt in the minds of readers.
But rolename has no bearing on alignment.

So why do it?

Hint: Scum

[PeregrineV]

@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.

[PeregrineV]

No time tonight. Maybe tomorrow after work.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, recent activity shows me that PeregrineV has made a full page of posts all over site but is dodging this thread and answering what is needed from him.

I can't stand that.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: PeregrineV

And reading of that recent activity would indicate that I am catching up thread by thread, and then attempting to stay caught up.

But, keep trying.

and yeah, there's more.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

Example: "Boba Fett, the cop" or just "Boba Fett"
Because mine is the latter, but your quote indicates it should be the former which is why I'm so confused.

Let's start with this.

I have a role name.

Now, why do you want to make sure that we know you are Yoda? Given mod rule #4, help me understand the mentality of breadcrumbing ANYTHING.

You can do this by convincing me that had you had the role DARTH VADER, you would have bread-crumbed it also.

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

4.) Flavor-

Obviously this game is based on the theme Star Wars but this game is not based on a specific movie.

With that said, any character is available as a role from films 1-6 and no character is indicative of alignment. Darth Vader could be town!

[PeregrineV]

[...]Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.

Unvote.
Vote: Fennin

I don't like people just throwing names around... Doesn't offer much of a read and looks a lot like alibi posting (Hey, look, I don't explain them but I

have

reads!)

I think I can agree on a

FoS Per

by now. I find his posting irritatingly non-yielding for quite a while now... (not that I could remember a lot of what he's posted, but that alone is pretty telling I guess)

I explained them in the first pages that are archived. Go read them.

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

And what exactly do you expect?! A full claim? Stop the role fishing.

I think I made it clear in the post above.
I look forward to your colonoscopy of BBMolla for this

Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.

??! What would you need 4 browsers for?! Actually... What?! The?! Heck?!?! are you even talking about?!

1. Chrome to go to the website.
2. Unzip software (technically a window, but meh)
3. IE window because I can't get the archive to open/work in Chrome
4. Chrome for the current game thread.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

@Peregrine

– You need to answer this in your next post!

Shadow will be dancing on your ass for this. Stop the rolefishing!

[PeregrineV]

Done with quoting.

@WrathChild- Nice ISO of me. Second tier means that the early scumbells you caused to clang aren;t as loud now as they were ealier in the day. But, others disagree with me.

@Slandaar- Why am I more "obvious" than anyone else? Wrathchild for instance?

@Schmugen- 334 (Look over WC case) 336 (Slandaar vote). Explain please.

@Wrath 366- MoI has been grumbling for pages. You are not "the first".

@Briz- Can you sum up WC's case? In your own words.

@Shadow (371)- You seem to indicate that Slandaar is scummy, but so am I? Are we scum together?

[PeregrineV]

Oh that's right, PV is rolefishing this game, I forgot.

And this is in response too....?

Oh yeah, and this too:

Now, why do you want to make sure that we know you are Yoda?

Given mod rule #4, help me understand the mentality of breadcrumbing ANYTHING.

You can do this by convincing me that had you had the role DARTH VADER, you would have bread-crumbed it also.

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

4.) Flavor-

Obviously this game is based on the theme Star Wars but this game is not based on a specific movie.

With that said, any character is available as a role from films 1-6 and no character is indicative of alignment. Darth Vader could be town!

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: PeregrineV

His rolefishing is fake scumhunting, there is no town reason to pursue that thing specifically this much.

I'll say it again. In a theme game, certain characters have connotations of good and bad. The mod even says that even though a character is good or bad in the star wars universe, it has no bearing on their alignment this game.

However, despite that, Fenrin breadcrumbed Yoda, who is a good guy in the star wars universe.

Given that the mod stated that a characters goodness/badness in the star wars universe is not relevant to this game, what is the town motivation to breadcrumb?
What is the scum motivation?

Now, I will answer.

The town motivation is none, since your claim will be believed or disbelieved on the merits of your play at the time you actually make the claim.

The scum motivation is that because the character is a good guy in the star wars universe, you will breadcrumb the good guy role in the hopes that come claim time, you can point back and say, "see, I'm Yoda, a good guy! I hinted back in post 1!" hoping that that will weigh more in the mind of the audience than the mod's admonition that it has no bearing on alignment in this game.

Does this make sense? If not, explain how you are confused and I will try and clear it up for you.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, aside from the breadcrumb thing, what do you think about the rest of the Fennin/BB slot's play?

Meh. Fennin was barely tipping the nullscummy scales.
My games with BBMolla have both been me=town and him =scum, so I'm keeping my eye on him. The breadcrumb thing is probably one of those MD discussions.

[PeregrineV]

PV I have a question for you

what is the town motivation for posting pretty much nothing in a month before a wagon starts on you at which point you decide to try and contribute?

Since this is a "How long have you been pregnant? type question, I'll divy it up for you.

what is the town motivation for posting pretty much nothing in a month before a wagon starts on you?

My personal motivation is work, family beats mafia. And three votes or whatever in a large game isn't a wagon, it's three votes.

what is the town motivation...at which point you decide to try and contribute?

To catch scum.

[PeregrineV]

@MoI (re breadcrumbing) saying it doesn't make it true, and all you've done it said it. Through the whys in there and I'll listen.

@BBmolla- no, thats just plain outguessing the mod. He's a 900 year old muppet. And, all scum is on the same team, esp without flips. Why would I think there are 2 teams? And why only two, why not three? And why does it sound like you are trying to confirm a single team?

@Shadow-I did. And you attacking one player for something but not attacking when another player does it is still scummy.

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

[PeregrineV]

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

"I don't want you to claim. I find the fact that you're not claiming to explain your breadcrumb unsatisfactory."

Yoda
SuperMuppet
Each night, you kill every scum player and win the game for town.

Yoda
Oldest Jedi
Vanilla

No matter your role, WHY CRUMB AS TOWN?

"I want to scare mafia with my awesomeness cause I'm Yoda"



I've already said that I'd take this up in MD after the game.

My opinion is don't claim.

But, you do what you think is best.

[PeregrineV]

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

"I don't want you to claim. I find the fact that you're not claiming to explain your breadcrumb unsatisfactory."

Yoda
SuperMuppet
Each night, you kill every scum player and win the game for town.

Yoda
Oldest Jedi
Vanilla

No matter your role, WHY CRUMB AS TOWN?

"I want to scare mafia with my awesomeness cause I'm Yoda"



I've already said that I'd take this up in MD after the game.

My opinion is don't claim.

But, you do what you think is best.

[PeregrineV]

For you slow people, the most likely plan was like this(I haven't reread, so I'm just pulling this out of my ass.)

1. Breadcrumb Yoda
2. Have mafia notice because TOWN SHOULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS
3. Have mafia oanic "Omg he claimed yoda he must be powerful, kill him"
4. No night kill
5. Claim?

Probably some shit like that.

If 2, then who noticed it? Someone posted something that got Fenrin excited.

[PeregrineV]

The fact that only BB has bothered to comment on Peregrine’s slip makes me go hmmmm…

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I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum.

Now I have to put you in the Scum pool also Shmugen …

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there is a difference between scum tone and town tone.

scum have more of a 'lynch this scum' tendencies throughout their posts while town have more 'is this scum' tendencies.

not liking how BBmolla tries to paint PV as a rolefisher. peregrine was clearly speculating on why someone would lead D1 with an obvious breadcrumb, nothing to do with actual role information.

Moving Anxiety into my scum pool for this post.

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Meh. Fennin was barely tipping the nullscummy scales.
My games with BBMolla have both been me=town and him =scum, so I'm keeping my eye on him. The breadcrumb thing is probably one of those MD discussions.

Other than the breadcrumbing (which you suggest is a MD issue and thus possibly not a scum-tell) what about Fennin’s play said he was barely null? I don’t see anything in your ISO other than the breadcrumb element.

Well, he was null becasue nothing stands out. At some point, someone said something and he comes out and says, look I breadcrumbed my role.
Me: "Why would you do that?"
MoI: Here's why

@MoI (re breadcrumbing) saying it doesn't make it true, and all you've done it said it. Through the whys in there and I'll listen.

If you were Town you’d have considered the whys and understood that stating them was anti-Town. Now that BBMolla has claimed I’ll actually say them –

1. VT player with a ‘Big Theme Name’ breadcrumbs said name as a means to draw a Nightkill / Block and help out Town power-roles.

So here you are saying that, using this logic, town Emperor Palantine should be breadcrumbing his ass off. You know, big theme name and all.

2. Players with Nightkill / Targetting immunity seeking to also draw Nightkill / Blocks / other scum powers for the same reason as 1.

So, he could have merely said "I'll take care of that tonight" if he wanted to "draw the NK". But that's NOT what he did.

3. Drawing out scum-bags who aren’t thinking on a Town basis.

Since I don't agree with your 1, and and think your 2 is weak, I disagree. If I thought he was all townie and scary and shit as scum, I'd just NK his ass, not muck it all up in the thread.

Possibly Fennin was trying 2, but clearly it also applied to 3 since it netted you.

@BBMolla- No one wants you claim. And I find your crumbing excuse lacking.

I don’t want you to claim but I’ll just keep repeating that I don’t find your explanations reasonable unless you claim …

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW

No matter what I say your going to interpret it the way YOU want and then try to attribute it to me?
PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW


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Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

1. Please indicate how Information roles are not considered ‘Powerful’ and important to Town in your thinking.
2. He was Town up until a scum read of yours pushed him to claim and now you don’t know? Please explain how that makes any sense.

He's probably scum.

[PeregrineV]

Hey BB, care to respond to my last post? Fennin's past scumminess and the breadcrumb thing aside, I have pointed out objective flaws in your claim.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill.

The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods.

You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I don't know exactly why, but this post really bugs me, particularly the bolded. It's not quite a slip, but I just don't feel that town would say this in the manner you did. I'm keeping an eye on Shmugen in the event BB flips scum.

I say a lot of things in 'odd' ways, and believe you me, I almost wish I was scum. I think BB was one of the more powerful assets town had and he's completely outed himself due to a pretty miserable assumption he based on flavor rather than game mechanics. I'm sure the scum are incredulous at their luck. On the small off chance BB is scum, I'll feel stupid, but I doubt he'll see the morning. I do believe that there are force users and non-force users among the scum, and BB is just too dangerous to leave alive for the scum with his ability to force someone to target him.

Hmmmmmm. This and the one before sends bells clanging.
Basically claiming anything about how kills can be made before they are made indicates inside knowledge. And your not only doing that, your expressing multiple kill types?

[PeregrineV]

Blame PeregrineV.

I've posted all that I was told except for my win condition, which indicates I'm town but does not explicitly say it.

PeregrineV is a fucker, except he said to not claim (making him not a fucker):

My opinion is don't claim.

So, the blame is yours, now my question is is it real or is it fake?

[PeregrineV]

@Shadow-I did. And you attacking one player for something but not attacking when another player does it is still scummy.

First of: Scummy is not

what

some one does but the

motivation

behind it and

how

they do it. It seems somehow en vogue in current site meta (or at least among way too many players) to get confused about that, but that's why so much outrageous stuff happens in games and why it's so absolutely boring and unchalenging to play scum right now (p.e. Driving Mafia).

I already pointed out that Magna's question was not rolefishing, it was a question that was clearly aimed at getting confirmable information, but would have not revealed any useful information to scum. This is in harsh contrast to what you have been doing very recently and successfully and you better answer Magna's question and some others to convince us that what you are doing has any merits.

You better back this up.

Where did I say I wanted BBMolla's claim/role/powers/ability/mother's maiden name/anything whatsoever?

Where was I asked to claim my role/powers/abilities/name of favorite elementary school teacher/anything whatsoever?

[PeregrineV]

I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied.

Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

Hey Shmugen … care to explain the bolded for me?

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves.

Please give me your credintials that indicate you have extensive experience balancing games here on MS to make such a statement.

1. I do not understand well why people think PV is scum. I believe he may be town, but I am not opposed to changing my mind on this point later in the game. I would much rather lynch Slandaar than PV.

2. I have no experience balancing games here on MS. I think the reason games require review to be played are to catch large holes that the designer may have missed. I refuse to believe that the designer and however many reviewers the game had all missed that Yoda was unkillable. Now, bulletproof is a viable role, but to assume that a combination of powers on a single character would make someone bulletproof on day 1 without that being the stated intent of the role seems insane to me.

@PV: I always attempt to think of the possibilities. When BB claimed to be unkillable, I looked for flaws in his idea and came forward with the most likely conclusion. I am aware this walks a somewhat fine line between regular play and outguessing the mod.

In a serious way. Ewoks use spears and rocks to kill, but you never mentioned that. You speculated on scum changing their kill-type.

Do you see the difference?

[PeregrineV]

I do not. In case the confusion was due to my explanation, let me try once more. Let us hypothesize there are 4 scum. Scum A and B have force-related kill flavors that BB may have been immune to, and scum C and D have kill flavors that are not force-related. By claiming, BB has eliminated the chance that scums A or B would attempt to kill him tonight and he would instead be targeted by C or D.

Why speculate scum has two? Why not one for each player?

Pre-speculating before ANYTHING points to it still seems to indicate inside knowledge.

[PeregrineV]

This isn't as ridiculous as you are trying to make it sound. If you had simply said, "I know why, but I'd have to claim", there wouldn't be an issue. However, you used the words "fullclaim" and "all". That's pretty much my point here.

Nope, there would be an issue, because you'd say "WAIT YOU HAVE NO ROLE NAME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CLAIM? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY CLAIM YOUR POWERS? BOTCHED FAKE CLAIM GG WP NO RE"

MoI I love you, you're like a glimpse of sanity within this game.

Shmugen remember that my immunity to blaster fire is an active. So it only works if I don't use force pull.

Did you find out what caused Fenrin to spill his guts?

[PeregrineV]

Peegrine, are you really serious? All that you have to provide is specualtion with abysmal logic about why some one crumbed on page 1?
In your next post I want to hear something else from you.

What else did you consider scummy in this game?

Who else than BB is possible scum ion your eyes?

Oh, and please, every one else stop the useless setup speculation too. None of us has nearly enough information to judge plausibility of any claims at the moment and I'd prefer to keep it this way, everything else will just help scum.

Hi, hasdf...

Your attribution of scum motives to me and town motives to others for the same activity.

BB might be scum, I haven't decided yet. Still suspicious of WC, you, Shmugen, Slandaar (just because), and most of the minimalist posters.

[PeregrineV]

For you slow people, the most likely plan was like this(I haven't reread, so I'm just pulling this out of my ass.)

1. Breadcrumb Yoda
2. Have mafia notice because TOWN SHOULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS
3. Have mafia oanic "Omg he claimed yoda he must be powerful, kill him"
4. No night kill
5. Claim?

Probably some shit like that.

If 2, then who noticed it? Someone posted something that got Fenrin excited.

What about the plan you inherited/figured out?

[PeregrineV]

So unless it's on page 5 or 7, here is the first mention I find.

Post #211 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Just lost a message I was typing and I'm pissed so I'll do without the quotes WC & Ooba.

WC : I didn't think it was a slip, I took it as a joke. But I agree that it you think someone slipped, you have to put some pressure. I admit that my read on you is harsh, you don't deserve to be my top scumread right now. Still, it felt a little bit forced.

Ooba : I have a leaning town read on Andrius, yes. It's my first impression, but he didn't post much. Leaning town doesn't mean strong town read.

Slandaar : So you still don't get it ? Here it is. (I'll have to quote on this)

In post 23, Fennin wrote:I'm awesome because I'm the one who got that avatar idea going

Done!
Alright then, Malee does that mean I'm scum?
Got to use the power our mod gives us, don't you think? :p
On the other hand, I agree that it can quickly become flood.
But that's why I'm using it now instead of later when it will get more serious.µ
And may I ask what your avatar was?
Hell yeah! let's get this game started.

In post 88, Malee wrote:By the way, I've at least seen 2 or 3 character breadcrumbs. What's the point of doing that since alignments are random and not based on the show movies?

[PeregrineV]

@BB you should have left it alone right here:

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.

that was plenty....

If so, ask Peregrine why he kept fishing.

"Why did you do A" is not the same as "what can you do?", and you know it.
And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).
Once you've done all that, get back to me.

[PeregrineV]

And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).

Scum caring are the people who kept making it an issue (like yourself).

My vote is in a good place.

Uh, no.

[PeregrineV]

I flip town. What are Peregrine and Shmugen?

Town and dunno.

[PeregrineV]

@WC- Thanks for that. I'm not scum, I'm cheeky scum? Uh, no.

Re: Slandaar takes a long time for me to read. He multi-posts alot, which I need to read him, but I haven't locked him in as either scum or town yet.

Re: SleepyCow (see what I did there?) -The first post doesn't say anything about the BBMolla claim, which is been one of the hottest topics. And for what all that has gone on both pre-crash and post, the entry was lacking. I figured it was only me, but if others are seeing *something* then I'm not alone.

@syndrome- gut scum coming in, but has hit it spot on with MoI. I usually find MoI opinionated, but syndrome has made points beyond that. His response to syndrome will say alot.

Re: WC case- anyone calling Wrathchild scum, can you point me to your reasons?

@Briz- Honestly, I expected him to tell the truth, not go batshit ape crazy and claim. This is a forum game. If you get that upset, take a walk and come back when you're calmer. And while I'm still out overall on BBMolla, I don;t want to lynch him today.

Unvote.
Vote: hasdgfas

[PeregrineV]

@WC- Thanks for that. I'm not scum, I'm cheeky scum? Uh, no.

Re: Slandaar takes a long time for me to read. He multi-posts alot, which I need to read him, but I haven't locked him in as either scum or town yet.

Re: SleepyCow (see what I did there?) -The first post doesn't say anything about the BBMolla claim, which is been one of the hottest topics. And for what all that has gone on both pre-crash and post, the entry was lacking. I figured it was only me, but if others are seeing *something* then I'm not alone.

@syndrome- gut scum coming in, but has hit it spot on with MoI. I usually find MoI opinionated, but syndrome has made points beyond that. His response to syndrome will say alot.

Re: WC case- anyone calling Wrathchild scum, can you point me to your reasons?

@Briz- Honestly, I expected him to tell the truth, not go batshit ape crazy and claim. This is a forum game. If you get that upset, take a walk and come back when you're calmer. And while I'm still out overall on BBMolla, I don;t want to lynch him today.

Unvote.
Vote: hasdgfas

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I like how he's going "oh, other people think this? I guess I'm allowed to also." Lynch please.

Hey, cool, since you're here, thoughts on BBMolla claim, syndrome post on MoI and WrathChild pros and cons.

[PeregrineV]

And I am fully against any wagoning of WC

that wagon needs to disperse and fast

PV wagons ok

But no more are we lynching WC or me today

so you scumbags need to move your votes to shmugen/SD/Nexus/Magna

and maybe PV if you can give good reasons

PV wagon not ok, since I'm town.

PV can also move his vote to me thereby cancelling any effect my vote has

Why would I vote you when your confirmed town?

Slandaar, you sadden me. Your 1-shot abilities could have really helped and instead you blew them on a 'trap' and acted obtuse all day.

Unvote

VOTE: PeregrineV

As for MoI, the idea of him being scum seems feasible, but if so, he's stellar at making scum MoI look like town MoI. He's certainly not a day 1 lynch for me. I like the majority of my company on the Peregrine wagon.

Thank you for placing your 2nd vote in the game on myself. Considering your reads, etc. you have provided day1 and my alignment this game, I'll consider this a scum claim.

With Salandaar off the table, I think Peregrine is scummier than WC.

UNVOTE: ooba
VOTE: PeregrineV

While he brought up some good points about Fennin/BBmolla, I don't think his motivation came from a town perspective. Had I been playing from the beginning, I think I would have left the breadcrumb alone until more info came to light.

Thank you for placing

your

2nd vote in the game on myself. Considering your reads, etc. you have provided day1 and my alignment this game, I'll consider this a scum claim.

How they hell did you guys manage to mirror each other, including your ISOs? It's scumtasitcal!

@Slandaar- I'll not lynch BBmolla or WC today, however I'll let you pick between Shmugen, splitfarvl, or MoI.
Nexus just seems to be your choice for his tunneling on you so far, because his posts are mostly null to me.
Shadow is being replaced, so I'll give the replacer a chance to contribute.

[PeregrineV]

Bah. Indecisiveness be darned, it's sheeping time.
VOTE: WrathChild

Vote the Cow.

Anyways, it's claim or die, or claim and die, so I at least get it out there.

And also becasue of my name.

I'm COUNT DOOKU. And I know how it's pronounced, but c'mon. We all know what it sounds like.


Anyways, my primary ability is force lightning. It lights people up, letting other visitors "follow" them the next time that person is visited.

[PeregrineV]

Are they lit permanently, or only on the n+1th night?

Only the next night.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, further clarification:

N1: Peregrine targets Iec
N2: No one targets Iec
N3: MoI targets Iec

Does MoI get follower factz?

Yes, but it doesn't start until N2 in your example.

[PeregrineV]

PV I am not sure I believe your claim

did you crumb it anywhere?

No, since I really don't know who he is. I know the old shows Star Wars-Empire-Return, but the first/second three are kind of a blur.

And I thought I was the 4armed dude,


but I'm an old man.

[PeregrineV]

~No lynch occurs if a lynch is not established by 10:00 P.M. central time.~

I thought it was a deadline lynch.

Ah well, what can you do.

[PeregrineV]

Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.

Thoughts on WC and Kdub?

And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?

[PeregrineV]

~No lynch occurs if a lynch is not established by 10:00 P.M. central time.~

I thought it was a deadline lynch.

Ah well, what can you do.

No, not oh well. Might as well vote day 1 no Lynch peregrine. The op specifically said vote leader is lynched. I'm 95% certain. Please someone go back and check the archive. I can't from phone. Day 1 no lynch is awful.

PS Nero. I'd still vote cow. But I'm still, like I was last time stuck until people get off my wagon.

I'm talking about the claim. If it was a no lynch, I wouldn't have claimed.

[PeregrineV]

I'm back. By my math, we have 15 minutes. Disappointed to hear about the rule change about lynch deadline. I'm a little happier with a PeregrineV wagon after his ease at not having a lynch.

Unvote

VOTE: PV

No.
Explained above.

[PeregrineV]

Got to be a better lynch than Chewie.

Unvote.

But to hear him growl..

Vote: HasCow

Unvote

.

[PeregrineV]

Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

Show me the case I pushed on BBmolla=scum. All I did was ask a question and expect an honest answer.

Thoughts on WC and Kdub?

And why would you consider syndrome lynch at all?

@Shadow- Look, questions to you.

[PeregrineV]

What PV specifically did was keep pushing on BB after the claim. While powers are not indicative of alignment, I think at this point the early breadcrumbing from Fennin was a dumb mistake or just for fun rather than scum trying to influence town. The way BB's claim rolled out and how BB handled all that is what changed my mind on the breadcrumbing being scummy. Now, BB claims a power that is advantageous to town and is testable, and PV still wants him dead today.

Shadow has the same misrep. Please point this out, since you have claimed it happened.

[PeregrineV]

I'm feeling like this game is mostly town talking. As even a generic townie has a blaster shot at night, they would be here trying to pinpoint who to shoot/not shoot. The only people who have no need to do this, really, are scum. They already know who they are, and they only have to post to keep up appearances. I'll be looking to the lurkers for scum to be in.

For now, since he's STILL voting town-confirmed,

vote: Andrius

[PeregrineV]

So, since I'm town and have no actual knowledge to go off of, I won't bother with any last minute reads, since they are not backed by fact and become more worthless as more info is gained. You can iso my shit for that.

Instead, let's break down my fabulous "better lynch town than not lynch town" wagon.

Riding me for as long as they've had the ability to vote

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1, splitfarvle, Shadow Dancer
Best to compare their overall contribution as a ratio of time spent on me. Not just vote, but total discussion time. Out of 20 players, I should be 7% of the discussion, approximately. Even if each player narrows focus to only 5 others, I should be ~20% of the discussion. If I am 50% or more of their post totals, chances are they are scum who are tunneling so they don't have to actually scumhunt.

[sarcasm]Saving the day with the last-minute vote [/sarcasm]sarcasm

- kdub, MoI, Shmugen, Iecerint, Nero Cain
Both town and scum do this. But, also compare this to the "I don't have to vote" deadline lynch that would have occurred 48 hours ago. Did they move then? If not, why were they willing to let me die without committing, but are forced to now. My lynch moves scum one step closer to winning. They had to work this time, instead of lazing their way through a town death.
Also , check post mix as above. Are they interacting and trying for reads, or riding the wave?

rebels who didn't vote me

-Ooba, Andrius, syndromeofadown, 4nxi3ty,
Off the wagon, why?
Also, check post content mix. Are they interacting across the board, or not?

Town

Slandaar. Good luck man

[PeregrineV]

heh.
Dooku.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: PeregrineV
Town's decision.
Am I too late?

Your 12 of 11, so town points=Zero.

[PeregrineV]

DOOKU!!!!

[PeregrineV]

DOOKU

heh